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Author Topic: Everyone has an equal right to "be," but NOT an equal right to be--"somewhere"?  (Read 31052 times)
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« on: January 27, 2011, 11:04:31 AM »

As many of you know, I've long argued that, while each of us has an exclusive right to the fruits of his or her own labor, all of us have an equal right of access to land -- a "right" being, in the words of Michael Badnarik, "something you can do without asking for permission" -- and that the only just and practical way to uphold both rights is to, as Henry George put it, "abolish all taxation save that upon land values."

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Now, what has always puzzled me is that the "conservative" types who usually rail hysterically against the notion that the economic rent of land should be treated as common property are usually the same ones who insist that abortion is wrong because it violates the "right to life."

Yet if, as they blindly insist, a mere subset of the population can rightfully assert exclusive, unconditional "ownership" of the earth on which all must live yet which none produced (and thereby privately appropriate its socially-created rental value), then on what basis can it be logically argued that those without land titles have a "right" to life?

In other words, since access to a naturally-occurring geographic position on the globe (i.e., to "land") is a universal precondition to life itself, how can all of us have a right to "be" if only some of us have (by virtue of land titles) a right to be -- "somewhere"?

Before answering the above poll question, please read the following:

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"When men have equal rights to a thing, as for instance, to the rooms and appurtenances of a club of which they are members, each has a right to use all or any part of the thing that no other one of them is using. It is only where there is use or some indication of use by one of the others that even politeness dictates such a phrase as 'Allow me!' or 'If you please!'

"But where men have joint rights to a thing, as for instance, to a sum of money held to their joint credit, then the consent of all the others is required for the use of the thing or of any part of it, by any one of them.

"Now, the rights of men to the use of land are not joint rights; they are equal rights.

"Were there only one man on earth, he would have a right to the use of the whole earth or any part of the earth.

"When there is more than one man on earth, the right to the use of land that any one of them would have, were he alone, is not abrogated: it is only limited. The right of each to the use of land is still a direct, original right, which he holds of himself, and not by the gift or consent of the others; but it has become limited by the similar rights of the others, and is therefore an equal right. His right to the use of the earth still continues; but it has become, by reason of this limitation, not an absolute right to use any part of the earth, but (1) an absolute right to use any part of the earth as to which his use does not conflict with the equal rights of others (i.e., which no one else wants to use at the same time), and (2) a coequal right to the use of any part of the earth which he and others may want to use at the same time.

"It is, thus, only where two or more men want to use the same land at the same time that equal rights to the use of land come in conflict, and the adjustment of society becomes necessary.

"If we keep this idea of equal rights in mind--the idea, namely, that the rights are the first thing, and the equality merely their limitation--we shall have no difficulty. It is through forgetting this that Mr. [Herbert] Spencer has been led into confusion."

-- Henry George, A Perplexed Philosopher, pp. 27-28


"Men must have rights before they can have equal rights. Each man has a right to use the world....The equality of this right is merely a limitation arising from the presence of others with like rights. Society, in other words, does not grant, and cannot equitably withhold from any individual, the right to the use of land. That right exists before society and independently of society, belonging at birth to each individual, and ceasing only with his death. Society itself has no original right to the use of land....The function of society with regard to the use of land only begins where individual rights clash, and is to secure equality between these clashing rights of individuals."

-- Henry George, A Perplexed Philosopher, p. 30


"The dry superficial area of the earth being the only medium through which external nature becomes accessible to man; being not merely his only foothold and resting-place, but also the means through which he obtains access to all the matter which he, through the exercise of his faculties, changes into objects fit to satisfy his desires and maintain his life,--it follows that freedom to use the earth is the indispensable condition for the exercise of man's faculties and the maintenance of his life. Hence the right to the use of the earth is a natural right, the denial of which involves the denial of the right to the exercise of any faculty, that is, the denial of the right to live.

"The right of any one to the exercise of his faculties being limited only by the equal right of every one else, the exercise of any faculty being dependent upon the use of the earth, it follows that the right of any one to use the earth is limited only by the equal right of every one else. The natural right to the use of the earth, therefore, is an equal right, inherent in all. If there were only one man upon this earth he would obviously be free to use the whole earth; the right of any second man to do the like must be equal to that of the former. Nor can further multiplication bring about any change in this relation. Of all the millions inhabiting the earth to-day, each is free to use the whole earth or any part of it, provided he infringes not the equal right of any other man. And conversely, it is equally true that no one of them may so use the earth as to prevent any other from similarly using it. For to do so implies a claim to greater opportunities for the exercise of his faculties than others can enjoy....

"No arrangements made, even with the consent of all living men, can deprive any member of any future generation of his or her equal rights to the use of the earth. Likewise no arrangements made by past generations, even if all their members had consented to them, can deprive any one now living of his equal right. For every such arrangement, if enforced, would offend against the law of equal freedom, would deprive some of their right to an equal opportunity for the exercise of their faculties and the maintenance of their lives."

-- Max Hirsch, Democracy versus Socialism, pp. 228-9


"Place one hundred men on an island from which there is no escape, and whether you make one of these men the absolute owner of the other ninety-nine, or the absolute owner of the soil of the island, will make no difference either to him or to them.

"In the one case, as the other, the one will be the absolute master of the ninety-nine--his power extending even to life and death, for simply to refuse them permission to live upon the island would be to force them into the sea.

"Upon a larger scale, and through more complex relations, the same cause must operate in the same way and to the same end--the ultimate result, the enslavement of laborers, becoming apparent just as the pressure increases which compels them to live on and from land which is treated as the exclusive property of others. Take a country in which the soil is divided among a number of proprietors, instead of being in the hands of one, and in which, as in modern production, the capitalist has been specialized from the laborer, and manufacturers and exchange, in all their many branches, have been separated from agriculture. Though less direct and obvious, the relations between the owners of the soil and the laborers will, with the increase of population and the improvement of the arts, tend to the same absolute master on the one hand and the same abject helplessness on the other, as in the case of the island we have supposed. Rent will advance, while wages will fall."

-- Henry George, Progress and Poverty, pp. 347-8


"We do not propose to assert equal rights to land by keeping land common, letting any one use any part of it at any time. We do not propose the task, impossible in the present day of society, of dividing land in equal shares; still less the yet more impossible task of keeping it so divided.

"We propose--leaving land in the private possession of individuals, with full liberty on their part to give, sell or bequeath it--simply to levy on it for public uses a tax that shall equal the annual value of the land itself, irrespective of the use made of it or the improvements on it....We would accompany this tax on land values with the repeal of all taxes now levied on the products and processes of industry--which taxes, since they take from the earnings of labor, we hold to be infringements of the right of property."

-- Henry George, The Condition of Labor, p. 8


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« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2011, 12:34:05 PM »

Is there anyone in this forum who agrees with the following excerpt from the Constitution Party Platform?

    We affirm the God-given legal personhood of all human beings from fertilization to natural death, without exception. The first duty of the law is to protect innocent life, created in the image of God. No government may legalize the taking of life without justification. Legalizing the termination of innocent life of the born or unborn, whether by abortion, infanticide, euthanasia or suicide, is a direct violation of their unalienable right to life.



