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« Reply #80 on: January 12, 2011, 09:12:35 PM »
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"I must tell you mathematicians are not scientists, they are artists. Apart from the most elementary mathematics like arithmetic or high school algebra, the symbols, formula's and words of mathematics have no meaning at all. The entire structure of pure mathematics is a monstrous swindle. Simply a game, a reckless prank. You may ask are there no renegades to reveal the truth?" " Yes of course, but the facts are so incredible that no one takes them seriously. So the secret is in no danger."
   
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"What is government if words have no meaning?"   

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Re: Assassins murder anti-Safeway Amendment Federal Judge at a Safeway Store
« Reply #81 on: January 12, 2011, 09:17:21 PM »
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"I must tell you mathematicians are not scientists, they are artists. Apart from the most elementary mathematics like arithmetic or high school algebra, the symbols, formula's and words of mathematics have no meaning at all. The entire structure of pure mathematics is a monstrous swindle. Simply a game, a reckless prank. You may ask are there no renegades to reveal the truth?" " Yes of course, but the facts are so incredible that no one takes them seriously. So the secret is in no danger."
   
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"What is government if words have no meaning?"   

-Jared Lee Loughner  (allegedly)


These quotes are miles apart and trying to fit them together is like trying to slam a round peg in a square hole.

Both these patsies seem to have been influenced by mind control experiments, but the level of intellectual capacity between the two seems vast.
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Re: Assassins murder anti-Safeway Amendment Federal Judge at a Safeway Store
« Reply #82 on: January 12, 2011, 09:23:15 PM »
Regarding "words have no meaning", it is "true" in the Orwellian sense.

I put true in quotes because unlike the mantra, perception is NOT reality.
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Re: Assassins murder anti-Safeway Amendment Federal Judge at a Safeway Store
« Reply #83 on: January 12, 2011, 09:26:30 PM »
Can Loughner Be Charged as a Domestic Terrorist?

Why bother?

He is eligible for the federal death penalty for killing Roll and the Intern who are both employees of the Federal Government, the intern being "on duty".

If a Federal Grand Jury can't get a death sentence, the State of Arizona will try for the death penalty for each of the six victims.  Without a doubt, at least one out of those six juries will give a death sentence.  Jurors are more likely in Arizona, than any other state, to issue a death sentence.  After Ring V. Arizona, jurors decide life or death, and jurors almost always choose death.

If Loughner won't be killed by fellow inmates in MEDIUM security prison, his patsy ass will get the needle by the end of this decade.



I bet CAESAR III or w/e A.I. program TPTB are using will decide that civilian courts will be the best method to scuttle this mind-controlled goon. ;D

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Re: Assassins murder anti-Safeway Amendment Federal Judge at a Safeway Store
« Reply #84 on: January 12, 2011, 09:31:54 PM »
Officials: Frenetic Morning For Rampage Suspect
AMANDA LEE MYERS, Associated Press


POSTED: 2:41 pm MST January 12, 2011
UPDATED: 5:55 pm MST January 12, 2011
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TUCSON, Ariz. -- For Jared Loughner, the morning of the deadly shooting rampage was a blur of activity.

He hustled to Walmart twice. He ran a red light, with the officer letting him off with a warning. Back home, he grabbed a black bag from the trunk of a family car and fled into the desert on foot, his suspicious father giving chase.

Later, Loughner took a cab to a Safeway supermarket and began squeezing off round after round into the crowd.

The new details of the Walmart visits and the traffic stop emerged Wednesday, adding to the picture of the last frenetic hours the 22-year-old spent before the attack Saturday that gravely wounded his apparent target, Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, and killed six others.

"It sounds like he was pretty busy that morning," Pima County sheriff's Capt. Chris Nanos said.

As Giffords' condition improved in an intensive care unit Wednesday, all federal judges in the state recused themselves from the case to avoid any future questions about their impartiality, given that one of their colleagues, John Roll, was killed in the rampage.

President Barack Obama flew to Arizona and met privately with Giffords and other victims still being treated at the University Medical Center. The president was to speak at a nighttime memorial service.

The new details about the way Loughner spent the morning showed a harried young man dashing from store to store across this southern Arizona city in the hours before the shooting that shocked the country.

Nanos said Loughner made two trips to Walmart and made some purchases. He declined to specify whether Loughner purchased ammunition.

At some point, an officer with the Arizona Game and Fish Department saw Loughner run a red light on a road that runs parallel to Interstate 10 around 7:30 a.m. and pulled over his 1960s dark gray Chevy Nova, authorities said.

The stop was about 6 miles from the Safeway store, agency spokesman Tom Cadden said.

Wildlife officers don't usually make traffic stops unless public safety is at risk, such as running a red light. The officer took his driver's license and vehicle registration information but found no outstanding warrants and let him go.

"All he saw were some fast food wrappers, no black bag," Cadden said. "The officer said he was polite and subdued."

Loughner had a valid license and insurance and the car was registered, agency spokesman Jim Paxon said. "He was warned and released because we had no probable cause to hold, or do an extensive search."

