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« Reply #760 on: January 08, 2011, 11:24:49 PM »

All the on-line crap attributed to this kid could easily be fake.

Agreed.

The facebook/myspaces are obvious hoaxes.

The Youtube channel and ATS postings are weird ramblings.

They might not be "fakes" as in obvious hoaxes; but could be plants for his role as a mind-controlled patsy.
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« Reply #761 on: January 08, 2011, 11:28:03 PM »

Thanks Birther!
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« Reply #762 on: January 08, 2011, 11:31:35 PM »

9 year old that was killed in the Giffords attack was born on 9/11

http://www.kvoa.com/news/9-year-old-victim-of-deadly-rampage-identified/

She was born on 9-11  1+8 (=9) and 11 (2011)

No way.

No way!
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« Reply #763 on: January 08, 2011, 11:32:18 PM »

Afghan vet was the first angle I remember today.  Did anyone else hear something else first?
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« Reply #764 on: January 08, 2011, 11:33:40 PM »

Is this the little girl?

http://www.facebook.com/people/Christina-Greene/1176277762
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« Reply #765 on: January 08, 2011, 11:38:36 PM »

Mark Potok Blames the Radical Right for Giffords Shooting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxRbaKqeOaI
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« Reply #766 on: January 08, 2011, 11:38:53 PM »

Roll got death threats over his pro-open border stance.

He is not a pro-Constitutional judge.

He allowed a case to go forward where illegal aliens wanted millions of dollars because a rancher pointed a gun at them on his own property.

That case should have been thrown out, and the illegals deported.



That is not my version of a pro-Constitutional judge.



He was pro Second Amendment and open borders.  Huh That sounds like a rundown of the plot to Machete.

Here are a swath of stories about him back to 1992. A lot are regarding Second Amendment cases.
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Judge+John+Roll%22&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&sa=X&tbs=tl:1,tl_num:100&prmd=ivnsu&ei=DgUpTcf0A5C6vQOA2vzfBA&ved=0CF0QywEoBA
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« Reply #767 on: January 08, 2011, 11:42:16 PM »

Ho-ly crap!    She wasn't just born on September 11th, she was born on THE September 11th!
That is pretty stiff odds that someone born on 9/11 would be shot there.  Assuming the age range of people attending the "rally" is 3-85, that would be 29,930:6 odds.  

Another coincidence...right.  

My math might be wrong, as I did not take into account the # of people there at the event, but you get the idea. 
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« Reply #768 on: January 08, 2011, 11:50:50 PM »

Because of ToS, I can't post it, but I found out exactly were Jared Lee Laughner lives.

I used hints in this CBS video, and Bing maps to locate it. http://www.kpho.com/index.html?grabnetworks_video_id=4490189

He lives 5 miles west of the Safeway.

If you figure it out too, don't post it.

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« Reply #769 on: January 08, 2011, 11:52:26 PM »

Mark Potok Blames the Radical Right for Giffords Shooting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxRbaKqeOaI

Even though all the planted 'evidence' points that he was left wing? Do what?!?!?
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« Reply #770 on: January 09, 2011, 12:01:50 AM »

Mark Potok is such a slimeball.

I cannot sit through that video of both Potok and Olbermann chatting.
That's too much.  I had to shut that down after 10 seconds.
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« Reply #771 on: January 09, 2011, 12:02:00 AM »

Seems to be being orchestrated to go after (of all people) Palin -LOL

This might be a good time to revive the Progressive Party and dump the teabaggers
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« Reply #772 on: January 09, 2011, 12:02:07 AM »

No way.

No way!

and not just 9/11 - 9/11/2001!
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« Reply #773 on: January 09, 2011, 12:16:19 AM »

This might be a good time to revive the Progressive Party and dump the teabaggers

Yeah, the tea party has been done since 2009.

Well the GOPers won.  First thing on the agenda.  We can't repeal ObamaCare because of a mass shooting.  Let's take a break.

The funny thing about the "conservatives", is that they claim that terrorism won't stop them, but this time they sure caved in!!!

how convenient!
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« Reply #774 on: January 09, 2011, 12:17:52 AM »

and not just 9/11 - 9/11/2001!

