Universe A Giant Brain?

[crutley]

The Universe’s structure…



Is it just me or does that look something like the neuron pathways within a brain?

[Freeski]

YouTube or it never happened.

[Kilgore Trout]

It does look very much like neuro pathways , I also always thought we were the microcosm to the universe's macrocosm.

[Jackson Holly]

Our brain structure/function mimics the macro ... think about it ...
how could it be any other way?

[Freeski]

Our brain structure/function mimics the macro ... think about it ...
how could it be any other way?

do you mean an algorithm?

[tritonman]

YouTube or it never happened.

yes, it looks like it came from a sci-fi comic even. lol   A link to it's source could be handy ya think?

[decemberfellow]

Wow!! What a thought. We are in Gods brain.  Wonder if earth is giving him a headache?

[crutley]

YouTube or it never happened.

I just did - hope you all enjoy it....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZEjLkmALdo

Now my 'original thought' is safe - it did actually happen! (because it is now on YouTube).

 

[crutley]

yes, it looks like it came from a sci-fi comic even. lol   A link to it's source could be handy ya think?

See above - pictures came from NASA & a medical website.

[Kilgore Trout]

Wow!! What a thought. We are in Gods brain.  Wonder if earth is giving him a headache?

I've often thought (metaphorically) that we were like bloodcells in the body of God , and that near the end of our course through that circulatory system , some of the "lighter" cells would go through the Heart of God , be re "oxygenated" and make their way into the almighty mind and burst forth as a synaptic spark to become infinite as a thought in the universal mind of God.

I always word that a little differently each time I write that but the idea remains intact.

[Freeski]

I just did - hope you all enjoy it....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZEjLkmALdo

Now my 'original thought' is safe - it did actually happen! (because it is now on YouTube).

 

Going in now!

[Jackson Holly]

do you mean an algorithm?

Well, I am not sure what mathematics might be brought to bear as 'proof'.
I just believe in the 'intelligent universe' concept. Recent plasma 'electric
universe' concepts/research tend to show how the intelligence might
exist and express itself on a cosmic level much the same way as the brain ...
electro-chemically from cell to cell.

One just has to imagine galaxies as 'nerve-cells' interconnected and carrying
information ... guiding the physical manifestations (life, 'natural laws') in much
the same way as the brain does on a micro-scale.

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=164454.msg982487#msg982487

[crutley]

I've often thought (metaphorically) that we were like bloodcells in the body of God , and that near the end of our course through that circulatory system , some of the "lighter" cells would go through the Heart of God , be re "oxygenated" and make their way into the almighty mind and burst forth as a synaptic spark to become infinite as a thought in the universal mind of God.

I always word that a little differently each time I write that but the idea remains intact.

At the scale of the picture of the universe you saw our Milky Way Galaxy is just one tiny pixel of purple. Our sun is merely one of 100 billion stars in that galaxy and our planet is one of nine that circle that star. Guess this means that if we are part of the body of God then we are a very, very minuscule and unimportant part. But I guess a lot of fake self important people will have a lot of trouble in accepting that.

[Kilgore Trout]

At the scale of the picture of the universe you saw our Milky Way Galaxy is just one tiny pixel of purple. Our sun is merely one of 100 billion stars in that galaxy and our planet is one of nine that circle that star. Guess this means that if we are part of the body of God then we are a very, very minuscule and unimportant part. But I guess a lot of fake self important people will have a lot of trouble in accepting that.

Could be indeed we are insignificant , I like to know that , I recognize the significance of that fact. I do want to point out though for the body to run at full capacity , every small part is important.

[crutley]

Could be indeed we are insignificant , I like to know that , I recognize the significance of that fact. I do want to point out though for the body to run at full capacity , every small part is important.

I'll remember that the next time I catch a cold.

[Jackson Holly]

Could be indeed we are insignificant , I like to know that , I recognize the significance of that fact. I do want to point out though for the body to run at full capacity , every small part is important.

EXACTLY! We, as a species, have gotten ourselves into this godawful
mess through the 'mechanistic universe' train of thought which leads to the
conclusion that we are small and insignificant. Think about it ... in an
infinite universe ... size doesn't matter!

[Kilgore Trout]

EXACTLY! We, as a species, have gotten ourselves into this godawful
mess through the 'mechanistic universe' train of thought which leads to the
conclusion that we are small and insignificant. Think about it ... in an
infinite universe ... size doesn't matter!