Sometime later, Loughner was back at his house on a block of low-slung homes with palm trees and cactus gardens.

Loughner removed a black bag from trunk of the family car. His father, Randy, saw him, and asked him what he was doing, said Rick Kastigar, chief of the department's investigations bureau.

Jared then ran off into the nearby desert, only to emerge later from a cab at the Safeway supermarket where Giffords was holding an event to listen to constituents' concerns, authorities said.

Hours after the attack, sheriff's deputies swarmed his home and removed what they describe as evidence he was targeting Giffords, including handwritten notes in a safe that read "I planned ahead," ''My assassination" and "Giffords."

Among the notes was one with the words "Die, bitch," which authorities believe was a reference to Giffords.

Nanos said the writings were either in an envelope or on a form letter Giffords' office sent him in 2007 after he signed in at one of her "Congress on Your Corner" events - the same kind of gathering where the shooting occurred.

Investigators, however, are still searching for the black bag.

"What he did and the morning before the shooting, we're just trying to find all that out. Naturally, we want to find every detail we can," Nanos said, adding that Loughner may have made other stops that morning but could not specify what they were.

Later Wednesday, documents were released revealing details of the Loughner family's encounters with the Pima County Sheriff's Department and Jared's run-ins with police at Pima Community College in Tucson.

The college records detail Loughner's increasingly bizarre behavior last year, culminating with his suspension in September. The 51 pages of campus police reports, obtained under an open records request, described a series of classroom outbursts and confrontations that prompted worried instructors to summon campus officers.

Loughner's behavior grew from disruptive to deranged over time, but never violent, according to the reports. In one, dated Sept. 23, an officer called to quiet an outburst described Loughner as incomprehensible, his eyes jittery, his head awkwardly tilted.

"He very slowly began telling me in a low and mumbled voice that under the Constitution, which had been written on the wall for all to see, he had the right to his 'freedom of thought' and whatever he thought in his head he could also put on paper. ... His teacher 'must be required to accept it' as a passing grade," the officer wrote. "It was clear he was unable to fully understand his actions."

In a poetry class, he made comments about abortion, wars and killing people, then asked: "Why don't we just strap bombs to babies?"

Sheriff's reports detailed nine contacts officers had with Loughner or one of his parents, from May 1994 to March 2010. The first with Jared Loughner came in September 2004, when he reported that a fellow student pricked him with a needle.

In May 2006, police arrested Loughner on a misdemeanor charge of being a minor in possession of alcohol. He was taken from his high school to a hospital because he was drunk on vodka he had taken from his father's liquor cabinet

"He advised he drank the alcohol because he was very upset as his father yelled at him," the report said. "I could see his eyes were very red and he was crying."

Loughner had a strained relationship with his parents, those who knew the family said.

In September 2007, Loughner was cited on a misdemeanor charge of drug possession after officers found two marijuana pipes, remnants of a joint and rolling papers in a van he was in with another teenage boy.

The officer who interviewed him reported that Loughner first denied having any contraband.

"I asked if I could search him. He said he had a right to say no," the officer wrote in a police report. But soon after, Loughner admitted to having a pipe in his pocket and apparently cooperated with the officer.

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Re: Assassins murder anti-Safeway Amendment Federal Judge at a Safeway Store
« Reply #85 on: January 12, 2011, 09:33:54 PM »
College Reports Show Loughner Breakdown In 2010

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TUCSON, Ariz. -- Police records from an Arizona community college show a year of turmoil for shooting suspect Jared Loughner and detail his increasingly erratic behavior that led to his suspension in September.

   CLICK HERE: PDF: Pima Community College Police Report 51 pages

The Pima Community College police reports released Wednesday reveal a growing level of alarm over Loughner's classroom outbursts. A September report says Loughner became incomprehensible when questioned by an officer, and his face became jittery and contorted.

He stunned instructors with bizarre outbursts. In a poetry class, he asked "why don't we just strap bombs to babies?"

Loughner has been charged in Saturday's shooting rampage in Tucson that left six dead and 13 injured, including Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.

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Re: Assassins murder anti-Safeway Amendment Federal Judge at a Safeway Store
« Reply #86 on: January 12, 2011, 09:39:47 PM »
So what did he do in the desert?

From the desert, with the black bag, to a cab and then Safeway. There's a piece missing. (not that having a taxi stand is the desert is a bad idea or anything!)

But according to BTT's post, the traffic stop was before the incident with pops that made him run into the desert.
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Re: Assassins murder anti-Safeway Amendment Federal Judge at a Safeway Store
« Reply #87 on: January 12, 2011, 10:22:44 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/user/2Ploy

Discovered this while reading Pima College Police reports.

