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« Reply #400 on: January 08, 2011, 05:37:22 PM »

Right so we've got to make this guy look like a stupid constitutionalist screwball then. Lets make one of those youtube videos, it can't be difficult. I know, we need a flag, and some bloke who looks like him wandering around looking like a nutter. You'll need to wear a mask so they don't know its not him. Wear some plastic bags as trousers, and totter about like a mental case. We'll put some random pointless poorly spelt comments in, anything to make him look useless and crazy. Then he can burn the flag, like his trying to say something, but he is not sure exactly what. Oh yeah and some loud anarchic type music too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L1lsLU-kUw
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« Reply #401 on: January 08, 2011, 05:40:24 PM »


How did the Brady Bill get passed?

George Bush used his closest family outside the Bin Ladens to teach Ronald Reagan a lesson.

RESULT: Hinkley walks free and 300 million Americans have less protection from the 2nd Amendment...they will try it again, now that they assassinated a 2nd Amendment protector!

Hinckley, Bush, Reagan Assassination, World Vision And The Assassin
http://www.john-lennon.net/whoauthorizedtheassassinationofjohnlennon.htm
Ronald Wilson Reagan was sworn into in Presidency on January 20, 1981. On his sixty-ninth day in office, March 30, 1981, Reagan was nearly killed by an assassin. The person named as the assassin was John Hinkley. His family ties were to oil. Through that oil connection, Neil Bush - Vice President George Herbert Walker Bush's son, who worked in oil [later to steal hundreds of millions through Silverdo in the Saving and Loan crisis] -- knew Scott Hinkley, (brother of John) who also worked in oil.  "Scott Hinckley, the brother of John Hinckley Jr., who is charged with shooting President Reagan and three others, was to have been a dinner guest Tuesday night [March 31, 1981] at the home of Neil Bush, son of Vice President George Bush, The Houston Post has learned."

The two families lived close to each other. They knew each other socially and financially. When the Hinkley oil company started to fail in the sixties, Bush's Zapata Oil financially bailed out Hinkley's company. It went from being Vanderbilt Oil to Vanderbilt Energy or Vanderbilt Resources in the 60s after Bush intervened. The Hinkley's had been running an operation with six dead wells but then they were making several million dollars a year after the Bush bailout. Was this some sort of a money-pass front where they were laundering money through on this phony oil operation but actually operating some type of an intelligence pay-off? The father in that family, John W. Hinkley Sr., was also the president of the board for World Vision. World Vision is a far-right evangelical missionary operation that does missionary and "good work" operations in countries where there is a political purpose for it to be there. From its inception, it was rabidly anti-Communist and it focused on refugee populations of people running from countries that had been taken over by Communism. This was from the fifties on.  World Vision had a hand in the movement of the Cubans into the United States and other refugees of revolutionary regimes. When you're a refugee you're cut loose, basically, and pretty much fair game to be manipulated by whoever is willing to give you a hand because you don't have a home or any place to stay and somebody has got to accept you. World Vision was able to recruit out of these mercenary populations, people who could be politically turned to their intelligence purposes. World Vision served as a penetration force -- not as visible as the military actually going in or the CIA going in - but going in as missionaries and working among the people.

This link between missionary and intelligence for capitalistic infiltration operations goes way back. It was part of the internationalism with the Rockefellers. It's talked about in the book, Thy Will Be Done, about Rockefeller, Venezuela, and Latin American Oil, the Summer Linguistic Institute, World Vision and others. But they operated in this way for a long time.  They were paid by the CIA for a long time during the Vietnam War and went into South East Asia -- Cambodia and Laos. Throughout Vietnam they were given U.S. military equipment to use. They still maintain a budget under USAID, (Agency for International Development), which was just a pass-over in order to give the CIA more cover. They ran operations through USAID. The current cover replacing that is the NED (National Endowment for Democracy), which is supposed to be how we're exporting democracy around the world.  But of course, we're exporting exactly the kind of corrupt democracy we have here, which is rigged and manipulated elections and press manipulation in order to keep in power or put in power the people that we want to be in those countries for the purpose of having our investments protected and milking what we can out of the resources and the labor available in any of those countries.

