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Another case where you don't know the motive or what group the shooter or shooters are associated with.
The shooter or shooters had The Communist Manifesto with Mein Kampf together on his myspace and youtube page.
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 475872 United States 1/8/2011 11:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation Congresswoman was a radical socialist willing to engage in mass murder to force her agenda on the American people Quote The Congresswoman voted for Obamacare... When Obamacare goes into effect in 2014 you will be required to staple proof of insurance to your taxes. If you don't you will be fined. If you don't pay the fines someone will eventually knock at your door. When you tell them to go away they will kick your door in. When you defend your home they will shoot you dead in front of your family. The media is trying to portray the Congresswoman as some kind of moderate but the cold reality is she was a radical socialist willing to engage in mass murder to force her agenda on the American people. Anonymous Coward User ID: 1219130 United States 1/8/2011 11:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation Re: Congresswoman was a radical socialist willing to engage in mass murder to force her agenda on the American people Quote And yet the ONLY Death Panels are IN Arizona, approved by the Republican Arizona Legislature and signed by the Republican Arizona Governor. And the Arizona Death Panel has already voted to allow 3 people to die. Anonymous Coward User ID: 1222892 United States 1/8/2011 11:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation Re: Congresswoman was a radical socialist willing to engage in mass murder to force her agenda on the American people Quote The Congresswoman voted for Obamacare... When Obamacare goes into effect in 2014 you will be required to staple proof of insurance to your taxes. If you don't you will be fined. If you don't pay the fines someone will eventually knock at your door. When you tell them to go away they will kick your door in. When you defend your home they will shoot you dead in front of your family. The media is trying to portray the Congresswoman as some kind of moderate but the cold reality is she was a radical socialist willing to engage in mass murder to force her agenda on the American people. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 475872 BUMP Anonymous Coward User ID: 1219130 United States 1/8/2011 11:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation Re: Congresswoman was a radical socialist willing to engage in mass murder to force her agenda on the American people Quote Arizona Death Panel Claims Another Victim - Rick Ungar - The ... Jan 5, 2011 ... Tucson University Medical Center has confirmed that a patient who was refused a liver transplant due to Arizona Governor Jan Brewer's ... blogs.forbes.com/.../01/.../arizona-death-panel-claims-another-victim Patient Cut From Transplant List Dies: Arizona's Death Panel ... Jan 6, 2011 ... Controversial Arizona Budget Cut Hopes to Save $1.4M By Denying Transplants to 99 People, Two Have Already Died Read more by Neil Katz on ... www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20027668-10391704.htmlArizona Death Panels: State Revokes Funding for Heart Transplants ... Nov 17, 2010 ... I guess if you live in Arizona you do have to stand in front of a death panel so the bureaucrats can decide if you're really deserving of a ... www.endpoliticsasusual.com/.../arizona-death-panels-state-revokes-funding-for-heart-transplants-opts-to-save-squirrels/ http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1316166/pg1------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Of course I believe it was wrong -- totally wrong for the shooters (plural) to do what they did (I can't empahasize that enough). However, let's not make this Congresswoman an instant hero just yet. Don't worry the MSM will take care of that anyway soon enough -- so fast it will make your head spin. Good work CitizenX. Thiproves that you can trust no one. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 475872 United States 1/8/2011 11:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation Congresswoman was a radical socialist willing to engage in mass murder to force her agenda on the American people Quote The Congresswoman voted for Obamacare... When Obamacare goes into effect in 2014 you will be required to staple proof of insurance to your taxes. If you don't you will be fined. If you don't pay the fines someone will eventually knock at your door. When you tell them to go away they will kick your door in. When you defend your home they will shoot you dead in front of your family. The media is trying to portray the Congresswoman as some kind of moderate but the cold reality is she was a radical socialist willing to engage in mass murder to force her agenda on the American people. Anonymous Coward User ID: 1219130 United States 1/8/2011 11:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation Re: Congresswoman was a radical socialist willing to engage in mass murder to force her agenda on the American people Quote And yet the ONLY Death Panels are IN Arizona, approved by the Republican Arizona Legislature and signed by the Republican Arizona Governor. And the Arizona Death Panel has already voted to allow 3 people to die. Anonymous Coward User ID: 1222892 United States 1/8/2011 11:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation Re: Congresswoman was a radical socialist willing to engage in mass murder to force her agenda on the American people Quote The Congresswoman voted for Obamacare... When Obamacare goes into effect in 2014 you will be required to staple proof of insurance to your taxes. If you don't you will be fined. If you don't pay the fines someone will eventually knock at your door. When you tell them to go away they will kick your door in. When you defend your home they will shoot you dead in front of your family. The media is trying to portray the Congresswoman as some kind of moderate but the cold reality is she was a radical socialist willing to engage in mass murder to force her agenda on the American people. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 475872 BUMP Anonymous Coward User ID: 1219130 United States 1/8/2011 11:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation Re: Congresswoman was a radical socialist willing to engage in mass murder to force her agenda on the American people Quote Arizona Death Panel Claims Another Victim - Rick Ungar - The ... Jan 5, 2011 ... Tucson University Medical Center has confirmed that a patient who was refused a liver transplant due to Arizona Governor Jan Brewer's ... blogs.forbes.com/.../01/.../arizona-death-panel-claims-another-victim Patient Cut From Transplant List Dies: Arizona's Death Panel ... Jan 6, 2011 ... Controversial Arizona Budget Cut Hopes to Save $1.4M By Denying Transplants to 99 People, Two Have Already Died Read more by Neil Katz on ... www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20027668-10391704.htmlArizona Death Panels: State Revokes Funding for Heart Transplants ... Nov 17, 2010 ... I guess if you live in Arizona you do have to stand in front of a death panel so the bureaucrats can decide if you're really deserving of a ... www.endpoliticsasusual.com/.../arizona-death-panels-state-revokes-funding-for-heart-transplants-opts-to-save-squirrels/ http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1316166/pg1------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Of course I believe it was wrong -- totally wrong for the shooters (plural) to do what they did (I can't empahasize that enough). However, let's not make this Congresswoman an instant hero just yet. Don't worry the MSM will take care of that anyway soon enough -- so fast it will make your head spin. this has nothing to do with her. It has to do with the judge and more importantly it has to do with no investigation into a mass murder in broad daylight in the US. In Arizona. There were 6 people summarily executed with extreme prejudice by a psychotic elite that has the power to stop all investigations, run TV propaganda 24/7, create division concerning inconsequential speculations, confiscate all audio/video, mind control witnesses, erase the memory of witnesses, control the local police, control the federal investigation, control the gossip about a massacre on American soil as if no one has the right to speak about it unless they tow the line, utilize the massacre for more draconian laws, etc. she is such an insignificant piece of the overall tyranny this represents. Anyone supporting the second amendment or supporting the constitution in the judicial branch has been put on notice that the elite can just come in and execute our judges in broad dayilight while terminating the life of another 5 citizens. And all three branches are not discussing the true anti-government operation this truly was. They are not discussing the trilateral terrorists who despise our judicial branch of government with a passion. |
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« Reply #804 on: January 09, 2011, 08:11:12 AM » |
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Repeal of the Deathcare Bill was postponed? That is amazing! Does anyone know who likely played one of the biggest roles in writing the deathcare bill?