You're right , there would be almost no way to relate size it seems....in an infinite universe. The mind too is infinite so I've heard , in it's capacity to compute. I may be using the wrong word there , not compute but imagine or visulaize. I've also heard it said that you can explore outerspace by exploring innerspace , ie the mind.

[Jackson Holly]

You're right , there would be almost no way to relate size it seems....in an infinite universe. The mind too is infinite so I've heard , in it's capacity to compute. I may be using the wrong word there , not compute but imagine or visulaize. I've also heard it said that you can explore outerspace by exploring innerspace , ie the mind.

Uh, huh ... if the galaxy is analogous to a living cell, then we humans/animals
might be analogous to a molecule let's say ... and OUR cells might be analogous
to an atom. My thinking has taken me to this notion though: We are not the 'mind
of God' ... we are the 'hands of God' ... in that we are a PHYSICAL manifestation
existing to carry out the universal will on the physical plane.

[Kilgore Trout]

Uh, huh ... if the galaxy is analogous to a living cell, then we humans/animals
might be analogous to a molecule let's say ... and OUR cells might be analogous
to an atom. My thinking has taken me to this notion though: We are not the 'mind
of God' ... we are the 'hands of God' ... in that we are a PHYSICAL manifestation
existing to carry out the universal will on the physical plane.

Weird you should say that , I too have said that we are much like the fingers on a great hand , doing the will of the body as "pivotal digits" , that was actually my name on another forum , I also have a personal link with the thumb , which started me saying that to begin with , the link has something to do with my name and what it means , and how the thumb is supposed to be the one digit that somehow allows us as humans to be more advanced as those beings without the opposible thumb..so I agree!!

[Okinawa]

Uh, huh ... if the galaxy is analogous to a living cell, then we humans/animals
might be analogous to a molecule let's say ... and OUR cells might be analogous
to an atom. My thinking has taken me to this notion though: We are not the 'mind
of God' ... we are the 'hands of God' ... in that we are a PHYSICAL manifestation
existing to carry out the universal will on the physical plane.

Very interesting.

And, what a handful we've become.

[Jackson Holly]

Weird you should say that , I too have said that we are much like the fingers on a great hand , doing the will of the body as "pivotal digits" , that was actually my name on another forum , I also have a personal link with the thumb , which started me saying that to begin with , the link has something to do with my name and what it means , and how the thumb is supposed to be the one digit that somehow allows us as humans to be more advanced as those beings without the opposible thumb..so I agree!!

I'm a bit obsessed, too, with that idea.
We are MAN = Latin 'manus', hand.

[Kilgore Trout]

I'm a bit obsessed, too, with that idea.
We are MAN = Latin 'manus', hand.

Defiantly! through my post history in the religious areas , I make mention over the past two years about the "fingers on God's hand" idea , cool you see too. I love to think what it might all mean...

[Jackson Holly]

Defiantly! through my post history in the religious areas , I make mention over the past two years about the "fingers on God's hand" idea , cool you see too. I love to think what it might all mean...

Yep ... I think we are on the same page with this ... an old post:


JACKSON:

  "It is clear that life on Earth, however the 'software' got here, has been instructed to move forward toward evermore complex configurations, in a trial-and-error manner, to eventually create a 'platform', ie, a physicality, and an environment conducive to consciousness-with-a-purpose. On this planet, with the elements at hand, etc, an oxygen powered, upright, bipedal, stereoscopic, child-rearing species with fine-tuned hands and a large brain filled the bill.

It's the HANDS.

     "With the fairly recent breakthroughs in understanding of the electric nature of the universe, the total inter-connectivity of star systems, galaxy clusters, etc ... it has become clear to me that the universe-at-large operates electrically in much the same way as our brain ... as a matter of fact, why would our brains NOT mimic the MACROBRAIN of the cosmos? The galaxies can now be seen as MACROCELLS communicating with one another as do our microbrain cells. In the eternal electric universe, the DNA code for life is everywhere.

  "I can now see that here on Earth the code is constantly 'informed' ... updated if you will ... from impulses from the cosmic intelligence, guiding, designing the advance of consciousness ... for what purpose we are yet to decipher."

