Live Chat with moronic globalist and history revisionist Richard Dawkins

[Dig]

It's a shame this turned out like this because no matter what you believe, this new member laid out a worthy opinion piece and debated it honestly and maturely, and I suspect he/she didn't arrive at his/her viewpoint on a whim.

worthy opinion piece?

debated it honestly?

maturely?

have you even read the total horseshit he was pushing? it was a cross between "The Bald Soprano" and "Alice in Wonderland". I am reminded of a line in the movie "As Good As It Gets".

To Jack Nicholson: "How do you write women so well?"

Jack: "I think of a man and I take away reason and accountability."

Now although that sexist remark does not in any way portray my beliefs nor likely any others on this forum concerning women...it does pertain to the Richard Dawkins wannabe.

You'll note, too, that he/she was good enough to post it in the right section: philosophy.

nope, he posted it in general and it got moved.

[citizenx]

I just wanted him to buck up and defend universalist ethics, but I suspect that wasn't, indeed, his chief concern.

[Dig]

No, this entire thread is not about rational debate anymore.

According to whom?

I can spend hours defending and debating, but I'm done. It's not worth it. Let me say it's just not in my rational self interest anymore.

And that is likely the similar future for mankind in the selfless, cybernetic, transhumanist world:

"Slaves with IBM numbers ending in 1138 are no longer necessary for the rational self-interest of the master control program...DNA sense and response automated sanitation systems have been notified."

[foreverfree]

No, it is not an opinion - it is fact. If I am wrong, then please present evidence to prove me wrong. In order for you to claim that something exists, you have to show evidence that it does in fact exist.

The Bible has been proven time and time again.  Historical evidence, scientific evidence, and something called prophecy.  There are a grand total of ZERO points or facts stated in the Bible that have been proven incorrect, and minds MUCH greater than yours have tried! 

Scientific statements from the Bible, most written well over 2,600 years ago.

*The stars are uncountable and each different from each other. 1Cor 15:41; Jer 33:22
*The Earth sits in "space" ie nothing.  Job 26:7
*The atmosphere goes towards the south, then the north, continually swirling around the globe.  Eccl 1:6
*Air has "weight" Job 28:25
*The "life" for the body is found in the blood. Lev 17:11
*mental well being is good for your health.  Prov 17:22
*the hydrologic cycle— evaporation, atmospheric circulation, condensation with electrical discharges, and precipitation. Job 36:27
*Hydrothermal vents in the ocean. Job 38:16
*The earth is round.  Isaiah 40:22
* There once was a great city named "Ur". Later excavated in 1934, built 1200 years before Babylon, the city had columns, arches, domes, advanced math, tax records, brick 2 story homes with up to 15 rooms.  Gen 15:7; Neh 9:7;

Prophecy from the Bible.  Now historical FACT

*The city of Edom would be overthrown and never be inhabited again. Ezek 35: 1-8. Edom is now known as Petra in Jordan, and is a wasteland.
*Jews would be gathered from across the globe to Israel.  Ezek 37:11. The zionist movement beginning in the late 18th century brought the gradual emigration of Jews to Israel from around the globe.
*Israel would become a nation in one day and an immediate war would follow as a result. Isaiah 66:6-24.  May 14, 1948 Israel became a nation after a British mandate expired and the United States acknowledged their sovereignty. On the same day, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria attacked Israel and quickly got their collective asses handed to them.
*Israel and Jerusalem would be a burden to all the nations in the last days.  Zech 12:2  Every modern nation since 1948 has worried itself with "peace in the middle east"
*Babylon would rule over the Jews for 70 years exactly. Jer 25:11,12.  In 609bc Babylon conquered the Assyrians, controlling their land, destroyed Jerusalem and the temple and took the Jews as slaves.  In 539 bc, Cyrus conquered Babylon and freed the Jewish slaves.
*Tyre's fortresses would fall, the city would be destroyed and its rubble cast into the sea.  Ezek 26:12, Amos 1:9-10.  Alexander the great attacked Tyre in 333 bc.  They took rock, timbre and dirt from the mainland and built a landbridge over to the island where they used battering rams to break down the walls.
*Nineveh would be attacked and destroyed by fire, never to be rebuilt.  Nahum 3. Around 612 bc, the Babylonians, Scythians and Medes conquered Nineveh, one of the most powerful cities of the ancient world.  Archeologists uncovered the ruins in the 1800's and found a layer of ash over the city.


