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Fast and Furious Gun runner Drugs Brian Terry Thread
« on: December 15, 2010, 05:09:25 PM »
NOGALES, Ariz. — A U.S. Border Patrol agent was shot and killed north of the Arizona-Mexico border while trying to catch bandits who target illegal immigrants, the leader of a union representing agents said Wednesday.

Agent Brian A. Terry, 40, was waiting with three other agents in a remote area north of Nogales late Tuesday night when a gun battle with the bandits began, said National Border Patrol Council President T.J. Bonner. No other agents were injured, but one of the suspects was wounded in the shootout.

The FBI is investigating the shooting. Customs and Border Patrol spokesman Eric Cantu and FBI spokeswoman Brenda Lee Nath declined to confirm Bonner's account, but said that authorities have four suspects in custody and were searching for a fifth.

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Fast and Furious: Case Files on Murder of Border Agent Brian Terry Gone
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2011, 03:34:02 PM »
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The outrageous rumors were true. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was forced to use beanbags against armed Mexican killers before he was shot dead in Arizona in December.

Agent Brian Terry was forced to defend himself and this country with beanbags.

The Arizona Daily Star reported:

    Border Patrol agents shot beanbags at a group of suspected bandits before the men returned fire during a confrontation in a remote canyon, killing agent Brian Terry with a single gunshot, records show.

    And an illegal immigrant wounded in the gunbattle who is now the only person in custody linked to the slaying contends he never fired a shot, according to FBI search warrant requests filed in the U.S. District Court in Tucson.

    The documents provide the most detailed version yet of what happened in the deadly gunbattle Dec. 14 in Peck Canyon, northwest of Nogales.

    The documents say the group of illegal border entrants refused commands to drop their weapons after agents confronted them at about 11:15 p.m. Two agents fired beanbags at the migrants, who responded with gunfire. Two agents returned fire, one with a long gun and one with a pistol, but Terry was mortally wounded in the gunfight.

    Border Patrol officials declined to answer questions about protocol for use of force, citing the ongoing investigation.

    But Terry’s brother, Kent Terry, said the other agents who were there that night told him that they were instructed to use the non-lethal beanbags first. It’s a policy that doesn’t make sense to Kent Terry.

    “You go up against a bandit crew that is carrying AKs, and you walk out there with guns loaded with beanbags – I don’t get it,” Terry said in a phone interview from Michigan. “It’s like going to the Iraqi war with one knife. It boggles my mind. … These guys (Border Patrol agents) are professionals; they should be able to use their judgment call on their own.”

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To our Federal Government, Illegal Alien drug-runners' lives are more important than the lives of American citizens.

The Illegal in custody will probably sue because he was injured - and he'll win.
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ATF chief in charge of fast and furious steps down
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2011, 01:23:09 PM »
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/62320.html

The man who led the controversial Fast and Furious anti-gun-trafficking operation will step down as the interim head of Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, the Justice Department announced Tuesday as it named a new acting director for the agency.

Kenneth Melson, the bureau’s acting director, on Wednesday will move to the Office of Legal Policy, where he will be a senior adviser on forensic science, the department said, without making reference to the failed gun-tracking operation that is alleged to have ultimately put guns into the hands of criminals.

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ATF gets a slap on the wrist, fast and furious Op.
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2011, 07:18:23 PM »
 A congressional committe has reveiwed the operation pulled of by the ATF.
What is the end result, they moved the puppets around, sent a few home or to become CIO's for a defense contractor.
 Some 42,000 have died since 2006 as a result of the turf wars. The congressional investigation has turned up evidence that guns sold in the sting have been found at numerous crime scenes in the United States and Mexico. @yahoo news.
Kenneth Melson, who has been acting director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives since 2009, was reassigned after admitting mistakes in the sting operation.Attorney General Eric Holder and Melson both issued statements but steered clear of any comments about the controversy. Holder has referred the entire matter to the department's inspector general for an investigation.
Obama will need to nominate someone to fill the U.S. Attorney's post. Burke previously served as chief of staff to Janet Napolitano when she was Arizona governor.
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More revealed in Fast and Furious Government gun running
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2011, 02:50:58 PM »

U.S. Government Used Taxpayer Funds to Buy, Sell Weapons During 'Fast and Furious,' Documents Show
By William Lajeunesse

September 26, 2011
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Re: More revealed in Fast and Furious Government gun running
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2011, 03:53:08 PM »
 The justice department??
  Who is the last word, the big dogs.
  Who concocted this operation, where is the documentation, the daily reports, etc. (the shredder)
 
The big dogs, Easy one, the true masterminds maintain plausible deniability. In short LIE.
  SO-Who will get charged, if anyone does get tossed into the fire it will most likely be some dipshit feild agent supervisors. If a face gets charged it will simply be written off as an op gone wrong, and if by some miracle a upper level  BD gets haranged for this, he or she will resign and become the CIO of some security firm.              Its an all in the family episode.

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House GOP Request Special Counsel to Probe Holder on 'Fast and Furious'
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2011, 03:19:15 PM »
Published October 04, 2011
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EXCLUSIVE: House Republicans are calling for a special counsel to determine whether Attorney General Eric Holder perjured himself during his testimony to the House Judiciary Committee on Operation Fast and Furious, Fox News has learned.

House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith, R-Texas, was sending a letter to President Obama on Tuesday arguing that Holder cannot investigate himself, and requesting the president instruct the Department of Justice to appoint a special counsel.

The question is whether Holder committed perjury during a Judiciary Committee hearing on May 3.  At the time, Holder indicated he was not familiar with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives program known as Fast and Furious until about April 2011.

"I'm not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks," Holder testified.

However, a newly discovered memo dated July 2010 shows Michael Walther, director of the National Drug Intelligence Center, told Holder that straw buyers in the Fast and Furious operation "are responsible for the purchase of 1,500 firearms that were then supplied to the Mexican drug trafficking cartels."

Other documents also indicate that Holder began receiving weekly briefings on the program from the National Drug Intelligence Center "beginning, at the latest, on July 5, 2010," Smith wrote.

"These updates mentioned, not only the name of the operation, but also specific details about guns being trafficked to Mexico," Smith wrote in the letter to Obama.

