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« Reply #520 on: January 08, 2011, 07:21:55 PM »

witness said he [the man on the lose - presumably] was running like he stole something and got away
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« Reply #521 on: January 08, 2011, 07:22:33 PM »

Olbermann show telling us all "how to talk" about the issues
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« Reply #522 on: January 08, 2011, 07:23:00 PM »

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/136783-rep-giffords-shot-as-gunman-opens-fire-at-public-event

The weapon used was a pistol with an extended magazine, according to Kastigar.

At least six people were killed, with 19 injured, including the congresswoman. Giffords's spokesman said that staff members are among those, but further details weren't immediately available.

Tea Party Nation founder Judson Phillips condemned the attack on Giffords, but warned supporters that the Tea Party movement would be blamed by political opponents.
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« Reply #523 on: January 08, 2011, 07:23:08 PM »

The news is now reporting that he may not have acted alone.

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His handler.
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« Reply #524 on: January 08, 2011, 07:24:38 PM »

Giffords was the target, gunman may not have acted alone, per AP:



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_congresswoman_shot
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« Reply #525 on: January 08, 2011, 07:25:29 PM »

So why then, when you have a dead judge and a shot politician, not to mention the others, does the corporate media pick Giffords for their wall-to-wall coverage? Seems to me they must attach a dollar value to her brand recognition -- whereas the judge only had a moment of fame. Just being cynical I guess.
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« Reply #526 on: January 08, 2011, 07:26:41 PM »


KVOA live update with Lt. Fabien Pacheco regarding the suspicious device they just detonated...

"... see something, say something to protect our community."
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« Reply #527 on: January 08, 2011, 07:26:49 PM »

His handler.

My thoughts exactly.  My guess? A handler, and a 2nd shooter to make damned sure the judge and congresswoman went down.
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« Reply #528 on: January 08, 2011, 07:28:17 PM »

So why then, when you have a dead judge and a shot politician, not to mention the others, does the corporate media pick Giffords for their wall-to-wall coverage? Seems to me they must attach a dollar value to her brand recognition -- whereas the judge only had a moment of fame. Just being cynical I guess.

You don't shoot someone in the head expecting them to live.  Maybe they were both the target.

I'm not reporting the news, just reporting on it, BTW.
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« Reply #529 on: January 08, 2011, 07:28:26 PM »

Looking at Google News, in recent minutes, most of the MSM articles cranking out are about Judge Roll.
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« Reply #530 on: January 08, 2011, 07:29:35 PM »

Amid Shock, Recalling Judge’s Life of Service
By JOHN SCHWARTZ
Published: January 8, 2011



http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/us/09judge.html?src=twrhp

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« Reply #531 on: January 08, 2011, 07:30:30 PM »

KVOA live update with Lt. Fabien Pacheco regarding the suspicious device they just detonated...

"... see something, say something to protect our community."



Pffft...There it is!

Do I go down to Sprawl-Mart to file my report?
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« Reply #532 on: January 08, 2011, 07:32:36 PM »

OK now Olbermann is lecturing about political violence from the right....

Facts be damned its MSM MSNBC corporatist propaganda hour on every day 24 7.
http://www.justin.tv/rockinroosters12#/w/735381392/14
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« Reply #533 on: January 08, 2011, 07:32:39 PM »

Federal Chief Judge – John Roll Reported As Killed In Giffords Related Shooting
by JHiggins on Jan. 08, 2011, under Uncategorized

Chief Judge John Roll has been confirmed to have died in the Giffords rally shooting. Judge Roll has a two decade career serving the 9th District in charge of the S. Arizona Sector.

Chief Roll recently discussed new rules on speedy trials requirements imposed on Federal cases.  The Arizona sectors is one of the busiest court districts in the country. Chief Roll was a man who loved his family, his community, his country and his faith. He was a devout Catholic who truly lived his faith through action.

Judge Roll has been a personal friend and part of our family for over 25 years. Judge Roll presided over my wedding and always took time out for court house tours with my kids and nieces.  This loss is difficult for all those that knew him.