Today, a large group of employers and business leaders are joining to form the Coalition to Advance Healthcare Reform. We agree that any lasting solution must be based on five core principles. First… market forces… consumer orientation and transparency… Second… every American should be required to carry health insurance… Third… assistance for low-income individuals… Fourth… health-care plans must be designed to promote healthy behavior… prevention and wellness… full-care management programs for those with chronic and acute conditions… Finally… individuals must be able to purchase health care in the same tax-advantaged way as businesses do… Together we can force action and results from policies that create market-based solutions that solve the cost and coverage problems in this country. http://www.washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20070506-095007-6584r.htmSome of the coalition members: PepsiCo, General Mills, Pacific Gas and Electric, Wm. Wrigley Jr. Co., The Kroger Co., Aetna, Blue Shield of California, Cigna HealthCare, Eli Lilly and Co. and PacifiCare. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-health7may07,0,4141456.story?coll=la-home-headlines---------------------- Comment: By Don McCanne, MD We emphatically welcome the business community into the national dialogue on reform. But does this effort really advance reform? Burd’s proposal is an individual mandate to purchase unaffordable or inadequate private insurance, using regressive tax policies, with greater administrative excesses of care management programs, and it depends on the fiction of consumer cost management through transparency. Burd’s bird will never fly.
He isn't a doctor or a senator, but Steve Burd played a crucial role in the recent health-care debate. The ordinarily low-profile exec, 60, appeared repeatedly on Capitol Hill to describe the health and financial benefits of the grocery chain's unconventional wellness program, which includes lower insurance premiums for nonunion employees who maintain healthy blood-pressure and cholesterol levels and don't smoke. Burd insists that the company's health-care costs rose just 2% from 2005 to 2009 compared to a nearly 40% increase for most companies. "The Safeway amendment" -- a provision that increases the incentives companies can pay healthy employees -- is now law. Fresh off the victory, Burd launched Safeway Health, a subsidiary that designs similar wellness plans for other companies.
Rewards-based plan design and execution. In 2003 Safeway endured especially acrimonious labor strike concerning cuts to workers' health benefits. By 2005 Burd was guiding Safeway through a total benefit re-org. Abandoned tradition of corporations that pay for a set percentage of every worker's healthcare benefits, regardless of behavior. Offered to cover as larger portion of costs for non-union workers who agreed to live "well." (Why should Safeway equally subsidize the worker who smokes and the worker who does yoga?) Uses HSAs as carrot and stick: first $1,000, Burd funds; next $1,000 comes out of employee's pocket. Then employee's minority-obligation (e.g. 20%) for next stage of costs gets triggered. Company is a standard-bearer for how to align the financial interests of workers with their health -- and with the company's bottom line. Burd says Safeway's healthcare costs have remained flat since 2005. Now pushing for price transparency on medical procedures.
All the surveillance videos ain't gonna be voluntarily provided. So a judge who likely would agree with many others about various anti-constitutional provisions in the deathcare bill is publicly executed in a property owned by the author of the deathcare bill. That is an amazing coincidence! NOTHING TO SEE, MOVE ALONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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« Reply #805 on: January 09, 2011, 08:17:24 AM » |
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« Reply #806 on: January 09, 2011, 08:27:41 AM » |
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« Reply #807 on: January 09, 2011, 08:28:03 AM » |
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They are reporting the little girl was born on 9/11.