"Allegations that senior Justice Department officials may have intentionally misled members of Congress are extremely troubling and must be addressed by an independent and objective special counsel. I urge you to appoint a special counsel who will investigate these allegations as soon as possible," Smith wrote.

In response to the release of the memos, a Justice Department official said that the attorney general "has consistently said he became aware of the questionable tactics in early 2011 when ATF agents first raised them publicly, and then promptly asked the (inspector general) to investigate the matter."

The official added that in March 2011, Holder testified to the Senate Appropriations Subcommittee of that development, and regularly receives hundreds of pages, none of which contained information on potential problems with Fast and Furious.

"The weekly reports (100 + pages) are provided to the office of the AG and (deputy attorney general) each week from approximately 24 offices and components. These are routine reports that provide general overviews and status updates on issues, policies, cases and investigations from offices and components across the country. None of these reports referenced the controversial tactics of that allowed guns to cross the border," the official said.

House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa, R-Calif., "of all people, should be familiar with the difference between knowing about an investigation and being aware of questionable tactics employed in that investigation since documents provided to his committee show he was given a briefing that included the fast and furious operation in 2010 – a year before the controversy emerged," the official continued.

Issa told Fox News on Tuesday morning that Holder saying he didn't understand the question rather than he didn't know of the program is not a successful defense to perjury.

Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, ranking Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, added that months before Holder testified -- on Jan. 31 -- he came to Grassley's office, where Grassley gave him a letter detailing the investigation of Fast and Furious.

"If he read my letter, he knew on January 31," Grassley told Fox News. "He probably actually knew about it way back in the middle of last year or earlier.

Grassley said since he's not a lawyer he's not going to make a judgment on whether Holder committed perjury.

"But I can tell you this. They're doing everything they can, in a fast and furious way, to cover up all the evidence or stonewalling us. But here's the issue, if he didn't perjure himself and didn't know about it, the best way that they can help us, Congressman Issa and me, is to just issue all the documents that we ask for and those documents will prove one way or the other right or wrong."
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Fast And Furious: 22 Shocking Facts About The Scandal That Expose 100% Treason
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Could Fast and Furious be the scandal that brings down the Obama administration?  With the full knowledge of the Department of Justice, ATF agents facilitated the sale of thousands of guns to Mexican drug cartels and dropped all surveillance of those weapons once they crossed the border.  Weapons sold during Operation Fast and Furious have been used to shoot U.S. border control agents.  Weapons sold during Operation Fast and Furious have been found at dozens of crime scenes in Mexico.  Nobody has been held accountable for this scandal yet.  U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder has been stonewalling all efforts by members of Congress to look into Fast and Furious.  A CBS reporter that has been aggressively investigating this story was recently screamed at and cussed at by a high ranking official that works in the White House.  It has become abundantly clear that the Obama administration desperately wants to hide what went on during Operation Fast and Furious.  So will they succeed or will we eventually find out the truth?

What you are about to read should shock the living daylights out of you.  The U.S. government purposely armed Mexican drug cartels with thousands of guns and then ordered agents not to follow the weapons across the border.

This should be a story that the mainstream media is pounding on every single day.

But they aren’t.

In fact, they are mostly ignoring it.

However, if the truth starts getting out and the American people start grasping what really happened this thing could become absolutely huge.

In fact, this could end up being Obama’s Watergate.

The following are 22 shocking facts about the scandal that could bring down the Obama administration….

#1 During Operation Fast and Furious, ATF agents purposely allowed thousands of guns to be sold to individuals that they believed would get them into the hands of Mexican drug cartels.

#2 ATF agents were specifically ordered not to intercept the guns before they crossed the border.  The following is a brief excerpt from a CBS News reportthat detailed the fierce objections that many ATF agents expressed when they were ordered to stand down….

On the phone, one Project Gunrunner source (who didn’t want to be identified) told us just how many guns flooded the black market under ATF’s watchful eye. “The numbers are over 2,500 on that case by the way. That’s how many guns were sold – including some 50-calibers they let walk.”

50-caliber weapons are fearsome. For months, ATF agents followed 50-caliber Barrett rifles and other guns believed headed for the Mexican border, but were ordered to let them go. One distraught agent was often overheard on ATF radios begging and pleading to be allowed to intercept transports. The answer: “Negative. Stand down.”

CBS News has been told at least 11 ATF agents and senior managers voiced fierce opposition to the strategy. “It got ugly…” said one. There was “screaming and yelling” says another. A third warned: “this is crazy, somebody is gonna to get killed.”

#3 Operation Fast and Furious remained a secret until the murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry last December.  Two guns that were sold during Operation Fast and Furious were found at the scene of the murder.

#4 ATF Special Agent John Dodson was one of the first to blow the whistle on Operation Fast and Furious.  Dodson explained to the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee on June 15, 2011 that many ATF agents were becoming extremely frustrated when they were ordered to cut off surveillance on the weapons that were being sold because they knew “that just days after these purchases, the guns that we saw these individuals buy would begin turning up at crime scenes in the United States and Mexico.”

#5 It appears that Operation Fast and Furious began some time around September 2009.  At that time, the ATF began pressuring gun shops near the border with Mexico to participate in a new covert operation that was being set up.  The gun store owners were told to help the ATF get guns into the hands of people that would take them back to the Mexican drug cartels.

The following description of the mechanics of Operation Fast and Furious comes from a recent Los Angeles Times article….

In the fall of 2009, ATF agents installed a secret phone line and hidden cameras in a ceiling panel and wall at Andre Howard’s Lone Wolf gun store. They gave him one basic instruction: Sell guns to every illegal purchaser who walks through the door.

For 15 months, Howard did as he was told. To customers with phony IDs or wads of cash he normally would have turned away, he sold pistols, rifles and semiautomatics. He was assured by the ATF that they would follow the guns, and that the surveillance would lead the agents to the violent Mexican drug cartels on the Southwest border.

When Howard heard nothing about any arrests, he questioned the agents. Keep selling, they told him. So hundreds of thousands of dollars more in weapons, including .50-caliber sniper rifles, walked out of the front door of his store in a Glendale, Ariz., strip mall.

