Assassins murder anti-Safeway Amendment Federal Judge at a Safeway Store

[Brocke]

Eyewitness Dr. Steven Rayle Holds Down Alleged Gunman in Shooting
Dr. Steven Rayle says, "gunman sprayed gunfire everywhere."
VIDEO: http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/eyewitness-holds-alleged-gunman-shooting-12572884


"then he began spraying gunfire everywhere"

[Freeski]

the sheriff says TPD are in active pursuit of someone else.

[Ragtop]

Many initial eyewitness reports are wrong

Nothing contrived about that...

[EllisCountyObserver]

Guys, when the cops pull back the media --- in this case, 500 yards --- guess what? Stuff starts happening.


Since it was a federal employee who was shot, killed and a congresswoman, the FBI is now taking over the investigation. Yeah, and they'll take any video, photo footage that did exist, too.



What person DOESN'T have photo or video footage of their congressman? This is bizarre.



Look at what they did in '93 in Waco: they pulled the media people back 1 stinking MILE.


When the govt comes in and re-locates the media, WE'RE ABOUT TO GET FED BULLSHIT!


Trust me, I'm a newspaper publisher!

[Dig]

Israeli Terror Expert 1998:
"FBI might fall for a false-flag operation"

...the FBI might fall for a false-flag operation. A terrorist state might use American extremists, for example, to carry out such an attack. The FBI might catch the extremists, but not understand they were minor figures, and present them instead as major figures.

http://www.acpr.org.il/pp/pp043-shohamE.pdf

[Ragtop]

Great

Some talking head on FauxNews wagging his finger at America

"This hatred is getting out of control"

So people can't be pissed off? We cant have free speech about it? Why don't they look at the reasons for it?

(the above post shall not be misconstrued as supporting today's shooting, or any violence)

[Sasha]

the sheriff says TPD are in active pursuit of someone else.

I know and the FBI guy just said before Sheriff Darence Chubnik got on the mic that the gunman acted alone

which is it?

their narative is screwy

[rabblevox]

Many initial eyewitness reports are wrong

Nothing contrived about that...

True, but it was stated earlier that  scoped rifle was found by a sheriff near the scene.  That's a tough detail to get wrong.

[Brocke]

Eyewitness account

Dr. Steven Rayle told CBC News how he had gone with a friend to meet Giffords at the Safeway store and was walking toward her when the shooting began.

"I proceeded around sort of a concrete post to the side of the table, and as I looked up, I saw a man shoot Congressman Giffords in the head and then he immediately began rapid fire [at] everybody who was around in the area."

Rayle said it wasn't a large crowd, about 25 people.

"There were several people who appeared to be mortally wounded right away. There was a gentleman who was lying on his face, unresponsive. There were several other people. There were people who had been shot," he said.

Rayle said when the shots were fired, he initially thought it was some sort of stunt because the gunfire didn't sound real.

"But of course it was and then I ducked behind this concrete post out of the way of the shooter who was continuing to shoot," he said. "I sensed that he was coming around beyond the table to leave and he was still shooting and I got down on the ground and laid there as if I had been shot so that he didn't see me standing."

Rayle said that a doctor in such a situation would try to triage as best as possible, but that there's not a lot that can be done. He said at least five people were given CPR and that Giffords was propped up.

"I could see that she had been shot in the head. A staffer was attending to her. She was very bloody and I could see that she was conscious. She was moving her fingers and hands and had moved her arms so I was hopeful that those were not fatal wounds for her."

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2011/01/08/giffords-arizona-shooting.html#ixzz1AUsuKRNA

[Ragtop]

Oh, great

"House postpones all actions for week, including healthcare repeal bill, due to Rep. Giffords shooting - Rep. Cantor, R-Va."

no link yet

[Ragtop]

True, but it was stated earlier that  scoped rifle was found by a sheriff near the scene.  That's a tough detail to get wrong.

OK.

I was responding to the banter about his height.