If so, what are your thoughts on the issue raised above?
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« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2011, 01:01:55 PM »

No, I don't agree with the CP's statement there. Much as I dislike abortion, I suspect if you reformed both the healthcare and education sectors the rate would drop on its own (mainly because teens would be more mindful of the consequences of pregnancy). The single tax\social credit combination would also cause this, because unlike the current welfare system, it does not create an incentive to have a herd of children for the extra money.
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« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2011, 12:35:26 PM »

No, I don't agree with the CP's statement there. Much as I dislike abortion, I suspect if you reformed both the healthcare and education sectors the rate would drop on its own (mainly because teens would be more mindful of the consequences of pregnancy).

Regardless of whether the abortion rate goes up or down, the question remains as to how the equal right to life can be reconciled with the unequal right to land. I, of course, am convinced that it can't be reconciled, which would explain why "pro-lifers" are always so reluctant to address this issue.
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« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2011, 02:11:44 PM »

Regardless of whether the abortion rate goes up or down, the question remains as to how the equal right to life can be reconciled with the unequal right to land. I, of course, am convinced that it can't be reconciled, which would explain why "pro-lifers" are always so reluctant to address this issue.

As I'm sure you know, I've already posted in support of the single tax on numerous occasions, so it's obvious that we're both in agreement here. It's a shame nobody else has responded to your question though...
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« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2011, 02:28:06 PM »

the question remains as to how the equal right to life can be reconciled with the unequal right to land. I, of course, am convinced that it can't be reconciled, which would explain why "pro-lifers" are always so reluctant to address this issue.

Of course you're right.  But the reason some[quantify] self-described pro-lifers hold these seemingly contradictory positions is that they aren't being sincere.  The "pro-life" banner, for some[quantify] people, is not a moral position but an insincere argument used to get what they really want - more State control over women, for example.  Since an anti-geolibertarian stance (or 'pro-war' stance, as another example) doesn't conflict with this unexpressed desire, there is no contradiction.  They're unwilling to discuss it because they would be revealing their true motives for their stated "pro life" position.
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« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2011, 08:05:08 AM »

As I'm sure you know, I've already posted in support of the single tax on numerous occasions, so it's obvious that we're both in agreement here.

On the tax issue, yes, but I suspect we may not entirely agree on abortion, since I agree with Alex that third trimester abortions should be strictly prohibited (since by that point the "choice" on whether to have a "child" or not has, for all practical purposes, already been made). First trimester abortions, however, are still a grey issue for me -- particularly when there's rape involved.
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« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2011, 08:11:09 AM »

Of course you're right.  But the reason some [quantify] self-described pro-lifers hold these seemingly contradictory positions is that they aren't being sincere.  The "pro-life" banner, for some [quantify] people, is not a moral position but an insincere argument used to get what they really want - more State control over women, for example.

That may be true of certain people who espouse the pro-life position, but my poll question was directed not at them but at the millions of people whose pro-life stance is based purely upon the moral belief that abortion violates the "right to life."
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« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2011, 08:42:44 AM »

On the tax issue, yes, but I suspect we may not entirely agree on abortion, since I agree with Alex that third trimester abortions should be strictly prohibited (since by that point the "choice" on whether to have a "child" or not has, for all practical purposes, already been made). First trimester abortions, however, are still a grey issue for me -- particularly when there's rape involved.

I think if there has to be a law either way on it, ~25 weeks seems a reasonable limit. Personally, I wouldn't expect a partner to have an abortion under any circumstances, but of course being male ultimately I am not the one making the decision...
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« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2011, 09:45:12 AM »

That may be true of certain people who espouse the pro-life position, but my poll question was directed not at them but at the millions of people whose pro-life stance is based purely upon the moral belief that abortion violates the "right to life."

I question how sincere those professed moral beliefs are, for many of them.

See: "The only moral abortion is MY abortion"

There can be a big difference between what people say they believe, and what they actually believe - especially when their stated beliefs are put to the ultimate test.
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« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2011, 10:49:06 AM »

I question how sincere those professed moral beliefs are, for many of them.

See: "The only moral abortion is MY abortion"

There can be a big difference between what people say they believe, and what they actually believe - especially when their stated beliefs are put to the ultimate test.

True, but then hypocrisy isn't uncommon in general.

I guess I was lucky enough to meet someone who was sincere in her beliefs, but that's a rare occurence in my experience.
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Thy Kingdom Come

By Henry George

A sermon delivered in the City Hall, Glasgow, Scotland, Sunday April 28, 1889, under the auspices of the Henry George Institute, and afterwards circulated extensively in tract form by the Scottish Land Restoration League.

WE have just joined in the most solemn, the most sacred, the most catholic of all prayers: “Our Father which art in Heaven!” To all of us who have learned it in our infancy, it oft calls up the sweetest and most tender emotions. Sometimes with feeling, sometimes as a matter of course, how often have we repeated it! For centuries, daily, hourly, has that prayer gone up. “Thy kingdom come!” Has it come? Let this Christian city of Glasgow answer—Glasgow, that was to “Flourish by the preaching of the Word.” “Thy kingdom come!” Day after day, Sunday after Sunday, week after week, century after century, has that prayer gone up; and today, in this so-called Christian city of Glasgow, 125,000 human beings—so your medical officer says—125,000 children of God are living whole families in a single room. “Thy kingdom come!” We have been praying for it and praying for it, yet it has not come. So long has it tarried that many think it never will come. Here is the vital point in which what we are accustomed to call the Christianity of the present day differs so much from that Christianity which overran the ancient world—that Christianity which, beneath a rotten old civilization, planted the seeds of a newer and a higher. We have become accustomed to think that God’s kingdom is not intended for this world; that, virtually, this is the devil’s world, and that God’s kingdom is in some other sphere, to which He is to take good people when they die—as good Americans are said when they die to go to Paris. If that be so, what is the use of praying for the coming of the kingdom? Is God—the Christian’s God, the Almighty, the loving Father of whom Christ told—is He such a monster as a god of that kind would be; a god who looks on this world, sees its sufferings and its miseries, sees high faculties aborted, lives stunted, innocence turned to vice and crime, and heart-strings strained and broken, yet, having it in his power, will not bring that kingdom of peace, and love, and plenty, and happiness? Is God, indeed, a self-willed despot, whom we must coax to do the good He might?

But, think of it. The Almighty—and I say it with reverence—the Almighty could not bring that kingdom of Himself. For, what is the kingdom of God; the kingdom that Christ taught us to pray for? Is it not in the doing of God’s will, not by automata, not by animals who are compelled, but by intelligent beings made in His image; intelligent beings clothed with free will, intelligent beings knowing good from evil. Swedenborg never said a deeper nor a truer thing, nor a thing more compatible with the philosophy of Christianity, than when he said God had never put any one into hell; that the devils went to hell because they would rather go to hell than go to heaven. The spirits of evil would be unhappy in a place where the spirit of good reigned: wedded to injustice, and loving injustice, they would be miserable where justice was the law. And, correlatively, God could not put intelligent beings having free will into conditions where they must do right without destroying that free will. Nay! Nay! “Thy kingdom come!”—when Christ taught that prayer He meant, not merely that men must idly phrase these words, but that for the coming of that kingdom they must work as well as pray!

Prayer! Consider what prayer is. How true is the old fable! The wagoner, whose wagon was stuck in the rut, knelt down and prayed to Jove to get it out. He might have prayed till the crack of doom, and the wagon would have stood there. This world—God’s world—is not that kind of a world in which the repeating of words will get wagons out of mire or poverty out of slums. He who would pray with effect must work!