#6 In some gun stores, cameras were set up so that top ATF officials could actually watch these transactions take place.  Back in June, U.S. Representative Darrell Issa stated the following….

“Acting Director Melson was able to sit at his desk in Washington and himself watch a live feed of straw buyers entering the gun stores and purchasing dozens of AK-47 variants.”

#7 It has also come out that in some cases ATF agents were actually the ones buying the guns and getting them into the hands of Mexican drug cartels.  The following is how author Michael A. Walsh recently explained this in an article in the New York Post….

This just might be the smoking gun we’ve been waiting for to break the festering “Fast and Furious” gun-running scandal wide open: the Department of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives apparently ordered one of its own agents to purchase firearms with taxpayer money, and sell them directly to a Mexican drug cartel.

Let that sink in: After months of pretending that “Fast and Furious” was a botched surveillance operation of illegal gun-running spearheaded by the ATF and the US attorney’s office in Phoenix, it turns out that the government itself was selling guns to the bad guys.

#8 According to the Los Angeles Times, guns that were purchased during Operation Fast and Furious have “turned up at dozens of additional Mexican crime scenes, with an unconfirmed toll of at least 150 people killed or wounded.”

#9 Mexican authorities were never informed that thousands upon thousands of guns were being allowed into Mexico.

#10 Authorities in Mexico have asked the U.S. government over and over to explain what in the world happened during Operation Fast and Furious but they have not been given an adequate answer.  In fact, according to the Los Angeles Times, the Obama administration has not even responded to questions from the attorney general of Mexico….

Marisela Morales, Mexico’s attorney general and a longtime favorite of American law enforcement agents in Mexico, told The Times that she first learned about Fast and Furious from news reports. And to this day, she said, U.S. officials have not briefed her on the operation gone awry, nor have they apologized.

#11 U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder has been withholding key documentsabout Fast and Furious from Congress and has been consistently stonewalling U.S. Representative Darrell Issa, U.S. Senator Chuck Grassley and other members of Congress that have attempted to look into this matter.

#12 The acting director of the ATF, Kenneth Melson, had been cooperating with the investigation.  At the end of August he was suddenly transferred to the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Policy.

#13 Several other key officials that were heavily involved in Operation Fast and Furious actually got promoted.

#14 On May 3rd, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder testified under oath in front of the House Judiciary Committee on Operation Fast and Furious.  During that testimony, Holder made the following statement….

“I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks.”

#15 Since that time, a large amount of evidence has come out that Holder was not telling the truth.  For example, a recent Fox News article discussed some of the very revealing memos about Fast and Furious that have been discovered recently….

However, newly discovered memos suggest otherwise. For instance, one memo dated July 2010 shows Michael Walther, director of the National Drug Intelligence Center, told Holder that straw buyers in the Fast and Furious operation “are responsible for the purchase of 1,500 firearms that were then supplied to the Mexican drug trafficking cartels.”

Other documents also indicate that Holder began receiving weekly briefings on the program from the National Drug Intelligence Center “beginning, at the latest, on July 5, 2010,”

#16 Holder now claims that he simply misunderstood the question.  He now says that he had heard of Operation Fast and Furious previously but that he was not aware of the specific details.

#17 Emails exchanged between two Department of Justice officials last October make it abundantly clear that high level officials at the DOJ were very aware of what was going on…

Two Justice Department officials mulled it over in an email exchange Oct. 18, 2010. “It’s a tricky case given the number of guns that have walked but is a significant set of prosecutions,” says Jason Weinstein, Deputy Assistant Attorney General of the Criminal Division. Deputy Chief of the National Gang Unit James Trusty replies “I’m not sure how much grief we get for ‘guns walking.’ It may be more like, “Finally they’re going after people who sent guns down there.”

#18 House Republicans are now asking for a special prosecutor to be appointed to investigate whether or not U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder lied to Congress during his recent testimony in front of the House Judiciary Committee on Operation Fast and Furious.

#19 U.S. Representative Darrell Issa believes that those involved in the Fast and Furious gun trafficking operation may have violated international arms trafficking agreements and could potentially face very serious criminal charges.

#20 U.S. Senator Chuck Grassley is absolutely convinced that a major coverup is going on….

“But I can tell you this. They’re doing everything they can, in a fast and furious way, to cover up all the evidence or stonewalling us. But here’s the issue, if he didn’t perjure himself and didn’t know about it, the best way that they can help us, Congressman Issa and me, is to just issue all the documents that we ask for and those documents will prove one way or the other right or wrong.”

#21 Did Barack Obama ever know about Operation Fast and Furious?  He says that he did not authorize the program.  On March 22, 2011 Obama made the following statement….

“I did not authorize [Fast and Furious]. Eric Holder, the attorney general, did not authorize it. There may be a situation here in which a serious mistake was made. If that’s the case, then we’ll find — find out and we’ll hold somebody accountable.”

#22 CBS News investigative journalist Sharyl Attkisson claimed on the Laura Ingraham show the other day that officials in the Obama administration were literally screaming and yelling at her for aggressively investigating the Fast and Furious scandal….

Ingraham: So they were literally screaming at you?
Attkisson: Yes. Well the DOJ woman was just yelling at me. The guy from the White House on Friday night literally screamed at me and cussed at me. [Laura: Who was the person? Who was the person at Justice screaming?] Eric Schultz. Oh, the person screaming was [DOJ spokeswoman] Tracy Schmaler, she was yelling not screaming. And the person who screamed at me was Eric Schultz at the White House.”

Where there is smoke there is usually fire.

Something about this whole thing really stinks.

It would be a shame if Operation Fast and Furious is allowed to be swept under the rug.

The weapons sold during Operation Fast and Furious are going to be used to kill a lot of people.  The legacy of this scandal will be felt on both sides of the border for years to come.

The Mexican government deserves some answers.

The American people deserve some answers.

