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« on: January 07, 2011, 02:04:21 AM »

2UE's Tracey Spicer spoke to The Australian Vaccination Network Inc. President, Meryl Dorey about the information that she has put up on her website about Vaccination and how we shouldn't vaccinate our children

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« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2011, 09:46:01 AM »

We need to be careful here. Not getting any vaccine might be about as bad as getting them.  Some diseases man has no natural defense against, like polio so it would be wise to get vaccinated against that.

The flu vaccines are different. Especially ones like the H1N1, which was available after the pandemic was already on the decline.

Maybe we need to revisit how they are administered, separate them out over a longer period of time so they don't cause issues in kids... if there really is a link between autism and vaccines, which is still inconclusive.
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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2011, 11:36:08 PM »

We need to be careful here. Not getting any vaccine might be about as bad as getting them.  Some diseases man has no natural defense against, like polio so it would be wise to get vaccinated against that.

The flu vaccines are different. Especially ones like the H1N1, which was available after the pandemic was already on the decline.

Maybe we need to revisit how they are administered, separate them out over a longer period of time so they don't cause issues in kids... if there really is a link between autism and vaccines, which is still inconclusive.

It's untrue that humans have no natural defense against polio. One of the body's defenses to all viral infections is fever, which inhibits RNA replication in a virus. One reason why fever should never be discouraged unless it's threatening organ failure. It's also untrue that polio spreads quickly and infects large numbers. In fact in the United States a massive outbreak of polio was a direct result of the beginning of a national campaign to vaccinate all children. People forget that polio vaccines caused all those cases of polio, virtually all of which occurred in non vaccinated children, they just remember polio put children in iron lungs and killed them. I discuss this phenomenon and others in my thread on vaccines causing diseases rather than preventing them.
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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2011, 09:32:50 AM »

http://www.vaccineinjury.info/vaccinations-in-general.html

About Vaccinations in general and in regards to children.

 

Since the last 200 years, when vaccines were introduced by Edward Jenner in the today's conventional meaning the effectiveness and dangers of vaccinations have proven themselves to be controversial. Vaccinations in their principle are an attack to the immune system. This especially applies to infants, toddlers and young children.

The objective is to give the child's body protection against diseases, without having to go through the symptoms of the actual disease.The child's immune system however has not matured within the first months of life and relies primarily on its protection derived by the mother's immunoglobulins. In the first months of life, the childs cellular immune system learns to distinguish between "self" and "foreign".The development of the cellular immune system can easily be disturbed by such a vaccination, for now new agents are introduced into the organism, which can disturb the delicate balance during the development of such a immune system. By early introduction of vaccines to the child's organism, it is possible that vaccines are not now recognized as foreign and the body fails to react, because the cellular immune system has not yet developed the necessary maturity. In such cases it is then called a vaccine failure. The body tolerates the vaccine and accepts it as something coherent and natural, instead identifing it as a foreign virus, inwhich case the immune system does not fight it off. The viruses can live on in the undisturbed cellular response and subsequently leads to changes in cells and genetic material.

 

As mentioned above, the vaccine bypasses the natural route of infection via the mucous membranes of the digestive or respiratory tract. This means that the immune system is stimulated in a non-natural way. The vaccine antibody titers are often low however need to maintain a protective level of the boosted, and this by further contact with the natural pathogens or by a reduction of the same by means of a further vaccination - also called a booster dose. A booster dose also stimulates the primary vaccination, the humoral immune (antibody accumulation) and not the cellular immune system. It is especially the cellular immune system which is naturally activated in the first year of life as the primary defense system, thus a vaccine but virtually bypasses at "will" as it stimulates the humoral immune system. This is also the reason why some vaccines sometimes work in an adults immune system, in infants immune system however, this is not useful. (Martin Hirte: Impfen: Pro& Contra S. 49-52).

 

From the perspective of modern immunology, it would be advisable to equation the "success" of a vaccination not only by the antibody (humoral) count, but also on the measurement of T-cells, and especially in the balance of the shift in the Th1/Th2 .