(police reports) on PDF Page 37
http://www.kpho.com/download/2011/0113/26473024.pdf



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Pima Community College School – Genocide/Scam – Free Education – Broken United States Constitution

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfGk-S93Z0Q

This school is with a majority of illiterate students that are in a genocide country. The teachers are illiterate. The debt that is in charge is illegal. I don’t trust in god. First Amendment – Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Fifth Amendment – No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. Section 10 – Powers prohibited of States (Gold and Silver) No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility. Section 8 – To promote the …

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Re: Assassins murder anti-Safeway Amendment Federal Judge at a Safeway Store
« Reply #88 on: January 12, 2011, 10:24:39 PM »
Loughner wrote (allegedly) in one of his YouTube videos - "If I'm the mind controller  then I control the belief and religion.

- Action
- Thought
- Location
- Food"

Could this be in some way related to a directive that had been planted in his mind - to go to that particular "location" and perform that particular "action"? What is the main thing sold at Safeway? "Food"? Just speculation, but it just seems strange to me that he would write those words.

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Re: Assassins murder anti-Safeway Amendment Federal Judge at a Safeway Store
« Reply #89 on: January 12, 2011, 10:27:39 PM »
The police report actually has screenshots of his YouTube channel 2Ploy

He actually cites the United Nations Charter in one of the video descriptions!

Will the media spin machine attack him for rambling about the UN Charter?  That's not very "right-wing" now, is it Slimeball Potok?

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Re: Assassins murder anti-Safeway Amendment Federal Judge at a Safeway Store
« Reply #90 on: January 12, 2011, 10:34:54 PM »
Ted Kaczynski was in MKULTRA when he was 16.
Nevertheless, Ted Kaczynski was in MKULTRA when he was 16.
Timothy McVeigh said he had a microchip in his butt.
Thus, Timothy McVeigh said he had a microchip in his butt.
Jared Lee Loughner looks like a victim of mind control.
Therefore, Jared Lee Loughner looks like a victim of mind control.
Kaczynski, McVeigh and Loughner all have the same defense attorney.
Hence, Kaczynski, McVeigh and Loughner all have the same defense attorney.


That's just a little joke, but it's pretty much the format of the alleged Loughner rants.
Does anyone else suspect these rants may have been created by a bot?

WTF?
War Is Peace - Freedom Is Slavery - Ignorance Is Strength


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Re: Assassins murder anti-Safeway Amendment Federal Judge at a Safeway Store
« Reply #91 on: January 12, 2011, 11:05:59 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/user/2Ploy

Discovered this while reading Pima College Police reports.

(police reports) on PDF Page 37
http://www.kpho.com/download/2011/0113/26473024.pdf



Video has been taken down by user

Pima Community College School – Genocide/Scam – Free Education – Broken United States Constitution

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfGk-S93Z0Q

This school is with a majority of illiterate students that are in a genocide country. The teachers are illiterate. The debt that is in charge is illegal. I don’t trust in god. First Amendment – Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Fifth Amendment – No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. Section 10 – Powers prohibited of States (Gold and Silver) No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility. Section 8 – To promote the …

He fits the profile of another mind controlled patsy assassin...


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Homeland Security:
Lone wolves are America's biggest danger


By Kimberly C. Moore Staff writer
Published: Monday, January 10, 2011 at 7:32 p.m.
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The U.S. Department of Homeland Security has been warning for nearly two years that "lone wolves and small terrorist cells embracing violent right-wing extremist ideology are the most dangerous domestic terrorism threat in the United States."

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Saloon-keeper John Schrank shot Theodore Roosevelt on Oct. 13, 1912, as he was preparing to give a speech. Roosevelt gave the speech, saying, "It takes more than one bullet to bring down a Bull Moose." Schrank was found legally insane and institutionalized.

This one is absolutely fascinating. It seems to be a heck of a bit of American history that everyone should research. Here is a summary of a report on the matter written in 1912. It seems that he was deeply influenced by a secret order as well. Looks like it may be the Oriental Orthodoxy Order, but not sure. It also seems to relate to the coerced manipulations of a deep false collapsing of lawful petitioning of greivances with radical and violent anti-government distorted dogma. This may be one of the very first mind controlled assassins on US soil who has a limited link to the "Order" that controlled him. But through his extensive writing, there could be much uncovered. It is oddly coincidental that his insane and demented mind was donated to a Jesuit University upon his death. It looks like the new model of this type of patsy assassin is not given as much rights to his mind so therefore wild and random gibberish covers up links to controllers. Or maybe the guy was just a nutcase. Anyway, here is the summary report:

We have limited the scope of our investigations to the questions that we have been asked to determine and summarize briefly: John Schrank, age 36 years, single, barkeeper and saloon keeper, and of limited educational opportunities, with insane heredity (see Exhibit 5), was born in Bavaria, on March 5, 1876, and came to this country twelve years later. Apparently he developed normally, but early in life showed a particular fondness for the study of the histories of this and other countries, and also for the composition of poetry. In the course of his studies of history, and especially of the Constitution of the United States, and of Washington's Farewell Address, he developed the belief that this Republic is based upon the foundation of four unwritten laws, to which he also refers as the "Four Sacred Traditions," as is more fully set forth in the preceding report.