Hopefully we will get some.
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 This is treason, we know it.
 The same old problem comes to the surface, the majority of people don't know or don't care to know.
There are reasons for this, the primarty being  the fact our MSM caters to the elites, the big faces have the last word, not the whistle blowers or even the elected officals barking about it.
 Ideololigy, what they don't know won't hurt us. Obama denies knowledge, Holder, Nappy, (the all in the family tribe) have a free pass, plausible deniability and their unquestioable seat of power.
 Confusion, deception, fear, are evils playpen. 2,500 arms allowed to be sent to the cartells and feed the fires of destruction, a border war or future invasion.
 My hats off to the whistle blowers, it took integrity and guts to come forward, something the cowards controlling us don't have. I have to include in this my dissapointment that even the lower level  ATF's and field supervisors were aware of this betrayal and kept stum.
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Fast and Furious used to terrorize an entire city to escalate BS drug war
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2011, 01:42:26 PM »
Fast and Furious weapons were found in Mexico cartel enforcer's home
Guns illegally purchased under the ATF operation were found in April hidden in violence-plagued Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, court records show.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-atf-guns-20111009,0,6431788.story?track=rss
October 8, 2011, 8:46 p.m.

Reporting from Washington— High-powered assault weapons illegally purchased under the ATF's Fast and Furious program in Phoenix ended up in a home belonging to the purported top Sinaloa cartel enforcer in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, whose organization was terrorizing that city with the worst violence in the Mexican drug wars. In all, 100 assault weapons acquired under Fast and Furious were transported 350 miles from Phoenix to El Paso, making that West Texas city a central hub for gun traffickers. Forty of the weapons made it across the border and into the arsenal of Jose Antonio Torres Marrufo, a feared cartel leader in Ciudad Juarez, according to federal court records and trace documents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

The smugglers' tactics — quickly moving the weapons far from ATF agents in southern Arizona, where it had been assumed they would circulate — vividly demonstrate that what had been viewed as a local problem was much larger. Six other Fast and Furious guns destined for El Paso were recovered in Columbus, N.M.

"These Fast and Furious guns were going to Sinaloans, and they are killing everyone down there," said one knowledgeable U.S. government source, who asked for anonymity because of the ongoing investigations. "But that's only how many we know came through Texas. Hundreds more had to get through."

Torres Marrufo, also known as "the Jaguar," has been identified by U.S. authorities as the enforcer for Sinaloa cartel chieftain Joaquin "Chapo" Guzman. The Fast and Furious weapons were found at one of Torres Marrufo's homes April 30 when Mexican police inspected the property. It was unoccupied but "showed signs of recent activity," they said. The basement had been converted into a gym with a wall covered with built-in mirrors. Behind the mirrors they found a hidden room with the Fast and Furious weapons and dozens more, including an antiaircraft machine gun, a sniper rifle and a grenade launcher. "We have seized the most important cache of weapons in the history of Ciudad Juarez," Chihuahua state Gov. Cesar Duarte said at the time, though he did not know that many of the weapons came from the U.S. and Fast and Furious. Torres Marrufo has been indicted in El Paso, but authorities have been unable to locate and arrest him.

In the U.S., intelligence officials consider the Sinaloa cartel the most powerful drug trafficking organization in the world. Weekly reports from U.S. intelligence authorities to the Justice Department in the summer of 2010, at the height of Fast and Furious, warned about the proliferation of guns reaching the Sinaloa cartel.

Under Fast and Furious, begun in fall 2009, the ATF allowed illegal buyers to walk away with weapons in the hope that agents in Phoenix could track the guns and arrest cartel leaders. Three months into the program, El Paso began to emerge as a hub, perhaps the central location, for Fast and Furious weapons. On Jan. 13, 2010, El Paso police stumbled upon 40 firearms after following a suspicious dark blue Volkswagen Jetta that backed into a garage at a local residence, according to federal court records. Alberto Sandoval told authorities he acquired the weapons three days after they were purchased from someone he knew only as "Rudy." He said he was paid $1,000 to store the guns and "knew the firearms were going to Mexico." Sandoval pleaded guilty in federal court in El Paso and was sentenced to 6 1/2 years in prison. A month later, on Dec. 17, 2010, he escaped from a minimum-security prison in Tucson; officials believe he fled to Mexico. Two others, Ivan Chavira and Edgar Ivan Galvan, were subsequently charged in that gun recovery, along with the recovery of 20 Fast and Furious weapons on April 7, 2010, in El Paso. Those guns also were discovered by chance by local authorities, and ATF trace records show that the weapons were purchased in Phoenix two weeks before they were found in El Paso. Chavira and Galvan pleaded guilty. Chavira received eight years in prison; Galvan is to be sentenced next month.
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Re: Fast and Furious used to terrorize an entire city to escalate BS drug war
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2011, 04:14:39 PM »
 The trafficker was caught, OK, that's good. BUT-How about the criminals that sent them these weapons.
Same show different time frame, the dipshit dealer gets canned and the big dog U.S. political appointees walk.
  This whole show was to keep the fires burning, discombobulate the minds of the American public, raise hell to the south. I have a feeling if this had not been exposed our grand leaders would be preparing A US military insertion.
   Bottom line, the Nappy and Holder will use the plausible deniability line, " Gee Whiz, thats news to us, we knew nothing " 3 bags full.
 

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10 Arizona's Sheriffs Blast "Fast and Furious" Operation
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2011, 05:29:38 PM »

Cochise County Sheriff Larry Dever speaks as, from left, Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu, Yavapai County Sheriff Scott Mascher, LaPaz County Sheriff Don Lowrey, Greenlee County Sheriff Steve Tucker and Mohave County Sheriff Tom Sheahan listen during a press conference in front of the Arizona Peace Officers memorial Friday, Oct. 7, 2011 in Phoenix to discuss "Operation Fast and Furious". The gathering was to announce that Ten Arizona Sheriffs demand a Special Counsel to Investigate Attorney General Eric Holder and the Department of Justice for their roles in “Operation Fast & Furious”.

http://wcfcourier.com/news/national/arizona-sheriffs-blast-gun-smuggling-operation/article_faf1824f-b3a2-53a7-9229-6fafa8dffea3.html#ixzz1aViz3vTB

They also said the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' 2009 operation, known as "Fast and Furious," was a betrayal of state law enforcement.