Not to mention the countless prophecies of Jesus that were written over 1,000 years before his birth that were fullfilled PERFECTLY. 
 

[Dig]

The Bible has been proven time and time again.  Historical evidence, scientific evidence, and something called prophecy.  There are a grand total of ZERO points or facts stated in the Bible that have been proven incorrect, and minds MUCH greater than yours have tried!  

Scientific statements from the Bible, most written well over 2,600 years ago.

*The stars are uncountable and each different from each other. 1Cor 15:41; Jer 33:22
*The Earth sits in "space" ie nothing.  Job 26:7
*The atmosphere goes towards the south, then the north, continually swirling around the globe.  Eccl 1:6
*Air has "weight" Job 28:25
*The "life" for the body is found in the blood. Lev 17:11
*mental well being is good for your health.  Prov 17:22
*the hydrologic cycle— evaporation, atmospheric circulation, condensation with electrical discharges, and precipitation. Job 36:27
*Hydrothermal vents in the ocean. Job 38:16
*The earth is round.  Isaiah 40:22
* There once was a great city named "Ur". Later excavated in 1934, built 1200 years before Babylon, the city had columns, arches, domes, advanced math, tax records, brick 2 story homes with up to 15 rooms.  Gen 15:7; Neh 9:7;

Prophecy from the Bible.  Now historical FACT

*The city of Edom would be overthrown and never be inhabited again. Ezek 35: 1-8. Edom is now known as Petra in Jordan, and is a wasteland.
*Jews would be gathered from across the globe to Israel.  Ezek 37:11. The zionist movement beginning in the late 18th century brought the gradual emigration of Jews to Israel from around the globe.
*Israel would become a nation in one day and an immediate war would follow as a result. Isaiah 66:6-24.  May 14, 1948 Israel became a nation after a British mandate expired and the United States acknowledged their sovereignty. On the same day, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria attacked Israel and quickly got their collective asses handed to them.
*Israel and Jerusalem would be a burden to all the nations in the last days.  Zech 12:2  Every modern nation since 1948 has worried itself with "peace in the middle east"
*Babylon would rule over the Jews for 70 years exactly. Jer 25:11,12.  In 609bc Babylon conquered the Assyrians, controlling their land, destroyed Jerusalem and the temple and took the Jews as slaves.  In 539 bc, Cyrus conquered Babylon and freed the Jewish slaves.
*Tyre's fortresses would fall, the city would be destroyed and its rubble cast into the sea.  Ezek 26:12, Amos 1:9-10.  Alexander the great attacked Tyre in 333 bc.  They took rock, timbre and dirt from the mainland and built a landbridge over to the island where they used battering rams to break down the walls.
*Nineveh would be attacked and destroyed by fire, never to be rebuilt.  Nahum 3. Around 612 bc, the Babylonians, Scythians and Medes conquered Nineveh, one of the most powerful cities of the ancient world.  Archeologists uncovered the ruins in the 1800's and found a layer of ash over the city.


Not to mention the countless prophecies of Jesus that were written over 1,000 years before his birth that were fullfilled PERFECTLY.  
 

Please feel free to bible thump in the bible thumping room, no need to add fuel to this overtly obvious attempt to reduce debate on the legitimacy of inalienable rights to "believers in every single word of KJV" v. "believers in Darwinian Naziism"

Thanks

[Scootle]

The Dawkins Delusion...

Richard Dawkins and the NWO
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=136620.0

Ben Stein's Expelled - The American Holocaust Endgame by Eugenecists
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=35931.0

Dawkins&Maher's Jedi mind trick:"Mao, Hitler, Stalin killed because of religion"
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=189644.0

David Icke on Richard Dawkins
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=194168.0
http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/38799-dawkins-lays-the-smack-down-on-the-pope-

Lord Monckton on Al Gore and Richard Dawkins
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2zaPCYgovg#t=100s

[Jackson Holly]

Mystic ... is genetically modifying animals moral?

Is creating new 'test tube species' moral?

Is modifying the human DNA coding to create a
'superman' moral?

Thanks to Pilikia from another thread ... this post seems to fit here as well:

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=196497.msg1165693#msg1165693

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It's a toss-up. Both are controlled.