“Our Father which art in Heaven.” Not a despot, ruling by his arbitrary fiats, but a father, a loving father, our father; a father for us all—that was Christ’s message. He is our Father and we are His children. But there are men, who, looking around on the suffering and injustice with which, even in so-called Christian countries, human life is full, say there is no Father in heaven, there can be no God, or He would not permit this. How superficial is that thought! What would we as fathers do for our children? Is there any man, who, having a knowledge of the world and the laws of human life, would so surround his boy with safeguards that he could do no evil and could suffer no pain? What could he make by that course of education? A pampered animal, not a self-reliant man! We are, indeed, His children. Yet let one of God’s children fall into the water, and if he has not learned to swim he will drown. And if he is a good distance from land and near no boat or anything on which he may get, he will drown anyhow, whether he can swim or not. God the Creator might have made men so that they could swim like the fishes, but how could He have made them so that they could swim like the fishes and yet have adapted this wonderful frame of ours to all the purposes which the intelligence that is lodged within it requires to use it for? God can make a fish; He can make a bird; but could He, His laws being what they are, make an animal that might at once swim as well as a fish and fly as well as a bird? That the intelligence which we must recognize behind nature is almighty does not mean that it can contradict itself and stultify its own laws. No; we are the children of God. What God is, who shall say? But every man is conscious of this, that behind what he sees there must have been a Power to bring that forth; that behind what he knows there is an intelligence far greater than that which is lodged in the human mind, but which human intelligence does in some infinitely less degree resemble.

Yes; we are His children. We in some sort have that power of adapting things which we know must have been exerted to bring this universe into being. Consider those great ships for which this port of Glasgow is famous all over the world; consider one of those great ocean steamers, such as the Umbria, or the Etruria, or the City of New York, or the City of Paris. There, in the ocean which such ships cleave, are the porpoises, there are the whales, there are the dolphins, there are all manner of fish. They are today just as they were when Caesar crossed to this island, just as they were before the first ancient Briton launched his leather-covered boat. Man today can swim no better than man could swim then, but consider how by his intelligence he has advanced higher and higher, how his power of making things has developed, until now he crosses the great ocean quicker than any fish. Consider one of those great steamers forcing her way across the Atlantic Ocean, four hundred miles a day, against a living gale. Is she not in some sort a product of a godlike power—a machine in some sort like the very fishes that swim underneath? Here is the distinguishing thing between man and the animals; here is the broad and unpassable gulf. Man among all the animals is the only maker. Man among all the animals is the only one that possesses that godlike power of adapting means to ends. And is it possible that man possesses the power of so adapting means to ends that he can cross the Atlantic in six days, and yet does not possess the power of abolishing the conditions that crowd thousands of families into one room? When we consider the achievements of man and then look upon the misery that exists today in the very centers of wealth, upon the ignorance, the weakness, the injustice, that characterize our highest civilization, we may know of a surety that it is not the fault of God; it is the fault of man. May we not know that in that very power God has given to His children here, in that power of rising higher, there is involved—and necessarily involved-- the power of falling lower?

“Our Father!” “Our Father!” Whose? Not my Father—that is not the prayer. “Our Father”—not the father of any sect, of any class, but the Father of all men. The All-Father, the equal Father, the loving Father. He it is we ask to bring the kingdom. Aye, we ask it with our lips! We call him “Our Father,” the All, the Universal Father, when we kneel down to pray to Him. But that He is the All-Father—that He is all men’s Father—we deny by our institutions. The All-Father who made the world, the All-Father who created man in His image, and put him upon the earth to draw his subsistence from its bosom; to find in the earth all the materials that satisfy his wants, waiting only to be worked up by his labor! If He is the All-Father, then are not all human beings, all children of the Creator, equally entitled to the use of His bounty? And, yet, our laws say that this God’s earth is not here for the use of all His children, but only for the use of a privileged few! There was a little dialogue published in the United States, in the West, some time ago. Possibly you may have seen it. It is between a boy and his father, when visiting a brick-yard. The boy looks at the men making bricks, and he asks who those dirty men are, why they are making up the clay, and what they are doing it for. He learns, and then he asks about the owner of the brick-yard. “He does not make any bricks; he gets his income from letting the other men make bricks.” Then the boy asks about what title there is to the bricks, and is told that it comes from the men having made them. Then he wants to know how the man who owns the brick-yard gets his title to the brick-yard— whether he made it? “No, he did not make it,” the father replies, “God made it.” The boy asks, “Did God make it for him?” Whereat his father tells him that he must not ask questions such as that, but that anyhow it is all right, and it is all in accordance with God’s law. Then the boy, who of course was a Sunday-school boy, and had been to church, goes off mumbling to himself that God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son to die for all men; but that He so loved the owner of this brick-yard that he gave him not merely his only begotten Son but the brick-yard too.

This has a blasphemous sound. But I do not refer to it lightly. I do not like to speak lightly of sacred subjects. Yet it is well sometimes that we should be fairly shocked into thinking. Think of what Christianity teaches us; think of the life and death of Him who came to die for men! Think of His teachings, that we are all the equal children of an Almighty Father, who is no respecter of persons, and then think of this legalized injustice—this denial of the most important, most fundamental rights of the children of God, which so many of the very men who teach Christianity uphold; nay, which they blasphemously assert is the design and the intent of the Creator himself. Better to me, higher to me, is the atheist, who says there is no God, than the professed Christian, who, prating of the goodness and the Fatherhood of God, tells us in words as some do, or tells us indirectly as others do, that millions and millions of human creatures—[at this point a child was heard crying]—don’t take the little thing out—that millions and millions of human beings, like that little baby, are being brought into the world daily by the creative fiat, and no place in this world provided for them. Aye! tells us that, by the laws of God, the poor are created in order that the rich may have the unctuous satisfaction of dealing out charity to them—tells us that a state of things like that which exists in this city of Glasgow, as in other great cities on both sides of the Atlantic, where little children are dying every day, dying by hundreds of thousands, because, having come into this world—those children of God, with His fiat, by His decree—they find that there is not space on the earth sufficient for them to live; and are driven out of God’s world because they cannot get room enough, cannot get air enough, cannot get sustenance enough. I believe in no such god. If I did, though I might bend before him in fear, I would hate him in my heart. Not room enough for the little children here! Look around any country in the civilized world; is there not room enough and to spare? Not food enough? Look at the unemployed labor, look at the idle acres, look through every country and see natural opportunities going to waste. Aye! that Christianity that puts on the Creator the evil, the injustice, the suffering, the degradation that are due to man’s injustice, is worse, far worse, than atheism. That is the blasphemy, and if there be a sin against the Holy Ghost, that is the unpardonable sin!

Why, consider—"Give us this day our daily bread.” I stopped in a hotel last week—a hydropathic establishment. A hundred or more guests sat down to table together. Before they ate anything, a man stood up, and, thanking God, asked Him to make us all grateful for His bounty. So at every meal-time such an acknowledgment is made over well-filled boards. What do men mean by it? Is it mockery, or what?

