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« on: January 05, 2011, 10:02:45 AM »

It looks like, so far at least, Rand Paul is going to come out swinging. Everyone still remembers how the mainstream media and the GOP/DNP did not like the fact he has been elected at all.

On election night the mainstream media was going on about how Rand Paul just attained the power to destroy the world. I think some people who are connected were actually scared a little bit judging from the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gspmXiD9xI8&NR=1

Well Rand Paul is talking about fighting that debt ceiling and cut spending just like he did when was elected. He also wants a deal made to balance the budget if the debt ceiling is increased.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO9KaSrj1sM

Could he really block this all by himself? We all know that the GOP is really just bluffing on blocking it but Rand seems to have the balls to actually stand by his word. It would be hard but it would also be amazing if Rand stands up in Congress and filibusters increasing the debt ceiling pretty much by himself.  
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« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2011, 10:37:34 AM »

Just like his father, he cannot do anything by himself--Ron Paul has been in for a very long time, and it wasn't until he got exposure for running for President, did the people stand up and take notice.  Rand is playing it smart, he is getting exposure, so that he can charge the people to rally behind him.  That is the best way to do things-- is come out swinging!  The other colleagues cannot ignore him nor can the corporate media simply cannot ignore that and they know it!
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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2011, 10:42:20 AM »

I hope he does.  But these punks in the Government will blame all economic problems on Rand Paul in the future.
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« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2011, 10:46:20 AM »

Well there were several `Tea Party` politicians elected to Congress this cycle. Rand talked about attempting to rally these Congressmen into a faction in Congress so he might be able to get some support when the s**t hits the fan this year. Although, he is just a freshmen member of the Senate so a lot of those `professional` politicians have a lot of pull over his head. Yet, in these wild and uncertain times Rand just might be able to make a splash despite the up hill battle which he is up against.  
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« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2011, 05:02:31 PM »

I'll be interested to see what budget adjustments he pushes for. Will he become another neocon or are we going to see genuine change?
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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2011, 05:23:22 PM »

Senate Rules:
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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2011, 11:14:42 AM »

After looking over the `rules of the Senate` Rand will need some time to get into the groove. Support will be a must for him to get anything done. It appears that the Senate has a lot of `rules` in place which could be used to keep him in check for a while. There are a lot of things a small group of Senators could do to either propel Rand`s agenda, which remains to be put into action just yet, or keep him on the outside looking in. 
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« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2011, 12:09:29 PM »

As usual, the banking elite are playing chess while everyone else plays checkers.

If the debt ceiling isn't raised, and the banker-owned Congress finds itself unable to finance the current budget, then corporate-whore Democrats and corporate-whore Republicans will finally have the excuse they need to impose IMF-style austerity measures.

That means most (if not all) of the cuts in "spending" will be directed -- not at the hundreds of billions being wasted each year on the parasitic war budget, nor at the trillions being wasted on "bailing out" derivatives-infected mega-banks -- but at the social safety net at the very time it's needed most.

This is NOT about "fiscal responsibility."

This is all about austerity!

It's about driving that many more people into poverty, all so that the financial terrorists who engineered this crisis in the first place can continue to laugh all the way to the bank.

It's about sheepishly allowing these terrorists to do to us what they've done to numerous 3rd world countries over the years:



Now, does that mean the only alternative to draconian austerity measures is to borrow ourselves into oblivion?

According to the countless well-meaning patriots who've allowed their minds to be enslaved within the narrow confines of the ridiculously false Austrian School-vs.-Keynesian School paradigm, it is.

But there are others among us who frankly know better:

       http://globalgulag.freesmfhosting.com/index.php/topic,379.0.html
       http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=162212.0
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« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2011, 12:43:38 PM »

Well, sounds as if we have a tight situation on our hands don`t we? If we refuse to increase the debt ceiling the IMF might come in and things might get really messy; while also setting ourselves up to be ripped off again. On the other hand if we do raise the debt ceiling then we fall even deeper into a debt sink hole. With those kind of choices we are damned if we do and damned if we don`t.

Well, something has to be done either way. We cannot go on carrying out government the way we do now. The international bankers have us by the balls and the grip has gotten too tight. We must find a way out of this nightmare. The taxing and spending must be completely rethought in a way which does not put us between a rock and a hard place. The Federal government can no longer have its cake and eat it too any longer. We cannot have a boat load of entitlement programs, a huge military, expensive useless wars, shell out huge amounts of international aid, run a massive central government, and bend over backward for international bankers. If America has any hope of getting its independence back as a nation we must scale things back big time. The empire must shrink in ways very few in DC are willing to do.

