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« on: December 13, 2010, 01:35:32 PM »

I posted a nice peice (several times each time deleted) about how i could PROOVE that the govt is putting crap into the atmosphere, linked in alot about:

UK germ warfare tests admitted by MOD

.mil docs on stratospheric research and

Project CARE (Charged Aerosol Release Program)

HAARP pepers showing they use aluminium to better mess with the atmosphere

And that little **** "Unicus" refuses to leave my posts up !

God he annoys me - he claims he isnt a shill but just likes to show people they are wrong for believing in "chemtrails"

Anyone and everyone if you are bored. feeling argumentative please head over there and pokle him !

http://contrailscience.com/chemtrails-the-best-evidence/#comment-54520
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« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2010, 01:45:23 PM »

You done a good service Phasma, but i'd move on, at least for now, all folks have to do is look up and see something's up, apart from the young folks that is, they will believe it's always been like this.
Young folks have been through by now a great indoctrination campaign, that's why we see all the bs christmas cracker stuff and the like, to support that same indoctrination.
The next generation will be full blown automatons, welcome to the future, leave your heart at home, it's mindless robot time.
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« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2010, 01:51:24 PM »

I know, But this guy has this whole site to debunk chemtrails , its unreal the amount of effort he puts into it !

I will drop in on him intermittantly.

The fact he deletes these posts when he argues against so many others shows that he cannot argue against them i guess
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« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2010, 01:55:03 PM »

I know, But this guy has this whole site to debunk chemtrails ...

Ahh, i see, i personally wouldn't have the patience, i'd call him what he is, an evil piece of shite, and move on. Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2010, 02:00:01 PM »

People do, but it seems to not phase him. So irritating!

If you get bored g over to his site and poke around, You`ll see what I mean.
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« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2010, 02:07:50 PM »

People do, but it seems to not phase him. So irritating!

If you get bored g over to his site and poke around, You`ll see what I mean.

Can you provide links to some of the information posted and will repost.
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« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2010, 02:17:08 PM »

This site is such a f**king joke:

http://contrailscience.com/about/



ContrailScience on CNN, Nov 11 2010

ContrailScience.com is just a place where I write about both contrails and science – which also includes some looking at the “chemtrails” theory, and the pseudoscience associated with it.

My name is Mick West, I’m a private pilot (in training, I have a solo certification, and have flown a 150 mile solo flight).  I’ve been training out of Santa Monica airport, so I know the airspace round here. I like writing, and figuring things out. See something odd in the sky? Let me know.

I’m not a scientist, or a meteorologist, but I like to think that what I post is comprised of independently verifiable facts.  You can check the facts yourself.  If you find ANY error on this site, then let me know and I will issue a correction immediately.



my commentary:

My name is Joe Blow.  I am a student and I have all of the answers.  I beLIEve everything the establishment tells me.  I use "science" in my site title, even though I am not a scientist.

I have no background, but I will gladly regurgitate propaganda.

I won't look into David Keith's research because that's conspiracy thewewy.  I know everything because I flew 150 miles all by myself.  Aren't you proud of me mommy.

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Sorry for sounding like a d**k, but this LOSER is a total waste of time.

To show how uncredible Faux news is, if you need any more proof, is that they cited this dumbass for the missile contrail outside of L.A. being a jet contrail.

I am more credible than this douchebag, and I sit in my underwear while typing these posts.  Most of my posts, I copy/paste other people's work and use the bold red highlighting that I took from Anti_illuminati's handiwork.

Pretty much all of my research is horse's mouth type of stuff.

I cite real white papers, while this guy cites garbage and self-references.

I want everyone to IGNORE this scumbag.  We can tune him out with better research.  Don't visit him or debate him, because that brings more traffic to his s**ty website.

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« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2010, 02:20:07 PM »

KiwiClare or Dig should re-name this thread to "Contrail Science Debunked"

People looooovvee the word "debunked" so let them enjoy this thread then, because Mickey the student pilot debunked his own self.
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« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2010, 02:57:36 PM »

sure happy to! see how annoying he is BTT?