If Adam, when he got out of Eden, had sat down and commenced to pray, he might have prayed till this time without getting anything to eat unless he went to work for it. Yet food is God’s bounty. He does not bring meat all cooked, nor vegetables all prepared, nor lay the plates, nor spread the cloth. What He gives are the opportunities of producing these things—of bringing them forth by labor. His mandate is—it is written in the Holy Word, it is graven on every fact in nature-—that by labor we shall bring forth these things. Nature gives to labor and to nothing else. What God gives are the natural elements that are indispensable to labor. He gives them, not to one, not to some, not to one generation, but to all. They are His gifts, His bounty to the whole human race. And yet in all our civilized countries what do we see? That a few men have appropriated these bounties, claiming them as theirs alone, while the great majority have no legal right to apply their labor to the reservoirs of nature and draw from the Creator’s bounty. And thus it comes that all over the civilized world that class that is called peculiarly the “laboring class” is the poor class, and that men who do no labor, who pride themselves on never having done honest labor and on being descended from fathers and grandfathers who never did a stroke of honest labor in their lives, revel in a superabundance of all the things that labor brings forth.

Mr. Abner Thomas, of New York, a strict orthodox Presbyterian—and the son of that Dr. Thomas, famous in America if not here, the pastor of a Presbyterian church in Philadelphia, and the author of a commentary on the Bible that is still a standard work—wrote a little while ago an allegory, called “A Dream.” Dozing off in his chair, he imagined that he was ferried over the River of Death, and, taking the straight and narrow way, came at last within sight of the Golden City. A fine-looking old gentleman angel opened the wicket, inquired his name, and let him in; warning him, at the same time, that it would be better if he chose his company in heaven, and did not associate with disreputable angels.

“What!” said the newcomer, “is not this heaven?”

“Yes,” said the warden, “but there are a lot of tramp angels here now.”

“How can that be?” said Mr. Thomas, in his dream. “I thought everybody had plenty in heaven.”

“It used to be that way some time ago,” said the warden; “and if you wanted to get your harp polished or your wings combed, you had to do it yourself. But matters have changed since we adopted the same kind of property regulations in heaven as you have in civilized countries on earth, and we find it a great improvement, at least for the better class.”

Then the warden told the newcomer that he had better decide where he was going to board.

“I don’t want to board anywhere,” said Thomas; “I would much rather go over to that beautiful green knoll and lie down.”

“I would not advise you to do so,” said the warden; “the angel who owns that knoll does not like to encourage trespassing. Some centuries ago, as I told you, we introduced the system of private property in the soil of heaven. So we divided the land up. It is all private property now.”

“I hope I was considered in that division?” said Thomas.

“No,” said the warden, “you were not; but if you go to work, and are saving, you can easily earn enough in a couple of centuries to buy yourself a nice piece. You get a pair of wings free as you come in, and you will have no difficulty in hypothecating them for a few days’ board until you find work. But I would advise you to be quick about it, as our population is constantly increasing, and there is a great surplus of labor. Tramp angels are, in fact, becoming quite a nuisance.”

“What shall I go to work at?” said Thomas.

“Our principal industries,” responded the warden, “are the making of harps and crowns and the growing of flowers; but there are many opportunities for employment in personal service.”

“I love flowers,” said Thomas, “and I will go to work growing them. There is a beautiful piece of land over there that nobody seems to be using. I will go to work on that.”

“You can’t do that,” said the warden. “That property belongs to one of our most far-sighted angels, who has got very rich by the advance of land values, and who is holding that piece for a rise. You will have to buy it or feu it before you can work on it, and you can’t do that yet.”

And so the story goes on to describe how the roads of heaven, the streets of the New Jerusalem, were filled with disconsolate tramp angels, who had pawned their wings, and were outcasts in heaven itself.

You laugh, and it is ridiculous. But there is a moral in it that is worth serious thought. Is not the ridiculousness in our imagining the application to God’s heaven of the same rules of division that we apply to God’s earth, even while we pray that His will may be done on earth as it is done in heaven?

Really, if you come to think of it, it is impossible to imagine heaven treated as we treat this earth, without seeing that, no matter how salubrious were its air, no matter how bright the light that filled it, no matter how magnificent its vegetable growth, there would be poverty, and suffering, and a division of classes in heaven itself, if heaven were parceled out as we have parceled out the earth. And, conversely, if men in this life were to act towards each other as we must suppose the inhabitants of heaven to do, would not this earth be a very heaven? “Thy kingdom come.” No one can think of the kingdom for which the prayer asks without feeling that it must be a kingdom of justice and equality—not necessarily of equality in condition, but of equality in opportunity. And no one can think of it without seeing that a very kingdom of God might be brought on this earth if men would but seek to do justice—if men would but acknowledge the essential principle of Christianity, that of doing to others as we would have others do to us, and of recognizing that we are all here equally the children of the one Father, equally entitled to share His bounty, equally entitled to live our lives and develop our faculties, and to apply our labor to the raw material that He has provided. Aye! and when a man sees that, then there arises that hope of the coming of the kingdom that carried the Gospel through the streets of Rome, that carried it into pagan lands, that made it, against the most ferocious persecution, the dominant religion of the world. Early Christianity did not mean, in its prayer for the coming of Christ’s kingdom, a kingdom in heaven, but a kingdom on earth. If Christ had simply preached of the other world, the high priests and the Pharisees would not have persecuted Him, the Roman soldiery would not have nailed His hands to the cross. Why was Christianity persecuted? Why were its first professors thrown to wild beasts, burned to light a tyrant’s gardens, hounded, tortured, put to death, by all the cruel devices that a devilish ingenuity could suggest? Not that it was a new religion, referring only to the future. Rome was tolerant of all religions. It was the boast of Rome that all gods were sheltered in her Pantheon; it was the boast of Rome that she made no interference with the religions of peoples she conquered. What was persecuted was a great movement for social reform—the Gospel of Justice—heard by common fishermen with gladness, carried by laborers and slaves into the Imperial City. The Christian revelation was the doctrine of human equality, of the fatherhood of God, of the brotherhood of man. It struck at the very basis of that monstrous tyranny that then oppressed the civilized world; it struck at the fetters of the captive, at the bonds of the slave, at that monstrous injustice which allowed a class to revel on the proceeds of labor, while those who did the labor fared scantily. That is the reason why early Christianity was persecuted. And when they could no longer hold it down, then the privileged classes adopted and perverted the new faith, and it became, in its very triumph, not the pure Christianity of the early days, but a Christianity that, to a very great extent, was the servitor of the privileged classes. And, instead of preaching the essential fatherhood of God, the essential brotherhood of man, its high priests engrafted on the pure truths of the Gospel the blasphemous doctrine that the All-Father is a respecter of persons, and that by His will and on His mandate is founded that monstrous injustice which condemns the great mass of humanity to unrequited hard toil. There has been no failure of Christianity. The failure has been in the sort of Christianity that has been preached.

Nothing is clearer than that if we are all children of the universal Father, we are all entitled to the use of His bounty. No one dare deny that proposition. But the men who set their faces against its carrying out say, virtually: “Oh, yes! that is true; but it is impracticable to carry it into effect!” Just think of what this means: This is God’s world, and yet such men say that it is a world in which God’s justice, God’s will, cannot be carried into effect. What a monstrous absurdity, what a monstrous blasphemy! If the loving God does reign, if His laws are the laws not merely of the physical but of the moral universe, there must be a way of carrying His will into effect, there must be a way of doing equal justice to all His creatures.