[Kilgore Trout]

Very good post , and yes we agree. and something can be said about how our brainwaves may connect with the patterns and waves of other human beings too.

[Kilgore Trout]

And, what a handful we've become.

That's pretty good.

[agentbluescreen]

Personally I think of the Omega Theory (of Everything) as some sort of faulty neo-apocalyptic logic that merely tries to be a bit more positive about it's (destructive) conclusions. There is no evidence nor confirmable experimentation that could demonstrate that the accumulation of knowledge (data) could ever run out of finite space to exist within the infinite universe.

It's flaw is in falsely describing it's atheistic 'big bang' creation (the antecedent marriage of all loveliness to all belovedness themselves Itself) as having been a "causeless" event. This vacancy of understanding of the antecedent attractive causalities of All Being conceptualization (the goal of The All Itself), results in an end to it all, with no reason nor purpose other than some sort of illusory mega-self-realization that can no longer contain itself due solely to the supposed sheer quantity of the bounty of it's own mysteries.

We must view such dead end logic with suspicion. All else in the physics of nature are cyclical goal oriented processes.

Needless to say our loving, intellectually cognizant "human" family have a long, long way to go to run out of things to understand and the places and means to keep such.

[crutley]

I can find some reason to agree that we could be part of a larger entity’s brain - be that entity be called God, Allah, Gaia or whatever else you want to call it. But the scale of the universe makes me realise that our entire species is not even the seed of an initial spark of a thought that is yet to be in that brain. We haven’t even gotten off our own planet yet and started to colonise our own solar system. I feel that we will at least have to start colonising the rest of our galaxy (a cell or a single atom in this brain as some have suggested) to get anywhere near being an initial thought in this entity’s brain.

But I don't see this realisation of our current insignificants as a negative thing. I see it as a calling card to have a goal to make something more of ourselves than what we are doing right now by sitting on our fat behinds on this little rock that we call Earth whilst thinking that we are at the centre of the universe and that everything revolves around us and what we do in our current very little lives.

[Kilgore Trout]

I would rather be a good steward of humanity , our earth and the life we have here for along time before I think we should take our ridiculous current cultural apathy to another part of the universe.

[crutley]

I would rather be a good steward of humanity , our earth and the life we have here for along time before I think we should take our ridiculous current cultural apathy to another part of the universe.

I understand your point of view but I feel that if everyone adopts that then in 4 billion years time when the Sun turns into a red giant star and engulfs the earth and evaporates the last traces of humanity - we would not have progressed enough to matter (or even still be around at that point) if we all adopted such a sentiment. If we did then I foresee that the entire history (future and past) of our species existence would be no more than a small chemical anomaly in one minuscule atom within that brain - never even progressing to the first seeds of a single small thought.

[Kilgore Trout]

I also understand what you are saying here...
I guess as far as posterity goes , it seems egoic for me to want to have it continue ad infinitum , of course this changes upon my mood , I do have two children so I may be somewhat concerned with legacy. I don't believe in an afterlife or identity beyond that which is informed by the flesh so I think I might put less value on actual sustenance , and believe me , I know this was a convoluted if not nihilistic view , I have yet to have my second cup of coffee

[Jackson Holly]

Great thread crutley ... thanx for it! I am really
enjoying everybody's thoughts on the 'big brain'
concept. For me, I guess, the central question
is whether or not the universe is conscious, has
direction, design and purpose. I think it does,
and this comes without a framework of any religion ...
I used to call myself agnostic and that may still
be the best description of my understanding.

And ... I don't see this intelligent/conscious
entity as 'ONE' thing. I believe strongly in
individuality ... even cells are self-contained
individuals for the most part who work together
as a 'community' a 'family'. I believe that the moment
when we start thinking of ourselves as just a minute
cog in the wheel with no power, no purpose is the
moment we turn to nihilism ... embracing death
and the dark side rather than life affirmation.

[crutley]

Great thread crutley ... thanx for it! I am really
enjoying everybody's thoughts on the 'big brain'
concept. For me, I guess, the central question
is whether or not the universe is conscious, has
direction, design and purpose. I think it does,
and this comes without a framework of any religion ...
I used to call myself agnostic and that may still
be the best description of my understanding.