Yup, the 9/11 false flag has been murdered to make way for a New Dawn of false flags. It has already been reported about 10 times on this thread. There are likely going to be 1,000 other distracting items to shock and awe us into confusion, anger, fear, sadness, etc. Anything the elite can do to stop rational and logical investigation into the assassination of a constitutional judge at a moment when an anti-constitutional piece of legislation is being exposed. And he was murdered at the property of the author of that anti-constitutional piece of legislation. We are not allowed to examine that, we must be emotionally shocked into subservience by the 24/7 mind control BS on the idiot box. |
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In other words, don't disagree with your government; discourse and debate is bad M'Kay....it'll make evil guns kill people, M'Kay. http://edition.cnn.com/2011/US/01/09/arizona.shooting.rhetoric/(CNN) -- The tenor of American political rhetoric became a centerpiece in the national debate over Saturday's attack by a gunman in Tucson, Arizona, that killed six persons and left local Democratic congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords with a bullet wound to the brain. Public leaders and others expressed sorrow about "a tragedy for the entire country," as President Obama put it -- a total of 18 persons allegedly shot by 22-year-old Jared Lee Loughner. But officials also voiced dismay Saturday over the possibility that highly polarized rhetoric in the conservative hotbed of Arizona may have played a role in the assassination attempt of the Democratic congresswoman, who was targeted during a meet-and-greet with constituents in a shopping center. A federal judge, a girl age 9, and four other persons died in the mass killing. While not stating a motive for the shootings, Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik in Tucson used a nationally televised press conference to condemn the tone of political discourse in his state. He charged that public debate is now "vitriolic rhetoric," which has rendered Arizona "the mecca for prejudice and bigotry." Dupnik suggested that such rhetoric can have deadly consequences.
"We need to do some soul searching," Dupnik told reporters. "It's the vitriolic rhetoric that we hear day in and day out from people in the radio business and some people in the TV business.
"When you look at unbalanced people, how they respond to the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government, the anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on in this county is getting to be outrageous. Unfortunately, Arizona, I think, has become sort of the capital," Dupnik continued.[/b] "We have become the mecca for prejudice and bigotry," Dupnik said. Arizona is a Republican stronghold where the party members hold a two-thirds majority in both chambers of the legislature and occupy the governor's office. Dupnik is a Democrat. "People who are unbalanced may be especially susceptible to vitriol," Dupnik said. "It's not unusual for all public officials to get threatened constantly, myself included. That's the sad thing that's going on in America. Pretty soon we're not going to be able to find reasonable people to subject themselves to serving the public." Dupnik returned to the theme later in the press conference. "People tend to pooh-pooh this business about the vitriol that inflames American public opinion by the people who make a living off of that. That may be free speech but it's not without consequences," Dupnik said. Last March, Giffords raised concerns about inflammatory rhetoric after her office was vandalized, and she cited how her name appeared on a website titled "take back the 20" as part of a list originally issued by Sarah Palin against vulnerable House Democrats. A map on the site showed crosshairs over the contested Democratic districts. Palin first posted the list in March 2010, naming 20 House members who voted for health care reform and represented districts that Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona won in the 2008 presidential election. At the time, Giffords responded to the map by saying on MSNBC that her long-serving colleagues had "never seen anything like it." "The thing is, the way that she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district," Giffords said in March. "When people do that, they've got to realize there's consequences to that action." On Saturday, Palin posted a message on her Facebook page: "My sincere condolences are offered to the family of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and the other victims of today's tragic shootings in Arizona. On behalf of Todd and my family, we all pray for the victims and their families, and for peace and justice." Tom Fuentes, a former FBI assistant director who's a CNN contributor, described Dupnik's remarks as "a very emotional response by a very frustrated, hurt sheriff." When media cover "hateful" public statements by officials or television personalities, those remarks are often framed as "they're exciting their base," Fuentes said. "Law enforcement executives out there know, like this sheriff, that it also excites the lunatic fringe," Fuentes told CNN. "In this country, we have no shortage of mentally unbalanced people, and it seems in case after case, they have no trouble obtaining firearms. So when they go over the edge and go public and try to initiate an attack, this is what happens." Arizona state Rep. Matt Heinz, a Democrat and a Tucson physician, supported Dupnik's remarks. "I think he is very, very correctly calling attention to some of the vitriol and some of the ways we're talking about each other," Heinz told CNN. "For those with troubled minds, sometimes some of those things that are said are unfortunately taken in the wrong way." Arizona state Rep. Steve Farley, a Democrat from Tucson, said that the country now faces a challenge of overcoming polarizing politics. His political aide witnessed the shootings and applied pressure to Giffords' wounds, he said.
"The question is can we come together as a state and can we come together as a country and sort of put this harsh hyper-rhetoric that has caused people who are a little unhinged in the first place to go over the edge," Farley told CNN. "This country is something that deserves no less than a politics that rises above violence," Farley said. Public officials spoke of the tragic nature of the shootings, in which authorities said they are also seeking a second man as "a person of interest." But officials inevitably broached the rancor of national politics. In fact, the U.S. House of Representatives agreed Saturday that it will cease any discussion next week about repealing President Obama's health care reforms -- a law opposed by many Arizona Republicans and voters in a November ballot measure -- and instead address Saturday's shootings. Tea Party Express Chairman Amy Kremer said she was saddened by the mass shooting. <<NOTE SARCASTIC TONE>>"These heinous crimes have no place in America, and they are especially grievous when committed against our elected officials," Kremer said. "Spirited debate is desirable in our country, but it only should be the clash of ideas. An attack on anyone for political purposes, if that was a factor in this shooting, is an attack on the democratic process. We join with everyone in vociferously condemning it." U.S. Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, D-Missouri, chairman of the congressional black caucus, said he was "shocked and devastated by the tragic events of this day." "Even though we do not have all the answers yet, we are all too familiar with the violent and polarizing climate in which we live," Cleaver said. "There is no place in American society for such senseless and terrible acts of extreme violence. Those of us in leadership must be overly cautious of fanning the flames of extremism in hopes to prevent another horrendous tragedy such as this." U.S. House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer, D-Maryland, called the attacks "cowardly." "Our form of government, like all human things, is imperfect and flawed, but one of its greatest virtues is its power to resolve questions of the greatest import without violence," Hoyer said. Rev. Al Sharpton, president of the National Action Network and a former Democratic presidential candidate, also expressed alarm about the direction of political rhetoric. "In church services tomorrow, clergymen ought to address the senseless violence that has too often raised its head of late in the social and political discourse of this country," Sharpton said. Jeff Rogers, the Pima County Democratic Party chairman, made a plea for "civilized discourse." "There's just a tremendous amount of anger right now, a lot of people fomenting that anger," Rogers said. "We maybe need to re-examine a lot of things. For instance, one of the first things on the table at the state legislature this year is putting guns in schools. How crazy is that, given what we've seen here today? And I think we just need to have a more civilized discourse in our politics in this country. This state as well," Rogers said. U.S. Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-New York, said he hoped that inflammatory speech will subside in the wake of Saturday's shootings. "We have no idea what his motivation was, but we do know that Congresswoman Gabrielle's campaign headquarters was shot at during the campaign last year. We do know that death threats were made against her," Nadler said. "Whenever you have violent political rhetoric, there could be some nut who will take up and reach a conclusion that the speakers didn't want," Nadler added. Any asshole with an extended magazine or two and a crowd of people could get that many hits at close range. It doesn't take a trained killer to be that effective. Some people would run, some people would duck down, some people would lay flat. The odds are for the shooter in a scenario like that unfortunately. Also unfortunately, this one act seems to have been the death knell for handguns, extended magazines, the death of obamacare, debate about a closed border, it has made it even more difficult to voice our concerns to our governments 'leaders,' because they now fear us and being in the public eye. So now they have even more reason to avoid us and not listen to our voices, no matter how right we are. I know a lot of the reps hated the town hall meetings, and now they have a solid reason to never have to do another one, or listen to an angry mob. I have a feeling they may try to do away with local offices altogether at some point now. Do you think this asshole would have been able to shoot 19 people?