And so there is. The men who deny that there is any practical way of carrying into effect the perception that all human beings are equally children of the Creator, shut their eyes to the plain and obvious way. It is of course impossible in a civilization like this of ours to divide land up into equal pieces. Such a system might have done in a primitive state of society, among a people such as that for whom the Mosaic code was framed. It would not do in this state of society. We have progressed in civilization beyond such rude devices, but we have not, nor can we, progress beyond God’s providence. There is a way of securing the equal rights of all, not by dividing land up into equal pieces, but by taking for the use of all that value which attaches to land, not as the result of individual labor upon it, but as the result of the increase of population, and the improvement of society. In that way everyone would be equally interested in the land of his native country. If he used a more valuable piece than his neighbor he would pay a heavier tax. If he made no direct use of any land he would still be an equal sharer in the revenue. Here is the simple way. Aye! and it is a way that impresses the man who really sees its beauty with a more vivid idea of the beneficence of the providence of the All-Father than it seems to me anything else. One cannot look, it seems to me, through nature; whether he look at the stars through a telescope, or have the microscope reveal to him those worlds that we find in drops of water, whether he consider the human frame, the adjustments of the animal kingdom, or of any department of physical nature, he must see that there has been a contriver and adjuster, that there has been an intent. So strong is that feeling, so natural is it to our minds, that even men who deny the creative intelligence are forced, in spite of themselves, to talk of intent. The claws of one animal were intended, we say, to climb with; the fins of another to propel it through the water. Yet, while in looking through the laws of physical nature, we find intelligence, we do not so clearly find beneficence. But in the great social fact that as population increases, and improvements are made, and men progress in civilization, the one thing that rises everywhere in value is land, we may see a proof of the beneficence of the Creator.

Why, consider what it means! It means that the social laws are adapted to progressive man! In a rude state of society where there is no need for common expenditure, there is no value attaching to land. The only value which attaches there is to things produced by labor But as civilization goes on, as a division of labor takes place, as men come into centers, so do the common wants increase and so does the necessity for public revenue arise. And so in that value which attaches to land, not by reason of anything the individual does, but by reason of the growth of the community, is a provision, intended—we may safely say intended—to meet that social want. Just as society grows, so do the common needs grow, and so grows this value attaching to land—the provided fund from which they can be supplied. Here is a value that may be taken, without impairing the right of property, without taking anything from the producer, without lessening the natural rewards of industry and thrift. Nay, here is a value that must be taken if we would prevent the most monstrous of all monopolies. What does all this mean? It means that in the creative plan, the natural advance in civilization is an advance to a greater and greater equality instead of to a more and more monstrous inequality.

“Thy kingdom come!” It may be that we shall never see it. But to the man who realizes that it may come, to the man who realizes that it is given to him to work for the coming of God’s kingdom on earth, there is for him, though he never see that kingdom here, an exceeding great reward—the reward of feeling that he, little and insignificant though he may be, is doing something to help the coming of that kingdom, doing something on the side of that good power that shows all through the universe, doing something to tear this world from the devil's grasp, and make it the kingdom of righteousness. Aye, and though it should never come, yet those who struggle for it know in the depths of their hearts that it must exist somewhere—they know that somewhere, some time, those who strive their best for the coming of the kingdom, will be welcomed into the kingdom, and that to them, even to them, some time, somewhere, the King shall say: “Well done, thou good and faithful servant, enter thou into the joy of thy Lord.”
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Much as I like what Henry George had to say, he lacked brevity at times  Tongue
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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2011, 07:52:10 AM »

Much as I like what Henry George had to say, he lacked brevity at times  Tongue

True, but it must be remembered that, back then, the masses were not accustomed as they are now to having everything dumbed down to sound bites.
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True, but it must be remembered that, back then, the masses were not accustomed as they are now to having everything dumbed down to sound bites.

That's precisely why I brought this up, we might have no problem with lengthy speeches, but the people we're trying to reach do.

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« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2011, 08:38:54 AM »

That's precisely why I brought this up, we might have no problem with lengthy speeches, but the people we're trying to reach do.

That's not wholly true in this case, because many if not most of those who openly pride themselves in being "pro-life" are church-going Christians who, as such, routinely listen to lengthy sermons on Sunday mornings. And, as you may have noticed, they are also quite fond of creating lengthy threads on such things as "KJV only" and the "rapture."

Thus, if they avoid the issue I raised in this thread, it's not because their attention spans are too short, but for some other reason.
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« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2011, 09:05:19 AM »

That's not wholly true in this case, because many if not most of those who openly pride themselves in being "pro-life" are church-going Christians who, as such, routinely listen to lengthy sermons on Sunday mornings. And, as you may have noticed, they are also quite fond of creating lengthy threads on such things as "KJV only" and the "rapture."

Thus, if they avoid the issue I raised in this thread, it's not because their attention spans are too short, but for some other reason.

Fair point, being an agnostic I tend not to get involved in religious discussion on here.
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« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2011, 12:32:54 PM »

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ohio-heartbeat-bill-abortion-paves-roe-wade-challenge/story?id=12876224

Ohio Abortion Bill Poses Biggest Challenge to Roe v. Wade Yet

'Heartbeat Bill' Would Ban Abortions in First Trimester of Pregnancy

By HUMA KHAN
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Feb. 9, 2011

An anti-abortion bill unveiled by Ohio Republican state legislators today sets the stage for a Supreme Court fight that could jeopardize the decades-old precedent set by the nation's highest court.

The so-called "heartbeat bill" would ban abortions once there is evidence that a fetus has a heartbeat, though it doesn't set a specific time. The heart is one of the first organs to develop, and a baby's heartbeat can be detected as early as 18 days for some women, and by six weeks for most.

The controversial legislation is one of the most stringent anti-abortion plans to be introduced in a state legislature to date.

It clearly challenges the Supreme Court's 1973 Roe v. Wade mandate, under which a woman has the right to abort a fetus until it is "viable," meaning that it's "potentially able to live outside the mother's womb, albeit with artificial aid." It's only at the point of viability -- "usually placed at about seven months" -- that states can restrict abortion.

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« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2011, 08:56:35 AM »

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=41888

Controversial Abortion Bill Gains Steam

by Billy Hallowell
Human Events
02/19/2011

When it comes to America’s ongoing abortion debate these days, all eyes are on Ohio.  Like many governing bodies across the nation, the Ohio State Legislature has taken up a number of anti-abortion bills over the past few weeks.  However, one measure in particular is raising hope for anti-abortion advocates who seek to place further restrictions on the procedure.  State Rep. Lynn Wachtmann (R.-Napolean) has introduced the Human Heartbeat Protection Act—now being dubbed the Heartbeat Bill—a highly contentious proposal that has the potential to make Ohio the new battleground in the ongoing and decades-old abortion debate.

Unlike other proposals that seek to limit or ban controversial abortion procedures, the Heartbeat Bill would make abortion unlawful once a fetal heartbeat is detected.  While many in the anti-abortion movement are lauding the move, proponents of choice claim that this restriction would severely limit a woman’s right to choose.  Fetal heartbeats are detectable as early as 18 days after conception, distinguishing this proposal as the first of its kind.

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« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2011, 09:51:37 AM »

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Senate Dems present united front on GOP abortion fight

By Jason Millman
TheHill.com
2/21/11

A handful of Senate Democrats are presenting a united front against new reproductive-rights restrictions being pushed by House Republicans.

The House on Friday, during its debate of a spending bill to keep the government running past March 4, approved an amendment by Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.) stripping federal funding from Planned Parenthood, which receives about $350 million each year in federal, state and local grants.

The newly empowered House Republicans are pushing ahead with a slate of anti-abortion legislation, and a few Senate Democrats have been fighting back hard for weeks.

Democratic Sens. Barbara Boxer (Calif.), Kirsten Gillibrand (N.Y.), Richard Blumenthal (Conn.), Al Franken (Minn.) and Jeanne Shaheen (N.H.) have promised recently to block the Republican agenda to limit abortion services and defund Planned Parenthood.