World Vision was part of that scheme and they did some nasty things. They ran the refugee camp in Sabra-Shatilla where the fascist Phalange was allowed in to kill the Palestinians. They ran the Cuban and Thai refugee camps in the United States. The assassin -- who eventually shot John Lennon -- worked at the Thai refugee camps out in Arkansas that World Vision operated there. They ran these camps brutally, forcing people into political education against Castro, refusing to feed people, beating people -- by many reports -- and bringing in Alpha 66 and Omega 7 people (the worst of the killing teams -- or murder squads -- of the anti-Castro Cubans in the United States) to run the camps in Florida, Fort Chafey in Arkansas and other places where the Cuban exiles were. These people came in and there were eventually riots in the Cuban refugee camps against their treatment there. And the eventual assassin of John Lennon just happened to work there.
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Who Authorized The Assassination Of John Lennon?
http://www.john-lennon.net/whoauthorizedtheassassinationofjohnlennon.htm
It took me almost 22 years to figure out who most likely authorized the assassination of John Lennon, the greatest singer songwriter and the most influential political artist of our time. I believe it could have been the CIA that manipulated the assassin of John Winston Lennon, but more likely, I believe a new army of old school CIA, which was let go under President Carter, manipulated the assassin. I believe the assassin was a mind-control experiment, like all their old tricks of MKULTRA, only much more sophisticated. I believe their old boss authorized it. The person the CIA building in Washington D.C. is named after. I believe he was the same person who tried to assassinate President Ronald Wilson Reagan on his sixty-ninth day in office -- March 30, 1981. He is the person with the most to gain from both of these assassinations. So, who authorized the assassination of John Lennon? I believe it was the 41st President of the United States, George Herbert Walker Bush.

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Name: John Hinckley, Jr.

Where are they now? Hinckley was judged not guilty by reason of insanity, sparking nationwide anger and prompting several states to rewrite the rules of their insanity pleas. He’s been chillin’ like a villain at St. Elizabeth’s Mental Hospital in D.C. for the last 25 years, and recently has been judged safe enough to be allowed supervised trips outside the hospital to visit his elderly parents. He was disciplined after one such trip in 2000, however, after smuggling Foster-related materials back into the hostpial.
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« Reply #402 on: January 08, 2011, 05:41:19 PM »

Guys, I just joined today, and I've gotta say both how terrifying, and how exhilarating it is to watch a false flag op unfold before my eyes, and to be able to talk with others who get it, and don't think I'm a paranoid whack-job.  Shocked Grin

It is crazy, isn't it?  This is probably my 3rd or 4th false flag (or possible false flag) where I have been awake and watching "real time".  It is sort of surreal... To be watching the "news" and at the same time coming here to see the media story unraveling before my eyes.  
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« Reply #403 on: January 08, 2011, 05:42:28 PM »

MSNBC Ed Brown show linking mind control ramblings of alleged gunman to "Patriot Movement". How predictable. bastards.
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« Reply #404 on: January 08, 2011, 05:43:35 PM »

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I think that guy is 100% against the 2nd amendment, look up some of his other posts. good researcher, but clueless on the 2nd amendment.
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« Reply #405 on: January 08, 2011, 05:45:50 PM »



i just heard a witness on fox news that the shooter was above 6 ft

This kid is nowhere near 6'



Jackie Storrer (JACKIE STORRER-cq), right, tries her best to figure out the clues on a giant crossword as Jared Loughner (JARED LOUGHNER-cq), a volunteer, stands in the background during the Tucson Festival of Books. Sunday March 14, 2010 (SUNDAY MARCH 14, 2010-cq) Tucson, Arizona photo by: Mamta Popat/Arizona Daily Star Transmission 148522 MANDATORY CREDIT, NO SALES, NO MAG

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« Reply #406 on: January 08, 2011, 05:46:38 PM »

Yes it's very cool. This is what we're talking about when we say things like reality is an illusion. This whole shooting narrative is the illusion while this thread is the real reality deconstructing the illusion. Awsome and inspiring.