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Someone get a screen capture of this, I bet it changes: Victims of the Tucson Shooting Rampage "Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said Saturday that he did not believe Giffords was the gunman's intended target." Copyright ©2011 CBS Interactive Inc. All rights reserved http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/01/08/national/main7226900.shtml |
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« Reply #810 on: January 09, 2011, 08:54:07 AM » |
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Something smells really fishy with this guy.
Especially the weird generic YouTube channel.
This smells of black ops.
They are looking to find anything to blame on the rising patriot movement in the US. Plus someone must have wanted that Judge knocked off too.
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« Reply #811 on: January 09, 2011, 09:04:24 AM » |
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« Reply #812 on: January 09, 2011, 09:12:13 AM » |
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I just saw a picture of the "Second Suspect" on TV. Can anyone find it online and post it here?
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I did not hear that he was shot? Are you sure about that? (well, I guess I should ask... are you sure that the media spin is saying that he was shot?). If this is way old news... sorry... trying to catch up. |
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Anti-Safeway Amendment Judge executed at a Safeway Store. You could not deliver a louder message to the true reason for this attack by anti-government radical fundamentalist trilateral terrorists. THIS IS WHAT NATO'S PRECISION STRIKE IS ALL ABOUT! |
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Greg Segalini, Christina's uncle, told the Arizona Republic that a neighbor was going to the Giffords constituent event and invited the girl along because she had just been elected to the student council and was interested in government. "The next thing you know this happened. How do you prepare for something like this? My little niece got killed - took one on the chest and she is dead," Segalini said outside the girl's house. Does anyone else think that this is a VERY ODD way to describe your niece's death? Also, the way the mother describes it is odd. She is very eloquent for someone whose child has just died in such a horrific manner. "She was born back east and Sept. 11 affected everyone there, and Christina-Taylor was always very aware of it. She was very patriotic and wearing red, white and blue was really special to her," her mother said. "She was all about helping people, and being involved. It's so tragic. She went to learn today and then someone with so much hatred in their heart took the lives of innocent people." Why would you talk about your child by her full name? Who would say "It's so tragic". She seems very distanced, dissociated from her daughter's death. |
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« Reply #817 on: January 09, 2011, 09:23:08 AM » |
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In other words, don't disagree with your government; discourse and debate is bad M'Kay....it'll make evil guns kill people, M'Kay.
Any asshole with an extended magazine or two and a crowd of people could get that many hits at close range. It doesn't take a trained killer to be that effective. Some people would run, some people would duck down, some people would lay flat. The odds are for the shooter in a scenario like that unfortunately.
Also unfortunately, this one act seems to have been the death knell for handguns, extended magazines, the death of obamacare, debate about a closed border, it has made it even more difficult to voice our concerns to our governments 'leaders,' because they now fear us and being in the public eye. So now they have even more reason to avoid us and not listen to our voices, no matter how right we are. I know a lot of the reps hated the town hall meetings, and now they have a solid reason to never have to do another one, or listen to an angry mob. I have a feeling they may try to do away with local offices altogether at some point now.
The old story about one shooter doing these type of false flags went out with Spector's magicv bullet theory in 1963. If there was one shooter they would not fear the ballistics report, they would not fear investigation, they would not hide all evidence and confiscate phones, and they would not be hunting a second shooter at least. There were likely at least 4 shooters, officially at least 2. The suff about the extended clip is pure bullcrap meant to use this massacre for anti-constitutional gun legislation when it has absolutely nothing to do with the events. |
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« Reply #818 on: January 09, 2011, 09:28:41 AM » |
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Now I just heard another source saying the Sheriff said the exact opposite. WTH?