[birther truther tenther]

[Dig]

Hate to disagree with someone with 55k posts on my first day, but this law only applies to impersonating a real person, which is already a crime (and should be, IMO). Unlike Obama's "internet id", the CA law doesn't say anything about aliases, multiple id's, or false id's, as long as you don't pretend to be me.

the law is 100% bullshit, have you even read it?

there are 20 people saying they are the patsy...the media will say: "because anyone can sign up as someone else, we need regulation to stop this. california tried a bill, but it cannot really enforce it. CISCO has a system set up and ready to go that can do the job, but congress is taking their time"

you can see this crap a mile away

[citizenx]

HAHAHAHAAHAHAHHA

You got punk'd.

Somebody modified their tags.

Noticed how jared lee laughner is only tagged in the sarah palin video and none of the others?

It didn't have to be legit to be part of the effort to derail Palin, but you are right.

I should have made a note of the fact that I didn't have any confirmation it was Laughner's.  I did wonder that at the time.

[Dig]

Right so we've got to make this guy look like a stupid constitutionalist screwball then. Lets make one of those youtube videos, it can't be difficult. I know, we need a flag, and some bloke who looks like him wandering around looking like a nutter. You'll need to wear a mask so they don't know its not him. Wear some plastic bags as trousers, and totter about like a mental case. We'll put some random pointless poorly spelt comments in, anything to make him look useless and crazy. Then he can burn the flag, like his trying to say something, but he is not sure exactly what. Oh yeah and some loud anarchic type music too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L1lsLU-kUw

It is almost as if RAND corporation has planned to have teams of cyber soldiers to engage at a moments notice and control the narratives while blurring the lines of Posse Comitatus...

WHITE PAPER ON INFORMATION TERRORISM
1997
Brian K. Houghton
Doctoral Fellow
RAND CORPORATION

http://www.devost.net/papers/suntzu.pdf

Offensive information warfare techniques developed for military use at a state level could also be utilized to respond to information terrorism. Law enforcement agencies, in general, do not have similar offensive information warfare capabilities. For this reason a specialized and integrated counter information terrorism group is required. These highly trained information warriors would be the national security equivalent of Carnegie Mellon’s Computer Emergency Response Team, but with an offensive capability. Like a “Digital Delta Force” these Digital Integrated Response Teams (DIRTs) would work from remote computer systems and use information warfare tactics to detect, locate and counter the information terrorists. The DIRTs would be in networked remote cells inside CONUS (with one on the East and West coasts, and an additional cell in the Midwest). The DIRTs would exploit law enforcement IT-oriented assets, investigative capabilities, and intelligence bases. The DIRTs, created by Executive Order, would operate as a cell of the National Security Council and take its directives from the information terrorism counterpart to the White House “Drug Czar.”

These information warriors, comprised of members from the Joint Services, as well as Justice and Treasury Departments, would strike using digital means against computers and networks used by the information terrorists. Using an anonymous response, the U.S. government could strike at information terrorists without large display or legitimizing the terrorists, both of which would occur with a physical response. Such a response offers ultimate plausible denial. In addition, the DIRTs close integration with law enforcement agencies would provide legal guidance and accountability, and avoid a “Posse Comitatus” syndrome.

This structure would combine the investigative and jurisdictional assets of the law enforcement community with the offensive capabilities of the military. If the United States is going to enter the Information Age, we need to have policy that spans the spectrum of information-related threats to our national security, driving offensive and defensive assets that can respond symmetrically and effectively. Our offensive capabilities against peer or near-peer competitors are formidable, whether in information or conventional warfare.

[Sasha]

free speech villification again!


Sheriff Hate Rights just popped off again

[Monkeypox]

No piercings either!

Not that you can see, anyway.

 

There's no way you can tell his height from that pic.

[birther truther tenther]

It didn't have to be legit to be part of the effort to derail Palin, but you are right.

I should have made a note of the fact that I didn't have any confirmation it was Laughner's.  I did wonder that at the time.

getting punk'd has been happening all day.

people setting up fake youtubes, facebooks, myspaces, etc.

This is why Obama's admin will use internet id as an excuse.