Prisonplanet forum delivers.
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« Reply #407 on: January 08, 2011, 05:47:38 PM »

This kid is nowhere near 6'



Jackie Storrer (JACKIE STORRER-cq), right, tries her best to figure out the clues on a giant crossword as Jared Loughner (JARED LOUGHNER-cq), a volunteer, stands in the background during the Tucson Festival of Books. Sunday March 14, 2010 (SUNDAY MARCH 14, 2010-cq) Tucson, Arizona photo by: Mamta Popat/Arizona Daily Star Transmission 148522 MANDATORY CREDIT, NO SALES, NO MAG

http://gallery.pictopia.com/azstar/gallery/102269/photo/8842226/?o=12

No piercings either!
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« Reply #408 on: January 08, 2011, 05:48:53 PM »

I think that guy is 100% against the 2nd amendment, look up some of his other posts. good researcher, but clueless on the 2nd amendment.

Oh, I agree this is an attack on the 2nd amendment as well.  I just think the whole thing might have been tailored to get Sarah out of the way for the real contender TBA.

No, I just posted it with the other thread from GLP to show one of the directions this thing is going:  where it was meant to go?
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« Reply #409 on: January 08, 2011, 05:50:24 PM »

No piercings either!

Whoever was in the video was definitely taller and heavier.
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« Reply #410 on: January 08, 2011, 05:53:04 PM »

I've been following up on Stormfront's thread, and they are worried that the event will be blamed on a WN (white nationalist) because the shooter is a white male who used a g-n and that he likes Mein Kampf, and killed a Jewish female Democrat.
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« Reply #411 on: January 08, 2011, 05:54:16 PM »

Oh, I agree this is an attack on the 2nd amendment as well.  I just think the whole thing might have been tailored to get Sarah out of the way for the real contender TBA.

No, I just posted it with the other thread from GLP to show one of the directions this thing is going:  where it was meant to go?

Where was it meant to go?  More erosion of the 2nd amendment, certainly, but also watch for Napolitano to extend scans to malls and supermarkets.
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« Reply #412 on: January 08, 2011, 05:56:33 PM »



Where was it meant to go?  More erosion of the 2nd amendment, certainly, but also watch for Napolitano to extend scans to malls and supermarkets.


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« Reply #413 on: January 08, 2011, 05:56:40 PM »

Yes it's very cool. This is what we're talking about when we say things like reality is an illusion. This whole shooting narrative is the illusion while this thread is the real reality deconstructing the illusion. Awsome and inspiring.

Prisonplanet forum delivers.

usually when these "events" happen Prison Planet Forumorum is the first place i go to get a clear and concise analysis in realtime, without the censoring of msm...the posters here do a great job

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« Reply #414 on: January 08, 2011, 05:56:59 PM »

Fox tweet:

ALERT: TPD is moving a growing crowd away from Gifford's offices at Pima/Swan due to a "suspicious" package.     11 minutes ago  via web

http://twitter.com/Fox11NewsAZ
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« Reply #415 on: January 08, 2011, 05:57:07 PM »




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Arizona shooter identified as Jared Lee Loughner

Undated photo of Loughner from Facebook.

ST. LOUIS (KMOX) – The shooter in the mass murder of at least six people in Tucson, Arizona has been identified as 22-year-old Jared Lee Loughner.

Loughner reportedly opened fire on a gathering at a Tucson grocery store this morning, killing an untold number and wounding more than a dozen, including a federal judge and Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.

Loughner was described as a white male with short hair and dark clothing.