And ... I don't see this intelligent/conscious
entity as 'ONE' thing. I believe strongly in
individuality ... even cells are self-contained
individuals for the most part who work together
as a 'community' a 'family'. I believe that the moment
when we start thinking of ourselves as just a minute
cog in the wheel with no power, no purpose is the
moment we turn to nihilism ... embracing death
and the dark side rather than life affirmation.

I feel that a lot of peoples’ beliefs can cause them to be lazy in respect to thinking beyond the box - mainly because a lot of it teaches them that they are the centre of the universe and everything revolves around them and what they do in the here and now. If we are a minuscule microbe living on the surface of a neutron (Earth) revolving around a small single atom (the Sun) witch is part of a single cell (the Milky Way) that makes up just one of the neurons in this being's brain then I think it is in our best interests to think outwardly. We need to expand and stop thinking about this neutron (Earth) because its life expectancy is limited in universal terms. What better way to get closer to this being (if it is some sort of God's brain we are part of) than to progress and expend our species until we do dominate a whole cell (a galaxy). Maybes then, our wishes would actually become thoughts in this being's mind. Until then I think they are far, far less to this being than a brief thought about scratching my nose is to me.

[Kilgore Trout]

I view it in a less pragmatic way. I think more about consciousness and the infinity of the mind's ability rather than to actually physically conquer or even journey to the outer places , I'm more on and inclined about the inner places.

To seek the infinity of mind , is to know the infinity of the universe. The mind itself is so powerful , no need to trouble myself with actual travel when in fact the microcosm is the macrocosm. It's a matter of freeing up that great part of the mind that is locked up.

[crutley]

I view it in a less pragmatic way. I think more about consciousness and the infinity of the mind's ability rather than to actually physically conquer or even journey to the outer places , I'm more on and inclined about the inner places.

To seek the infinity of mind , is to know the infinity of the universe. The mind itself is so powerful , no need to trouble myself with actual travel when in fact the microcosm is the macrocosm. It's a matter of freeing up that great part of the mind that is locked up.

Yeah but I've always felt that adopting that point of view always leads me to think about why our species ever even bothered to leave that valley in Africa or learn how to use fire. We should have just sat crossed legged in our trees and meditated all day and everything we have today would have just fell on us using only the ‘power’ of our own minds.

[Kilgore Trout]

What do we really have? I mean yes antibiotics , emergency medicine , and the novelty of technology. I think most of the rest of our "progress" is completely unnatural anyway.

[Freeski]

Most of our resources go into "systems". Everything is planned.
And we pay for it whether we like it or not.
Not a good deal.

[Jackson Holly]

Folks have been pondering these very questions for centuries ... and longer.
One writer that I am VERY interested in right now is Edgar Allan Poe. Of
course he is best known for his spooky tales, but he also wrote quiet a
bit on psychology and cosmology. He was a magazine editor and a literary
critic as well. He stood in contrast to the transcendentalism and spiritualism
of the day ... and many of his concepts were far in advance of his times.
This is his short piece MESMERIC REVELATION - startling ruminations about
the 'universal mind' of God, touching on many of the themes in our thread:

http://psychclassics.yorku.ca/Poe/mesmeric.htm

[crutley]

It seems that everyone is translating this in their own way. Guess that's okay. Perhaps that's the way it is meant to be. Nature's law of Survival of the Fittest I suppose. From what I've learnt of this reality so far, it seems to strive on competition and it looks like this little 'epiphany' that I had is doing exactly the same thing with people translating it in their own way.

Therefore, I still won’t budge from my opinion that we must get off this rock and expand into the cosmos. I don't believe that sitting here and meditating and making do with what we have is beneficial to the long term survival of our species. I believe the universe is good at clearing up unneeded waist that is of no benefit to it and I think that's what we'll become if we all adopted such attitudes.

This doesn’t mean that we all have to become like the Rothchilds or start destroying everything like in the BP oil spill. We move forward with constant vigilance, seeing each new frontier to explore as an investment in our species’ future.

[Jackson Holly]

Therefore, I still won’t budge from my opinion that we must get off this rock and expand into the cosmos.

Yep ... but easier said than done. And we can't let our explorations (science?)
be the means of our own destruction.

[crutley]

Yep ... but easier said than done. And we can't let our explorations (science?)
be the means of our own destruction.

Yes and the same can be said of those who wish to do those explorations (mediation?) within their own minds.