In 1901 he had a very vivid dream, which at that time he recognized as only a dream, the memory of which has frequently recurred to him ever since. In the course of a pre-convention campaign, the belief that the four unwritten laws or the "Four Sacred Traditions" are in danger comes to him, and later, upon the nomination of a presidential candidate by the Progressive Party, he begins to attach particular significance to the dream he had in 1901. He meditates deeply upon this and, in the course of a few weeks there appears to him a vision accompanied by a voice which, in effect, commands the killing of the man through whose acts and machinations he believes the sacred traditions to be endangered, and who, he also believes is, through a conspiracy, concerned in the assassination of a former president. He continues to ponder upon the subjects set forth, awaiting the appearance of a person who would carry out the act suggested by the vision, but shortly arrives at the conclusion that he, and not someone else, is the chosen instrument. He at once sets forth to accomplish his mission, following his victim until he finally comes up with him.  During his examination as to his sanity, he conducts himself in perfect accord with his beliefs, and expresses a regret at not having died at the hands of the mob if such a result would have proven of benefit to his chosen country.

THE ATTEMPTED ASSASSINATION of EX-PRESIDENT 1912 http://www.gutenberg.org/files/21261/21261-h/21261-h.htm
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Shooting suspect had scrapes with authorities, with emotions running the gamut

TUCSON, Ariz. — Jared Lee Loughner, it is now becoming clear, was no stranger to run-ins with authorities — even a few hours before the shooting rampage he is charged with committing at a Tucson shopping center.

His behavior ranged from "subdued" — as he was described by an officer who stopped him for running a red light early Saturday — to angry and intimidating, as when he yelled at an instructor who gave him a B in Pilates at Pima Community College, according to school records.

On Wednesday, the Arizona Game and Fish department said one of its officers had let Loughner go with a warning after the traffic stop. And Pima College officials released 51 pages of Loughner's files, including his redacted transcript, and documents with granular details about his increasingly bizarre interactions with students, teachers and school officials.

Instructors and public safety officials began keeping an eye on Loughner in February, according to a campus police report, after an outburst in his advanced poetry writing class. The teacher reported that his classroom comments were a "huge leap from the context" of a poem that they had been discussing and that he said "things about abortion, wars, killing people" and at one point uttered "'why don't we just strap bombs to babies."

Division Dean Patricia Houston described Loughner as "creepy" and having a "dark personality," the report said, and told campus police that another student had informed them that Loughner may have been carrying a knife. At the time campus police checked Loughner's background for warrants or other criminal history, finding that he had "some prior drug involvement" but "no warrants or anything of immediate concern." Campus police concluded at that time that additional contact with Loughner was not necessary, records show.

Two months later in April, school officials responded to the Northwest Campus library to check Loughner's "welfare." The college's library director said Loughner had been making loud noises while working on the school computers. When the officer asked Loughner about his behavior, he said he'd been listening to music and that it wouldn't happen again.

Loughner's final days at the college were marked by an incident on Sept. 23, when a biology instructor called college police at 7:31 a.m. According to an incident report, the instructor told police that Loughner disrupted the class "when she told him that he would only receive half credit on an assignment because it was late."

Loughner's protests grew louder, one officer wrote in his report, and Loughner said his freedom of speech was being taken away, though he had trouble verbalizing his distress. Another officer said Loughner's head "tilted to the left with a confused look in the countenance of his face. His eyes focused down at his homework and he showed a sustained bobbing of the eyes while looking to his upper left side during questioning."

In a low, mumbling voice, Loughner, who appeared bewildered that police were involved, said that under the Constitution, he had the right to his " 'freedom of thought,' and whatever he thought in his head he could also put on paper. By placing his thoughts within his homework assignment, his teacher 'must be required to accept it' as a passing grade," according to campus police records.

On Sept. 29, campus police found a YouTube video in which Loughner proclaimed the college "unconstitutional," records show.

The title of the video, which has since been deleted, is "Pima Community College School-Genocide/Scam-Free Education Broken-United States Constitution." It was uploaded on Sept. 23 under the username "2PLOY," the same day Loughner officers interviewed him after he disrupted his biology class, according to police records.

The video showed the college campus, and the narrator said:

"We are examining the torture of students . . . This is my genocide school. Where I'm going to be homeless because of this school . . . I haven't forgotten the teacher that gave me a B for freedom of speech . . . Thank you . . . . This is Jared . . . From Pima College."

According to the campus police report, one of the officers who watched the video "positively recognized the voice and the reflection in the window" as Loughner's. That officer was one of two who had escorted Loughner from his biology classroom on Sept. 23.

Hours after they discovered the video, two campus officers pulled up to the Loughner home, with two others nearby as backup. Randy Loughner invited the officers into the garage, where they spoke with the two men and informed them of Jared's suspension. Jared, wrote the officer, "held a constant trance of staring as I narrated the past events." Jared eventually broke his silence, the officer wrote, and said: "I realize now that this is all a scam.'"