A Myspace page, writen in the past tense and attributed to a “Jared Loughner” of Tucson, reads, “Schools:I attended school: Thornydale elementary,Tortolita Middle School, Mountain View Highschool, Northwest Aztec Middle College, and Pima Community College. Interests: My favorite interest was reading, and I studied grammar. Conscience dreams were a great study in college! Movies:(*My idiom: I could coin the moment!*) Music:Pass me the strings! Books:I had favorite books: Animal Farm, Brave New World, The Wizard Of OZ, Aesop Fables, The Odyssey, Alice Adventures Into Wonderland, Fahrenheit 451, Peter Pan, To Kill A Mockingbird, We The Living, Phantom Toll Booth, One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest, Pulp,Through The Looking Glass, The Communist Manifesto, Siddhartha, The Old Man And The Sea, Gulliver’s Travels, Mein Kampf, The Republic, and Meno.”

A Facebook page for Loughner was removed around 4:20 p.m. Saturday. The above photo was pulled from that page.

Also, a ”Jared Loughner” of Tucson was once photographed at a “festival of Books” event seen here.

Loughner’s Youtube account can be found here. In the videos Loughner accuses the federal government of brain-washing and attacks the Constitution and the lack of a gold standard in regards to U.S. currency.

“In conclusion, reading the second United States Constitution, I can’t trust the current government because of the ratifications. The government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar,” he writes.

“No! I won’t pay debt with a currency that’s not backed by gold and silver!” Loughner writes. “No! I won’t trust in God!”

Reports also indicate that Loughner met the Congresswoman in 2007, later referring to her as “stupid and unintelligent” according to highschool friend Caitie Parker.

“He was a pot head and into rock, like Hendrix, The Doors, Anti-Flag. I haven’t seen him in person since 2007 in a sign language class. As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal and oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy. He had a lot of friends until he got alcohol poisoning in 2006 and dropped out of school. Mainly a loner, very philosophical,” she wrote.

Below is a screenshot of Loughner’s Myspace page before it was removed.



http://kmox.cbslocal.com/2011/01/08/arizona-shooter-identified-as-jared-lee-loughner/
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« Reply #416 on: January 08, 2011, 05:57:47 PM »

Where was it meant to go?  More erosion of the 2nd amendment, certainly, but also watch for Napolitano to extend scans to malls and supermarkets.

Too perfect to blame on Palin.  Again, I am not a fan of hers.
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« Reply #417 on: January 08, 2011, 05:57:51 PM »

It is crazy, isn't it?  This is probably my 3rd or 4th false flag (or possible false flag) where I have been awake and watching "real time".  It is sort of surreal... To be watching the "news" and at the same time coming here to see the media story unraveling before my eyes.  

Here is a quick summary off the top of my head for the last few shooting false flags:

Columbine: at least 5 gunmen, up to 10...the patsies were executed

Virginia Tech: at least 6 gunmen, school was running multiple drills, teachers knoew it was going to happen, patsy was 100% mind controlled nutcase who was on multiple lists. The patsy's sister works for McNeil Group (Pentagon Intelligence Operations) and the State Department. Neither of those organizations were under any scrutiny. They sent some insane manifesto to General Electric along with the name of an MK Ultra Psychiatrist out of Turkey.

Voong: at least 4 gunmen, victims were tied up and murdered execution style. Cops were there within 50 seconds and there was a helicopter on the scene before the operation started. Military came in to block off the whole town and the patsy had 5 different identities. In the end, the actual patsy reported being heavily stalked by authorities.

4 Seattle cops: At least 3 gunmen, the patsy's house was burned to the ground and it was disclosed he was a DEA informant and was in the same hospital as MK Ultra studies occured.