"If it was possible to become free of negative emotions by a riskless implementation of an electrode - without impairing intelligence and the critical mind - I would be the first patient." Dalai Lama
(Society for Neuroscience Congress, Nov. 2005)


http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/dvorsky20090502/

In November 2005, at the Society for Neuroscience Congress, the Dalai Lama observed, “If it was possible to become free of negative emotions by a riskless implementation of an electrode—without impairing intelligence and the critical mind—I would be the first patient.”

Note that the Dalai Lama wasn’t announcing his intention to queue-jump. Nor was he proposing that high-functioning bliss should be the privilege of one special group or species. Unlike the Abrahamic religions, but in common with classical utilitarianism, Buddhism is committed to the welfare of all sentient beings. Instead, the Dalai Lama was stressing that we should embrace the control of our reward circuitry that modern science is shortly going to deliver - and not disdain it as somehow un-spiritual.

Smart neurostimulation, long-acting mood-enhancers, genetically re-engineering our hedonic “set-point” (etc.) aren’t therapeutic strategies associated with Buddhist tradition. Yet if we are morally serious about securing the well-being of all sentient life, then we have to exploit advanced technology to the fullest possible extent. Nothing else will work (short of some exotic metaphysics that is hard to reconcile with the scientific world-picture). Non-biological strategies to enrich psychological well-being have been tried on a personal level over thousands of years—and proved inadequate at best.

This is because they don’t subvert the brutally efficient negative feedback mechanisms of the hedonic treadmill—a legacy of millions of years of natural selection. Nor is the well-being of all sentient life feasible in a Darwinian ecosystem where the welfare of some creatures depends on eating or exploiting others. The lion can lie down with the lamb; but only after both have been genetically tweaked. Any solution to the problem of suffering ultimately has to be global.

In the meantime, I think the greatest personal contribution to reducing suffering that an individual can make is both to:

  1. Abstain from eating meat
  2. Make it clear to his or her entire circle of acquaintance that meat-eating is abhorrent and morally unacceptable

Such plain speaking calls for moral courage that alas sometimes deserts me.

I know many readers of Sentient Developments are Buddhists. Not all of them will agree with the above analysis. Some readers may suspect that I’m just trying to cloak my techno-utopianism in the mantle of venerable Buddhist wisdom. (Heaven forbid!)

In fact the Abolitionist Project is just a blueprint for implementing the aspiration of Gautama Buddha two and a half millennia ago: “May all that have life be delivered from suffering”. I hope other researchers will devise (much) better blueprints; and the project will one day be institutionalized, internationalized, properly funded, transformed into a field of rigorous academic scholarship, and eventually government-led.

I’ve glossed over a lot of potential pitfalls and technical challenges. Here I’ll just say I think they are a price worth paying for a cruelty-free world.

[Dig]

Thanks to Pilikia from another thread ... this post seems to fit here as well:

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=196497.msg1165693#msg1165693

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It's a toss-up. Both are controlled.

"If it was possible to become free of negative emotions by a riskless implementation of an electrode - without impairing intelligence and the critical mind - I would be the first patient." Dalai Lama
(Society for Neuroscience Congress, Nov. 2005)


http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/dvorsky20090502/

In November 2005, at the Society for Neuroscience Congress, the Dalai Lama observed, “If it was possible to become free of negative emotions by a riskless implementation of an electrode—without impairing intelligence and the critical mind—I would be the first patient.”

Note that the Dalai Lama wasn’t announcing his intention to queue-jump. Nor was he proposing that high-functioning bliss should be the privilege of one special group or species. Unlike the Abrahamic religions, but in common with classical utilitarianism, Buddhism is committed to the welfare of all sentient beings. Instead, the Dalai Lama was stressing that we should embrace the control of our reward circuitry that modern science is shortly going to deliver - and not disdain it as somehow un-spiritual.

Smart neurostimulation, long-acting mood-enhancers, genetically re-engineering our hedonic “set-point” (etc.) aren’t therapeutic strategies associated with Buddhist tradition. Yet if we are morally serious about securing the well-being of all sentient life, then we have to exploit advanced technology to the fullest possible extent. Nothing else will work (short of some exotic metaphysics that is hard to reconcile with the scientific world-picture). Non-biological strategies to enrich psychological well-being have been tried on a personal level over thousands of years—and proved inadequate at best.

This is because they don’t subvert the brutally efficient negative feedback mechanisms of the hedonic treadmill—a legacy of millions of years of natural selection. Nor is the well-being of all sentient life feasible in a Darwinian ecosystem where the welfare of some creatures depends on eating or exploiting others. The lion can lie down with the lamb; but only after both have been genetically tweaked. Any solution to the problem of suffering ultimately has to be global.