Well, maybe it is a 'sign' that we need to pay attention to - aka 'false flag' operation.

Condolences to the families of the fallen and I hope those that are battling their injuries survive - but, I think the little 9 yr. old girl is sending us all a message and it is up to us what we do with it.
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« Reply #775 on: January 09, 2011, 12:23:26 AM »

Giffords shooter shows pattern of psychiatric derangement; no clear political affiliation

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/030953_Gabrielle_Giffords_shooting.html#ixzz1AWKttvKL


(NaturalNews) Of all the senseless acts of violence we've seen over the years, today's shooting at a Gabrielle Giffords public event in Tucson really strikes home. I spent time in the company of "Gabby" Giffords and met many members of her staff during her first run for Congress. I saw her as a "balanced" representative (a former Republican turned Democrat who still, for example, supported Second Amendment rights) who I thought could bring some new energy into Washington, which seems to perpetually suffer from "Good 'Old Boys" syndrome.

That she has been violently attacked by an individual who is obviously mentally deranged is shocking and extremely disturbing. Almost as disturbing is how the mainstream media has latched onto this story as a way to demonize anyone who believes in the U.S. Constitution. The shooting suspect Jared Lee Loughner, is, by any sensible interpretation, mentally deranged. Yes, he mentioned the Constitution among his various ramblings, but he also listed the Communist Manifesto as being among his favorite books. In addition, he released a YouTube video containing unintelligible ramblings of repeated nonsense phrases, including references to the government taking away "grammar," of having a colorful bird on his shoulder, brainwashing and what he called "conscience dreaming."

The utterly false and irresponsible accusation floating around certain circles on the 'net that Loughner was some sort of extreme right winger who targeted a Democrat is extremely irresponsible and hateful. Giffords was pro Second Amendment and publicly supported the right of the People to keep and bear arms. She's actually a gun owner who urged the U.S. Supreme Court to protect Second Amendment rights. She was also a huge supporter of a stronger border with Mexico, which has traditionally been one of the key positions of Arizona conservatives. Giffords can't be pigeonholed into a label, you see. Her views are far more complex than "Democrat" vs "Republican." She is certainly no "left-wing liberal," and the attack on her doesn't appear to be politically motivated at all (see below).

A pattern of psychiatric intervention?
What's clear from the shooting is that Loughner was gunning for EVERYBODY, not just Giffords. He unloaded multiple rounds (15 - 20 rounds, according to press reports) on anybody and everybody standing nearby: Children, adults, etc.

Does this ring a bell for anyone? A young white male, disillusioned, confused, mentally deranged... and opening fire on innocent people? That's the pattern we saw in the Columbine High School shootings in 1999, and it turned out that the shooters, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, were on psychiatric medications. (http://www.naturalnews.com/025826_A...)

In fact, numerous public shootings have been carried out by those who are either on psychiatric medications or who have recently stopped taking them (which can be just as dangerous in the short term). Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold talked about how their world had become like a dream, where they couldn't tell the difference between the dream world and the waking world. Those are now virtually the same words as Jared Lee Loughner who, in his various ramblings, talked about "sleepwalking" during the day and "conscience dreaming [sic]" at other times.

While we have no proof yet that psychiatric drugs are involved here, we do see a very suspicious pattern of mental instability that suggests a likely connection. The sleepwalking behaviors Loughner describes are, in fact, common side effects of psychotropic drugs such as Ambien, which is famous for causing people to actually "sleep drive" into town and suddenly awake in the middle of the road, driving their car in their pajamas, with no knowledge of how they got there (http://www.naturalnews.com/019413.html).

I must stress that we don't yet know whether Loughner was on sleeping medications or psychiatric drugs, but his behavior fits the pattern of someone who was: The lack of touch with reality, the violent and indiscriminate shooting, and the interweaving of the dream world with the real world. These are red flags of someone who is either suffering from a severe nutritional deficiency that affects brain function (vitamin D, for example, is important for preventing schizophrenia) or someone whose brain has been chemically altered through pharmacological intervention.