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« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2011, 12:02:07 PM »

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Billboard Opposing Abortion Stirs Debate

By LIZ ROBBINS
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                                                        Hiroko Masuike for The New York Times
A billboard erected by a group opposed to abortion at the corner of Watts Street
and 6th Avenue in SoHo, blocks from a Planned Parenthood location.


A billboard that a group opposed to abortion erected Tuesday night in SoHo three blocks from a Planned Parenthood location, claiming that “the most dangerous place for an African-American is in the womb,” has quickly stirred discussion and controversy.

“This billboard simply doesn’t belong in New York City,” Bill de Blasio, the city’s public advocate, said in a statement. “The ad violates the values of New Yorkers and is grossly offensive to women and minorities.”

“A mix of intolerance and bad judgment put this ad up,” Mr. de Blasio added. “Common decency demands it be taken down.”

A group based in Texas, Life Always, put up the billboard, which depicts a young black girl in a pink dress, on the corner of Sixth Avenue and Watts Street, and planned to hold a news conference in Manhattan later Wednesday.

In a statement on the group’s Web site describing the advertising campaign, Stephen Broden, who is identified as a pastor and a senior board member for the group, noted that February is Black History Month. “Our future is in jeopardy as a genocidal plot is carried out through abortion,” Mr. Broden said.

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« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2011, 08:55:06 AM »

http://www.texastribune.org/texas-legislature/2011-abortion-sonogram-bill/lawmakers-hear-graphic-abortion-sonogram-testimony/

Lawmakers Hear Graphic Abortion Sonogram Testimony

by Becca Aaronson
The Texas Tribune
Feb. 23, 2011

House lawmakers had their first chance to weigh in on the controversial abortion sonogram bill today in a State Affairs committee hearing — and they didn't mince words. Rep. Leo Berman, R-Tyler, opened Wednesday's testimony by saying that more than 55 million fetuses have been aborted since the Roe v. Wade ruling almost 40 years ago. “That’s a Holocaust times nine,” he said.

Russell Crawford, author of an abortion-rights book, argued that fetuses are not babies, and that a “one shot, pro-life view” right before the procedure is potentially misleading. “The intent of this bill is probably sincere in its belief that what you’re doing is proving to a woman that what she has in her womb is a baby,” Crawford said. But he argued there are many physical differences between a zygote and a baby. "There’s a difference between what is a human baby and what is human tissue,” he said.

Last week, the Senate voted 21-10 to pass legislation requiring a doctor to perform a sonogram at least two hours before a woman has an abortion. Under that bill, the woman can refuse to see the sonogram image or listen to the heartbeat of the fetus, but she must listen to the doctor’s description of the sonogram. Victims of sexual assault or incest, regardless of whether they’ve filed a police report, do not have to listen to the description.

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« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2011, 08:03:58 AM »

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/02/26/from-new-york-to-midwest-to-south-abortion-battle-heats-up/

From New York to Midwest to South, Abortion Battle Heats Up

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NEW YORK -- It was only a single billboard, raised high above the streets of Manhattan, with a photograph of a black little girl and the kind of message the city's residents don't often see:

    "The most dangerous place for an African-American is in the womb."

The ad was sponsored by a Texas-based anti-abortion group, which said there is a particularly high abortion rate among black women and that it wanted to show them there are other options. The billboard sparked outrage and allegations of racism in liberal New York City. It was removed by the advertising company less than a week after it was erected.

That, however, was a small victory for abortion-rights groups, which say they are facing an increasingly hostile political environment and fighting a sudden surge of legislation across the country aimed at restricting women's access to abortion.

Hundreds of such bills are introduced in state legislatures every year, and it's unclear how many will actually be enacted into law. But abortion-rights advocates say this year is different.

Janet Crepps, deputy director of the U.S. legal program for the Center for Reproductive Rights, said the group has already tracked 300 anti-abortion bills so far this year nationwide, up from 150 for the entire year of 2010.

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« Reply #23 on: February 28, 2011, 08:48:30 AM »

http://www.natchezdemocrat.com/news/2011/feb/27/abortion-hits-black-community-hard/

Abortion hits black community hard

Virginia O'Beirne
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February 27, 2011

This is in response to “Whoopi’s Whopper.” She really outdid herself this time. We all know Whoopi Goldberg as a professional comedienne and her stock in trade is making outlandish remarks, but sometimes she gets serious and sometimes seriously wrong.

One of these occasions was Wednesday. I happened to catch a segment of Whoopi’s daily talk show, “The View” in which she maintained vehemently that there is no federal funding for abortion. Yet the fact is that Planned Parenthood, the nation’s leading abortion provider, received $363 million in the 2008-2009 year, which is the last annual report to be released. Planned Parenthood’s claim that government funds only go for mammograms, prenatal care and adoptions is ludicrous because these services are miniscule compared to the number of abortions performed at their clinics and these health care services are diminishing each year, while the number of abortions performed steadily increases.

What’s more, money is fungible. It stands to reason that if a facility receives support (in grants and contracts, as in this case) for one part of its services then money is freed up to spend on other services. You don’t keep the lights on in just one room.

What started Whoopi’s tirade was her outrage at a billboard which proclaimed “The most dangerous place for an African American is in the womb.”

Sorry, Whoopi. The fact is that abortion is the leading cause of death in the African American community. Since the passage of Roe vs Wade in 1973, legalizing abortion, all other leading causes of death (including heart disease, cancer, accidents, violent crimes and AIDS) account for approximately 5 million deaths whereas abortion has taken more than 14 million lives in the black community, almost three times as many. These figures are based on statistics provided by the U.S. Center for Disease Control.

While African American women represent only 13 percent of U.S. women of child bearing age, they account for more than one third of abortions in this country. Since 1973 abortion has wiped out more than 25 percent of the African American population.

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« Reply #24 on: February 28, 2011, 05:41:24 PM »

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/naked-public-square/2011/feb/28/02282011_abortion-billboard/

The truth and the tragedy of abortion

Eugene J. Koprowski
The Washington Times
February 28, 2011

CHICAGO, Feb. 28, 2011 -- “Abortion,” says Pastor Stephen Broden, of the Fair Park Bible Fellowship in Dallas, Texas, “is outpacing life in our community.”

Broden and other members of Life Always, a group opposed to abortion, caused a calculated controversy last week when they posted, a dramatically pro-life billboard in New York City’s SoHo (south of Houston) neighborhood. The message: “The most dangerous place for an African-American is in the womb.” The image: a lovely little black girl, more than four years old, with a pink dress, and ribbons in her hair. Underneath the image, the caption: Thatsabortion.com.


        The pro-life billboard from Life Always

Broden, a commentator for Fox News on social issues, and other clerical and lay members of the board of Life Always, decided to launch the advertising campaign in New York City for a number of reasons. The primary reason, according to the advocacy group, is that African American children are “under attack” in New York City. In 2009, 59.8% of black pregnancies in New York City ended in abortion.

There were 40,798 induced abortions, compared to 27,405 live births, among New York blacks that year. Rev. Derek A. McCoy, another Life Always board member and an Associate Pastor of Hope Christian Church in Beltsville, Md. says, “this is both a truth and a tragedy.”

The group claims that a significant percentage of the American black population is being wiped out by abortions. The SoHo ad is being placed in other major metro markets this month to coincide with Black History Month.