[chris jones]

 Catcher in the rye.
                                  A tragedy, my sympathy for the victims and familys.
 As far as the story line is concerned. Each and every time the reports are sketchy,( as is the case with this one),
cops, witnesses, evidence, backgrounds,forensics are being manipulated.
  We know the basic coverage released is controlled by the MSM, their only release of information is the official version.

[donnay]

Guys, when the cops pull back the media --- in this case, 500 yards --- guess what? Stuff starts happening.


Since it was a federal employee who was shot, killed and a congresswoman, the FBI is now taking over the investigation. Yeah, and they'll take any video, photo footage that did exist, too.



What person DOESN'T have photo or video footage of their congressman? This is bizarre.



Look at what they did in '93 in Waco: they pulled the media people back 1 stinking MILE.


When the govt comes in and re-locates the media, WE'RE ABOUT TO GET FED BULLSHIT!


Trust me, I'm a newspaper publisher!

Yeah it is never good when they try to push back a free press--plus, I am sure FBI already confiscated the raw footage of all the news agencies there.  Because if this is a false flag, like it is shaping up to look like, they have got to make sure that the other shooters are not exposed.

Corrections:  Waco was in 1995, and they made all the press go back 2 miles.   

[birther truther tenther]

UPDATE 1-Healthcare vote postponed due to shooting - Cantor

WASHINGTON | Sat Jan 8, 2011 8:23pm EST

WASHINGTON Jan 8 (Reuters) - The House of Representatives will postpone next week's vote to repeal President Barack Obama's healthcare reform legislation due to the shooting of Democratic Representative Gabrielle Giffords, House Republican Leader Eric Cantor said on Saturday.


"All legislation currently scheduled to be considered by the House of Representatives next week is being postponed so that we can take whatever actions may be necessary in light of today's tragedy," Cantor said in a prepared statement.

Giffords had received threats for her support of the healthcare reform bill and her office in Tucson was vandalized after the measure passed Congress last March.

Repeal of the law is a priority of Republicans who won control of the House in November elections, and it is expected to pass the House easily when the vote takes place.

The effort is not expected to advance in the Democratic-controlled Senate, however.

Cantor said he would release a revised House schedule on Sunday.

"It is horrifying that she was exposed to such violence at an event designed to reach the people she represents," Cantor said.

(Reporting by Andy Sullivan; Editing by Philip Barbara)

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0824752220110109

[Dig]

he initially thought it was some sort of stunt because the gunfire didn't sound real.

Almost like suppressed fire, maybe some silencers were involved?

NO BALLISTICS TESTING

NO TRAJECTORY RE-ENACTING

NO AUTOPSIES

NOTHING BUT "LONE GUNMAN"

There had to be at least 4 gunmen to hit over 80% of the targets with a 25% kill rate + ensuring that the prime target was assassinated!

[citizenx]

getting punk'd has been happening all day.

people setting up fake youtubes, facebooks, myspaces, etc.

This is why Obama's admin will use internet id as an excuse.

Oh, I definitely think internet anonymity/privacy was also in the cross-hairs today.

[Ragtop]

When is WalMart going to a publish a report on everything this guy bought for the last 4 years, and his "attitude" when roaming the store? 

[Monkeypox]

sigh...

I just checked in at Free Republic and Democratic Underground.  As can be expected, it looks pretty conclusive that Laughner was a commie teabagger.

"commie"  and "teabagger"  are pretty mutually much exclusive terms.

 

[dtk]

"Jared Lee Loughner"
Classitup10's Channel



http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10#p/u/1/nHoaZaLbqB4

2:47 sec

[Dig]

UPDATE 1-Healthcare vote postponed due to shooting - Cantor

WASHINGTON | Sat Jan 8, 2011 8:23pm EST

WASHINGTON Jan 8 (Reuters) - The House of Representatives will postpone next week's vote to repeal President Barack Obama's healthcare reform legislation due to the shooting of Democratic Representative Gabrielle Giffords, House Republican Leader Eric Cantor said on Saturday.