Ok Unicus, can you please now explain this lot away for me?

You say there is no evidence that the govt is spraying chemicals in the skies above us.
I say if you believe this then you have not realy researched the facts.

Let me help you out there with a few documents - mostly wrote by the governments not "conspircay" nuts:

1) The UK govt has previously sprayed the population of the UK with several germ warfare agents attached to cobwebs. Some were simulated (non harmful) bacteria (that still managed to cause respiratory issues in people with bad chests) others were purposefully weaponised. The closing comments state they cannot say if they still do this because THEY CANNOT COMMENT ON ONGOING RESEARCH. ONGOING. Therefore, bearing this in mind, the argument that "the govt would'nt do this without permission " and "they have to breathe the same air they would'nt do that" fall flat. And if they`ll do it with germ warfare agents - they will do it with other stuff too, stands to reason.

Millions were in germ war tests
Much of Britain was exposed to bacteria sprayed in secret trials

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience

2) A simple "site:.mil " search on google for stratospheric aerosols will prove that there are hundreds if not thousands of documented "aersosol" release experiments during which metals / chemicals / compounds were released into the atmosphere by :
Specially adapted exhaust plume generators on aircraft
Rockets
From ships!

examples:

Global Stratospheric Impact of Solid Rocket Motor Launchers
http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf&AD=ADA413823

Aerial Spraying (page Cool
http://www.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-051013-001.pdf

Cloud Seeding (page 10)
http://www.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-051013-001.pdf

Dr. Paul Bernhardt Elected IEEE Fellow
Dr. Bernhardt's research interests have been primarily in the areas of ionospheric modification with high power radio waves and chemical releases and satellite based radio-beacon sensing of space plasmas.
Dr. Bernhardt has pioneered the use of chemical releases to study the ionosphere. His ionospheric modification experiments have been monitored with Incoherent Scatter Radar (ISR) systems around the world and with in situ plasma probes provided by NRL's Plasma Physics Division. The 1992 NRL Ionospheric Focused Heating (IFH) experiment, combined chemical release and high-power radio wave technology to produce the highest level of plasma turbulence ever measured with the Arecibo ISR
http://www.nrl.navy.mil/pao/pressRelease.php?Y=2006&R=17-06r

Why do they do this? Well now rhere are several reasons:

1) To create an aerial antenna (a metal layer that can "bounce" military signals around the globe without the need for ground relay stations.
2) To block satelittle comms (up and down links)
3) To increase the Albedo (reflectiveness) effect of the planet - mimicking volcanic releases of sulphur dioxide and other chemicals to "combat global warming"
4) To better mess with the ionosphere during ionospheric research experiments

The last one is of particular concern to me, because the "chemicals " they use are in fact heavy metal. The worst of these research sites is Haarp.

There is some evidence that haarp can utilise these trails of metal to send HF radiowaves around the planet with potentially devastating consequences.

For anyone not familiar with haarp and its ilk, a little peice I wrote:

http://mikephilbin.blogspot.com/2010/11/guest-blogger-nikki-wade-holes-in-sky.html

While lower level stratospheric aerosols released from normal jet aircraft have been commonly known about fo some time, it is now possible to confirm that THEY ARE ALSO SPRAYING VAST QUANTITIES OF ALUMINIUM OXIDE from NASA SPACE SHUTTLE VEHICLES! [reference: NRL Press Release]

They do this either very high up (100km) or at lower levels and they have the means to make rockets "hover" in the same place while they spew the contents of their load over a defined area (not that it stays defined - their experiments show that this stuff spreads at a rate of 100 meters per second via high altitude wind shear which means exhaust from the misappropriately named project CARE (Charged Aerosol Release Experiments) and similar - see photo - over America's east coast would reach us here in the UK in less than 50 minutes! [reference: NRL Press Release]

NRL Rocket Experiment Lights up the East Coast

http://www.nrl.navy.mil/pao/pressRelease.php?Y=2009&R=107-09r



CARE (gotta love the cynicism of that acronym) = CHARGED AEROSOL RELEASE EXPERIMENTS

They do this to "study the ionosphere / stratosphere / magnetosphere they say. They did this above HAARP and found that adding "chemicals" (metals) to the atmosphere enhanced the power of their haarp beam. They can create giant holes in the ozone layer - ON PURPOSE! They fill these holes with MAN MADE PLASMAS to serve military research purposes!