The college transcript, which covers Loughner's career from summer 2005 to summer 2010, shows he took courses for credit in a wide range of subjects — philosophy, logic, psychology and computers, plus American sign language I and II and at least five writing classes. He also took some non-credit courses, including Country Swing in a Nutshell and Tai Chi for Beginners.

On the morning of the attack on U.S. Rep Gabrielle Giffords and others, according to law enforcement reports, Loughner had been target shooting in the desert, where he was stopped by a Game and Fish officer for running a red light.

Game and Fish Department officials said an officer on patrol in the desert about six miles from the Safeway found himself behind the 1969 Nova driven by Loughner.

Lougher stopped at a light in front of the officer, then, with traffic light, "he crept through the red light." said Game and Fish spokesman Jim Paxon.

The officer, whom Paxon did not identify, pulled Loughner over.

The officer approached Loughner's car, Paxon said. By then, the young man had his license, registration and insurance out and handed it to the officer, who had a dispatcher check the documents, which were valid.

"Mr. Loughner was very polite and very subdued," Paxon said.

The officer also visually inspected the car and "saw nothing to give him probable cause to do an extended search or detain the subject," Paxon said.

Loughner received a warning, then went on his way. The interaction took no more than 10 minutes.

When Loughner's name was released following the shooting, the officer remembered the ticket and informed investigators from the Pima County Sheriff's Office and the FBI, who interviewed him about the incident, Paxon said.

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When did he shave off his hair and eyebrows? Did he do it before being pulled over for running the red light? I don't imagine they would let him do that after he was in custody. I'm just curious as to if he did it on the day of his apotheosis, or shortly before. I haven't heard this mentioned in any article yet.

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When did he shave off his hair and eyebrows? Did he do it before being pulled over for running the red light? I don't imagine they would let him do that after he was in custody. I'm just curious as to if he did it on the day of his apotheosis, or shortly before. I haven't heard this mentioned in any article yet.
Yeah, why haven't we heard of any of the witnesses describing what he looked like? Did I miss that memo / article? :P
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In September 2004, when Loughner was 16 and a student at Mountain View High school, Loughner was stuck in the arm by a classmate with a needle, sheriff's records show. The report said Loughner was standing in the cafeteria with friends when a classmate walked by and plunged a needle into his arm between his elbow and his shoulder.

Loughner, said the report "started to become pale, got dizzy could not stand and had to be helped to a nurse's office by another friend," the report said. After talking to his parents, the young man told officers he did not want to press charges. His parents did, however, want the young man who poked him to be tested "to see if he has HIV or any other kind of disease," the records show.

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Odd.  ???


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Here is one story that mentions his shaven-head as if it were prior to the shooting...

Loughner's dad feared he was 'out of control,' neighbor says

Tucson, Arizona (CNN) -- The father of Arizona massacre suspect Jared Lee Loughner had a front-yard argument with his son the morning of the killings and had told a neighbor the 22-year-old was "out of control," according to neighbors and investigators.


The shaven-headed youth had quit a community college in October after being suspended and had been warned not to come back without a mental health evaluation. Postings attributed to Loughner on websites including MySpace and YouTube show "classic signs of psychosis," one expert told CNN
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Loughner had complained for years about U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords -- the apparent target of Saturday's bloodbath, according to a law enforcement official.

Loughner is now accused of killing six people and wounding 13, including Giffords, who remained in critical condition with a head wound Wednesday. Among the dead were Arizona's presiding federal district judge, a Giffords aide, a 9-year-old girl and three of constituents who had come out for Giffords' "Congress on the Corner" open house at a local Safeway supermarket.

The morning of the shooting, he had argued with his father, Randy Loughner, in the front yard of their Tucson home, Richard Kastigar, the head of the Pima County Sheriff's Department's investigations bureau, told CNN's "John King USA." The younger Loughner was in the front yard with a bag, possibly a backpack, when his father asked him what he was doing with it, Kastigar said.

"Jared mumbled something back to his dad, and his dad said he didn't understand what was said. It was unintelligible," Kastigar said. "And then Jared left. The father followed. The father got in his vehicle and tried to locate his son and followed the direction that he went and he could not locate his son."

Randy Loughner thought his son "went into the desert some place," Kastigar said. But by Saturday afternoon, he and his wife returned home to find police waiting for them, neighbor Stephen Woods said.

"His hand went on his head. He seemed very upset. His wife was crying. I assume that's when they told him," Woods said. Randy Loughner "was just holding his head, saying, 'No. No.' "

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Odd.  ???

Brocke,

That was my first thought--odd, and he didn't want to press charges but his parents did.
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Loughner earlier arrested for graffiti

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/01/10/Loughner-earlier-arrested-for-graffiti/UPI-68681294700079/?pvn=1#ixzz1AqHPXilP

TUCSON, Jan. 10 (UPI) -- The suspect in the mass shooting in Tucson was cited in October 2008 for defacing a street sign with symbols, records show.

Jared Loughner, 22, of Tucson is accused of the shooting spree that left six dead and a number wounded, including Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz.

In 2008, Loughner denied any involvement with the graffiti to a police officer, but in a second interview, told police the letters he had painted meant "Christian," The Arizona Republic reported Monday.