 

Even the nervous system is not yet completely developed in an infants body and therefor more vulnerable. All nerve strands have a protective cover called myelin sheath.

The growth of the myelin sheaths surrounding the nerves of the central nervous system begins as of time of birth to grow, this begins in the brain stem and then gradually branches into higher brain sections. By the age of 10 years, this process reaches the cerebral cortex. (Martin Hirte: Impfen: Pro& Contra p. 47).The central nervous system in young children are thus more prone to react to such interference from the outside, than is cases of adulthood.

 

If vaccinated it is necessary that one is perfectly healthy, be it a child or as an adult. There are a number of other contraindications, from a homoeopathic point of view, as to why one should not be vaccinated. In Switzerland is for example, a foundation for consumer vaccines which encourages a independant vaccine decision.

 

Also, during pregnancy should not be vaccinated.

 

More about: vaccinations and immune system

 
The questionable Immunisation

The WHO is playing a major role in this, when it comes to the topic vaccines. At first glance primarily epidemiological and social goals are pursued. One would like to eradicate disease and reduce costs in the health sector (the vaccination costs less) than the treatment. Inorder to do this however a mass vaccination campaign is necessary, by using increased media and public advocates for recommendations of mass vaccination inorder to come closer to this goal.

 

This objective has only partially something to do with the goal of the individual humanbeing. One has to undoubtly question whether one wants to adhere to the superior goal of the WHO, or if one wants to take a damage caused by the vaccination in itself into consideration or decides not to get vaccinated at all.

 

To enforce mass vaccination, the public is increasingly cohersed by a factor called "fear". The Formerly "harmless" and normal childhood diseases are now sometimes portrayed as a dangerous disease, so oppositional parents are quickly encouranged to vaccinate their children.

 

Also vaccinators ergo: the physcians are needed at this point. The very first principle of the physician: "Primum nil nocere" is not to hurt his patients in the first place. However Information about vaccinations or training thereof are but almost and universally sponsored by vaccine manufacturers only. Objectiveness regarding the vaccines or vaccine itself can therefore not be expected. Every physican should be aware of this fact.

 

In Germany, vaccination recommendations will be imposed by the STIKO (Vaccine commission). Martin Hirte writes: "The STIKO currently consists of seventeen professionals: clinicial personell and scientists in microbiology and immunology, mostly professors of medical schools - and representatives of the public health and practicing physicians....Objective vaccine critics can not be found in the STIKO. Members of the STIKO on the contrary, have a rather close relationship with the pharmaceutical industry. This comment is supported by joint appearances with pharmaceutical representatives in so-called "press conferences" (for recording Press, 1999) or sponsorship of business trips by pharmaceutical companies. Joint projects such as the measles workshop "between the Robert Koch Institute, the Green Cross, and three great vaccine maunfactures express the intensity of the relationships from .... on the international level, WHO is a overwelming representative of the vaccine idea. Also, it is in very close contact with the pharmaceutical industry to sponsor high-level positions and branches, or even occupies pharmaceutical employees (BUKO 1999) "(Martin Hirte: Impfen Pro & Contra, p. 26-27)

 
Research and studies

To underpin the effectiveness and harmlessness of vaccines is alot of research and investigation necessary. Unfortunately, medical research is increasingly being sponsored by the pharmaceutical industry. The Arzneitelegram writes in 1999 that the quality and statements of such studies are being sacrificed for the marketing idea. In other words, Studies sponsored by pharmaceutical companies usually fall out more positive than those without such sponsoring with the usual financial relationship to the industry.C ampbell, Louis and Blumenthal discovered in a survey that 43% of 2000 medical researchlabs over the past 3 years received gifts from the pharmaceutical industry - partly under the condition that the gifts affect of the carried out publication outcome. ( Campbell, Louis and Blumenthal Looking a gift horse in the mouth, JAMA 1998, 279 (13) 995-999

 