The phrase "young white male" should scream out the obvious statistical link to ADHD drugs, by the way. NaturalNews is attempting to determine whether Loughner was previously on psychiatric medications.

What is VERY clear at this point is that Loughner was not of the presence of mind to be rationally affiliated with ANY political party: Not on the left, nor the right. His apparent psychosis takes him way out of the realm of rational participation in any particular philosophy. Even his favorite books listed on his Myspace page adhere to no particularly consistent overriding philosophy. He was, however, fascinated with the question of what is real versus what's just an imaginary dream. He was a fan of Alice in Wonderland, for example, as well as George Orwell's Animal Farm.

Don't be fooled by the MSM coverage of this story
Although there is still much more to emerge from this tragic event, it is clear that this is not some simple story about a disgruntled patriot who wanted to kill a Democrat. In fact, Loughner was no patriot at all: He openly talked about burning the American flag.

Rather, this is really a story about mental illness in America, and the roots of this mental illness are undoubtedly partly found in these elements:

• The chemical contamination of our food and water (fluoride, food additives, etc.)
• Widespread nutritional deficiencies that promote mental illness
• The scourge of the psychiatric drug industry and the widespread drugging of teens and children

... and also, quite possibly:

• The "programming" of young males with extremely violent video games which are now also used in the military to desensitize young adults to the violence of killing. Loughner, by the way, was reportedly a military recruit.

As more facts emerge from this story, we will do our best to cover them here on NaturalNews. I am personally angered by these events as well as the mainstream media's outrageously dishonest attempts to twist this story into some sort of "gun nut" angle, which it most definitely is not.

I am also extremely saddened at the loss of life that occurred today, right in Tucson, virtually right next door to where I used to shop for organic produce at the Whole Foods on Oracle (used to be Wild Oats). That was not a "bad" part of town. That whole section of Tucson is actually the safer part of the town. In many ways, it is the "yuppie" part of town where the wealthier folks lived, with their high-end schools. Loughner attended one of those high schools on the northwest side of Tucson, I've been told. He was not part of the far rougher schools on the South side of that city.

My heart goes out to Giffords, her family, and the other victims of this senseless crime. Most especially to the young child who was reportedly shot, and the federal judge who was reportedly killed. Several Giffords staff members were also harmed or killed (we don't have solid details yet). I can tell you that, from my personal experience, the Giffords staff members are very dedicated, hard-working honest people and none of them deserve this kind of treatment. I may not agree with all the political decisions of Giffords (she voted for Obamacare, for example), but neither do I condone any use of violence to settle such disagreements.

But remember, this was not an act of political activism. This was an act of madness carried out by a mentally deranged individual. I do not believe Giffords' political positions had anything to do with it at all. After all, Loughner shot at all the other people in the crowd, too, and he had no way to know their political views either.

Tucson cops, concealed carry firearms and more
There is a report that one individual in the crowd was carrying a concealed firearm and managed to bring it to bear in an effort to stop Loughner from committing further violence. This may have been a lifesaving action. Many people in Arizona carry concealed firearms legally, acting as a sort of "citizens response team" to prevent such violence from taking place. In fact, the Tucson police department, for which I helped raise thousands of dollars as part of my non-profit volunteerism there, is desperately short on cash and actually recruits citizens to help law enforcement do their jobs more effectively there.

I will write more about the dynamics of this, and the Tucson police force, in follow-up articles right here on NaturalNews. As someone who used to attend law enforcement meetings in Tucson, I know many of the high-ranking police officials on a personal basis, and I know them to be some of the most dedicated local law enforcement professionals I've ever met. Watch NaturalNews for more follow-up reports as we attempt to dig into this story and find out what could have possibly led to such an act of senseless violence.