From their press release "A rocket launched from Wallops Island, Virginia, used a delayed firing of the fourth stage to release rocket exhaust into the upper atmosphere at 280 km altitude.  
On September 19, 2009, after sunset the CARE dust release was the brightest object in the sky over NRL as viewed from Alexandria, Virginia. The actual release was 200 km off the coast of Virginia at an altitude of 290 km. The dust cloud was produced by a solid rocket motor that remained at a fixed altitude during the engine burn. (Photograph by Dr. John Apruzese of NRL Plasma Physics Division)
The exhaust was composed of aluminum oxide particulates as well as molecules of carbon dioxide, water vapor, and hydrogen. The launch occurred on September 19 at dusk (07:46 pm) to place the 110 kg of exhaust particles in sunlight for easy viewing by cameras on the ground, where the sun had set at that time. The large concentration of dust and exhaust material interacted with the ionosphere to produce a "dusty plasma" with high-speed "pickup ions." Ground-based radars tracked the effects on the ionosphere for over four hours providing valuable data on how rocket motors affect ionospheric densities and providing simulations of natural disturbances in the upper atmosphere."

and more

Glow Away: NASA Lights Up the East Coast Sky with a Noctilucent Cloud

Physicists launch rocket to create the first faux "night-shining" cloud on the cusp of space

Clouds come in countless shapes, from fluffy cotton candy to wispy lines that streak across the sky, but they are all formed from one simple ingredient—water vapor. In an experiment conducted September 19, scientists created the first artificial, high-atmosphere noctilucent cloud. But rather than water, the cloud formed from dust particles spewed out of a rocket. . . .  

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=noctilucent-cloud-dust-rocket-nasa-wallops

Finally (For now) you claim that there is no evidence of increased aluminium as claimed in "what in the world are they spraying"

Well, your wrong about that too. Please refer to this UK govt doc which states

http://cot.food.gov.uk/pdfs/cotstatementtds200808.pdf

COMMITTEE ON TOXICITY OF CHEMICALS IN FOOD, CONSUMER
PRODUCTS AND THE ENVIRONMENT

Estimates of dietary exposure to aluminium (high-level intake for adults, preschool
children, young people, institutionalised elderly and vegetarian groups; and
mean-level intake for pre-school children) exceeded the PTWI set by the JECFA and
the EFSA (equivalent to 143 μg/kg body weight/day) by up to 2.4-fold. The current
average population exposure to aluminium (5.4 mg/day) was increased compared to
that reported in the 2000 and 1997 total diet studies (4.7 mg/day and 3.4 mg/day,
respectively).
(Aluminium up each year they test)

Oh, and by coincidence, despite the fact that 13% of the earths crust is made up of aluminium, and always has been, they have now decided to produce "aluminium resistant food crop seeds" Why go to the trouble and expense?

and

As with the results from 1994, the highest levels of barium in the 2006 survey
were reported in nuts (131 mg/kg) and bread (0.81 mg/kg). All other foodstuffs
contained lower levels than in bread. Levels of barium in nuts were double those
reported in 1994 (131 mg/kg and 56 mg/kg, respectively). Estimated average
population dietary exposures to barium have increased by approximately 46% since
the last TDS in 1994. The estimates of dietary exposure to barium for pre-school
children (mean- and high-level dietary intakes) and of high-level intakes by adults,
young people, free living elderly, and vegetarians, exceeded the WHO TDI of 20
μg/kg body weight/day by up to 4.3-fold. Consumption of tap water has the potential
to increase high-level exposure to barium by 60-130%, which could result in a total
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dietary exposure for high-level intake in pre-school children of 980% of the WHO TDI.