Fort Hood: At least 5 shooters and at least 3 different locations. No one identified the patsy by looks only by his ID. The patsy was reported dead for 3 hours, then they lost the body on the way to the morgue, then he magically became alive so they rerouted him to a maximum security hospital and kept him heavily medicated. He was on George Bush's task force for Homeland Security attending meetings with homegrown trilateral terrorists like Jane Lute and Ruth David.
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« Reply #418 on: January 08, 2011, 06:02:11 PM »

I've been following up on Stormfront's thread, and they are worried that the event will be blamed on a WN (white nationalist) because the shooter is a white male who used a g-n and that he likes Mein Kampf, and killed a Jewish female Democrat.

she did not die, and who the hell knew she was jewish?

but that is besides the point. in a false flag like this, they lay 1,000 pieces of evidence to intimidate many various sub elite factions (like the BS white supremecists) to back off or they will get blamed.

For JFK, they had like 10 narratives...

cubans

mafia

russians

guns

cmmunists

driver

jackie

on and on and on...that is the nature of a false flag...the last thing they want you to do is just look at the crime scene evidence.
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« Reply #419 on: January 08, 2011, 06:04:11 PM »

Drudge exposes insane headlines and contradictory nuttiness...


At least 18 injured...
Person in crowd shot at gunman...
CAPITOL POLICE URGES CONGRESS TO TAKE PRECAUTIONS...
BOEHNER: 'An attack on one who serves is an attack on all who serve'...
OBAMA: 'UNSPEAKABLE TRAGEDY'...
Gunman ID'ed as Jared Loughner... YOUTUBE...
MYSPACE GENERATION: Suspect Says Goodbye Online: 'Please don't be mad at me -- I cannot rest'...



1,000% staged, judge was executed and all of congress has been taught a lesson: "nowhere to run from the NWO".

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE MITRE OPERATIVE ASSASSINATION?

WHAT HAPPENED TO THOUSANDS OF BIRDS, MILLIONS OF FISH BEING KILLED BY SUPER CHEM WEAPONS?

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE STAGED MITRE/CFR SMOKE BOMB OPERATION?

WHAT HAPPENED TO THEFT OF $30 TRILLION?


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SURPRISE

Obama moves on Internet ID for Americans while nation is distracted

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-20027837-501465.html

January 7, 2011 4:31 PM

Obama Eyeing Internet ID for Americans
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STANFORD, Calif. - President Obama is planning to hand the U.S. Commerce Department authority over a forthcoming cybersecurity effort to create an Internet ID for Americans, a White House official said here today.

It's "the absolute perfect spot in the U.S. government" to centralize efforts toward creating an "identity ecosystem" for the Internet, White House Cybersecurity Coordinator Howard Schmidt said.

That news, first reported by CNET, effectively pushes the department to the forefront of the issue, beating out other potential candidates including the National Security Agency and the Department of Homeland Security. The move also is likely to please privacy and civil liberties groups that have raised concerns in the past over the dual roles of police and intelligence agencies.

The announcement came at an event today at the Stanford Institute for Economic Policy Research, where U.S. Commerce Secretary Gary Locke and Schmidt spoke.

The Obama administration is currently drafting what it's calling the National Strategy for Trusted Identities in Cyberspace, which Locke said will be released by the president in the next few months. (An early version was publicly released last summer.)

"We are not talking about a national ID card," Locke said at the Stanford event. "We are not talking about a government-controlled system. What we are talking about is enhancing online security and privacy and reducing and perhaps even eliminating the need to memorize a dozen passwords, through creation and use of more trusted digital identities."

The Commerce Department will be setting up a national program office to work on this project, Locke said.

Details about the "trusted identity" project are unusually scarce. Last year's announcement referenced a possible forthcoming smart card or digital certificate that would prove that online users are who they say they are. These digital IDs would be offered to consumers by online vendors for financial transactions.

Schmidt stressed today that anonymity and pseudonymity will remain possible on the Internet. "I don't have to get a credential if I don't want to," he said. There's no chance that "a centralized database will emerge," and "we need the private sector to lead the implementation of this," he said.