It would take some time but the number one thing that must happen it cutting down to funding things which only benefit running our nation from within our own boarders. That will be a hard pill for many in Washington to take it must happen sooner or later. The bankers would fly off the handle and some people would get taken down for it but in the end this nation should be ran for the people`s benefit.
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« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2011, 01:07:55 PM »

Well, sounds as if we have a tight situation on our hands don`t we? If we refuse to increase the debt ceiling the IMF might come in and things might get really messy; while also setting ourselves up to be ripped off again. On the other hand if we do raise the debt ceiling then we fall even deeper into a debt sink hole. With those kind of choices we are damned if we do and damned if we don`t.

Well, something has to be done either way.

Yes, but it's ridiculous and self-defeating to suggest or imply that that something has to be a "solution" framed by the very ruling-class parasites who created this "problem" to begin with:

       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29C_KNZ7RNs (Problem-Reaction-Solution)

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We cannot go on carrying out government the way we do now.

I'm well aware of this. That's why I created the following threads:

       http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=162212.0
       http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=160459.0
       http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=161315.0

Bottom line: Beware of anyone who parrots the lie that the only way to roast the pig (metaphorically speaking) is to burn down the house.

Or, as Tarpley would say, do not let ideological snake-oil salesmen "dupe" you into "cutting your own throat":

“What’s the problem [for] the U.S. ruling elite?....Their basic problem is that the foreclosures, the unemployment, the arrogance of Wall Street -- their thievery -- generates tremendous resentment. So what do you do? You’ve got to channel that rage of the masses against the masses themselves. In other words, you’ve got to dupe people into wanting to cut their own throats. And without Obama you couldn’t do it. If Obama or the Democrats had taken the lead of an anti-Wall Street pitchfork brigade, they could have channeled mass rage where it belonged: against the people that actually created the derivatives panic -- that would be Diamond, Pandit, Blankfein, Mack, Lewis…and these characters. As Obama said to them: ‘I’m the only one between the pitchforks and you.’ Well, that means Obama is getting skewered by the pitchforks. All the progressive causes are skewered by the pitchforks, and a lot of decent candidates are getting swept away, and you’ve got the Tea Party fanatics coming in. Now, what’s their program? Their program is the program of the most aggressive wing -- the most reactionary wing -- of finance capital. That is: to destroy entitlements; to destroy Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, child labor laws, minimum wage, food stamps -- you name it, they’re against it. They want the law of the jungle, the full fury of the depression visited on the naked flesh of the American people -- that’s the Tea Party as it is right now. So you’ve got to essentially use social demagogy of the Tea Party types to make the American people cut their own throats. It’s not going to be that easy, with 44% of housholds benefiting from Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid, but they are going to try it. And the main question is, How soon can you dump Obama? Because as long as Obama is there, this demagogy will work. It will tend to be more and more effective.”

-- Webster Tarpley, World Crisis Radio broadcast, 9/18/2010, 1st hour


“William F. Buckley…sponsored [Rush] Limbaugh, knowing, of course, [that] the only way you can dupe the masses into cutting their own throat is to use cultural populism, because as soon as the argument gets to economic policies in any real sense, the right-wing position can’t win. I mean: how are you going to convince 44% of U.S. households to cut their own throats on Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security? Well, you’ve got to whip them up into a hysteria. And, of course, the defense of privilege: [Glenn] Beck, this week, says: ‘The wealthy people in the United States have worked hard for the money they’ve got, and we should praise the wealthy for their contributions.’ Yeah, because they bought 1.5 quadrillion dollars of derivatives. But here’s what we want to do: let’s point to this tremendous hypocrisy, this tremendous dupery that’s going on, where the rich backers remain in the background and continue to pursue their patrician lifestyles while we have these gutter snipe operatives like Limbaugh or O’Donnell in the foreground….Let’s look at these Koch brothers…who are they? They are the third richest people in the United States in terms of private money, surpassed only by Bill Gates and Warren Buffett….With this money they have founded the Americans for Prosperity Foundation, through which -- with operatives like Peggy Venable -- they run the Tea Party. And make no mistake: they micromanage, but not directly. In other words, they’re on the phone, but they’re not always in every meeting. One of their advisers says: 'This right-wing, redneck stuff works for them.' Yeah, it does. This 'right-wing, redneck stuff' -- cultural populism: guns, God, gays -- this is the stock-in-trade of the Koch brothers."

-- Webster Tarpley, World Crisis Radio broadcast, 9/18/2010, 2nd hour
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« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2011, 02:13:53 PM »

Geo Lib your sooooo funny sometimes. Always little snide remarks against Ron and Rand. Are you agentblue lib under a different name? Half kidding.

Truth is the debt ceiling shouldn't be raised AND the IMF should be told to f**k off.

Anyway if we don't raise the debt limit and default how can the federal reserve funded IMF help us anyway when they too will be BK. They get their money from the same place we get ours. Maybe I'm wrong on some of these details.

Bottom line is we NEED to default and no IMF. Then we audit the fed and begin the arrests and breakup of the megabanks. After that we need you and others to give us a better plan for a new currency that is based on individual liberty.