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Myth surrounds reform’s ‘Safeway Amendment’ http://www.healthjournalism.org/blog/2010/01/myth-surrounds-reforms-safeway-amendment/Jan. 20th, 2010 by Chelsea Reynolds Throughout the health care reform process, politicians have held up Safeway’s health incentive program as a model for future government health plans. The supermarket chain’s program requires employees who fail basic health screenings for blood pressure, weight, and cholesterol to pay higher health insurance premiums. Safeway maintains that this policy encourages its employees to make healthy lifestyle changes to in turn lower their health care costs. The Washington Post’s David Hilzenrath looked into the grocer’s impact on proposed health reform plans. Hilzenrath reports on how misconceptions about Safeway’s wellness program could impact public health policy in the U.S. Senate’s proposed Safeway Amendment. Under a regulation advanced during George W. Bush’s administration, incentives conditioned on meeting wellness targets are limited to 20 percent of the premium – including employer and employee contributions to the premium. The Safeway Amendment would allow employers to increase the stakes to 30 percent, and it would give federal officials license to raise the limit to 50 percent. It would also allow insurers to use the same approach – initially in 10 states and potentially in others. Employers and insurers would be required to make exceptions for people with extenuating medical circumstances. Supporters of the amendment maintain that it will encourage private-sector employees to monitor and improve their health. Dissenting organizations, including the American Heart Association and the American Cancer Society, suggest that the legislation will unhinge a central tenet of health reform: That an individual’s health status will no longer impact premiums. Safeway credits its internal health plan for keeping the company’s health care costs nearly steady between 2005 and 2009. An external survey of 1,700 employers revealed that companies’ health care costs increased by 30 percent in the same time period, on average. Hilzenrath reports that “a review of Safeway documents and interviews with company officials show that the company did not keep health-care costs flat for four years. Those costs did drop in 2006 – by 12.5 percent. That was when the company overhauled its benefits, according to Safeway Senior Vice President Ken Shachmut.”
The Safeway Amendment is the Cybernetic Amendment. It allows employers to get DNA, blood, X-Rays, Catscans and determine how much you should pay. It allows 24/7 monitoring on your activities, what you eat, how you walk, what exercises you do, when , how often, who you are related to, what their health history is, what your domestic situation is, what your sexual affiliation is, etc. It is so f-ing anti-constitutional it is beyond reasonable doubt. |
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« Reply #820 on: January 09, 2011, 09:37:11 AM » |
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Greg Segalini, Christina's uncle, told the Arizona Republic that a neighbor was going to the Giffords constituent event and invited the girl along because she had just been elected to the student council and was interested in government.
"The next thing you know this happened. How do you prepare for something like this? My little niece got killed - took one on the chest and she is dead," Segalini said outside the girl's house.
Does anyone else think that this is a VERY ODD way to describe your niece's death?
Also, the way the mother describes it is odd. She is very eloquent for someone whose child has just died in such a horrific manner.
"She was born back east and Sept. 11 affected everyone there, and Christina-Taylor was always very aware of it. She was very patriotic and wearing red, white and blue was really special to her," her mother said.
"She was all about helping people, and being involved. It's so tragic. She went to learn today and then someone with so much hatred in their heart took the lives of innocent people."
Why would you talk about your child by her full name? Who would say "It's so tragic". She seems very distanced, dissociated from her daughter's death.
That does seem like a contrived statement, and not the sort of thing you would be thinking at that moment. You see the way they build up the patriotism, and then you have the evil hateful person. Actually it sounds real familliar. She was even born on Sept 11? What are the chances of that? |
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« Reply #821 on: January 09, 2011, 09:38:30 AM » |
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The fairness of health insurance incentives Many employers offer discounts to workers who take steps toward better health. This can cut costs and encourage wellness, but it could also penalize those who can't make the changes and yet will pay more in premiums. http://www.baltimoresun.com/health/la-he-health-incentives-20110103,0,7806873.storyBy Brendan Borrell, Special to the Los Angeles Times January 3, 2011 Wanna make a fast buck? Quit smoking. According to the National Business Group on Health, which represents large employers including Wal-Mart and Wendy's, about 68% of its members either offer a discount of several hundred dollars on health insurance premiums to employees who quit smoking, or provide other incentives or penalties to make it happen. The evidence is mixed on how well incentives like these work, but large employers are already embracing them to encourage good diets and exercise — with an eye toward keeping their employees from missing work and to keep health costs down. The revolution began with the approval of the so-called Safeway Amendment as part of President Obama's healthcare reform: This allows employers to provide employees reimbursement of up to 20% of insurance premiums (rising to 30% in 2014 or 50% with special approval) if they participate in reasonable wellness programs. The amendment got its name because of the outspoken support of Safeway Chief Executive Steve Burd, who wrote in a 2009 Wall Street Journal opinion piece that his company's Healthy Measures program was proof that incentives could cut our nation's healthcare costs by 40%. Some of Burd's claims, including the assertion that Healthy Measures had kept costs from rising, later proved to be not quite true. Now many critics say poorly designed wellness programs can introduce inequity into the healthcare system — when healthcare reform was supposed to reduce it. Wellness incentives are key but may unfairly shift healthcare costs to employees. Harald Schmidt is a health policy expert and Harkness Fellow at the Harvard School of Public Health in Boston, working on personal responsibility and health incentives. "In principle, I think wellness incentives are a good idea. But it all depends on how they are implemented. If the focus is on just reducing the cost of healthcare rather than improving health, then you may have a problem. The second issue is, we must make sure everybody has a reasonable chance of benefiting from incentive programs. We really have a problem if some find it much harder than others, and especially if we hold people responsible for things that are in fact beyond their control. Firstly, the evidence on whether or not incentives work is very mixed. We have evidence in some cases that they work well in the short