Inter-agency rivalries to claim authority over cybersecurity have exited ever since many responsibilities were centralized in the Department of Homeland Security as part of its creation nine years ago. Three years ago, proposals were were circulating in Washington to transfer authority to the secretive NSA, which is part of the U.S. Defense Department.

In March 2009, Rod Beckstrom, director of Homeland Security's National Cybersecurity Center, resigned through a letter that gave a rare public glimpse into the competition for budgetary dollars and cybersecurity authority. Beckstrom said at the time that the NSA "effectively controls DHS cyber efforts through detailees, technology insertions," and has proposed moving some functions to the agency's Fort Meade, Md., headquarters.

I'm not trying to derail the thread but I can't believe they're ACTUALLY f**king doing this....
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« Reply #420 on: January 08, 2011, 06:04:43 PM »




This reminds me of those "bin laden" videos/ photos.  lol

This doesn't even look like the same guy in these claims.

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« Reply #421 on: January 08, 2011, 06:05:42 PM »

CHECK IT! Jared Laughner has a HIDDEN YOUTUBE ACCOUNT, still up!!
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THIS IS STRANGE! Youtube video from 2008 tagged with "classitup10" as well as "Jared Lee Laughner"
 
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Thanking Sarah Palin for giving us HOPE. Merry Christmas!

get more at [ http://www.youtube.com/user/noreast77#p/u/1/IyACeKDs92E  ]


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noreast77 - has another video that is very interesting:
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Outlining surveillance society and the false image of freedom.

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http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1315724/pg1
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« Reply #422 on: January 08, 2011, 06:10:56 PM »

Press conference on cnn.com just said they believe he came with a second individual.
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« Reply #423 on: January 08, 2011, 06:12:23 PM »

CHECK IT! Jared Laughner has a HIDDEN YOUTUBE ACCOUNT, still up!!
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THIS IS STRANGE! Youtube video from 2008 tagged with "classitup10" as well as "Jared Lee Laughner"
 
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Thanking Sarah Palin for giving us HOPE. Merry Christmas!

get more at [ http://www.youtube.com/user/noreast77#p/u/1/IyACeKDs92E  ]


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Outlining surveillance society and the false image of freedom.

another thread from GLP:


http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1315724/pg1
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HAHAHAHAAHAHAHHA

You got punk'd.

Somebody modified their tags.

Noticed how jared lee laughner is only tagged in the sarah palin video and none of the others?
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« Reply #424 on: January 08, 2011, 06:12:31 PM »

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Obama moves on Internet ID for Americans while nation is distracted

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-20027837-501465.html


yup, that is definitely going on and why there are so many accounts.

Amazingly, the contracts have altready been awarded to cisco!



The National Strategy for Trusted Identities in Cyberspace
http://blogs.cisco.com/security/the_national_strategy_for_trusted_identities_in_cyberspace/
Jim Fenton | July 13, 2010 at 12:00 pm PST


On June 25, the US Government released the National Strategy for Trusted Identities in Cyberspace (NSTIC, pronounced “N-stick”) for public review and comment. NSTIC is a recognition of the need for a secure identity infrastructure to address the current fraud on the Internet, and the need to support additional applications that are not well supported by current identity systems.

While in many countries it is natural to think of the Government as the manager for one’s online identity, this makes many Americans, and indeed the US Government, very uncomfortable. NSTIC addresses this concern through an Identity Ecosystem, an accredited community of Identity Providers supporting authentication and Attribute Providers providing trustable information about users. The concept is to provide users with freedom of choice on what identity provider(s) to trust with their authentication credentials, and what attribute providers should be trusted to provide reliable information about the user.