Ron and Rand definitely do not want us to cut our own throats by defunding all the social safety nets. That's what the neo cons and neo libs want.
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« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2011, 03:33:57 PM »

Geo Lib your sooooo funny sometimes. Always little snide remarks against Ron and Rand. Are you agentblue lib under a different name? Half kidding.

The fact that Ron seems to support the Austrian school paradigm might be a reason?  Wink As for Rand Paul, he's been unimpressive so far.
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« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2011, 03:45:04 PM »

The fact that Ron seems to support the Austrian school paradigm might be a reason?  Wink As for Rand Paul, he's been unimpressive so far.

Unimpressive in the TWO DAYS he's been in office?
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« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2011, 03:55:51 PM »

As usual, the banking elite are playing chess while everyone else plays checkers.

If the debt ceiling isn't raised, and the banker-owned Congress finds itself unable to finance the current budget, then corporate-whore Democrats and corporate-whore Republicans will finally have the excuse they need to impose IMF-style austerity measures.

That means most (if not all) of the cuts in "spending" will be directed -- not at the hundreds of billions being wasted each year on the parasitic war budget, nor at the trillions being wasted on "bailing out" derivatives-infected mega-banks -- but at the social safety net at the very time it's needed most.

This is NOT about "fiscal responsibility."

This is all about austerity!

It's about driving that many more people into poverty, all so that the financial terrorists who engineered this crisis in the first place can continue to laugh all the way to the bank.

It's about sheepishly allowing these terrorists to do to us what they've done to numerous 3rd world countries over the years:



Now, does that mean the only alternative to draconian austerity measures is to borrow ourselves into oblivion?

According to the countless well-meaning patriots who've allowed their minds to be enslaved within the narrow confines of the ridiculously false Austrian School-vs.-Keynesian School paradigm, it is.

But there are others among us who frankly know better:

       http://globalgulag.freesmfhosting.com/index.php/topic,379.0.html
       http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=162212.0

Yep--I agree 100%

Both Webster Tarpley and Economist Michael Hudson have been warning about the coming austerity plan of the banksters.
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« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2011, 04:26:24 PM »

Unimpressive in the TWO DAYS he's been in office?

No, overall, since I first heard of him. Some of the statements on his campaign website certainly didn't leave a good impression.
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« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2011, 04:35:01 PM »


This link didn't work for me.  It said "sorry, server not found."

Did they take it down, or is it just my system?

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« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2011, 08:08:53 AM »

Geo Lib your sooooo funny sometimes.

Oh please, what is this, high school? Did you giggle and give yourself a high-five after typing that?  Roll Eyes

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Always little snide remarks against Ron and Rand.

As anyone who knows how to read before reacting can clearly see, I never even mentioned Ron or Rand. I was making a general point about a very important issue, not a "snide remark" about this or that individual. YOU are the one trying to personalize this discussion, not I.

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Are you agentblue lib under a different name? Half kidding.

Are you austerity-promoting Austrian Schoolers minions of the international banking cartel? Half kidding.

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Truth is the debt ceiling shouldn't be raised AND the IMF should be told to f**k off.

No, the truth is that refusing to raise the debt ceiling would generate a budgetary crisis that, in turn, would give corporate-whore politicians the excuse they need to impose the very austerity measures that elite bankers want them to impose.

Only an Austrian Schooler would construe doing the bankers' bidding as telling them to "f**k off."

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Anyway if we don't raise the debt limit and default how can the federal reserve funded IMF help us anyway when they too will be BK.

As anyone familiar with John Perkins' work already knows, the criminal bankers who control the IMF and World Bank don't want to "help" us. On the contrary, they want to bankrupt us so that we're too weak from poverty to resist their "end game" agenda.  

Hence the point I always make that, with "opponents" like the Austrian School, the international bankers don't need any allies.

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Maybe I'm wrong on some of these details.

There's no "maybe" about it.

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Bottom line is we NEED to default

The bottom line is that that is exactly what said bankers want us to believe, lest a critical mass of us realize that, contrary to Austrian School dogma, it's not necessary to burn down the house to roast the pig.

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Then we audit the fed and begin the arrests and breakup of the megabanks.

That's what happens in Austrian School fantasy land. In reality, the same thing happens to this country that has happened to every other country that's been subjected to this sort of "shock therapy" treatment: an astronomical surge in windfall profits for a handful of robber barons, acute poverty and indentured servitude for everyone else.

Those who insist otherwise are either deeply delusional or bald-faced liars.

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Ron and Rand definitely do not want us to cut our own throats by defunding all the social safety nets.

I agree with Ron and, to a lesser extent, Rand on many issues. And while Ron in particular is undoubtedly deserving of far more respect and admiration than most (if not all) other Washington politicians, the fact still remains that neither he nor Rand is God. Just because their intentions are good doesn't necessarily mean that each and every policy they advocate is good. (Hence the term "unintended consequences.") Whether a given policy proposal is good or bad is something that must be determined on a case-by-case basis in accordance with one's own principles and understanding of the issue in question.
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