The newspaper said the officer wrote of the incident, "I asked Loughner the meaning of his moniker. He stated that the 'c' meant Christian and the 'x' also meant Christian," adding in parentheses, "As personally written by Loughner on my field interviewing notebook!"

The report said Loughner also admitted to other graffiti, always using a marker.

Loughner was driving a 1969 Chevy Nova Oct. 13, 2008, the Republic said, when a witness saw him get out of the car and write a symbol on a street sign. The witness got his license-plate number, the report said.

Records show the case was dismissed on Dec. 9, 2008, after Loughner completed a diversion program.

The Republic said court records indicate Loughner is 5 feet 10 inches tall, weighs 135 pounds and has blue eyes and brown hair.


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Re: Public gets Shock and Awed by Uncle Fester to distract from the crime scene
« Reply #100 on: January 13, 2011, 02:42:33 AM »
Brocke,

That was my first thought--odd, and he didn't want to press charges but his parents did.

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"In conclusion, reading the second United States constitution I can't trust the current government because of the ratifications: the government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar," he wrote in one piece posted to YouTube. "No! I won't pay debt with a currency that's not backed by gold and silver! No! I won't trust in God!"


If average people thought that truthers were crazy for talking about the Constitution, the Federal Reserve or Gold & Silver, what will they think now? The more MSM they are exposed to the more they will fear truthers for being crazed killers.


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Re: Public gets Shock and Awed by Uncle Fester to distract from the crime scene
« Reply #101 on: January 13, 2011, 02:43:27 AM »
I found an article that says he did not have a shaven head!!!


Jared Lee Loughner Identified As Gabrielle Giffords Shooter (INFO, VIDEOS)


Jared Lee Loughner has been identified as the man suspected of shooting Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.).

Loughner was described by eyewitnesses at the Arizona shooting as a young white man who looked like a "fringe character," in his mid-to-late 20s, clean-shaven with short hair and wearing dark clothing.

Loughner was quickly arrested after he allegedly shot Giffords and some 12 others at a public event at a Safeway grocery store in Tucscon. He reportedly shot the congresswoman "point blank" in the head and may have come from inside the store. He attempted to flee after running out of ammunition and was tackled by one of Giffords' staffers.

A MySpace page belonging to a "Jared Lee Loughner," age 22, of Tucson, was taken down. A YouTube account also exists in his name.

Here's what was listed on his MySpace page before it was removed:

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Re: Public gets Shock and Awed by Uncle Fester to distract from the crime scene
« Reply #102 on: January 13, 2011, 02:53:54 AM »
I found an article that says he did not have a shaven head!!!




Ahhh, maybe that's what the talk of a second shooter was all about. Plausible Deni-ability. They can claim there was confusion early in the reporting.


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Re: Public gets Shock and Awed by Uncle Fester to distract from the crime scene
« Reply #103 on: January 13, 2011, 03:00:49 AM »

Ahhh, maybe that's what the talk of a second shooter was all about. Plausible Deni-ability. They can claim there was confusion early in the reporting.

The reports, if I remember correctly, they were looking for an older gentlemen/possible accomplice, in his 50s--hence the cab driver that was taken in for questioning--then released.
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Re: Public gets Shock and Awed by Uncle Fester to distract from the crime scene
« Reply #104 on: January 13, 2011, 03:07:23 AM »
As event was actually out of doors in forn of the Safeway according to Brocke's diagrams, real "accomplices" could have been snipers hidden at some distance.

Might not have been anyone near him.

No eveidence he was capable of this by himslef.

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« Reply #105 on: January 13, 2011, 03:10:57 AM »
The reports, if I remember correctly, they were looking for an older gentlemen/possible accomplice, in his 50s--hence the cab driver that was taken in for questioning--then released.

Curiouser and curiouser...


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As event was actually out of doors in forn of the Safeway according to Brocke's diagrams, real "accomplices" could have been snipers hidden at some distance.

I believe that is a distinct possibility. What are the odds that this goofball would manage to get a kill shot off on a little girl born on the exact day of September 11, 2001? It stinks to high heaven.

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Re: Public gets Shock and Awed by Uncle Fester to distract from the crime scene
« Reply #107 on: January 13, 2011, 03:48:55 PM »
I believe that is a distinct possibility. What are the odds that this goofball would manage to get a kill shot off on a little girl born on the exact day of September 11, 2001? It stinks to high heaven.

Plus, he's good at arithmetic.  In addition to the 9 year old girl, he got:

http://www.wtae.com/r/26412682/detail.html

Judge, 63; and four women, aged 30, 76, 76, 79.

9 + 63 + 30 + 76 + 76 + 79 = 333.


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Re: Public gets Shock and Awed by Uncle Fester to distract from the crime scene
« Reply #108 on: January 13, 2011, 04:28:23 PM »

As event was actually out of doors in forn of the Safeway according to Brocke's diagrams, real "accomplices" could have been snipers hidden at some distance.

Might not have been anyone near him.