Studies on the security of vaccines today are, unfortunately, often carried out over a much too short period of time. There are very little longterm studies done on the subject .But these longterm studies are of importance in forsight of the increasing allergic and autoimmune diseases. In studies that are observed only a few days or weeks, the long-term consequences can not be effectively determined. STIKO is well aware of this dilemma. This writes a Prof. Dr. Dittmann, vice. Chairman of the STIKO in Bundesgesundheitsblatt, Issue 4 / 2002:

 

"This current partly insufficient knowledge does not allow the rendering nor the exclusion of a causal relationship [2] between certain diseases and with certain vaccinations ... The world's collected material proved to be insufficient for a overall reliable assessment. The complications were considered to be 'unknown risks where evidence is inadequate to accept or reject a causal relation '[3] and are classified as such.

 

The Expert Committee called the reasons for the lack of this knowledge :

- Lack of understanding of the underlying biological effects of vaccination
Sequences.

- Insufficient or contradictory case reports and study results

- Insufficient amount or too short follow-up in many epidemiological [4] studies

- Limited value of the existing surveillance systems [5] in terms of Causality [2]

- In relation to the number of epidemiological studies too few experimental studies were carried out "

 

Ongoing consequences of this, have not been made. Some vaccines may be recommended in spite of uncertain data, the situation continues. The health of individuals is not being placed in priority, but rather overriding interests apply (see above) and are pursued.

 
is and Blumenthal Looking a gift horse in the mouth, JAMA 1998, 279 (13) 995-999

 

Studies on the security of vaccines today are, unfortunately, often carried out over a much too short period of time. There are very little longterm studies done on the subject .But these longterm studies are of importance in forsight of the increasing allergic and autoimmune diseases. In studies that are observed only a few days or weeks, the long-term consequences can not be effectively determined. STIKO is well aware of this dilemma. This writes a Prof. Dr. Dittmann, vice. Chairman of the STIKO in Bundesgesundheitsblatt, Issue 4 / 2002:

 

"This current partly insufficient knowledge does not allow the rendering nor the exclusion of a causal relationship [2] between certain diseases and with certain vaccinations ... The world's collected material proved to be insufficient for a overall reliable assessment. The complications were considered to be 'unknown risks where evidence is inadequate to accept or reject a causal relation '[3] and are classified as such.

 

The Expert Committee called the reasons for the lack of this knowledge :

- Lack of understanding of the underlying biological effects of vaccination
Sequences.

- Insufficient or contradictory case reports and study results

- Insufficient amount or too short follow-up in many epidemiological [4] studies

- Limited value of the existing surveillance systems [5] in terms of Causality [2]

- In relation to the number of epidemiological studies too few experimental studies were carried out "

 

Ongoing consequences of this, have not been made. Some vaccines may be recommended in spite of uncertain data, the situation continues. The health of individuals is not being placed in priority, but rather overriding interests apply (see above) and are pursued.

 
 
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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2011, 09:36:37 AM »

http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/2011/08/survey-results-are-unvaccinated-children-healthier/


Survey Results: Are Unvaccinated Children Healthier?

by Sarah, The Healthy Home Economist on August 25, 2011



In December 2010, a comprehensive survey was initiated by the German site impfshaden.info and its counterpart vaccineinjury.info to compare the health of vaccinated versus unvaccinated children.  As far as I know, no survey or study of this kind has ever been conducted except for a compilation of statistics of the patients of Dr. Mayer Eisenstein MD, a pediatrician based in Chicago.

Over 7,500 surveys have been filled out so far, and while this project is ongoing, the results are starting to be published.

Please note that only the health of entirely unvaccinated children was evaluated.  Parents were also asked to review the birthing records for their children to ensure that their baby had not mistakenly received the Hep B jab before being taken home.

I am happy to report that all 3 of my children participated in this survey.  I am proud to have been part of this important, worldwide effort to help inform the public about the clear and present dangers of vaccination.