We will also take part in any fundraising efforts that get organized to help the victims of this shooting. But the most important thing we can do right now is try to get to the bottom of what's behind this shooting and then take action to prevent such a terrible act of violence from occurring again.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/030953_Gabrielle_Giffords_shooting.html#ixzz1AWKretRl
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« Reply #776 on: January 09, 2011, 12:27:21 AM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPMwe6Q-Hjg

Police radio of Giffords shooting, starts about two minutes in.
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« Reply #777 on: January 09, 2011, 12:29:43 AM »


Jared Lee Loughner gunman his youtube handle
http://www.youtube.com/user/classitup10
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« Reply #778 on: January 09, 2011, 12:42:34 AM »

Seems to be being orchestrated to go after (of all people) Palin -LOL


Exactly.  Ironic, since she is another NWO tool, but one that has at least temporarily outworn its usefulness, but maybe is being kept in reserve (a future plan B?).
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« Reply #779 on: January 09, 2011, 12:47:25 AM »

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_shootings_congress_suspended  House suspends vote on health care repeal
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« Reply #780 on: January 09, 2011, 12:50:25 AM »

Federal Judge Orders CIA to Testify/Disclose Records of Human Experimentation
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=193346.0

Judge Orders Cops to Stop Harassing Superheroes
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=192799.0

Healthcare law Requirement Thrown out by Judge
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=195087.0

Judge says cops can't track with GPS
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=196537.0

Health-care law unconstitutional, judge says
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=195244.0

A.P.: Judge in Va. strikes down federal health care law (says unconstitutional)!
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=195100.0

US Court of Appeals tells US Justice Dept to go F themselves RE: 4th Amend GPS!!
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=193057.0

Jonathon Turley exposes the fact that NCIS is the most corrupt intel agency
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=196251.0

Yup. There are definitely multiple prongs to this. I suspect they've been planning this one for a while. Their patsy only set up his youtube account a few months ago.

Isn't it funny that it was a key 2nd amendment advocate targeted, along with a pro second amendment congresswoman (despite her very bad voting record on most other bills)?
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« Reply #781 on: January 09, 2011, 01:50:14 AM »

Is there some boild down thread? Reading through 20 pages is quite a lot. Has anyone have a list of what the congress woman voted on? I mean the important bills I know how to find the complete voting record but I dont know which of those are worth looking at. What was she working on? A german article said she is anti war and tried to close down military bases outside the US.

And who was the Mod changing the topic? Its like dont talk about the congress woman or others killed... only focus on the judge. I hate it when Mods take over and twist the headlines. Its deceptive.
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« Reply #782 on: January 09, 2011, 01:57:09 AM »

Is there some boild down thread? Reading through 20 pages is quite a lot. Has anyone have a list of what the congress woman voted on? I mean the important bills I know how to find the complete voting record but I dont know which of those are worth looking at. What was she working on? A german article said she is anti war and tried to close down military bases outside the US.

And who was the Mod changing the topic? Its like dont talk about the congress woman or others killed... only focus on the judge. I hate it when Mods take over and twist the headlines. Its deceptive.
The Congresswoman's voting record (to date):

http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=28507
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« Reply #783 on: January 09, 2011, 02:05:01 AM »

The 9 year old killed in the Arizona shooting was former Phillies manager Dallas Green's granddaughter. Wow. Pray for him and all families.

http://twitter.com/PhilliesDaily -
http://twitter.com/PhilliesDaily/status/23977753913073664
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« Reply #784 on: January 09, 2011, 02:37:31 AM »