[...]

In fact the Abolitionist Project is just a blueprint for implementing the aspiration of Gautama Buddha two and a half millennia ago: “May all that have life be delivered from suffering”. I hope other researchers will devise (much) better blueprints; and the project will one day be institutionalized, internationalized, properly funded, transformed into a field of rigorous academic scholarship, and eventually government-led.

I’ve glossed over a lot of potential pitfalls and technical challenges. Here I’ll just say I think they are a price worth paying for a cruelty-free world.

Chemical Hallucinations, Mind Control, and Dr. Jose Delgado
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/delgado.htm
Laura Knight-Jadczyk
Updated on October, 1999
   
"Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. We must electrically control the brain. Some day armies and generals will be controlled by electric stimulation of the brain."
-Dr. Jose Delgado in front of Congress

"Free Will is the most important law in all of Creation."
-Cassiopaeans

The above quote by Dr. Jose Delgado is quite frightening, isn't it?

[...]

Clearly, "Dr. Delgado" must think that he is somewhere near the top of this foodchain, judging by his published remarks. Well, it seems that, by saying that he is desperately yearning to revert back to the primordial soup, Dr. Delgado DOES have some awareness of his path...

[...]

And here we have the problem. Such individuals not only desperately long to revert to the primordial soup, they want to take everyone else with them! And, in their mode of wishful thinking, they convince themselves that everyone else, in their "heart of hearts," wants the same thing!

But "Dr. Delgado" DOES comprehend. He is CONSCIOUS.

And, apparently, one of the prophets of the Gospel of Devolution is "Dr. Jose Delgado," wishfully thinking that he, and the rest of humanity are merely...

"gobs and gobs of living humanoidal tissue cultures in search of a little bedtime story."




Side note: Dr. Delgado progression of experiments are depicted in the remake of Island of Dr. Moreau w/ Marlon Brando and Val Kilmer.

1896...HG Wells The Island of Dr. Moreau...
http://www.bartleby.com/1001/14.html



  “The stores were landed and the house was built. The Kanakas founded some huts near the ravine. I went to work here upon what I had brought with me. There were some disagreeable things happened at first. I began with a sheep, and killed it after a day and a half by a slip of the scalpel. I took another sheep, and made a thing of pain and fear and left it bound up to heal. It looked quite human to me when I had finished it; but when I went to it I was discontented with it. It remembered me, and was terrified beyond imagination; and it had no more than the wits of a sheep. The more I looked at it the clumsier it seemed, until at last I put the monster out of its misery. These animals without courage, these fear-haunted, pain-driven things, without a spark of pugnacious energy to face torment,—they are no good for man-making.     30

  “Then I took a gorilla I had; and upon that, working with infinite care and mastering difficulty after difficulty, I made my first man. All the week, night and day, I moulded him. With him it was chiefly the brain that needed moulding; much had to be added, much changed. I thought him a fair specimen of the negroid type when I had finished him, and he lay bandaged, bound, and motionless before me. It was only when his life was assured that I left him and came into this room again, and found Montgomery much as you are. He had heard some of the cries as the thing grew human,—cries like those that disturbed you so. I didn’t take him completely into my confidence at first. And the Kanakas too, had realised something of it. They were scared out of their wits by the sight of me. I got Montgomery over to me—in a way; but I and he had the hardest job to prevent the Kanakas deserting. Finally they did; and so we lost the yacht. I spent many days educating the brute,—altogether I had him for three or four months. I taught him the rudiments of English; gave him ideas of counting; even made the thing read the alphabet. But at that he was slow, though I’ve met with idiots slower. He began with a clean sheet, mentally; had no memories left in his mind of what he had been. When his scars were quite healed, and he was no longer anything but painful and stiff, and able to converse a little, I took him yonder and introduced him to the Kanakas as an interesting stowaway.     31

  “They were horribly afraid of him at first, somehow,—which offended me rather, for I was conceited about him; but his ways seemed so mild, and he was so abject, that after a time they received him and took his education in hand. He was quick to learn, very imitative and adaptive, and built himself a hovel rather better, it seemed to me, than their own shanties. There was one among the boys a bit of a missionary, and he taught the thing to read, or at least to pick out letters, and gave him some rudimentary ideas of morality; but it seems the beast’s habits were not all that is desirable.