Barium in tap water at 980% of the recommended allowable level for kids !!!

Funny then, that the two chemicals reported to be present in chemtrails are the only two trace metals that have been found to be increasing year on year.

So they are filling the skies with metals like ALUMINIUM, So what? Well. What goes up, must come down. Aluminium HAS NOT BEEN CERTIFIED NON TOXIC ! In fact there is evidence that increased Aluminium levels all over the earth are causing problems. Crops are dying (They have just patented a new "aluminium resistant GMO wheat seed" ) The rate of Altzheimers is known to be increasing and this disease is KNOWN to be linked to ALUMINIUM in the brain. Once it is in your body - it stays there ! It also causes increased immune problems, sinus problems and high blood pressure! You have to be concerned. The rains after they spray this stuff is laden with chemicals! The air before it rains is also full of it. You are breathing it in, eating it, drinking it, every day !

This is a well organised, clearly written website. BUT it is misleading and denies or "debunks" things that can be clearly proven to be true if the readers here would bother to actually go out and read and NOT take the words of Unicus as fact.




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« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2010, 03:37:06 PM »

I tried to post a comment:

I like the "contrails" that turn off and then back on, almost like at the flick of a switch.
 Wink

It wouldn't let me post--gave an error, telling me I had already posted that?!!!

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« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2010, 03:38:36 PM »

I know - it point blank refuses to let me comment too.

maybe they know we are all from here.

How would a single engine pilot with 150 hours solo flight time do that?
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« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2010, 04:27:48 AM »

In Rosalind Peterson interview she states that it doesn't matter if there are chemicals in the trails at all , persistent contrails still alter the weather period , How can u debunk that ? she didn't say it in exactly those words but w/e

How do you debunk the German government admitting it to there people ?
How do you debunk david keith ?
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« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2010, 06:32:49 AM »

Exactly - you cannot in good faith , with admitted facts from the govt, with all the data, stick your head in the sand and merely claim - there are no chemtrails.

That dude would still deny it even if a chem plane came down in his back yard spewing chemcrap all over him !

Its just annoying because for some one to be so hell bent on convincing people that there is no chemtrails - and he is at it 24 / 7 btw, there must be some reason for that. I guess he is a shill of some kind "He aint never saw no chemtrails while flyin his single engine plane for 150 hours"
Good for him. Maybe we should move where ever he lives !
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« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2011, 04:54:58 PM »

Yeah, there is definitely something up with this site...  I was having a debate with them for a few weeks recently and I just don't believe this guy just does this because he likes to debunk stuff.  Way too much effort if you're not being paid for it.  Any time you come up with something thats hard for them to debunk they just come up with absolute BS to debunk it...   The thing is, I believe that naturally occurring persistent contrails can and do exist in certain conditions.  On his site he has lots of photos of persistent contrails from the 40s, 50s and 60s etc.  so that proves to me that these things can occur, in fairly rare conditions, not in the every day way we with eyes can see above us...  This would make sense.  Would make it easier to hide the project if they can have smart-ar**s who know nothing like this guy debunk guys who don't accept these things can happen naturally.  Is hard to get them to see your point of view because their job depends on keeping the party line.  they are either very very arrogant, or part of Cass Sunsteins attempt to debunk conspiracy theories...
When you get down to the nitty gritty and they cant debunk you they just hit out with the usual, "your memory doesn't work" line.  Almost funny if not so obvious something stinks with this site and these guys...  Like the poster says, if you got spare time, go and poke these arrogant imbeciles for a bit.  Ive learned a bit talking to them on some issues and have come away with a much stronger feeling that I was right to be suspicious of the trails in the first place...  Enjoy
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« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2011, 05:02:39 PM »

You should try the Col-Boards.

Talk about a forum for the internet-idiots.