The NSTIC comments website currently has about 300 feedback and idea items about the draft, with votes and comments on many of these ideas. It appears from many of the comments and from some press coverage that there are some misconceptions about NSTIC and what it is trying to do. Here are a few of them:

Privacy — There is concern that this will lead to a Government-run identity system with extensive surveillance power. The idea of the Identity Ecosystem is much the opposite — the user should get to choose an Identity Provider they trust. Although it doesn’t explicitly say this, users should have the ability to use more than one, just as they might do business with more than one bank or have more than one credit card or brokerage account. It is true that Identity Providers will be subject to legal process (e.g., subpoenas) but this isn’t really any different from the non-online world.

Existing technologies — Several of the comments suggest that the use of existing technologies such as OpenID or PGP is the solution to the problem. If that were entirely the case, we would probably have an Identity Ecosystem already. But while existing technologies will hopefully have a part in the eventual solution, none are a complete answer to the problem. Furthermore, identity management is equally a business issue: issues around liability, who pays for the service, and trust, which is fundamentally a policy/contract issue, need to be resolved in addition to the technical issues.

Security — A centrally-located database of user credentials is a very high-value target to attack, and several comments assert that centralized management of credentials is necessarily more insecure than distributed management. If this were true for money, we would all be keeping cash in our mattresses. It is true that identity providers are going to need very high security. But this is a risk that we can insure against, and centralized identity management has the potential to detect fraud in the same way that credit card companies do–by watching for unusual behavior patterns and contacting the user if there are indications of compromise.

Of course, there are a number of unanswered questions and issues that remain in this draft document. Here are a few that should be addressed:

How do we establish a workable business model for identity management? In several places the document mentions incentives for various things, but the form of these incentives isn’t clear. It isn’t a sustainable model for the Government to provide ongoing funding to identity management; a service is being provided here and someone needs to pay for it. Do the relying parties pay for authentication and attribute services? Does the user buy “identity theft insurance” that includes the services of an Identity Provider?

What is the international structure of NSTIC? In today’s global business environment, the interoperability of the technical components and the ability to extend the trust relationships across international boundaries is critical.
How does the governance structure work? NSTIC describes a model where the participants are accredited by a number of entities that are certified by a Governance Authority. It would be good to know who the Governance Authority is, but it is really the parties to the transaction that decide to accept the accreditation of other parties in the transaction. What additional value does the Governance Authority bring to this, and does it create new problems in international situations?

Is there a provision for low-value transactions as well? The Government tends to deal in high-value transactions (access to sensitive information, large amounts of money, etc.), so it is natural that there would be a lot of focus on making sure that NSTIC is secure enough for these uses. However, many real-world transactions are very low value/risk, and they should not be burdened with requirements aimed at more onerous uses. “Friction” is a significant problem for these low value transactions; if it’s too inconvenient to “buy” a song on the Web, a lot fewer will be “sold”. If one has to do two-factor authentication to make a comment on someone’s blog, the comment will probably just not be made. Identity providers need to support different methods of authentication depending on the value and risk involved.

It is important that NSTIC remain focused on issues that can have a direct effect on trusted identity. Three technologies mentioned in the strategy, DNSSEC, BGPSEC, and IPSEC, fall outside that category. The Strategy should not specify particular technologies, regardless of their merits. In the short term, enabling trusted identity should not be dependent on the Internet upgrading en masse. In the long term, coupling trusted identity to specific technologies could inhibit adoption of new and better technologies and processes.

Overall, it’s very good news to see that the Government recognizes the problems we are having with managing identities online. NSTIC is a great start, and having a public discourse on its merits is important for a subject that affects people as personally as identity management. Read the draft strategy thoughtfully and provide feedback and ideas; public input is solicited through July 19.
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« Reply #425 on: January 08, 2011, 06:13:48 PM »

Q&A on now at the CNN feed.

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« Reply #426 on: January 08, 2011, 06:14:02 PM »

19 reported shot now

in a crowd of 20 to 25

FBI now reporting:
we believe the suspect acted alone
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« Reply #427 on: January 08, 2011, 06:14:43 PM »

Sheriff of Pima county is vilifying speach against the government!
-all news channels

I should get the exact quote really
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« Reply #428 on: January 08, 2011, 06:14:51 PM »

I've been following up on Stormfront's thread, and they are worried that the event will be blamed on a WN (white nationalist) because the shooter is a white male who used a g-n and that he likes Mein Kampf, and killed a Jewish female Democrat.