[...]

  “So for twenty years altogether—counting nine years in England—I have been going on; and there is still something in everything I do that defeats me, makes me dissatisfied, challenges me to further effort. Sometimes I rise above my level, sometimes I fall below it; but always I fall short of the things I dream. The human shape I can get now, almost with ease, so that it is lithe and graceful, or thick and strong; but often there is trouble with the hands and the claws,—painful things, that I dare not shape too freely. But it is in the subtle grafting and reshaping one must needs do to the brain that my trouble lies. The intelligence is often oddly low, with unaccountable blank ends, unexpected gaps. And least satisfactory of all is something that I cannot touch, somewhere—I cannot determine where—in the seat of the emotions. Cravings, instincts, desires that harm humanity, a strange hidden reservoir to burst forth suddenly and inundate the whole being of the creature with anger, hate, or fear. These creatures of mine seemed strange and uncanny to you so soon as you began to observe them; but to me, just after I make them, they seem to be indisputably human beings. It’s afterwards, as I observe them, that the persuasion fades. First one animal trait, then another, creeps to the surface and stares out at me. But I will conquer yet! Each time I dip a living creature into the bath of burning pain, I say, ‘This time I will burn out all the animal; this time I will make a rational creature of my own!’ After all, what is ten years? Men have been a hundred thousand in the making.” He thought darkly. “But I am drawing near the fastness. This puma of mine—” After a silence,

“And they revert. As soon as my hand is taken from them the beast begins to creep back, begins to assert itself again.”

Another long silence.     41

  “Then you take the things you make into those dens?” said I.     42

  “They go. I turn them out when I begin to feel the beast in them, and presently they wander there. They all dread this house and me. There is a kind of travesty of humanity over there. Montgomery knows about it, for he interferes in their affairs. He has trained one or two of them to our service. He’s ashamed of it, but I believe he half likes some of those beasts. It’s his business, not mine. They only sicken me with a sense of failure. I take no interest in them. I fancy they follow in the lines the Kanaka missionary marked out, and have a kind of mockery of a rational life, poor beasts! There’s something they call the Law. Sing hymns about ‘all thine.’ They build themselves their dens, gather fruit, and pull herbs—marry even. But I can see through it all, see into their very souls, and see there nothing but the souls of beasts, beasts that perish, anger and the lusts to live and gratify themselves.—Yet they’re odd; complex, like everything else alive. There is a kind of upward striving in them, part vanity, part waste sexual emotion, part waste curiosity. It only mocks me. I have some hope of this puma. I have worked hard at her head and brain—“And now,” said he, standing up after a long gap of silence, during which we had each pursued our own thoughts, “what do you think? Are you in fear of me still?”     43


Nothing has stopped their plan to eradicate the "animal" in humans.

He is describing a sheep or guerilla, but could this really be a way of hiding a practice by the elites that was exposed 40 years later? The exact type of experiments were done on humans by Dr. Mengele and then the same paperclipped Nazi scientists did it in the US with MK Ultra. Dr. Mengele's patients react to Dr. Mengele just as the animals did to Dr. Moreau with the pain, the fright, the obedience and even the twisted and conditioned sense of "slave love" based on trauma based mind control. Cathy O'Brien and many others have described this precise method of perfecting the super human slave to the elites. The documented project was called "MONARCH" for goodness sake.

Was Mengele just following a secret method of eugenic mind control practiced for over 50 years that Wells was allowed to observe and then begin the conditioning for? No matter if it was 110 years ago, 80 years ago, 50 years ago, or now... These actions are blatant crimes against humanity on its face and these "Dr. Moreau's" that saturate our ramp up to a scientific technocracy must be exposed for the sadistic psychopaths they readily admit they are.

[Scootle]

For anyone with two hours to spare, here's Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Daniel Dennett and Christopher Hitchens in a round table new-atheist pseudointellectual circle jerk session.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DKhc1pcDFM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaeJf-Yia3A

[Dig]

round table new-atheist pseudointellectual circle jerk session.

Isn't that the name of the latest CSIS white paper?

[citizenx]

That probably explains why the pages of their last white paper are all stuck together.

 

[Djævlen]

For anyone with two hours to spare, here's Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Daniel Dennett and Christopher Hitchens in a round table new-atheist pseudointellectual circle jerk session.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DKhc1pcDFM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaeJf-Yia3A

cool. thanks for the links!