My prayers go out to his family, his friends and all the Marshals and staff at the US Federal Court House in Arizona.

Here is a recent article by Judge Roll in the Arizona Daily Star.



http://tucsoncitizen.com/in-the-aggregate/2011/01/08/federal-chief-judge-%E2%80%93-john-roll-reported-as-killed-in-giffords-related-shooting/
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« Reply #534 on: January 08, 2011, 07:33:06 PM »

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2011/01/witness-he-was-just-firing.html
"People that were there were just sitting ducks," Rayle said. "I don't think he was even aiming. He was just firing at whatever."

For someone who wasn't even aiming, the shooter achieved a stunningly high casualty count.

Another sign of additional gunmen:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2653561/posts
Rayle was just on Fox. He said another witness saw a young man dashing away from the scene. He doesn’t think Loughner acted alone.
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« Reply #535 on: January 08, 2011, 07:33:22 PM »

The Army, however, said it rejected Lougher as a recruit in 2008.

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/article_91db5db4-1b74-11e0-ba23-001cc4c002e0.html
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« Reply #536 on: January 08, 2011, 07:33:36 PM »

Chief: Federal court here can't handle rise in cases
Judge asks to delay felony trials

The chief judge of Arizona's federal courts has declared a judicial emergency, citing an all-time high of felony cases that has pushed the four judges in Tucson past their limits.

Chief judge John M. Roll wants permission to delay bringing felons to trial.

"The addition of what sometimes seems to be an inexhaustible number of law enforcement agents and federal prosecutors in Tucson division has now produced a tsunami of federal felony cases far beyond the management capacity of the four active district judges in Tucson division," Roll says in Nov. 24, letter to U.S. Court of Appeals Judge Alex Kozinski.

If permission for the delay is granted by the Judicial Council of the 9th Circuit, the emergency declaration would give judges 180 days to bring felony defendants to trial, up from the current 70 days.

Judicial resources have not kept pace with the increases in investigative and prosecutorial resources overloading judges, Roll wrote. The number of prosecutors assigned to the criminal division in the Tucson Office of the U.S. Attorney's Office has nearly doubled in the past two years from 33 in 2008 to 61 today, the letter says. The buildup of Border Patrol agents in the Tucson Sector to 3,300 today, up from 2,100 in 2004.

"Without the possibility of relief from a declaration of judicial emergency, Tucson division is simply unable to absorb the enormous increase in felony cases being scheduled for trial while remaining compliant with the time limits set by the Speedy Trial Act," Roll wrote.

"We've reached a choke point," Roll said.

The situation is acute in Southern Arizona, where there are just five judges assigned. In actuality, there are just four, with a vacancy waiting to be filled.

Roll said the seven judges left in Phoenix - one just was named to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals - already are busy and cannot help with the workload. And he said the space in the courthouse is so tight that even when they can get visiting judges, only one can be accommodated at any one time.

Two years ago there were 3,023 felony cases filed in federal court in Arizona. That increased to 4,311 the next year and 5,219 just last year. In just Tucson, felony filings went from 1,564 two years ago to 3,289 last year.

"It is a band-aid," Roll said of his request. "We need judges.'"

But that power resides only with Congress. And Roll said that despite the rapid increase in cases being filed in Arizona - and all along the Southwest border - the political reality may make getting that additional help impossible.

He called Arizona's congressional delegation "very supportive" of getting additional judges.

"The problem is there are only five Southwest border (federal judicial) districts," he said, all falling within just four states. That is out of 94 federal districts nationwide.

"So you have 46 states that may think that the Southwest border is a drain on all the available resources," Roll said. "They're not as receptive to the idea that the judicial resources should go to the Southwest border."

The number of judges aren't the only problem - there's not enough space in the Evo A. DeConcini Courthouse in Tucson, either, Roll wrote. The courthouse has seven district courtrooms, including a special proceedings room that has been used since January 2008 for the Border Patrol's Operation Streamline initiative. About 16,000 misdemeanor and petty cases are filed annually in this initiative, Roll wrote.