The market for vaccines is expected to surpass $36 billion dollars by 2013.  Vaccines are clearly an important growth industry for Big Pharma.  Just witness the rapid increase in the childhood vaccination schedule from 3 shots in 1950 to 68 vaccines by age 11-12 today (25 of those by the age of 6 months)!

In 1986, it cost a parent about $80 for her child to receive every government recommended vaccine.   In 2011, it cost $2200! Clearly, vaccines are one of the fastest growing sectors of the pharmaceutical industry.  $4 billion in tax dollars are spent every year purchasing vaccines for health clinics in the United States alone.

Big Pharma does not want the results of a survey like this to be published as it threatens their very reliable and growing oil well of profits:  childhood vaccination.   This is why surveys like this will never be reported objectively on the evening news or in major newspapers.
Who Participated in the Survey?

75% of the surveys were filled out in English and 25% in German.  Most of the respondents were from the USA followed by the UK, Canada, and Australia.

Slightly more completely unvaccinated children are male than female and the children are primarily between the ages of 0-2 years of age followed by 2-4 years and 5-6 years.   This makes sense as the momentum against vaccination has only gained steam in the past 5 years or so.

Most of the children participating in the survey were breastfed for longer than 6 months and their parents preferred natural or homeopathic remedies to allopathic (drugs/surgery) methods for illness intervention.

Over 99% of the parents who chose to completely unvaccinate their children were happy with their decision.  Can the same be said for those who choose to vaccinate?  I highly doubt it.  I hear from people all the time who greatly regret their decision to give into doctor or family pressure to immunize.

The biggest reasons for not vaccinating were a concern over the ingredients and that the shots would be ineffective. 25% of respondents had seen a vaccine reaction in a friend or family member and had decided not to vaccinate for that reason.

One respondent wrote:

“As a speech-language pathologist in the pediatric setting, I have seen many cases of children having seizures within 36-72 hours following routine vaccines with a traumatic regression in the child’s brain and language and overall development.  I feel in my heart, it is linked to vaccines and do not want to subject any of my children to this.”
Are Unvaccinated Children Truly Healthier Than Vaccinated?

Ok, let’s get down to brass tacks.  Are unvaccinated children really healthier?

Here are the stats:

    * Less than 10% of unvaccinated children suffer from allergies of any kind.    This compares with 40% of children in the USA ages 3-17 reporting an allergy to at least one allergen and 22.9% with an allergic disease.
    * .2% of unvaccinated children suffer from asthma.  This compares with 14-15% of vaccinated children with asthma in Australia, 4.7% in Germany, and 6% in the USA.
    * 1.5% of unvaccinated children suffer from hayfever.   This compares with 10.7% in Germany.
    * 2% of unvaccinated children had neurodermatitis.   This auto-immune disorder affects over 13% of children in Germany.
    * ADHD was present in only 1-2% of the unvaccinated children.  This compares with nearly 8% of children in Germany with ADHD and another 5.9% borderline cases.
    * Middle ear infections are very rare in unvaccinated children (less than .5%).  In Germany, 11% of children suffer from this problem.
    * Less than 1% of unvaccinated children had experienced sinusitis.  This compares with over 32% of children in Germany.
    * Only 4 unvaccinated children out of the 7,600+ total surveys reported severe autism.  In all 4 cases, however, the mother tested very high for mercury.   In the USA, approximately 1 in 100 children suffer this neurological illness and 1 in every 38 boys in the UK.

These results are no surprise to those who chose to not to vaccinate their children.  While not vaccinating is no guarantee of health for your child, the odds are certainly in your favor of far fewer problems both in the short and long term should you forgo immunization.

It seems by quite a landslide that unvaccinated children are indeed healthier than vaccinated children.

For  those parents on the fence or still contemplating their decision, the results of this survey should help bring into sharp focus the slam dunk of not vaccinating.

Still have questions?  See all my posts on vaccination by clicking here.

To view the entire survey results, click here.

Sarah, TheHealthyHomeEconomist.com

Source:  The Health of Unvaccinated Children, Survey Results


   
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