"We're down there busting our butts every day trying to keep the American public safe," said Cochise County Larry Dever, whose jurisdiction is on the Arizona-Mexico border.

"We are here to help defend America, whether it's beyond the border or any place north where the tentacles of these cartels reach into our communities across this nation every single day. And for our own government to be complicit in helping them conduct that business is offensive to us," he said.


Source: http://www.12ktrv.com/story/15643778/arizona-sheriffs-blast-gun-smuggling-operation

Ten Arizona sheriffs slammed the Obama administration on Friday over a botched federal operation that allowed up to 1,400 high-powered rifles to make their way to Mexico, calling for the president to launch an independent investigation and for Attorney General Eric Holder to step down or be fired.

Speaking at the state capitol in Phoenix, the sheriffs called the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' 2009 operation, known as "Fast and Furious," a betrayal of state law enforcement. Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu (BAB'-yew) said it's not a partisan issue, noting that the sheriffs joining him were Democrats and Republicans.

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« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2011, 06:33:37 PM »
  Will this be seen by the general American public, nope.

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Re: 10 Arizona's Sheriffs Blast "Fast and Furious" Operation
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2011, 06:37:41 PM »
C'mon man open treason from the local level all the way through middle management up straight to Holder, Obama, Napolitano, the whole crew.  Is it any wonder that this is getting a near blackout?  We should be hearing 24/7 coverage of operation fast and furious just like when Watergate blew wide open.

The thing is, most americans, at least in FL, are so freakin stupid that they when you say operation Fast and Furious they think Vin Diesel, Paul Walker, and some horrible acting.  I honestly think that's why they made like 6 fast and furious movies.  I mean the plot was so stupid everytime, boom preconditioning. 

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Re: 10 Arizona's Sheriffs Blast "Fast and Furious" Operation
« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2011, 06:41:07 PM »


The thing is, most americans, at least in FL, are so freakin stupid that they when you say operation Fast and Furious they think Vin Diesel, Paul Walker, and some horrible acting.  I honestly think that's why they made like 6 fast and furious movies.  I mean the plot was so stupid everytime, boom preconditioning. 


 :D :D That's classic and that's why those duds came up with the operation's name. Just for the masses.
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Feinstein Uses 'Fast and Furious' to Make Case for National Gun Registration
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Feinstein Uses 'Fast and Furious' to Make Case for National Gun Registration

Making a case for national gun registration, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) said “perhaps mistakes were made” in the botched gun-walking program known as Fast and Furious, but she said trying to assign blame misses the larger problem.

“This is a deep concern for me. I know others disagree, but we have very lax laws when it comes to guns,” Feinstein, an advocate of gun control,  said during Tuesday's hearing of the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime and Terrorism.

“My concern, Mr. Chairman, is that there’s been a lot said about Fast and Furious, and perhaps mistakes were made,” Feinstein said. “But I think this hunt for blame doesn’t really speak about the problem. And the problem is, anybody can walk in and buy anything.”

In Operation Fast and Furious, a Justice Department program that began in September 2009, law enforcement knowingly allowed about 2,000 U.S. guns to flow to Mexican drug cartels, with the intent of tracking the weapons and making arrests. However, law enforcement lost track of most of the weapons. The program was halted in December 2010 after two weapons from the program were found at the murder scene of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.

Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer, head of the Justice Department’s criminal division, revealed Monday that he knew about Operation Fast and Furious going back to April 2010, but did not inform Attorney General Eric Holder about the matter.

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Feinstein Uses 'Fast and Furious' to Make Case for National Gun Registration

Making a case for national gun registration, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) said “perhaps mistakes were made” in the botched gun-walking program known as Fast and Furious, but she said trying to assign blame misses the larger problem.

“This is a deep concern for me. I know others disagree, but we have very lax laws when it comes to guns,” Feinstein, an advocate of gun control,  said during Tuesday's hearing of the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime and Terrorism.

“My concern, Mr. Chairman, is that there’s been a lot said about Fast and Furious, and perhaps mistakes were made,” Feinstein said. “But I think this hunt for blame doesn’t really speak about the problem. And the problem is, anybody can walk in and buy anything.”

In Operation Fast and Furious, a Justice Department program that began in September 2009, law enforcement knowingly allowed about 2,000 U.S. guns to flow to Mexican drug cartels, with the intent of tracking the weapons and making arrests. However, law enforcement lost track of most of the weapons. The program was halted in December 2010 after two weapons from the program were found at the murder scene of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.

Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer, head of the Justice Department’s criminal division, revealed Monday that he knew about Operation Fast and Furious going back to April 2010, but did not inform Attorney General Eric Holder about the matter.

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It was bound to happen. Love her logic. "Assigning blame misses the larger problem." Yes, so lets blame the commoners, rather than the duplicitous criminals in the government who did this heinous act, failed to act, failed to notify, failed to take corrective action, and are presently negatively retaining Eric Holder, despite his obvious lies in the media. It apparently matters not that the government did the exact same shit they blame us commoners for doing, they even did it on a grander scale, and were aware of what their crime did. But it's easier to blame us, to control us.

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Let me check...  Yea, that's what it says, "shall not be infinged".

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Feinstein Uses 'Fast and Furious' to Make Case for National Gun Registration

Making a case for national gun registration, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) said “perhaps mistakes were made” in the botched gun-walking program known as Fast and Furious, but she said trying to assign blame misses the larger problem.

“This is a deep concern for me. I know others disagree, but we have very lax laws when it comes to guns,” Feinstein, an advocate of gun control,  said during Tuesday's hearing of the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime and Terrorism.

“My concern, Mr. Chairman, is that there’s been a lot said about Fast and Furious, and perhaps mistakes were made,” Feinstein said. “But I think this hunt for blame doesn’t really speak about the problem. And the problem is, anybody can walk in and buy anything"
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« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2011, 04:59:30 PM »
The El Paso County Sheriff's Office is among local law enforcement agencies that were asked to assist with the controversial Operation Fast and Furious, in which guns were allowed to cross into Mexico in the hope of tracing them, officials confirmed Wednesday.

"Our HIDTA (High Intensity Drug-Trafficking Area) personnel assigned to DEA assisted with Operation Fast and Furious," said Chris Acosta, a spokeswoman for the El Paso County Sheriff's Office.