Space limitations at the Tucson courthouse "pose a significant impediment to the utilization of more than one visiting district judge at a time," Roll wrote. "And due to smaller magistrate judge courtrooms in Tucson, there is no space available for visiting judges to hear trials."

Roll said the increase in felony court filings is a natural outgrowth of the fact there are now more than 3,000 Border Patrol officers in the Tucson Sector.

Roll's request for the trial delay originally went to the 9th Circuit in November. But it was denied after two judges said they wanted more input from prosecutors and defense lawyers.

The issue is set to come up again next month, Roll said.

A more permanent solution of more judges, by itself, is only part of the answer, he admitted.

He said while the federal courthouse in Tucson is only a decade old, "we are absolutely beyond full occupancy." Roll said that if Congress does eventually approve additional judgeships it should also approve the resources necessary, including additional space.

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http://azstarnet.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_b50d4b7e-70d0-554e-bb0e-960b2a5b5ea5.html
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« Reply #537 on: January 08, 2011, 07:35:51 PM »

as far as motive or who benefits, so far we have:

Postponement of Healthcare reform bill
Federal Judge who was against Brady Bill murdered
Congress to take "actions" to prevent this from happening again
Semi-automatic/automatic gun used so new laws must be created


any others?

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« Reply #538 on: January 08, 2011, 07:37:02 PM »

Judge Roll Was Under Marshal Protection After Prior Threats
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/08/judge-john-roll-dead-killed_n_806239.html

Where were they?
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« Reply #539 on: January 08, 2011, 07:37:12 PM »

msnbc
olberman's guest, Josh Marshall is pushing the government dissent speech is leading to these kinds of events angle
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« Reply #540 on: January 08, 2011, 07:37:16 PM »



Same type of Glock used as VT.
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« Reply #541 on: January 08, 2011, 07:38:05 PM »

Amid Shock, Recalling Judge’s Life of Service
By JOHN SCHWARTZ
Published: January 8, 2011



http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/us/09judge.html?src=twrhp



Judge John M. Roll, Scott Kelly & Mark Kelly are they in any way connected to John Wheeler?
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« Reply #542 on: January 08, 2011, 07:38:12 PM »

Judge Roll Was Under Marshal Protection After Prior Threats
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/08/judge-john-roll-dead-killed_n_806239.html

Where were they?

The Arizona Republic explains all of that

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/08/20110108giffords-roll-backgrounder-on.html
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« Reply #543 on: January 08, 2011, 07:38:31 PM »

as far as motive or who benefits, so far we have:

Postponement of Healthcare reform bill
Federal Judge who was against Brady Bill murdered
Congress to take "actions" to prevent this from happening again
Semi-automatic/automatic gun used so new laws must be created

any others?

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« Reply #544 on: January 08, 2011, 07:39:14 PM »

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2011/01/witness-he-was-just-firing.html
"People that were there were just sitting ducks," Rayle said. "I don't think he was even aiming. He was just firing at whatever."

For someone who wasn't even aiming, the shooter achieved a stunningly high casualty count.

Definitely!  Wow it is amazing that he was able to have hit that many people with such [in]accuracy!
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« Reply #545 on: January 08, 2011, 07:41:34 PM »

A second shooter in Arizona ?  http://snardfarker.ning.com/profiles/blogs/a-second-shooter-in-arizona
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« Reply #546 on: January 08, 2011, 07:41:46 PM »

cnn reported not long ago that Loughner lived not but several miles from the event

fox, that he lived five minutes from the joint

the Judge also lived near by
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« Reply #547 on: January 08, 2011, 07:41:58 PM »

as far as motive or who benefits, so far we have:

Postponement of Healthcare reform bill
Federal Judge who was against Brady Bill murdered
Congress to take "actions" to prevent this from happening again
Semi-automatic/automatic gun used so new laws must be created


any others?

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All the other mainstream Republican candidates (Romney et al.: everybody but Palin ) and certain Dem.'s (Hilary) for the 2012 election.  In other words all the other potential NWO puppets.  Obama and Palin are on the outs at the moment it would appear.  Both of their stocks are going down in flames as we speak/type.