No eveidence he was capable of this by himslef.


Your statement is an interesting hypothesis. Could there have been another shooter on a roof top 100 meters across the parking lot?

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« Reply #109 on: January 14, 2011, 02:00:14 AM »
There probably was a 2nd shooter. How good a shot was Loughner? Do we know that? Where did he learn to shoot? At home? At a gun club? Was he good or bad at hitting targets?

Like the case in the German shooting I mentioned somewhere in the Loughner threads. You had a guy who was a absolutely bad shot killing his targets with precision. They had to make up stories to explain his elite skills, that need years and years of training away. He was 19 or 23 I think. So first they said oh he had a shooting range in his basement... turned out to be false then oh he played ego shooters and trained that way... a total laughable statement. So we had a bad shot that killed 16 people with precision hits. Witnesses described 2 different shooter yet the media and the government always pushed the one shooter story with all the nonsense added to explain the things away that didn't fit.

So how good a shot was Loughner? He hit how many people with how many shots fired? Was it like 30 shots 26 hit? I don't remember.

Funny sidenote... the spell check always wants to change Loughner to Loner....

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« Reply #110 on: January 14, 2011, 02:27:39 AM »
At least with Oswald there was a ready made legend -- "Marine sharpshooter/marksman".

Where is ther the least bit of evidence this kid could have pulled this off on his own?

Did he even have a playstation growing up?

Shooting a real pistol is quite a bit different.

It all smells like bullshit.

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« Reply #111 on: January 14, 2011, 02:52:46 AM »
Two weird anagrams with that name:

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Re: Public gets Shock and Awed by Uncle Fester to distract from the crime scene
« Reply #112 on: January 14, 2011, 03:55:12 AM »
There probably was a 2nd shooter. How good a shot was Loughner? Do we know that? Where did he learn to shoot? At home? At a gun club? Was he good or bad at hitting targets?

Like the case in the German shooting I mentioned somewhere in the Loughner threads. You had a guy who was a absolutely bad shot killing his targets with precision. They had to make up stories to explain his elite skills, that need years and years of training away. He was 19 or 23 I think. So first they said oh he had a shooting range in his basement... turned out to be false then oh he played ego shooters and trained that way... a total laughable statement. So we had a bad shot that killed 16 people with precision hits. Witnesses described 2 different shooter yet the media and the government always pushed the one shooter story with all the nonsense added to explain the things away that didn't fit.

So how good a shot was Loughner? He hit how many people with how many shots fired? Was it like 30 shots 26 hit? I don't remember.

Funny sidenote... the spell check always wants to change Loughner to Loner....

A case this can be compared to is Port Arthur massacre (Tasmania, Australia) least populated State in the country carried out on the grounds of a former penal colony.

People thought the gunshots were re-enactments.  This is the kicker; a mentally disturbed loner with an IQ of 66 killed 35 people. W-T-F...

He was only referred to as Martin Bryant, no middle name.


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Re: Public gets Shock and Awed by Uncle Fester to distract from the crime scene
« Reply #113 on: January 14, 2011, 05:29:22 AM »
A case this can be compared to is Port Arthur massacre (Tasmania, Australia) least populated State in the country carried out on the grounds of a former penal colony.

People thought the gunshots were re-enactments.  This is the kicker; a mentally disturbed loner with an IQ of 66 killed 35 people. W-T-F...

He was only referred to as Martin Bryant, no middle name.


Excellent point mr anderson! Bryant was so disabled mentally that he signed a confession in exchange for TV viewing privileges!!! To this day no one has interviewed him. He was handled by a Tavistock psychiatrist Dr. Eric Cunningham Dax.

Mass Murder In Australia: Tavistock's Martin Bryant by Allen Douglas/Michael Sharp Suggesting Martin Bryant was Mind Controlled
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« Reply #114 on: January 14, 2011, 05:34:49 AM »
Wow, I have heard other Australians state they believed that was or might have been a gov't. psyop to bring in new firearm restrictions. Was that the case? What do you guys think?

I still think that may have been the motive or one of the motives of this latest psyop in the U.S.

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« Reply #115 on: January 14, 2011, 05:45:06 AM »
Excellent point mr anderson! Bryant was so disabled mentally that he signed a confession in exchange for TV viewing privileges!!! To this day no one has interviewed him. He was handled by a Tavistock psychiatrist Dr. Eric Cunningham Dax.

Mass Murder In Australia: Tavistock's Martin Bryant by Allen Douglas/Michael Sharp Suggesting Martin Bryant was Mind Controlled
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"Mentally disabled" description always reminds me of the Reichstag Fire.



Reichstag Fire "Lone Nut" Marinus van der Lubbe, finally gets his name cleared.
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It took 75 years, but the Reichstag Fire patsy, Marinus van der Lubbe, has been exonerated of his "crime". The Guardian covered the news on January 12, 2008, and the New York Times mentions it today, 7 paragraphs into this article.