One would think that free speech advocates of the cultural left would appreciate the chance to rebut, by means of reason, the statistics from the city’s department of public health [.pdf] which supported the group’s arguments.

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Fetus to 'testify' for anti-abortion bill

Columbus Morning Call
March 1, 2011

An anti-abortion group has scheduled a fetus as a legislative witness for the bill that, if passed, would outlaw abortions in Ohio after the first heartbeat is detected, the Associated Press reports.

Plans by Faith2Action call for bringing a pregnant woman before the House Health Committee and projecting an ultrasound image of her uterus onto a screen. The image will show the nine-week-old fetus' heartbeat in color.

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« Reply #26 on: March 01, 2011, 02:14:25 PM »

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Almost Half the Babies Aborted in NYC Were Black

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March 1, 2011

In New York City in 2007, 87,527 abortions were performed, with 43,568–or 49.8 percent–of the aborted babies being black, according to the CDC. The number of white babies aborted in 2007 in New York City was 37,870–or 43.3 percent. 6,089, or 7 percent, were babies of other races, according to the report.

According to the Census Bureau, there are 8,302,659 people in New York City, of whom 2,085,514–or 25 percent–are black. Thus, black babies in New York City were aborted at a rate that is twice the black share of the municipal population.

A report released in December by the New York Department of Health indicated that that black babies represented an even higher percentage among those aborted in New York City in 2009. That report said about 41 percent of pregnancies in the city ended in abortion in 2009 and 59.8 percent of those abortions were of black babies.

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« Reply #27 on: March 01, 2011, 05:34:39 PM »

Why we need a national religious debate about abortion

by Jill Jacobs
The Washington Post
March 1, 2011

The U.S. House of Representatives voted last week to eliminate federal funding for Planned Parenthood, which provides abortions, along with a variety of health care services for women. (The federal funding was allocated for family planning and health care, not abortion.) The Virginia General Assembly last week approved legislation that requires abortion clinics to be regulated as hospitals, and providers say the stricter regulations will force many of them out of business. Both measures were pushed by anti-abortion activists. Should personal and religious views be allowed to prevent women from having access to a legal medical procedure?

It's time for a national religious conversation about abortion.

I don't mean what you think I mean.

Usually, a religious "conversation" about abortion is more of a monologue. The person speaking in the name of religion proclaims that life begins at conception, labels doctors who perform abortions as "baby killers," and prophesies that divine wrath will fall on the pro-choice side. For their part, the pro-choicers call on the language of feminism, medicine and human rights, and raise the specter of rape and incest victims carrying their assailant's baby.

No wonder the two sides can't hear each other; they're having different conversations. The first claims exclusive knowledge of God's desires; the latter sticks to the language of modernity and relinquishes God to the right wing.

Instead, imagine a national religion and values-based conversation about abortion.

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« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2011, 05:33:37 PM »

Fetuses take centre stage _ literally _ in Ohio abortion debate

By: Lee-Anne Goodman
Winnipeg Free Press
March 2, 2011

WASHINGTON - The hot-button issue of abortion entered the realm of the surreal in the United States on Wednesday as two expectant mothers supported what would be the most stringent anti-abortion law in the country by allowing live ultrasound images of their fetuses to be shown to Ohio legislators.

The women were given ultrasounds during a hearing in Columbus, OH., and the images were projected onto a screen for legislators to look at. A flashing dot was identified as the beating hearts of the fetuses, one at 15 weeks' gestation, the other at nine.

Pro-choice advocates were outraged, calling it a "stunt" and a "circus" that trivialized women's rights.

Under the bill, expected to easily pass the Republican-controlled state legislature, abortions would be banned as soon as the first heartbeat can be medically detected unless the life of the mother is in danger. In effect, the legislation would all but outlaw abortion since a fetal heartbeat can be detected as early as 18 days after conception.

"When you hear that heartbeat, it's a baby that has a right to life," one of the expectant mothers, Erin Glockner, told the Columbus Dispatch after the hearing.

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« Reply #29 on: March 03, 2011, 08:11:06 AM »

http://colorlines.com/archives/2011/03/past_and_present_collide_as_the_black_anti-abortion_movement_grows.html

Past and Present Collide as the Black Anti-Abortion Movement Grows


Anti-abortion billboard in the West Adams district in Los Angeles. (Photo by Jorge Rivas/Colorlines.com)

by Miriam Zoila Pérez
Colorlines.com
March 3, 2011

Just over a year ago, in February 2010, Ryan Bomberger’s impassioned campaign to convince black people that abortion is genocide burst into mainstream view. Bomberger’s Radiance Foundation, a Georgia-based anti-abortion group, placed dozens of billboards around Atlanta in coordination with black history month, touching off a media firestorm. “Black children are an endangered species,” said the billboards, of which there are now at least 170 in at least five cities and states.

“I’m an adoptee and adoptive father who has worked in the urban community most of my adult life,” says Bomberger, who is black. “I mourn the loss of beautiful possibility, not only in the unborn children who are unjustly killed, but the would-be mothers and fathers who are propagandized to believe that abortion solves any of the issues we face as a society.”

In the year since the Radiance Foundation campaign began, the abortion-as-black-genocide meme has spread widely. As the House voted to defund Planned Parenthood last month, Georgia Republican Paul Broun lectured on the floor about eugenics. Last week, the group Life Always sparked outrage with a billboard in lower Manhattan that declared, “The most dangerous place for an African-American is the womb.” FOX News shows have been abuzz with talk about high abortion rates in urban centers and among black women. Suddenly, the right is terribly concerned with the well-being of black babies.

The black-focused billboards direct viewers to websites—Bomberger’s toomanyaborted.com and Life Always’ thatsabortion.com. The two sites have a similar message: abortion is tantamount to genocide in the black community. Both campaigns identify Planned Parenthood as the villain at the center of this genocide—they claim the organization targets African Americans through outreach and strategic clinic locations, and point to founder Margaret Sanger’s early 20th century involvement in eugenics.

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« Reply #30 on: March 03, 2011, 04:58:32 PM »

http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-spokane/msnbc-host-cenk-uygur-unborn-children-would-support-abortion

MSNBC host Cenk Uygur: Unborn children would support abortion

by Joe Newby
Spokane Conservative Examiner
March 3, 2011

MSNBC host Cenk Uygur suggested that if unborn children could talk, they would oppose any effort to protect themselves from abortion, according to a post at Newsbusters.

A proposed law in Ohio would prevent abortion once the unborn child's heartbeat can be detected.  Fox News reports that a child's heartbeat can be detected 18 days after conception.

House Bill 125 - also known as the "Heartbeat Bill" - was introduced in the Ohio legislature in February:

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« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2011, 12:38:14 PM »

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Pro-Life Groups Respond to Planned Parenthood With 1M Petitions

by Steven Ertelt
LifeNews.com
March 4, 2011

Not to be outdone by the Planned Parenthood abortion business, which is besieging the Senate with more than 700,000 messages urging lawmakers to not yank its federal funding, pro-life groups have responded with a massive campaign of their own.



Today, the Expose Planned Parenthood Coalition — an ad hoc group of more than 30 pro-life organizations including LifeNews.com — announced that nearly 1.2 million mailed petitions and emails have been sent to Congress urging support for the Pence Amendment. That’s the provision the House passed by a strong margin and added to the Continuing Resolution which would deny all taxpayer funding to Planned Parenthood through September.