This has to do with 2012 IMO. 
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« Reply #548 on: January 08, 2011, 07:43:10 PM »

CNN news reports one of his fave books was
Alice In Wonderland



That book is rumored to be used in mind control

He was prob aware, cause he was aware of mind control. He had a YouTube video of mind control.

Who know if he is/was making a sarcastic joke when he said AIW is a favorite book.
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« Reply #549 on: January 08, 2011, 07:45:17 PM »

Howard Fineman - 9/11, Oklahoma City, And Now: Lessons For Obama

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/08/wtc-oklahoma-city-and-now_n_806285.html

Fineman thinks Obama should use this false flag just as Bush and Clinton used theirs.
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« Reply #550 on: January 08, 2011, 07:46:12 PM »

All the other mainstream Republican candidates (Romney et al.: everybody but Palin ) and certain Dem.'s (Hilary) for the 2012 election.  In other words all theother potential NWO puppets.  Obama and Palin are on the outs at the moment it would appear.  Both of their stocks are going down in flames as we speak/type.  

Honestly I know Obama would never do it, since he's basically the definition of a puppet...  It might be better off for Obama if he just came clean like JFK did, I mean I know nobody wants to get killed, but he'd basically go from someone people dislike for variety of reasons, to someone who people would look up to, for exposing the truth even though it meant his life... but I don't think he'd ever do what JFK did... BUT IF he did it, I would give him a lot of credit.
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« Reply #551 on: January 08, 2011, 07:46:37 PM »

FLASHBACK - Mark Penn Says Obama Needs ‘Similar Event’ to Oklahoma City to Reconnect with Voters

Mark Penn, Democratic strategist and former chief strategist for Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign, let out the kind of doozy, on last night’s Hardball, that must be seen to be believed. Comparing Obama’s current situation to the aftermath of the 1994 “Republican Revolution,” Penn noted that it took the Oklahoma City tragedy in order for President Clinton to “reconnect” with the American people.

He then stepped off the cliff by saying that President Obama needed a “similar event” to achieve that reconnection following his party’s midterm losses.
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« Reply #552 on: January 08, 2011, 07:46:57 PM »

Wolf Blitzer has been trying to connect her being Jewish with a possible motive, so far failing as far as I can tell.

These goddamned media whores/ presstitutes are shameless.
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« Reply #553 on: January 08, 2011, 07:47:42 PM »

The Congresswoman's voting record (to date):

http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=28507
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« Reply #554 on: January 08, 2011, 07:47:59 PM »

Howard Fineman - 9/11, Oklahoma City, And Now: Lessons For Obama

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/08/wtc-oklahoma-city-and-now_n_806285.html

Fineman thinks Obama should use this false flag just as Bush and Clinton used theirs.

Rather disgusting, imo...

"Fate works in strange ways. This event is the first on the watch of Obama's new chief of staff, and a deal-making, turn-the-heat-down approach to politics is what Bill Daley is all about.

As was the case with Clinton, Obama may be able to remind voters of what they like best about him: his sensible demeanor. Amid the din and ferocity of our political culture, he respectfully keeps his voice down, his emotions in check and his mind open.

That is the pitch, at least. The trick is to make it without seeming to be trying to make it. He will, after all, be speaking at a funeral."
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« Reply #556 on: January 08, 2011, 07:49:14 PM »

Rather disgusting, imo...


Keith Olbermann says you can't talk like that

I have to go down to Wal-Mart and report you, now
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« Reply #557 on: January 08, 2011, 07:50:04 PM »

Olbermann:

"We need to put the guns down"
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« Reply #558 on: January 08, 2011, 07:50:13 PM »

Wolf Blitzer has been trying to connect her being Jewish with a possible motive, so far failing as far as I can tell.

These goddamned media whores/ presstitutes are shameless.

he's an aipac apologist/supporter too

at least he's consistent
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« Reply #559 on: January 08, 2011, 07:52:22 PM »

Olbermann:

"We need to put the guns down"
What Olbermann really means:

"We need to put gun-owners down."
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