term — boosting vaccination rates, for instance. In the longer term, it's less clear, and we can't make sweeping claims that they work in all areas. We can only find out by trying, but we have to make sure this is done in a fair way. "More troubling is the way these incentives can be structured. As it stands, the Safeway Amendment allows you to increase premiums for all employees by, say, $500. The employer will pay you back $500 if you meet certain targets; for example, if your body mass index is below 25. This is good for people who are already healthy: They have less-expensive premiums. It may also be a real incentive for those who want to change their behavior but don't quite have the motivation. But there are a lot of people who have tried to change their behavior and regularly fail, diets being a prime example. They now face an increased contribution of $500. The person who is already healthy will benefit; the person with underlying motivation benefits. But those who try but just can't meet standards? Tough luck. "The problem is, these incentives can hold people responsible for things beyond their control. Certainly a bad diet can contribute to obesity, but there are other genetic and environmental factors as well. Obesity and income also correlates in a clear way. Since poorer people are more likely to be obese, there's a potential double whammy: They may need to make higher insurance contributions and suffer the consequences of being obese. "And this also brings up another interesting question: Why should people get an advantage if they are healthy? If your aim is to use money as an incentive to promote better health, does it really make sense to give premium discounts to people who are healthy already?" Incentives can encourage good health and align the interests of the patient with those of the insurer and employer. Kevin Volpp is a physician and the director of the Center for Health Incentives at the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine and the Wharton School in Philadelphia. "The reality is that we have a healthcare financing system that pays to treat people once they are sick. There's a growing recognition that health behaviors are a major driver of premature mortality and healthcare costs. We need to rigorously test approaches that can better align incentives for patients with other interests of the health system, such as employers and insurers, so that resources go to keep people healthy. Wellness incentives are a piece of that and can be used in ways that provide positive feedback to patients. "Most people tend to be not very good at making trade-offs between immediate gratification and future health benefits. There's a probability that something bad will happen to them, but it's not definite, whereas the cost of changing a behavior is immediate and often requires a lot of effort. An incentive program can be helpful in areas like smoking, where it can help change the equation so people weigh the future consequences of their actions. "Indeed, in our study with GE employees, we provided financial incentives up to $750, which is approximately the annual cost difference between a smoking and nonsmoking premium. That incentive tripled the long-term smoking cessation rate, and in January 2010, GE decided to implement the program for all their employees. "I believe that these programs can be implemented fairly. Lower-wage workers tend to have higher rates of the health problems we're trying to fix: smoking and obesity. Consequently, offering programs for these conditions might disproportionately help lower-income people. I'm not sure why some people think they are going to be less likely to be helped. The same dollar amount may have a greater impact on a lower-income person. "One of the things that is unanswered is whether, when you do a program, you should offer awards based on achievement of outcome or effort. The evidence out there suggests that it is less effective to pay for effort than outcome. There are lots of reasons you can imagine simply showing up at a smoking cessation program doesn't work on its own — because many programs aren't that effective. Rewards for achieving better outcomes, on the other hand, seem to work quite well." |
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« Reply #822 on: January 09, 2011, 09:48:02 AM » |
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That is just Too, Creepy! http://www.youtube.com/user/giffords2 Get your screen shots while ya can. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords YouTube channel is subscribed to two channels, one of them being her attacker!
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« Reply #823 on: January 09, 2011, 09:48:42 AM » |
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Fat in Japan? You're breaking the law. http://ru-ru.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=176793472683TOKYO, Japan — In Japan, being thin isn’t just the price you pay for fashion or social acceptance. It’s the law. So before the fat police could throw her in pudgy purgatory, Miki Yabe, 39, a manager at a major transportation corporation, went on a crash diet last month. In the week before her company’s annual health check-up, Yabe ate 21 consecutive meals of vegetable soup and hit the gym for 30 minutes a day of running and swimming. [...] In Japan, already the slimmest industrialized nation, people are fighting fat to ward off dreaded metabolic syndrome and comply with a government-imposed waistline standard. Metabolic syndrome, known here simply as “metabo,” is a combination of health risks, including stomach flab, high blood pressure and high cholesterol, that can lead to cardiovascular disease and diabetes. Concerned about rising rates of both in a graying nation, Japanese lawmakers last year set a maximum waistline size for anyone age 40 and older: 85 centimeters (33.5 inches) for men and 90 centimeters (35.4 inches) for women. In the United States, the Senate and House health care reform bills have included the so-called “Safeway Amendment,” which would offer reductions in insurance premiums to people who lead fitter lives. The experience of the Japanese offers lessons in how complicated it is to legislate good health. Though Japan’s “metabo law” aims to save money by heading off health risks related to obesity, there is no consensus that it will. Doctors and health experts have said the waistline limits conflict with the International Diabetes Federation’s recommended guidelines for Japan. Meantime, ordinary residents have been buying fitness equipment, joining gyms and popping herbal pills in an effort to lose weight, even though some doctors warn that they are already too thin to begin with. The amount of “food calories which the Japanese intake is decreasing from 10 years ago,” said Yoichi Ogushi, professor of medicine at Tokai University and one of the leading critics of the law. “So there is no obesity problem as in the USA. To the contrary, there is a problem of leanness in young females.” |
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« Reply #824 on: January 09, 2011, 09:50:43 AM » |
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That does seem like a contrived statement, and not the sort of thing you would be thinking at that moment. You see the way they build up the patriotism, and then you have the evil hateful person. Actually it sounds real familliar. She was even born on Sept 11? What are the chances of that?