However, Sheriff Richard Wiles said, the department was not told its support was for that particular ATF operation.

"We assisted the DEA with a request for surveillance of an individual at a hotel, because they had information that an exchange involving drugs for weapons and money was going to take place," Wiles said.

"This went on for six to eight months, but nothing happened. Later, we found out this operation was part of Fast and Furious," Wiles said. "I don't know if something came out of it later."

Wiles said he did not want to get into the politics of the operation, and he added that his office will continue to assist with requests for legitimate law enforcement activities.

"When the federal agencies ask us for help, they don't always tell us everything," Wiles said.

DEA officials at the national level previously acknowledged that their agents helped with the operation. El Paso's DEA office did not return a message about its role in Operation Fast and Furious.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, or ATF, launched the 2009 operation in Phoenix in an attempt to identify high-level arms traffickers who were supplying the Mexican drug cartels with weapons.

The operation allowed weapons purchased in the United States to cross the border into Mexico.

Weapons associated with Fast and Furious have turned up in El Paso, Juárez and Columbus, N.M., and at murder scenes in Mexico and Arizona.

Last year, the El Paso Police Department, acting on a tip, discovered a stash house in far East El Paso that contained 40 new AK-47s and seven military bulletproof vests. The weapons, which were in a vehicle with Chihuahua plates, were shipped from a business in Vermont.

They arrested a man identified as Arturo Sandoval in connection with the seizures. He was indicted on federal weapons charges. Sandoval, 25, pleaded guilty to a charge of receiving firearms while under indictment and was sentenced to 6å years in federal prison.

"We did not assist with Fast and Furious in any way," El Paso police Detective Mike Baranyay said. "Our investigators were able to connect the weapons they found at the stash house to Fast and Furious, and then they turned them over to the ATF."

Travis Kuykendall, director of the West Texas HIDTA, said HIDTA itself was not part of Operation Fast and Furious.

"It was probably a request for help from the ATF in Phoenix, because the ATF in El Paso had such a small staff," Kuykendall said.

U.S. Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, said Wednesday that he plans to question Attorney General Eric Holder about the gun-walking operations with Texas connections next Tuesday.

Holder is scheduled to testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee about Operation Fast and Furious, and he can expect questions about other similar ATF operations such as Operations Wide Receiver and Gunrunner.

Cornyn, who is on the committee, said in a news media conference call that the Justice Department provided another "document dump" this week containing 650 government records about the operations.

One or more of the weapons were found near the scene of a shootout in 2010 in Arizona where Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was killed.

Cornyn said he and other House and Senate members who are investigating also want to find out whether Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agent Jaime Zapata was killed in Mexico with one of these guns.

"These operations were ill-conceived and fatally flawed," Cornyn said. "What's just as bad is that the Mexican government was not notified about the operations."

Cornyn said he did not know yet whether the latest batch of government documents contains details about the Texas connections.

Justice Department officials said various federal, state and local law enforcement agencies assisted with the ATF's Fast and Furious.

FBI officials in El Paso were not available for comment.

Tom Vinger, spokesman for the Texas Department of Public Safety, said he did not have any information on whether DPS helped in any of the operations.

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Re: El Paso County Sheriff's Office aided feds' Fast and Furious
« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2011, 05:43:25 PM »
 So, when the Feds ask him the next time, just tell them to go and shiiit in their fist, he is a sherriff, he doesn't have to bend over for the Feds.

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 Its odd to think the writers of the Bill of Rights had to argue whether to pen the Bill of Rights in the first place due to the self evidency of the rights contained there in.



Yeah, which only begs to be noticed, that while it was common sense to the writers at the given time, our politicians now seem to lack the common sense to even know those simple truths.
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Eric Holder uses Fast and Furious to promote gun control at Senate hearing
« Reply #26 on: November 10, 2011, 08:13:11 AM »

http://americaswatchtower.com/2011/11/09/gunrunner-eric-holder-uses-fast-and-furious-to-promote-gun-control-at-senate-hearing/

  What a piece of trash Eric Holder is. 

 Yesterday Eric Holder testified in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee on Operation Fast and Furious and once again me made the claim that he knew nothing about the deadly and scandalous operation. He said that while it was his responsibility to know what was happening in the “Justice” Department that he couldn’t possibly be expected to know every detail of every operation in the department. That certainly sounds like a contradiction on his part; on one hand he admits it is his responsibility to know what is happening in his department, and on the other hand he is claiming that it is impossible for him to know what is happening in his department. It sounds as if he isn’t up to the task he agreed to undertake when he accepted the role as head of the “Justice” Department.

  We know that this is a lie based on Janet Napolitano’s testimony in which she admitted that Operation Fast and Furious was an  OCDETF which would have required Eric Holder to sign off on before it was implemented.

  But that is not what I wanted to focus on today because I wanted to focus on this statement that Eric Holder also made during yesterday’s testimony:

Unfortunately, earlier this year the House of Representatives actually voted to keep law enforcement in the dark when individuals purchase multiple semi-automatic rifles and shotguns in Southwest border gun shops,” Holder’s written testimony declares. “Providing law enforcement with the tools to detect and disrupt illegal gun trafficking is entirely consistent with the constitutional rights of law-abiding citizens and it is critical to addressing the public safety crisis on the Southwest border

  Eric Holder did what many people try to do when they are losing an argument and have no facts to back up an argument, he tried to change the subject by shifting the investigation and attempted to turn the tables on the Congress and put them on trial for failing to pass more stringent gun control laws even though his “Justice” Department was selling weapons to criminals and are the ones under investigation here.

  Over two years ago I wrote a post about how I felt that the violence at the Mexican border was going to be used by the Obama regime as a “crisis” to be used to implement strict gun control laws on the American people based on the 90% lie. This post was written before Operation fast and Furious became public knowledge and it has been my contention that Fast and Furious was being used as a means to ensure the 90% number was reached.