I've been banned from there at least 6 times.   Grin Grin Grin Grin

I just got banned recently.  I couldn't help it this one guy was being an ass.
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« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2011, 07:17:06 AM »

Phasma

Link this book for them,

http://www.amazon.com/Weather-Modification-Programs-Problems-Potential/dp/1410213528

Reprinted in 2004, original print date 1979.
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« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2011, 09:07:33 PM »

Exactly - you cannot in good faith , with admitted facts from the govt, with all the data, stick your head in the sand and merely claim - there are no chemtrails.
Does he believe there is no chemtrails only or does he also not believe in cloud seeding and weather modification because we are talking about three very different things.
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« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2011, 01:49:29 AM »

They alter the weather and earths albedo by means similar to those used for weather modification and cloud seeding. They are all related.

Thanks for links everyone else Smiley
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« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2011, 12:23:20 PM »

They alter the weather and earths albedo by means similar to those used for weather modification and cloud seeding. They are all related.

If you think they are all related then why do you care if it is a contrail or chemtrail both alter the weather? If you think they are all related why is there a cover up of chemtrails but cloud seeding and weather modification are out in the open? Do you drive a car because that also alters the weather.
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« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2011, 12:31:56 PM »

If you think they are all related then why do you care if it is a contrail or chemtrail both alter the weather? If you think they are all related why is there a cover up of chemtrails but cloud seeding and weather modification are out in the open? Do you drive a car because that also alters the weather.


Your trolling is getting really pesky.
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« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2011, 12:41:49 PM »

Great info Phasma, it will take some time to go through completely!  Thanks.  AND, congrats on the 'banning', means you are doing something right! Wink
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« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2011, 01:23:09 PM »

Your trolling is getting really pesky.

Did you look at the link Phasma posted? It was more of a contrails vs chemtrails website then anything else. If Plasma point is anything that alters the weather is bad then she needs to be like CTYForg from that site. He doesn't even drive because it alters the weather.
Cloud seeding is done at lower levels with small planes flying in to building storm cells.
Weather Modification is done with ground and space based equipment.
Chemtrails are from planes flying in the higher flight levels.
 
Do you not see how they are very different?
Why are two out in the open and one is not?
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« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2011, 09:09:00 AM »

Just to update, nobody is currently banned from Contrail Science. Phasma was never banned, I just deleted some duplicates of her posts that were in multiple threads. Informed debate is always welcome.

http://contrailscience.com
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« Reply #23 on: August 11, 2011, 02:01:00 PM »

Just to update, nobody is currently banned from Contrail Science. Phasma was never banned, I just deleted some duplicates of her posts that were in multiple threads. Informed debate is always welcome.

http://contrailscience.com

So...did I read that wrong?  She is not allowed to say the same thing in a different thread?  I do that all the time.  The mods here do not delete my posts just because I already said the same thing somewhere else.
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« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2011, 02:18:21 PM »

Those people over on "Contrail Science"



At best they have their heads in the sand . . .

At worst, well, we all know what that looks like
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« Reply #25 on: August 19, 2011, 09:17:36 AM »

Well, y'all are more than welcome to point out any errors on the site. It's all pretty much just straight science and reason. So if you find something wrong, let me know and I'll fix it.
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« Reply #26 on: August 19, 2011, 12:44:00 PM »

Well, y'all are more than welcome to point out any errors on the site. It's all pretty much just straight science and reason. So if you find something wrong, let me know and I'll fix it.

The obvious pattern exes X in the skies should be a tipoff these are not random trails.  What pilot would take the time to put random X all over the sky and to what purpose?  Geoengineering?  There are more tornados and bad weather (draughts, flooding and ridiculous amounts of hail, not to mention barium and strontium, and aluminum at record levels in the air) than ever before recorded.  So if it is geoengineering it's NOT helping. Sky writing?  Right.  The chemtrails in the sky are about as random and innocent as seeing "Surrender Dorothy" was in the wizard of oz.  I could not visit a site that hides behind "straight science" while the facts are blatantly obvious.  Even my grandkids are able to identify a chemtrail now.  You don't need to be a rocket scientist to see what is in front of your eyes and "reason" what is not normal, unless you are in a constant state of denial or a paid shill. Because of the internet weather knowledge is for everyone now not just the meteoroligist. 
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« Reply #27 on: August 19, 2011, 12:44:59 PM »

Just to update, nobody is currently banned from Contrail Science. Phasma was never banned, I just deleted some duplicates of her posts that were in multiple threads. Informed debate is always welcome.