Stormfront?  I believe Stormfront is nothing but cointelpro anyway so what they have to say is pretty moot.

Besides, at this stage of the game the congresswoman is still alive.
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« Reply #429 on: January 08, 2011, 06:15:16 PM »


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Let's get into that subject over here:

Topic: Obama: We Will Stop Wikileaks by Issuing Everyone the Internet ID. 
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=197556.0
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« Reply #430 on: January 08, 2011, 06:15:22 PM »

About the Obama identity crap, look at California's unconstitutional bullshit...

California Bill Criminalizing Online Impersonations In Effect Starting Today
http://techcrunch.com/2011/01/01/california-bill-criminalizing-online-impersonations-in-effect-starting-today/
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« Reply #431 on: January 08, 2011, 06:15:27 PM »

sigh...

I just checked in at Free Republic and Democratic Underground.  As can be expected, it looks pretty conclusive that Laughner was a commie teabagger.
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« Reply #432 on: January 08, 2011, 06:18:20 PM »

Sheriff of Pima county is vilifying speach against the government!

I should get the exact quote really

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HE SHOULD SPEAK OUT AGAINST ANTI-GOVERNMENT TERRORISTS!

LIKE  THE ONES WHO KILLED JFK

LIKE THE ONES WHO KILLED RFK

LIKE THE ONES WHO KILLED CONGRESSMAN RYAN COVERED UP BY BRZEZINSKI

LIKE THE ONES WHO KILLED WELLSTONE

WE ARE EXPOSING THE TRIILATERAL TERRORISTS WHO HATE US FOR OUR FREEDOMS AND WHO ARE PLANNING A COUP

INVESTIGATE WHO KILLED THE JUDGE, WHO WOULD KILL A PRO-SECOND AMENDMENT JUDGE?
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« Reply #433 on: January 08, 2011, 06:18:47 PM »

Sheriff claims no exchange of gunfire and that no security nor authorities were at the scene at the time of the shooting

two people tackled shooter with ammo still in his weapon
-all news channels
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« Reply #434 on: January 08, 2011, 06:18:54 PM »

sheriff clarence dubnik said on press conference right now on KVOA "we have reason to believe another individual was involved"
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« Reply #435 on: January 08, 2011, 06:20:41 PM »

How is this not staged!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"CANTOR: Healthcare repeal vote to be postponed in House next week due to shooting...developing..."
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« Reply #436 on: January 08, 2011, 06:20:46 PM »

About the Obama identity crap, look at California's unconstitutional bullshit...

California Bill Criminalizing Online Impersonations In Effect Starting Today
http://techcrunch.com/2011/01/01/california-bill-criminalizing-online-impersonations-in-effect-starting-today/
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http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=196937.0

Hate to disagree with someone with 55k posts on my first day, but this law only applies to impersonating a real person, which is already a crime (and should be, IMO). Unlike Obama's "internet id", the CA law doesn't say anything about aliases, multiple id's, or false id's, as long as you don't pretend to be me.
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« Reply #437 on: January 08, 2011, 06:20:52 PM »

sigh...

I just checked in at Free Republic and Democratic Underground.  As can be expected, it looks pretty conclusive that Laughner was a commie supporter teabagger of the hijacked tea party.

Okay, that's better!
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« Reply #438 on: January 08, 2011, 06:20:55 PM »

sheriff clarence dubnik said on press conference right now on KVOA "we have reason to believe another individual was involved"

I thought I heard that but I was reading other crap at the time I heard it.  The FBI stepped up immediately and said they would not discuss the sheriff's remarks.
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« Reply #439 on: January 08, 2011, 06:21:04 PM »

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