"All legislation currently scheduled to be considered by the House of Representatives next week is being postponed so that we can take whatever actions may be necessary in light of today's tragedy," Cantor said in a prepared statement.

Giffords had received threats for her support of the healthcare reform bill and her office in Tucson was vandalized after the measure passed Congress last March.

Repeal of the law is a priority of Republicans who won control of the House in November elections, and it is expected to pass the House easily when the vote takes place.

The effort is not expected to advance in the Democratic-controlled Senate, however.

Cantor said he would release a revised House schedule on Sunday.

"It is horrifying that she was exposed to such violence at an event designed to reach the people she represents," Cantor said.

(Reporting by Andy Sullivan; Editing by Philip Barbara)

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0824752220110109

I got an idea congress...

INVESTIGATE COLUMBINE!

INVESTIGATE VIRGINIA TECH!

INVESTIGATE JFK, RFK, MLK, RYAN, WELLSTONE, FOSTER, STEVENS.

THEY ARE EXECUTING FEDERAL JUDGES IN THE STREET AND SENDING DEATH "NEAR MISSES" TO OUR CONGRESS!

INVESTIGATE WHO THE HELL IS DOING THIS ALREADY, WTF?!?!?! AND AN INVESTIGATION TAKES MORE THAN LOOKING AT A FRICKING FACEBOOK PAGE!

HOW STUPID DO THEY THINK WE ARE?

[birther truther tenther]

"Jared Lee Loughner"
Classitup10's Channel



http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10#p/u/1/nHoaZaLbqB4

2:47 sec

The channel has been discussed in earlier pages of the thread.

I added screenshots of some of the videos in earlier pages.

[Ragtop]

Great

Some talking head on FauxNews wagging his finger at America

"This hatred is getting out of control"

So people can't be pissed off? We cant have free speech about it? Why don't they look at the reasons for it?

(the above post shall not be misconstrued as supporting today's shooting, or any violence)

"Pima Sheriff Dopnik on Rep. Giffords shooting: All the vitriol we hear enflaming the American public ... that may be free speech, but it's not without consequences"


How the HELL is this ahole and elected sheriff??? STFU.

[independentWV]

Watched Fox News conference just now
Looking for 50 year old white male

Congresswoman opposed Pelosi

[birther truther tenther]

Sheriff: 'Not Convinced Gunman Acted Alone'

POSTED: 12:28 pm MST January 8, 2011
UPDATED: 6:27 pm MST January 8, 2011
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TUCSON, Ariz. -- [Updated at 6:15 p.m.] Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik just held a news conference and released more details on the shooting rampage at a Tucson Safeway. Dupnik said 19 people were shot, and six of them were killed. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was shot in the head point-blank. Dupnik said the bullet went through and through. She it out of surgery and doctors are optimistic on her recovery.

U.S. District Judge John Roll was among the dead. Dupnik said Roll attended Saturday morning mass around the corner from the Safeway. Roll was a close friend of Giffords and decided to stop by to say hello to Giffords.

Dupnik said a 6-year-old girl was also killed. He didn't release details on the other victims.

He gave few details on the gunman. Dupnik said he has a troubled past, and investigators are "not convinced he acted alone." According to Dupnik, the gunman went to the Safeway with someone else.

[Updated at 5:53 p.m.] The gunman held in the shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona and others has been identified as Jared Loughner.

Little information is known immediately about Loughner -- such as his background or a possible motive in the attack.

U.S. officials who provided his name to the AP spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to release it publicly.

18 people were shot and 6 of them were killed in the mass shooting at a Tucson Safeway. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was shot in the head by the lone gunman.

A University of Medical Center surgeon said Giffords has pulled through surgery and he is optimistic about her recovery.

A 9-year-old girl and federal judge are among the dead.

The shooter has been identified as Jared Loughner. He is in custody.