  Ignoring the Fast and Furious scandal, back in July of this year the “Justice” Department moved forward with the gun grabbing scheme when it announced that gun shops must report all law abiding citizens who purchase more than one gun at a time in order to help quell the violence at the Mexican border. This policy was never implemented because the Congress must have realized the hypocrisy of the “Justice” Department asking law abiding Americans to adhere to more gun laws while the department was responsible for some of the violence at the border in the first place.

  And now Eric Holder is berating the Congress for not implementing his plan even though he is guilty of providing the criminals with the guns used to justify his gun grabbing policies. Eric Holder has no case and he has no shame; he is gong on the offensive because he knows that he cannot defend himself or his policies.
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Re: Eric Holder uses Fast and Furious to promote gun control at Senate hearing
« Reply #27 on: November 10, 2011, 08:50:39 AM »
http://www.infowars.com/holder-congress-partly-to-blame-for-hostility-to-gun-control/



Holder: Congress partly to blame for hostility to gun control
                    
US ‘losing battle’ to stem flow of illegal guns into Mexico – attorney general
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The Obama administration has warned that the US is “losing the battle” to stem the flow of weapons from American guns shops to Mexican drug cartels responsible for tens of thousands of killings.
The US attorney general, Eric Holder, told a Senate hearing that Congress is in part to blame because of its hostility to gun control, even going so far as to try and block federal law enforcement agencies from requiring gun shops to report multiple sales of automatic weapons.
Holder described as “flawed” American attempts to break the cycle, in which the profits from selling illegal drugs in the US are used to buy guns that are shipped across the Mexican border to the cartels which use them to protect their operations – and conduct a small scale war in which 40,000 Mexicans have been killed over the past five years – in order to send more drugs to the US. He noted that of 94,000 weapons captured from drug traffickers by the Mexican authorities, more than 64,000 originated in the US.
“We are losing the battle to stop the flow of illegal guns to Mexico,” said Holder.
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Re: Eric Holder uses Fast and Furious to promote gun control at Senate hearing
« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2011, 12:34:05 AM »
the sad part is that a bunch of dumb asses will eat that bowl of crap soup then ask for more.

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« Reply #29 on: November 11, 2011, 04:45:56 AM »
the sad part is that a bunch of dumb asses will eat that bowl of crap soup then ask for more.


Holder is caught... He has perjured himself big time more than once... Issa and the committee also know that the axe reaches much higher, and back much further than just this administration... high ups in ATF are singing big time... and now we will see if congress has the balls to administer the severing blow... to refuse the bribes and emoluments... instead, slice itself free from the parasitic Gorgon of the New World Order... and finally place the governing of the nation back into the hands of the people.

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Re: Eric Holder uses Fast and Furious to promote gun control at Senate hearing
« Reply #30 on: November 11, 2011, 10:46:29 AM »
 Plausible deniability, S.O.P.
 The big dogs simply don't care what they say or do, they are the POWER, law and on the inside.
If this freak had any honor he would hang himself, I guess its safe to say he is a true blue shiitbag.
  All I can say about this episode, the parasites are feeding and America is on their plate.
Violence escalated on our borders, just another freak show, FEAR & Confusion, taking our eyes of what the real deal is,,,,,,,,,,WARS....

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Re: Eric Holder uses Fast and Furious to promote gun control at Senate hearing
« Reply #31 on: November 11, 2011, 10:40:20 PM »
This is Obama's Reichstag Fire. The Obama admin KNOWINGLY smuggled guns to Mexican gangs and pretty much say that rightwing domestic extremists are to blame for THEIR crimes. It's like the Nazis burning down the Reichstag building and blaming communists for THEIR self-inflicted crimes. Nazibama makes me sick.

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« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2011, 02:38:57 AM »
If I understand Eric Holder correctly, "We sold guns to Mexican Drug Cartels, and now we need the funds to get them back. Really we need the funds to buy and sell more guns." end hypothetical quote. Is that far off?

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« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2011, 03:32:55 AM »
This is Obama's Reichstag Fire. The Obama admin KNOWINGLY smuggled guns to Mexican gangs and pretty much say that rightwing domestic extremists are to blame for THEIR crimes. It's like the Nazis burning down the Reichstag building and blaming communists for THEIR self-inflicted crimes. Nazibama makes me sick.

Excellent analogy, yet it needs to be broadened to see the global implications of this government gun-running-drug-smuggling operation.

The administration is denying the extent and quantity of the smuggling and their term of involvement, forcing the blame on gun owners on one side, and small time drug smugglers on the other.

They have smuggled many hundreds of time the arms that they are acknowledging, and many hundreds of tons more illicit drugs, which they are only now admitting calling it necessary in both cases...  ::)

As this unfolds, we will find that the guns began crossing the border even before Clinton; Mena Arkansas and government drug smuggling are synonymous... so we know how long that has been going on...

The guns to the invaders are as necessary to their invasion, as the will destroying affects of the tons of drugs are on the American people will help insure a successful take over... this is the force factor portion of David Rockefeller's FTA which became NAFTA, CAFTA, and the SPP.

The idea of a hot Drug War is the engine of last resort in their plan, which is now opening into full swing, yet it must be contained.

Canada has been closed off at their border as the hostilities to their south are beginning to build.

The queen bitch does not want her Canadian possession to be the relief valve for the mixed breed descendants of Europe's ghettos and the Mezo Indians to spill into her North American jewel.

Americans are shaken down or killed if they go south, yet "Mexicans" are protected if they come north at the expense of the American people...

Obama like Hitler, is the puppet dancing at the behest of the corporate global bankers and the crowned heads of Europe... as will be the case with the next president unless the American people wake up in waves, and sweep Ron Paul into the White House.

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Fast and Furious: Case Files on Murder of Border Agent Brian Terry Gone
« Reply #34 on: November 16, 2011, 11:09:03 AM »
Fast and Furious: Case Files on Terry Murder Have Disappeared, Gone

The Arizona Daily Star's Tim Stellar is reporting the federal case file against illegal Mexican bandits accused of killing Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, has disappeared.

    The case against the alleged killers of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry has disappeared from federal court records, apparently sealed by a federal judge.

    In May, federal prosecutors won an indictment against Manuel Osorio-Arellanes and others, and they announced it with a press release. Only Osorio-Arellanes’ name was visible in the indictment, but there were blacked-out words where other defendants’ names go.