Concerned Women for America alone has generated 980,000 mailed petitions to the House of Representatives and Family Research Council Action (FRC Action), the Susan B. Anthony List and Catholic Advocate Voice have generated more than 190,000 direct e-mails and petition signatures to Congress.

The groups have led the effort to de-fund the abortion provider following the release of Live Action’s undercover footage from Planned Parenthood clinics across the country showing employees aiding and abetting in alleged sex trafficking of minors, further evidence that the organization is not safe for women and children.

“More than one million Americans have stepped forward to send a clear message to our elected leaders: whether pro-life or pro-abortion we do not believe that tax dollars should be used to finance abortion services.  The time to permanently end taxpayer funding of Planned Parenthood is now,” said Penny Nance, CEO of Concerned Women for America.

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« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2011, 07:30:35 AM »

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/03/08/texas.sonogram/

Texas lawmakers approve bills requiring ultrasound before abortion

By the CNN Wire Staff
March 8, 2011

(CNN) -- Abortion rights advocates plan to rally in Texas Tuesday after state lawmakers approved controversial legislaton that requires mothers seeking an abortion to undergo an ultrasound examination and listen to a description of what it shows.

The state house approved the anti-abortion measure in a 107-42 vote Monday. And state senators backed a similar proposal last month. After a conference committee hashes out the details, Texas Gov. Rick Perry will have the final say.

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« Reply #33 on: March 08, 2011, 12:25:01 PM »

http://www.lifenews.com/2011/03/07/planned-parenthood-imitates-pro-life-bus-tour-with-its-own/

Planned Parenthood Imitates Pro-Life Bus Tour With Its Own

by Steven Ertelt
LifeNews.com
March 8, 2011

They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and the Planned Parenthood abortion business has organized a last-minute bus tour to counter the one the Susan B. Anthony List coordinated with pro-life activist Lila Rose.



The pro-life bus tour is heading through the Midwest and the northeastern United States to thanks members who voted to revoke taxpayer funding for the abortion business, and Planned Parenthood is apparently not happy that it didn’t think of its own bus tour first.

In an email to its members, the abortion business said, “We know it is short notice — and it may be difficult for you to make it, but we need you, your friends and family by our side. It’s critical that we demonstrate our community’s strong support for Planned Parenthood.”

“You won’t be able to miss us — we’re traveling in a big pink bus. All you’ll need to do is show up, stand up, and speak the truth with us. Bring your co-workers. Your sisters. Your mom. Your friends. Bring everyone you know who cares about Planned Parenthood,” the group added.

The Planned Parenthood tour will go to some of the same offices of members of Congress as the pro-life tour and the abortion advocates timed their stops to come just before the pro-lifers arrive.

Jill Stanek, a pro-life blogger, commented on the sneaky tactics.

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« Reply #34 on: March 09, 2011, 11:56:04 AM »

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Planned Parenthood’s ‘Truth Tour’ Does Not Mention the 332,278 Abortions It Performed in 2009

Penny Starr
CNS News
March 9, 2011

Planned Parenthood Federation of America is fighting a congressional attempt to end federal funding for the organization with a nationwide bus tour, dubbed the “Truth Tour.”  The organization’s bright pink bus advertises various Planned Parenthood statistics and health data, but it does not include the number of abortions the organization has performed.

In 2009, Planned Parenthood clinics performed 332,278 abortions, according to a fact sheet on the group’s Web site. Also, in fiscal year 2008-2009, Planned Parenthood received more than $363 million in government grants and contracts, including federal taxpayer dollars through Title X family planning provisions.

Although federal law does not allow for taxpayer dollars to directly pay for abortion, critics of Planned Parenthood, which is the largest provider of abortions in the United States, say the millions of dollars it gets annually help it support other programs, thus freeing up funds that can be used to promote or perform abortions.

Planned Parenthood also has launched an ad campaign and e-mail blitz asking supporters to fight the congressional de-funding effort and to donate to their cause.

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« Reply #35 on: March 09, 2011, 02:48:25 PM »

they can take their pet murder project and stuff it up margaret sanger's dead ass.

LOL!  Cheesy 

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« Reply #36 on: March 09, 2011, 03:27:45 PM »

LOL!  Cheesy 

I see you have a delicate way of putting things like I do.  Wink

Marie Stopes was our equivalent of Margaret Sanger and was a Nazi sympathiser that got a government funded charity named after her here in the UK. There was a thread on here about their new TV ads not so long ago.
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« Reply #37 on: March 10, 2011, 11:08:33 AM »

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/10/us-oklahoma-house-abortion-idUSTRE72956Z20110310

Oklahoma House passes bill to ban abortion after 20 weeks

By Steve Olafson
Reuters
March 10, 2011

(Reuters) - The Oklahoma House of Representatives passed a bill on Wednesday that would ban abortion after 20 weeks of gestation.

The bill passed 94-2 without debate and will now go to the state Senate, said state Representative Pam Peterson, who sponsored the bill.

The proposed law, similar to one passed in Nebraska last year, is based on medical evidence that an unborn child can feel pain at the 20-week mark, Peterson said.

"The science is there," said Peterson, a Tulsa Republican. "Whether you're pro-life or pro-abortion, we should all agree that gratuitous suffering by an unborn child is incompatible with our society."

Lawmakers in Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Mississippi, New Mexico and Oregon are considering similar abortion restrictions, said Elizabeth Nash, who tracks state abortion policies in Washington, D.C., for the nonprofit Guttmacher Institute.

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« Reply #38 on: March 10, 2011, 11:14:52 AM »

http://www.lifenews.com/2011/03/10/record-number-of-pro-lifers-join-40-days-for-life-event/

Record Number of Pro-Lifers Join 40 Days for Life Event

by Steven Ertelt
LifeNews.com
March 10, 2011

The first day of the latest 40 Days for Life campaign saw record numbers of pro-life people turn out at locations across the United States to pray at abortion centers and offer women abortion alternatives.



“Just two days into the largest 40 Days for Life campaign ever and we’ve seen record crowds at kickoff events across the United States — and beyond,” says Shawn Carney, the national coordinator. “As this 40 Days for Life campaign is just getting started, there’s still plenty of time for you to join in — and to spread the word to everyone you know.”

“I just got back from a great 40 Days for Life kickoff rally in Virginia Beach, Virginia,” he explained. “They held their event in front of the Planned Parenthood facility, which is getting ready to expand its abortion capabilities. While I was there, the local ABC affiliate came out to interview Marcia, the local coordinator.

David Bereit, the national director of 40 Days for Life, helped get the first-ever 40 Days for Life campaign in Silver Spring, Maryland off to a great start. It was an exciting night in this Washington, DC suburb.

The 40 Days for Life team in Lafayette, Indiana also had a great turnout for their opening.

“This campaign also marks the first 40 Days for Life effort in Lafayette. As is the case in Virginia Beach and Silver Spring, their vigil is also being held outside a Planned Parenthood facility,” Carney said. “Members of the clergy from various local churches took part in the kickoff event, which featured a prayer gathering followed by a procession to the vigil site.”

Scott Michaud is part of 40 Days For Life in Augusta and said pro-life advocates are outside the Family Planning Association of Maine abortion center and they have hundreds of volunteers from all over the state participating.

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« Reply #39 on: March 10, 2011, 11:15:16 AM »

No comment on whether 20 weeks is an appropriate cutoff Geo? It's 24 here in the UK, which dovetails with your comment about final trimester abortions.
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