The innocence of van der Lubbe has been common knowledge to some for decades, and the truth of his "crime" was popularized by William Shirer in his classic book, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" back in 1960;

"That it was a crime, a Communist crime, they proclaimed at once on arrival at the fire. Goering, sweating and puffing and quite beside himself with excitement, was already there ahead of them (Hitler, President von Hindenburg, etc.) declaiming to heaven, as Papen later recalled, that "this is a Communist crime against the new government." To the new Gestapo chief, Rudolf Diels, Goering shouted, "This is the beginning of the Communist revolution! We must not wait a minute. We will show no mercy. Every Communist official must be shot, where he is found. Every Communist deputy must this very night be strung up."

The whole truth about the Reichstag fire will probably never be known. Nearly all those who knew it are now dead, most of them slain by Hitler in the months that followed. Even at Nuremburg the mystery could not be entirely unraveled, though there is enough evidence to establish beyond a reasonable doubt that it was the Nazis who planned the arson and carried it out for their own political ends.

From Goering's Reichstag President's Palace an underground passage, built to carry the central heating system, ran to the Reichstag building. Through this tunnel Karl Ernst, a former hotel bellhop who had become the Berlin S.A. leader, led a small detachment of storm troopers on the night of February 27 to the Reichstag, where they scattered gasoline and self-igniting chemicals and then made their way quickly back to the palace the way they had come. At the same time a half-witted Dutch Communist with a passion for arson, Marinus van der Lubbe, had made his way into the huge, darkened and to him unfamiliar building and set some small fires of his own. This feeble-minded pyromaniac was a godsend to the Nazis. He had been picked up by the S.A. a few days before after having been overheard in a bar boasting that he had attempted to set fire to several buildings and that he was going to try the Reichstag next.

The coincidence that the Nazis had found a demented Communist arsonist who was out to to do exactly what they themselves had determined to do seems incredible but is nevertheless supported by the evidence. The idea for the fire almost certainly originated with Goebbels and Goering. Hans Gisevius, an official in the Prussian Ministry of the Interior at the time, testified at Nuremburg that "it was Goebbels who first thought of setting the Reichstag on fire," and Rudolf Diels, the Gestapo chief, added in an affadavit that "Goering knew exactly how the fire was to be started" and had ordered him to prepare, prior to the fire, a list of people who were to be arrested immediately after it."


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Will we have to wait this long for Oswald to be cleared? How about the 9/11 nineteen?

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« Reply #116 on: January 14, 2011, 12:34:50 PM »
Who is Loughner?

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« Reply #117 on: January 14, 2011, 03:29:31 PM »
Who is Loughner?

The following video was given to me by an unknown source. I can neither affirm or deny the contents nor have they been vetted in any way. I submit this as one of many in order that the questions stated here begin to be asked and investigated by those in a position to do so. --Kerry Cassidy, Project Camelot
http://projectcamelotproductions.com/mediafiles/video/hankepankebernanke.mp4

Do we need to keep asking the hard questions and digging for the truth? You bet.  But secret meetings between Bernanke and Loughner???

Unlikely in the extreme.  Just a silly distraction, IMO, without a shred of evidence or logic to support it.
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« Reply #118 on: January 14, 2011, 07:05:16 PM »
A Walgreens in Tuscon, Ariz. turned over to police racy photos of gunman Jared Loughner with a Glock and a G-string that were taken to the store to be developed the night before the shooting rampage that left six people dead and 14 wounded.

The Pima County Sherriff's Office confirmed to ABC News they had received the photographs from the store and turned them over to the FBI.

The photos, presumably shot in a mirror, show Loughner, 22, posing with the same make of gun he allegedly used in the Jan. 8 shooting. In the photos he holds the pistol against his crotch and buttocks while wearing a bright red thong, sources told ABC News.

The sheriff's office today released a comprehensive timeline of the shooter's activities leading up to the rampage. Loughner dropped a roll of 35mm film off at Walgreens to be developed last Friday night.

Police also revealed Friday that Loughner had posted a message that read "Goodbye friends" about six hours before the shooting.

Loughner is accused of opening fire on a crowd outside a Tucson supermarket last Saturday. Among the victims in the shooting were critically injured Rep. Gabrielle Giffords. He also killed a federal judge and a 9-year-old girl.

Giffords was rushed to a hospital, where she remained in critical but stable condition and is expected to make a recovery. Doctors say they may remove her breathing tube over the next few days.

"We're confident she's making some progress now," said Dr. Michael Lemole Jr., chief of neurosurgery at the University of Arizona Medical Center, said today at a news conference.

Lemole said that Giffords, who was shot in the head during a shooting rampage Saturday, is opening her eyes more frequently and is beginning to "carry out more complex sequence of events and activity" both when prompted and on her own volition.
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« Reply #119 on: January 14, 2011, 07:12:52 PM »

The accompanying video on the page solidifies the notion that the PTB are characterizing this event as another 9/11.  Of course, instead of pointing out the nonsense of this disgusting tactic, the lamestream media instead spouts on about Uncle Fester wearing a thong playing with his pee-shooter... pun intended.

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