Defense
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Date Bill Title Vote Outcome
10/15/2009 2009-2010 Department of Homeland Security Appropriations Authorizations
HR 2892 Y Conference Report Adopted - House
(307 - 114)
10/08/2009 2009-2010 Defense Appropriations
HR 2647 Y Conference Report Adopted - House
(281 - 146)
06/16/2009 2008-2009 Supplemental Appropriations
HR 2346 Y Conference Report Adopted - House
(226 - 202)
09/24/2008 Continuing Appropriations
HR 2638 Y Concurrence Vote Passed - House
(370 - 58)
09/24/2008 Defense Authorizations Bill
S 3001 Y Bill Passed - House
(392 - 39)
06/19/2008 Funding for Operations in Iraq and Afghanistan
HR 2642 Y Concurrence Vote Passed - House
(268 - 155)
06/19/2008 GI Bill, Funding for Midwest Flood Cleanup, Extension of Unemployment Benefits, and Other Provisions
HR 2642 Y Concurrence Vote Passed - House
(416 - 12)
05/15/2008 Funding for Military Operations in Iraq and Afghanistan
HR 2642 Y Concurrence Vote Failed - House
(141 - 149)
05/15/2008 Iraq Related Provisions such as a Troop Withdrawal, a Permanent Base Ban, and Limiting Interrogation Techniques
HR 2642 Y Concurrence Vote Passed - House
(227 - 196)
03/13/2008 Substitute Amendment for the House Budget Resolution
H Amdt 972 N Amendment Rejected - House
(157 - 263)
03/13/2008 Concurrent Budget Resolution
H Con Res 312 N Resolution Passed - House
(212 - 207)
01/16/2008 Defense Authorizations Bill
HR 4986 Y Bill Passed - House
(369 - 46)
12/19/2007 Inclusion of Iraq and Afghanistan Military Operations Funding with the Consolidated Appropriations
HR 2764 Y Concurrence Vote Passed - House
(272 - 142)
12/17/2007 Appropriations for Operations in Afghanistan
HR 2764 Y Concurrence Vote Passed - House
(206 - 201)
12/12/2007 National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008
HR 1585 Y Conference Report Adopted - House
(370 - 49)
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Pretty solid defense record.  Looks like she rarely met an appropriations bill she couldn't vote for.

In fairness.

Too soon to critcize her voting record?
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« Reply #785 on: January 09, 2011, 02:47:06 AM »

The fact he posted on ATS says a lot.

Haha Yep. I'd be willing to bet that more than half of the people who post on there work for intelligence agencies. . . and the rest are a bit too nutso.
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« Reply #786 on: January 09, 2011, 02:48:55 AM »

9/11, Oklahoma City, And Now: Lessons For Obama

WASHINGTON -- We don't yet know the extent to which the Tucson murders were about politics per se, though the alleged killer apparently did deliberately target a member of Congress. But violent national tragedies such as this one can profoundly affect the temper of the times--and the fate of the presidents who are in office when they happen.

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« Reply #787 on: January 09, 2011, 02:50:21 AM »

# Arizona Shooting-Video Made By Shooter Shows Disturbing Signs About the Gunman
Arizona Shooting-Video Made By Shooter Shows Disturbing Signs About the Gunman  Videos: 1 (Repost)

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Arizona authorities have identified Jared Lee Loughner, 22, as the man who allegedly opened fire at a public event in Tucson, Arizona, striking U.S. Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords in the head. They'...

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Law enforcement officials continue to piece together the facts in Saturday's shooting rampage that left a federal judge dead and a congresswoman critically injured in Arizona, and some are questioning whether divisive political rhetoric may have played a role.

At least six people died and at least a dozen were injured in the Saturday morning shooting at a Tucson, Ariz., grocery store parking lot, in which the gunman specifically targeted Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, Pima County, Ariz. Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said. Giffords was shot in the head, and the shooting continued until citizens tackled the suspected gunman, he said.

The dead included John Roll, chief judge of the U.S. District Court of Arizona. Also killed was Gabe Zimmerman, 30, the congresswoman's director of community outreach, and a 9-year-old girl. Two other Giffords staffers were injured.
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« Reply #788 on: January 09, 2011, 02:52:33 AM »

9 Year-Old Christina Taylor Green Was Born on 9-11 – She Was Murdered Today in Tucson 
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9 Year-Old Christina Taylor Green Was Born on 9-11 – She Was Murdered Today in Tucson Posted by Jim Hoft on Saturday, January 8, 2011, 11:15 PM Christina liked ballet and baseball. 9 year-ol...
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« Reply #789 on: January 09, 2011, 02:56:56 AM »