Dallas Green's granddaughter killedhttp://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=6004887The 9-year-old girl killed by a gunman who opened fire at an Arizona congresswoman's event is the granddaughter of former manager Dallas Green, the Philadelphia Phillies said Sunday. ... Dallas Green is a former pitcher and manager in the major leagues. He's an executive advisor for the Phillies, the team he managed to the World Series championship in 1980. He also managed the New York Yankees and New York Mets. |
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« Reply #825 on: January 09, 2011, 09:50:48 AM » |
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That is just Too, Creepy! http://www.youtube.com/user/giffords2 Get your screen shots while ya can. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords YouTube channel is subscribed to two channels, one of them being her attacker! Did anyone else see this? |
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« Reply #826 on: January 09, 2011, 09:50:55 AM » |
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That is just Too, Creepy! http://www.youtube.com/user/giffords2 Get your screen shots while ya can. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords YouTube channel is subscribed to two channels, one of them being her attacker! that is creepy |
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« Reply #827 on: January 09, 2011, 09:51:07 AM » |
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Sheriff blames free speech as likely cause of Arizona massacre * January 8th, 2011 9:01 pm PT In a press conference held hours after a deadly massacre in Arizona, Pima County Sheriff Clarence W. Dupnick targeted free speech as a likely cause of Saturdays shooting. Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was having a public event when 22-year-old Jared Lee Loughner reportedly approached the crowd and shot 19 people, killing Federal Judge Judge John McCarthy Roll and five others, including a young girl. Sheriff Dupnick initially outlined a sketch of the days events, explaining that Judge Roll had attended Catholic Mass at the nearby Cathedral early Saturday morning and had stopped by the event to say hello to Rep. Giffords. Sheriff Dupnik described Judge Roll, a former Pina County prosecutor, as a "sincere fair-minded brilliant federal judge" and "one of the finest human beings I've ever met in my life". Dupnik described Giffords, a three term Congresswoman, as an "incredibly gifted legislator, one of the nicest human beings ever planted on this earth." Reflecting further on the "horrendous, horrendous senseless unbelievable crime", Dupnik aimed his ire at radio and television programs: "And today I want to tell you that I hope that all Americans are saddened and as shocked as we are. And I hope that some of them or most of them are as angry as I am and as a lot of us are. And I think it's time as a country that we need to do a little soul searching. Because it's the vitriolic rhetoric that we hear day in and day out from people in the radio business and some people in the tv business, and what we see on tv and how our youngsters are being raised. That this has not become the nice United States of America that most of us grew up in. And I think it's time that we do the soul searching." The sheriff went on to explain that "two brave individuals at this crime scene tackled the suspect" whose name he could not reveal, despite the fact that Jared Lee Loughner's name had been released all over the internet worldwide hours earlier. He said the shooter had a troubled past and appeared at the scene with another indivudal. You can watch the press conference here. More: http://www.examiner.com/la-county-libertarian-in-los-angeles/sheriff-blames-free-speech-as-likely-cause-of-arizona-massacre
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« Reply #828 on: January 09, 2011, 09:52:46 AM » |
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Sheriff blames free speech as likely cause of Arizona massacre * January 8th, 2011 9:01 pm PT In a press conference held hours after a deadly massacre in Arizona, Pima County Sheriff Clarence W. Dupnick targeted free speech as a likely cause of Saturdays shooting. Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was having a public event when 22-year-old Jared Lee Loughner reportedly approached the crowd and shot 19 people, killing Federal Judge Judge John McCarthy Roll and five others, including a young girl. Sheriff Dupnick initially outlined a sketch of the days events, explaining that Judge Roll had attended Catholic Mass at the nearby Cathedral early Saturday morning and had stopped by the event to say hello to Rep. Giffords. Sheriff Dupnik described Judge Roll, a former Pina County prosecutor, as a "sincere fair-minded brilliant federal judge" and "one of the finest human beings I've ever met in my life". Dupnik described Giffords, a three term Congresswoman, as an "incredibly gifted legislator, one of the nicest human beings ever planted on this earth." Reflecting further on the "horrendous, horrendous senseless unbelievable crime", Dupnik aimed his ire at radio and television programs: "And today I want to tell you that I hope that all Americans are saddened and as shocked as we are. And I hope that some of them or most of them are as angry as I am and as a lot of us are. And I think it's time as a country that we need to do a little soul searching. Because it's the vitriolic rhetoric that we hear day in and day out from people in the radio business and some people in the tv business, and what we see on tv and how our youngsters are being raised. That this has not become the nice United States of America that most of us grew up in. And I think it's time that we do the soul searching." The sheriff went on to explain that "two brave individuals at this crime scene tackled the suspect" whose name he could not reveal, despite the fact that Jared Lee Loughner's name had been released all over the internet worldwide hours earlier. He said the shooter had a troubled past and appeared at the scene with another indivudal. You can watch the press conference here. More: http://www.examiner.com/la-county-libertarian-in-los-angeles/sheriff-blames-free-speech-as-likely-cause-of-arizona-massacre That guy really pissed me off last night.  |
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« Reply #829 on: January 09, 2011, 09:54:49 AM » |
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Did anybody go to the link that quoted the guy as saying he didn't think she was who the nut was going after? Is it still there?