AGAIN, I will ask...So...did I read that wrong?  She is not allowed to say the same thing in a different thread?  I do that all the time.  The mods here do not delete my posts just because I already said the same thing somewhere else.

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Well, y'all are more than welcome to point out any errors on the site. It's all pretty much just straight science and reason. So if you find something wrong, let me know and I'll fix it.

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« Reply #28 on: August 19, 2011, 02:04:36 PM »

Actually, looking back I did NOT delete Phasma's posts, and she did not post in multiple threads, I was confusing here with another poster who did that.

Phasma posted the large post (above), on Dec 13th, and because it was large and had over five links, it was automatically flagged for moderation and so did not show up. She then posted here that she'd been banned.

The post was then moderated, it showed up, Phasma came back, and we had a quite productive and interesting discussion over the next three or so weeks, where she posted 61 times.

You can verify all this here, starting at comment #259

http://contrailscience.com/chemtrails-the-best-evidence/#comment-54520

So - Phasma was never banned. She just had one post held in moderation for a few hours. I'm sure she can verify that this is what happened.

Now, if you can find anything wrong over there, let me know.
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« Reply #29 on: August 19, 2011, 02:07:29 PM »

The obvious pattern exes X in the skies should be a tipoff these are not random trails.  What pilot would take the time to put random X all over the sky and to what purpose?  Geoengineering?  There are more tornados and bad weather (draughts, flooding and ridiculous amounts of hail, not to mention barium and strontium, and aluminum at record levels in the air) than ever before recorded.  So if it is geoengineering it's NOT helping. Sky writing?  Right.  The chemtrails in the sky are about as random and innocent as seeing "Surrender Dorothy" was in the wizard of oz.  I could not visit a site that hides behind "straight science" while the facts are blatantly obvious.  Even my grandkids are able to identify a chemtrail now.  You don't need to be a rocket scientist to see what is in front of your eyes and "reason" what is not normal, unless you are in a constant state of denial or a paid shill. Because of the internet weather knowledge is for everyone now not just the meteoroligist. 

The X's just form where two trails cross. It's pretty much impossible not the get X's.

And it's not like you only get X's. There's all kinds of random shapes. Just as you would expect with air traffic that goes in more than one direction.

I suspect that what you are teaching you grandchildren to identify are simply persistent contrails. Can you tell the difference?
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« Reply #30 on: August 19, 2011, 02:24:31 PM »

Instead of sticking to your 'persistent contrail' theory, why don't you look up the mainstream articles where aerial spraying has been openly admitted, and a means to "combat global warming"... Persistent contrails that curve, that appear over the house in the UK where I am presently staying in CHECKERBOARD patterns at twilight when another jet WAY higher in the sky is making a contrail that dissipates normally, like how I used to see planes do when I was a teenager?

2 videos for you to search for in the videos section of the site in my signature:

- Aerosol crimes
- What in the world are they spraying
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« Reply #31 on: August 19, 2011, 02:53:03 PM »

Instead of sticking to your 'persistent contrail' theory, why don't you look up the mainstream articles where aerial spraying has been openly admitted,

Nobody has admitted to actually spraying anything like chemtrails.

What has happened has people have discussed that there might be a possible need for geoengineering in the future, so they have discussed potention ways of doing it.

I'd be happy to be proven incorrect though. Can you point me to a mainstream article where aerial spraying has been openly admitted? (assuming you don't just mean crop dusting, bug spraying, or regular clouds seeding)
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« Reply #32 on: August 19, 2011, 03:40:43 PM »

Nobody has admitted to actually spraying anything like chemtrails.

What has happened has people have discussed that there might be a possible need for geoengineering in the future, so they have discussed potention ways of doing it.