Military Issues
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Date Bill Title Vote Outcome
12/21/2010 Continuing Appropriations
HR 3082 N Concurrence Vote Passed - House
(193 - 165)
12/15/2010 Don't Ask, Don't Tell Repeal Act
HR 2965 Y Concurrence Vote Passed - House
(250 - 175)
12/08/2010 DREAM Act
HR 5281 Y Concurrence Vote Passed - House
(216 - 198)
07/27/2010 Directing the President to Remove Armed Forces from Pakistan
H Con Res 301 N Resolution Failed - House
(38 - 372)
07/27/2010 Fiscal Year 2009-2010 Supplemental Appropriations
HR 4899 Y Concurrence Vote Passed - House
(308 - 114)
07/01/2010 Deeming Supplemental Military Appropriations Passed and Allowing Divided Question
H Res 1500 N Bill Passed - House
(215 - 210)
07/01/2010 Limiting Afghanistan Military Funding to Withdrawal and Other Specified Purposes
HR 4899 N Concurrence Vote Failed - House
(100 - 321)
07/01/2010 Requiring Timetable for Withdrawal from Afghanistan
HR 4899 N Concurrence Vote Failed - House
(162 - 260)
05/28/2010 2010-2011 Defense Appropriation Authorizations
HR 5136 Y Bill Passed - House
(229 - 186)
05/27/2010 Repealing "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" After Military Review and Certification
H Amdt 672 Y Amendment Adopted - House
(234 - 194)
05/27/2010 Removing Funding for the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter's Alternate Engine Program
H Amdt 661 Y Amendment Rejected - House
(193 - 231)
09/24/2008 Defense Authorizations Bill
S 3001 Y Bill Passed - House
(392 - 39)
06/19/2008 Funding for Operations in Iraq and Afghanistan
HR 2642 Y Concurrence Vote Passed - House
(268 - 155)
06/19/2008 GI Bill, Funding for Midwest Flood Cleanup, Extension of Unemployment Benefits, and Other Provisions
HR 2642 Y Concurrence Vote Passed - House
(416 - 12)
05/15/2008 Funding for Military Operations in Iraq and Afghanistan
HR 2642 Y Concurrence Vote Failed - House
(141 - 149)


Pretty solid establishment hawk.
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« Reply #790 on: January 09, 2011, 03:25:39 AM »

Police release picture of possible associate of suspect in shooting that wounded Rep. Giffords

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/09/person-of-interest-sought-in-arizona-mass-shooting/?hpt=C1

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« Reply #791 on: January 09, 2011, 03:31:02 AM »

Doesn't look very dangerous there with his hands in his pockets.

All the friggin' CCTV they have in supermarkets and drug store now, and this was the most incriminating image they could produce?

Another patsy much?

God, they think we are idiots.

The poor bastard, whoever he is.  Probably no one in particular.

Just another fall guy for the real shooter(s) most likely.
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« Reply #792 on: January 09, 2011, 03:44:05 AM »

Police release picture of possible associate of suspect in shooting that wounded Rep. Giffords

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Reading the comments (at least half of them anyway) is rather like listening to the MSM talking points from earlier... it's not called television programming for nothing, eh?
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« Reply #793 on: January 09, 2011, 05:00:00 AM »

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(CNN) -- The tenor of American political rhetoric became a centerpiece in the national debate over Saturday's attack by a gunman in Tucson, Arizona, that killed six persons and left local Democratic congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords with a bullet wound to the brain.

Public leaders and others expressed sorrow about "a tragedy for the entire country," as President Obama put it -- a total of 18 persons allegedly shot by 22-year-old Jared Lee Loughner.

But officials also voiced dismay Saturday over the possibility that highly polarized rhetoric in the conservative hotbed of Arizona may have played a role in the assassination attempt of the Democratic congresswoman, who was targeted during a meet-and-greet with constituents in a shopping center. A federal judge, a girl age 9, and four other persons died in the mass killing.

While not stating a motive for the shootings, Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik in Tucson used a nationally televised press conference to condemn the tone of political discourse in his state. He charged that public debate is now "vitriolic rhetoric," which has rendered Arizona "the mecca for prejudice and bigotry."

Dupnik suggested that such rhetoric can have deadly consequences.

"We need to do some soul searching," Dupnik told reporters. "It's the vitriolic rhetoric that we hear day in and day out from people in the radio business and some people in the TV business.