    Osorio-Arellanes was charged with second-degree murder and was not considered the likely shooter. He had been wounded during the gunfight that left Terry dead.

    But in the ensuing months, the case disappeared from court records.

    Why? Nobody is saying.

    Asked about the case, Debra Hartman, spokeswoman for the U.S. Attorney’s Office in San Diego, which is prosecuting the case, said via email: “Yes, our office is handling the case and can’t comment further.”

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« Reply #35 on: November 16, 2011, 01:49:03 PM »
 This case smells like an old barrel of shiiite.
 

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Sen Grassley say's they have evidence that DOJ knew about Fast & Furious FOX
« Reply #36 on: December 06, 2011, 04:56:58 AM »
Furor Over 'Fast and Furious' Lies

Sen. Chuck Grassley wants Dept. of Justice to come clean on who knew what and when in 'Fast and Furious' scandal.Sen Grassley say's they have evidence that DOJ knew about Fast & Furious & are lying about it.

Video StoryHere: http://video.foxnews.com/v/1311413136001/furor-over-fast-and-furious-lies/?playlist_id=89671

New Questions About Fast & Furious

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1310973520001/new-questions-about-fast--furious


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DOJ’s Fast and Furious Cover-up Coming Apart at the Seams
« Reply #38 on: December 08, 2011, 09:32:25 AM »
http://www.westernjournalism.com/doj’s-fast-and-furious-cover-up-coming-apart-at-the-seams/?utm_source=Western+Journalism&utm_campaign=ed28b8d53f-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email

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The Department of Justice cover-up of Operation Fast and Furious, begun literally hours after the December 2010 shooting death of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, is coming apart at the seams. In yet another Friday evening document dump, the Obama administration provided Congress and an increasingly interested American public “documents detailing how the [DOJ] gave inaccurate information to a US senator in the controversy surrounding Operation Fast and Furious.”
In short, after spending months in all-out denial and obfuscation, stonewalling congressional investigators and depending upon nearly universal media silence to make the issue go away, the Attorney General Eric Holder-led Department of Justice has begun to offer up damning, self-incriminating information to its principle antagonists—Senator Charles Grassley and Representative Darrell Issa. And that means just one thing: Holder and the DOJ no longer have a choice.
On February 3rd, ATF Agent Gary Styers addressed a memo to top officials of the Bureau. In it he corroborated the testimony fellow Agent John Dodson had provided Senator Grassley one week earlier, asserting Dodson was quite correct in claims that the Bureau “divided and isolated agents” while facilitating the deliberate “walking” of guns across the Mexican border.
One day later, Assistant Attorney General Ron Weich addressed his own letter to Congress, stating unequivocally that “the allegation …that ATF ‘sanctioned’ or otherwise knowingly allowed the sale of assault weapons…is ‘false.’”

 
Former U.S. Attorney for Phoenix Dennis Burke and former Phoenix branch ATF Agent in Charge Bill Newell spent months adhering to the phony claims made by Weich. But overwhelming evidence of criminal ATF behavior, coupled with the growing realization that the Regime would have no compunction about serving them up as scapegoats to relentless committee investigators, finally forced the pair to fess up.
And now the DOJ is backtracking fervently. No longer able to use the “continuing investigation” into the Terry murder as an excuse for Department silence, one particularly revealing document in the Friday dump states DOJ “will make a rare exception to the department’s recognized protocols and provide you (Congress) with information related to how the inaccurate information came to be included in [Weich’s] letter.”
That is, in the typical Justice Department fashion of dismissive arrogance,  Holder’s minions will graciously deign to provide Congress with at least some belated explanation for the year of lies and distortions fed to the American people and the Grassley and Issa committees.
I'M A DEPLORABLE KNUCKLEHEAD THAT SUPPORTS PRESIDENT TRUMP.  MAY GOD BLESS HIM AND KEEP HIM SAFE.

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Despite Holders assertions, documents prove DOJ lied about Fast & Furious.
« Reply #39 on: December 15, 2011, 02:09:22 PM »
Ethics In Government: Attorney General Eric Holder insists "nobody at the Justice Department has lied" about the gun-running scandal Fast and Furious. That in itself is a lie, as his deputy's emails prove.

Documents obtained by congressional investigators show Lanny Breuer, Justice's criminal division chief, misled the public — under oath — about what he knew about the disastrous and ultimately deadly program. And what he did to cover it up.

• Lie No. 1: Breuer knew as far back as April 2010 that ATF officials had let assault weapons "walk" — which meant ending surveillance on guns suspected en route to Mexican warlords, and turning a blind eye to criminals illegally buying weapons for trafficking on the border.

Guns found at the scene of slain Border Patrol agent Brian Terry were traced to Fast and Furious.

That April, Breuer and an aide conspired with ATF leaders to cover up "the bad stuff that would come out."

When Sen. Chuck Grassley, the top Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, got wind of the scandal, he demanded answers. Breuer consulted in the drafting of a Feb. 4 letter to Grassley falsely denying that ATF had ever walked guns.

Newly obtained emails show Breuer received drafts of the letter four times via email. He even forwarded drafts to his personal Google email account.

• Lie No. 2: When Grassley recently asked Breuer point blank if he reviewed the letter, Breuer suggested he had not looked at it. "At the time," he testified, "I was in Mexico dealing with the very real issues that we are all so committed to."

Of course, he made this statement before investigators had the benefit of his emails. In response to the draft he received while in Mexico, Breuer emailed one of his aides: "As usual, great work."

"Imagine my surprise when I discovered from documents that Mr. Breuer was far more informed during the drafting of that letter than he admitted before the judiciary committee," Grassley fumed last week on the Senate floor.

Grassley says Breuer both lied in officially denying in a letter what he knew to be true about federal gun-running, and then lied about his involvement in the letter.

"Mr. Breuer's failure to be candid and forthcoming before this body irreparably harms his credibility," Grassley added in the speech, during which he called for Breuer's resignation.

Forget resignation. Breuer ought to be investigated for perjury.

http://news.investors.com/Article/594827/201112141912/justice-aide-lies-about-fast-and-furious.htm?src=IBDDAE