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« Reply #831 on: January 09, 2011, 10:02:35 AM » |
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Sunday, January 17, 2010 Misleading claims about Safeway wellness incentives shape health-care bill http://healthcaregenocide.blogspot.com/2010/01/misleading-claims-about-safeway.htmlBy David S. Hilzenrath Washington Post Staff Writer Sunday, January 17, 2010; G01 It's a seductively simple solution to rising health-care costs. Require workers to pay higher premiums if they flunk tests for measures such as weight, blood pressure and cholesterol. Then, bingo: You not only get a fitter workforce, you slash medical expenses. Politicians of both parties have embraced that idea and expanded upon it in the Senate reform bill, inspired largely by the claims of Steven A. Burd, Safeway's chief executive. Burd says he has set an example for employers nationwide by rewarding employees for healthy behavior. "Safeway designed just such a plan in 2005 and has made continuous improvements each year," Burd wrote in the Wall Street Journal. "The results have been remarkable," he declared, adding that "our health care costs for four years have been held constant." If only that were true. In a legislative debate filled with misconceptions, few rival the myth about Safeway, which has become the poster company for a provision that big employers and insurers covet. [...] Rewarding or penalizing people based on wellness tests may save money over the long run, but Safeway hasn't proved it. In the meantime, based on 2009 data, if the Safeway Amendment becomes law, American families with average health benefits could have $6,688 a year riding on blood tests and weigh-ins. But a review of Safeway documents and interviews with company officials show that the company did not keep health-care costs flat for four years. Those costs did drop in 2006 -- by 12.5 percent. That was when the company overhauled its benefits, according to Safeway Senior Vice President Ken Shachmut. The decline did not have anything to do with tying employees' premiums to test results. That element of Safeway's benefits plan was not implemented until 2009, Shachmut said. After the 2006 drop, costs resumed their climb, he said. Even as Burd claimed last year to have held costs flat, Safeway was forecasting that per capita expenses for its employees would rise by 8.5 percent in 2009. According to a survey of 1,700 health plans by the benefits consultant Hewitt Associates, the average increase nationally was 6.1 percent. Today costs are slightly higher than in 2005, Shachmut said. So when Safeway said it had flatlined costs since 2005, "we defined that, you might say, loosely," he said. "Perhaps a more precise way to say it is that our costs today on a per capita basis are essentially the same as they were in 2005. "But by our internal definition, that's, that's flatlining." As for the steep increase in Safeway's expenses last year, the first year of its "Healthy Measures" incentive program, "we frankly did not have as much control over things as we should have," Shachmut said. Burd's assertions about the program's success made him a rock star on Capitol Hill. He pressed his case in briefings for Senate Democrats and Republicans and in a May meeting with President Obama. Leading policymakers have cited Safeway as a model. Take Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.).
"The Safeway program has proven so successful that the company wants to increase its incentives for rewarding healthy behavior. Unfortunately, current laws restrict it from doing so," McConnell said in a June speech on the Senate floor.
And then there is Sen. Thomas R. Carper (D-Del.), a co-sponsor of the Safeway Amendment. Safeway "figured out how to incentivize people to take better care of themselves, and they have flat-lined their health-care costs for 200,000 employees in the last four years," he told the Senate Finance Committee in September.
And Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), in an August town hall meeting: "You know, there's a guy who's gotten pretty famous lately, and he's the CEO of Safeway. . . . Safeway's health-care costs have gone down. Why can't we adopt that on a national scale? Why can't we reward people for practicing wellness and fitness?" Obama has repeatedly invoked Safeway's approach. "It's a program that has helped Safeway cut health-care spending by 13 percent and workers save over 20 percent on their premiums," he said in a June speech to the American Medical Association. "And we're open . . . to doing more to help employers adopt and expand programs like this one." When Obama delivered those remarks, the program was less than six months old, and by Safeway's own analysis the spending in question was on the upswing. * * * Today, employers can give workers any amount of money for participating in wellness programs, such as classes on how to lose weight or quit smoking. But there are limits on incentives tied to results -- actually losing the weight or kicking the habit. Under a regulation advanced during George W. Bush's administration, incentives conditioned on meeting wellness targets are limited to 20 percent of the premium -- including employer and employee contributions to the premium. The Safeway Amendment would allow employers to increase the stakes to 30 percent, and it would give federal officials license to raise the limit to 50 percent. It would also allow insurers to use the same approach -- initially in 10 states and potentially in others. Employers and insurers would be required to make exceptions for people with extenuating medical circumstances. Safeway's expanded incentives are rooted in a philosophy. "I have no problem with a smoker having a 10-pack-a-day habit and killing him or herself," Shachmut said. "I mean, it's a personal choice. It's a free country. I just don't want to have to pay the health-care costs of that personal choice." "And the same thing is true for obesity," he said. In the battle over the Safeway Amendment, a central question is: How big must rewards and penalties be to change behavior, and at what point do they merely shift costs? Safeway is not in a position to answer. Politicians tend to describe the incentives as rewards rather than penalties. But, as The Washington Post reported in October, some employers sharply raise deductibles for workers and then give them a chance to chip away at the newly inflated charges. "We structured it as a carrot, but I would quickly tell you that the carrot is nothing more than the mirror image of a stick, and vice versa," Burd told the Senate health committee in June. It would be difficult for premium incentives to drive overall trends for Safeway's workforce of about 200,000, because, according to company spokesman Brian Dowling, the program has been open to only 28,000 employees -- generally office workers rather than store personnel covered by union contracts. |
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« Reply #833 on: January 09, 2011, 10:07:02 AM » |
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That is just Too, Creepy! http://www.youtube.com/user/giffords2 Get your screen shots while ya can. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords YouTube channel is subscribed to two channels, one of them being her attacker! I think this is pretty weird. |
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« Reply #835 on: January 09, 2011, 10:11:10 AM » |
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That is just Too, Creepy! http://www.youtube.com/user/giffords2 Get your screen shots while ya can. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords YouTube channel is subscribed to two channels, one of them being her attacker! Whoa!  |
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« Reply #836 on: January 09, 2011, 10:11:37 AM » |
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All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately
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« Reply #837 on: January 09, 2011, 10:16:18 AM » |
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That is just Too, Creepy! http://www.youtube.com/user/giffords2 Get your screen shots while ya can. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords YouTube channel is subscribed to two channels, one of them being her attacker! This is huge. Of all the channels for Giffords to subscribe to, it is the alleged gunman. This could be evidence that someone within the Giffords congressional office is complicit in this murder. |
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« Reply #838 on: January 09, 2011, 10:17:13 AM » |
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Corporate greed feeding Obaa-ama InsurerCare™ is nothing more than licensing transnational Wall street river boat gamblers to torture you and invade and run your lives (and deaths), for a handsome and taxpayer-guaranteed profit.
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« Reply #839 on: January 09, 2011, 10:19:52 AM » |
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Did anyone else see this?
Good Catch RPR! I also watched the Fox interview where she was asking congress to take a 5% pay cut, and it was said the last time congress took a pay cut was in 1933. |
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