"When you look at unbalanced people, how they respond to the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government, the anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on in this county is getting to be outrageous. Unfortunately, Arizona, I think, has become sort of the capital," Dupnik continued.
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"We have become the mecca for prejudice and bigotry," Dupnik said.

Arizona is a Republican stronghold where the party members hold a two-thirds majority in both chambers of the legislature and occupy the governor's office.

Dupnik is a Democrat.

"People who are unbalanced may be especially susceptible to vitriol," Dupnik said. "It's not unusual for all public officials to get threatened constantly, myself included. That's the sad thing that's going on in America. Pretty soon we're not going to be able to find reasonable people to subject themselves to serving the public."

Dupnik returned to the theme later in the press conference.

"People tend to pooh-pooh this business about the vitriol that inflames American public opinion by the people who make a living off of that. That may be free speech but it's not without consequences," Dupnik said.

Last March, Giffords raised concerns about inflammatory rhetoric after her office was vandalized, and she cited how her name appeared on a website titled "take back the 20" as part of a list originally issued by Sarah Palin against vulnerable House Democrats.

A map on the site showed crosshairs over the contested Democratic districts.

Palin first posted the list in March 2010, naming 20 House members who voted for health care reform and represented districts that Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona won in the 2008 presidential election.

At the time, Giffords responded to the map by saying on MSNBC that her long-serving colleagues had "never seen anything like it."

"The thing is, the way that she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gun sight over our district," Giffords said in March. "When people do that, they've got to realize there's consequences to that action."

On Saturday, Palin posted a message on her Facebook page: "My sincere condolences are offered to the family of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and the other victims of today's tragic shootings in Arizona. On behalf of Todd and my family, we all pray for the victims and their families, and for peace and justice."

Tom Fuentes, a former FBI assistant director who's a CNN contributor, described Dupnik's remarks as "a very emotional response by a very frustrated, hurt sheriff."

When media cover "hateful" public statements by officials or television personalities, those remarks are often framed as "they're exciting their base," Fuentes said.

"Law enforcement executives out there know, like this sheriff, that it also excites the lunatic fringe," Fuentes told CNN. "In this country, we have no shortage of mentally unbalanced people, and it seems in case after case, they have no trouble obtaining firearms. So when they go over the edge and go public and try to initiate an attack, this is what happens."

Arizona state Rep. Matt Heinz, a Democrat and a Tucson physician, supported Dupnik's remarks.

"I think he is very, very correctly calling attention to some of the vitriol and some of the ways we're talking about each other," Heinz told CNN. "For those with troubled minds, sometimes some of those things that are said are unfortunately taken in the wrong way."

Arizona state Rep. Steve Farley, a Democrat from Tucson, said that the country now faces a challenge of overcoming polarizing politics. His political aide witnessed the shootings and applied pressure to Giffords' wounds, he said.

"The question is can we come together as a state and can we come together as a country and sort of put this harsh hyper-rhetoric that has caused people who are a little unhinged in the first place to go over the edge,"
Farley told CNN.

"This country is something that deserves no less than a politics that rises above violence," Farley said.

Public officials spoke of the tragic nature of the shootings, in which authorities said they are also seeking a second man as "a person of interest."

But officials inevitably broached the rancor of national politics.

In fact, the U.S. House of Representatives agreed Saturday that it will cease any discussion next week about repealing President Obama's health care reforms -- a law opposed by many Arizona Republicans and voters in a November ballot measure -- and instead address Saturday's shootings.

Tea Party Express Chairman Amy Kremer said she was saddened by the mass shooting. <<NOTE SARCASTIC TONE>>

"These heinous crimes have no place in America, and they are especially grievous when committed against our elected officials," Kremer said. "Spirited debate is desirable in our country, but it only should be the clash of ideas. An attack on anyone for political purposes, if that was a factor in this shooting, is an attack on the democratic process. We join with everyone in vociferously condemning it."

U.S. Rep. Emanuel Cleaver, D-Missouri, chairman of the congressional black caucus, said he was "shocked and devastated by the tragic events of this day."