I'd be happy to be proven incorrect though. Can you point me to a mainstream article where aerial spraying has been openly admitted? (assuming you don't just mean crop dusting, bug spraying, or regular clouds seeding)

Exactly what I suspected.  You are worse than in denial...you are an apparent paid shill.  You didn't mention the videos or whether you watched them or not.  You haven't mentioned the testing on the air and the chemicals and levels they have found in the air.  You don't mention the checkerboard pattern.  You haven't researched the documents that are on-line and no longer classified where it is admitted they are geoengineering to combat the made-up (my words) global warming.  Your argument is so lame and unbelieveable in fact that I hope they aren't paying you too much, cause you aren't worth it.  And if you really aren't a paid shill and truly this dense how could anyone take you seriously?  You haven't done your homework at all.  What is really sad is that others have done the actual footwork gathering the "factual" material (which is completely time consuming) all you had to do was read it.  But it's probably too long to hold your attention.

edit:  Ever hear of Dutch Sinse?  Yeah chemtrails haarp and all the other crap that he is educating people on have been so debunked (NOT) that he has threats to his life and his friends and families lives, including an actual attack on his best friend.  For something that is "not real" they sure are going to lengths to shut him up. Wake up or get off the payroll whichever it is. 
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« Reply #33 on: August 19, 2011, 03:44:02 PM »

Actually, looking back I did NOT delete Phasma's posts, and she did not post in multiple threads, I was confusing here with another poster who did that.

Phasma posted the large post (above), on Dec 13th, and because it was large and had over five links, it was automatically flagged for moderation and so did not show up. She then posted here that she'd been banned.

The post was then moderated, it showed up, Phasma came back, and we had a quite productive and interesting discussion over the next three or so weeks, where she posted 61 times.

You can verify all this here, starting at comment #259

http://contrailscience.com/chemtrails-the-best-evidence/#comment-54520

So - Phasma was never banned. She just had one post held in moderation for a few hours. I'm sure she can verify that this is what happened.

Now, if you can find anything wrong over there, let me know.

Thank you.  That is all I was asking.
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« Reply #34 on: August 19, 2011, 03:47:02 PM »

Nice shot attietewd . +100
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« Reply #35 on: August 19, 2011, 05:12:14 PM »

Nobody has admitted to actually spraying anything like chemtrails.

What has happened has people have discussed that there might be a possible need for geoengineering in the future, so they have discussed potention ways of doing it.

I'd be happy to be proven incorrect though. Can you point me to a mainstream article where aerial spraying has been openly admitted? (assuming you don't just mean crop dusting, bug spraying, or regular clouds seeding)

Aerial spraying experiments have been taking place since 1940.

   
Chemtrails UK Government admits deadly spraying
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2007/011007Chemtrails.htm

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Monday October 01, 2007

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VLNNwiKvlE&feature=player_embedded

U.K. government has admitted to spraying British public with deadly toxins. Link to Guardian article
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4398507,00.html


Government ADMITS secretly SPRAYING POISON on us!!! Also admit secret tests hundreds of times!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiJ_R8JVpi4


Government Admits Chemtrails Are Real (From UK Guardian)

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=8894.0


BREAKING NEWS: UN Admits Chemtrails - Geoengineering Moratorium Agreed

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=190938.0
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« Reply #36 on: August 19, 2011, 08:35:29 PM »

Wow Route!  Well, what do you know, chemtrails ARE real.  Hey Uncinus, fancy that!
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« Reply #37 on: August 19, 2011, 10:33:21 PM »

Nobody has admitted to actually spraying anything like chemtrails.

What has happened has people have discussed that there might be a possible need for geoengineering in the future, so they have discussed potention ways of doing it.

I'd be happy to be proven incorrect though. Can you point me to a mainstream article where aerial spraying has been openly admitted? (assuming you don't just mean crop dusting, bug spraying, or regular clouds seeding)

Is it really that big of a jump from cloud seeding and weather mod to geoengineering?

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« Reply #38 on: August 20, 2011, 10:18:32 AM »

Well people get banned from here all the time without warning.

Some moderators are just @$$#oles depending on what sites you visit.

The Col-Boards are the worst.
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