MOAR:
http://www.kpho.com/news/26411775/detail.html

[birther truther tenther]

Giffords' Office Evacuated After Suspicious Device Is Found

POSTED: 5:59 pm MST January 8, 2011
UPDATED: 6:03 pm MST January 8, 2011
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TUCSON, Ariz. -- Law enforcement officers evacuated Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' office in Tucson after finding a suspicious package.

Bomb technicians are searching the office and surrounding areas right now.

CBS 5 News has confirmed that media members were ordered to move away from her office.

http://www.kpho.com/news/26413381/detail.html

[Ragtop]

"Pima Sheriff Dopnik on Rep. Giffords shooting: All the vitriol we hear enflaming the American public ... that may be free speech, but it's not without consequences"


How the HELL is this ahole an elected sheriff??? STFU.

"...enflaming the American public..."


So, we are not allowed to
1) be involved in what is going on in the country
2) feel angry when our country is being destroyed

I guess we need to just "shut-up-and-sit-down-Slaves"


(the above post will not be misconstrued as supporting today's shooting, or any violence)

[Dig]

"Pima Sheriff Dopnik on Rep. Giffords shooting: All the vitriol we hear enflaming the American public ... that may be free speech, but it's not without consequences"


How the HELL is this ahole and elected sheriff??? STFU.

hold up man, Sheriff so far is exposing second gunman (at least). he has no power to limit free speech...BUT HE DOES HAVE THE POWER TO INVESTIGATE THE CRIME SCENE!

They will try and have us attack him especially if he is actually investigating.

Once a second gunman is confirmed, it is a conspiracy and will lead to many others.

[jeremystalked1]

I just updated my article on this news to use that preferred wording.  Shooting victims are hustled off the scene and then we're informed later that they're dead.  Highly publicized false flags like this one are a great way to fake deaths and create new identities.  Let's not assist the perpetrators.

[Sasha]

Almost like suppressed fire, maybe some silencers were involved?

other reports earlier stated that the initial shots sounded like tons of pots and pans falling to the ground which one might say is loud

so this is another strange part of the narative that could point to multiple guns  

[birther truther tenther]

Rep. Gabrielle Giffords critical after mass shooting, 'person of interest' on the loose
by Catherine Holland

azfamily.com

Posted on January 8, 2011 at 12:48 PM

Updated today at 6:29 PM


excerpt:

According to officials close the the investigation, Loughner told authorities he acted alone, but Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said investigators do not believe that. He said investigators believe Loughner arrived at the event with another person. Dupnik would not divulge any other details except to say that authories are actively pursuing another individual as a "person of interest."

Investigators said they have recovered the Glock 19 that was used in the shooting. Law-enforcement officials said that the semi-automatic pistol was legally purchased at Sportsman's Warehouse in Tucson on Nov. 30.

One witness said it was clear that Giffords was Loughner's intended target.

more:
http://www.azfamily.com/news/Rep-Gabrielle-Giffords-others-shot-at-Tucson-event-113135139.html

Two people at the event tackled Loughner after the bullets stopped flying. He was then taken into PCSO custody.

[Ragtop]

When are they going to reinforce the

"If-you-see-something--saaaaayyyyyy-something"

programming on us?

 

[birther truther tenther]

Suspicious device prompts evacuation at Rep. Giffords' office
Posted: Jan 08, 2011 5:53 PM Updated: Jan 08, 2011 5:56 PM

TUCSON, AZ (KOLD) - Tucson Police officers have evacuated the area surrounding Rep. Gabrielle Gifford's office after finding a suspicious device near the building, police said.

Officers assigned to provide security following Saturday's shooting of Giffords found the device shortly after 5 p.m., Tucson Police spokesman Lt. Fabian Pacheco said.

The offices are located in the 1600 Block of North Swan, near Pima.

A crowd of about 30 to 40 people, including media and those holding a vigil for the deadly attack, were moved across the street as a precaution, KOLD News reporter Barbara Grijalva said.

Tucson Police have called their bomb specialists to the area to investigate the device.

http://www.kold.com/Global/story.asp?S=13809127

[Ragtop]

ahh, now there's a live link on this

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE70113W20110109

"Healthcare vote postponed due to shooting"