"Even though we do not have all the answers yet, we are all too familiar with the violent and polarizing climate in which we live," Cleaver said. "There is no place in American society for such senseless and terrible acts of extreme violence. Those of us in leadership must be overly cautious of fanning the flames of extremism in hopes to prevent another horrendous tragedy such as this."

U.S. House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer, D-Maryland, called the attacks "cowardly."

"Our form of government, like all human things, is imperfect and flawed, but one of its greatest virtues is its power to resolve questions of the greatest import without violence," Hoyer said.

Rev. Al Sharpton, president of the National Action Network and a former Democratic presidential candidate, also expressed alarm about the direction of political rhetoric.

"In church services tomorrow, clergymen ought to address the senseless violence that has too often raised its head of late in the social and political discourse of this country," Sharpton said.

Jeff Rogers, the Pima County Democratic Party chairman, made a plea for "civilized discourse."

"There's just a tremendous amount of anger right now, a lot of people fomenting that anger," Rogers said.

"We maybe need to re-examine a lot of things. For instance, one of the first things on the table at the state legislature this year is putting guns in schools. How crazy is that, given what we've seen here today? And I think we just need to have a more civilized discourse in our politics in this country. This state as well," Rogers said.

U.S. Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-New York, said he hoped that inflammatory speech will subside in the wake of Saturday's shootings.

"We have no idea what his motivation was, but we do know that Congresswoman Gabrielle's campaign headquarters was shot at during the campaign last year. We do know that death threats were made against her," Nadler said.

"Whenever you have violent political rhetoric, there could be some nut who will take up and reach a conclusion that the speakers didn't want," Nadler added.
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« Reply #794 on: January 09, 2011, 06:30:10 AM »

Do you think this asshole would have been able to shoot 19 people?
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« Reply #795 on: January 09, 2011, 06:38:57 AM »

Do you think this asshole would have been able to shoot 19 people?

I would not call him names especially not this kind of names.
If the Youtube channel is really his then it shows that he is far from stupid.
He has literary and other references to prove it.

I cannot buy the fact that he could have acted alone.
What if he did not take part in the shooting?
Where is the proof that he was the shooter/murderer or at least one of them?
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« Reply #796 on: January 09, 2011, 06:40:10 AM »

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The Congresswoman voted for Obamacare...

When Obamacare goes into effect in 2014 you will be required to staple proof of insurance to your taxes. If you don't you will be fined. If you don't pay the fines someone will eventually knock at your door. When you tell them to go away they will kick your door in. When you defend your home they will shoot you dead in front of your family.

The media is trying to portray the Congresswoman as some kind of moderate but the cold reality is she was a radical socialist willing to engage in mass murder to force her agenda on the American people.
 
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And yet the ONLY Death Panels are IN Arizona, approved by the Republican Arizona Legislature and signed by the Republican Arizona Governor.
And the Arizona Death Panel has already voted to allow 3 people to die.
 
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The Congresswoman voted for Obamacare...

When Obamacare goes into effect in 2014 you will be required to staple proof of insurance to your taxes. If you don't you will be fined. If you don't pay the fines someone will eventually knock at your door. When you tell them to go away they will kick your door in. When you defend your home they will shoot you dead in front of your family.

The media is trying to portray the Congresswoman as some kind of moderate but the cold reality is she was a radical socialist willing to engage in mass murder to force her agenda on the American people.
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Of course I believe it was wrong -- totally wrong for the shooters (plural) to do what they did (I can't empahasize that enough).

However, let's not make this Congresswoman an instant hero just yet.  Don't worry the MSM will take care of that anyway soon enough -- so fast it will make your head spin.
 
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« Reply #797 on: January 09, 2011, 07:11:59 AM »

IMPORTANT NOTICE: Due to the increased security measures, all mail service to Congressional Offices is delayed due to security screening measures. Because of the procedures in place, the best way to contact me to share your opinion is via e-mail.
http://giffords.house.gov/contact/


New congress they don't want us communicating with yet again? I guess if you want to contact your congressman on some issue you are forced to contact them via  local office email! Or is that surveilled also?

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« Reply #798 on: January 09, 2011, 07:36:36 AM »

Born, died between 2 tragedies:
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