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« on: December 02, 2010, 06:27:30 PM »

"We don't want any more injuries, any more dead. We suffered a hard blow and we don't want any more dead, not even one."  In a rare request for foreign assistance, Mr Netanyahu called on Greece, Italy, Cyprus and Russia to help in tackling the fire. US President Barack Obama has also offered to help.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11901750


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« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2010, 06:46:28 PM »

Israel has been suffering from drought since spring as the article notes.
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« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2010, 06:52:13 PM »

I am not so sure about this one. Yeah, it is sad that so many people are dying in a fire. I am wondering about a bit more details as to how the fire started. What kind of prison was it?
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« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2010, 06:59:13 PM »

yeah i smell bullshit too ...how many forrests are there in israel anyway? its basically an arid climate
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« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2010, 07:06:53 PM »

yeah i smell bullshit too ...how many forrests are there in israel anyway? its basically an arid climate

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The Grotto of Elijah

Elijah challenges 450 prophets of a particular Baal to a contest at the altar on Mount Carmel to determine whose deity was genuinely in control of the Kingdom of Israel;



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« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2010, 07:09:49 PM »

"We don't want any more injuries, any more dead. We suffered a hard blow and we don't want any more dead, not even one."  In a rare request for foreign assistance, Mr Netanyahu called on Greece, Italy, Cyprus and Russia to help in tackling the fire. US President Barack Obama has also offered to help.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11901750


It is almost like Netanyahu is pleading to some outside force or something. weird. I doubt he was pleading with god as he likely would have mentioned it.
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« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2010, 07:11:08 PM »

Looks like forest to me, but I can't see it for all the trees. Angry

Maybe, Netanyahu should be pleading with someone else, but then again maybe somebody doesn't have his back any more.
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« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2010, 07:21:44 PM »

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http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/gilad-atzmon-the-burning-bush.html

Gilad Atzmon: The Burning Bush
 
Thursday, December 2, 2010 at 11:00PM Gilad Atzmon
 

As I am writing these lines, Israeli Fire fighting crews are battling with the flames. They also express no hope of controlling the fire soon. "We lost all control of the fire," said the Haifa Fire fighting services spokesman. "There aren't enough fire fighting resources in Israel in order to put out the fire."

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu hurried to the scene of the fire on Thursday. He requested the help of the U.S, Greece, Italy, Russia, and Cyprus to send additional forces to aid the Israeli firemen. A normal country would probably ask for the help of its neighbours, but the Jewish state doesn’t have neighbours. It made all its neighbours into enemies.



But the story here goes far deeper.  The fire in northern Israel is far from being a coincidence. Israel’s rural landscape is saturated with pine trees. These trees are totally new to the region. They were not there until the 1930’s. The pine trees were introduced to  the Palestinians landscape in the early 1930s  by the Jewish National Fund (JNF) in an attempt to  ‘reclaim the land’ . By 1935, JNF had planted 1.7 million trees over a total area of 1,750 acres. Over fifty years, the JNF planted over 260 million trees largely on confiscated Palestinian land. It did it all in a desperate attempt to hide the ruins of the ethnically cleansed Palestinian villages and their history.

Along the years the JNF performed a crude attempt to eliminate Palestinian civilisation and their past but it also tried to make Palestine look like Europe. The Palestinian natural forest was eradicated. Similarly the olive trees were uprooted. The pine trees took their place. On the southern part of mount Carmel the Israelis named an area as ‘Little Switzerland’. I have learned tonight that Little Switzerland is burned.

However, the facts on the ground were pretty devastating for the JNF. The pine tree didn’t adapt to the Israeli climate as much as the Israelis failed to adapt to the  Middle East. According to JNF statistics, six out of every 10 saplings planted did not survive. Those few trees that did survive formed nothing but a firetrap. By the end of each Israeli summer each of the Israeli pine forests become a potential deadly zone.

In spite of its nuclear power, its criminal army, the occupation, the Mossad and its lobbies all over the world, Israel seems to be very vulnerable. It is devastatingly alienated  from the land it claims to own. Like the pine tree, Israel and the Israeli are foreign to the region.

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Bye bye, "little Switzerland".  Hey, isn't that the country that hung to all those gold teeth from the Nazis?

Hey here's an idea:  plant some olive trees and give them back to the people whose land you have been stealing.  Oh, and stop burning their olive trees now.

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« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2010, 07:25:40 PM »





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« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2010, 07:34:44 PM »

Groves are ussually associated with BAAL...
http://theirmanygods.blogspot.com/2008/12/in-our-day-high-places-groves-and-altar.html

http://www.bible-topics.com/Groves.html
Deuteronomy 16:21 Thou shalt not plant thee a grove of any trees near unto the altar of the LORD thy God, which thou shalt make thee.

Deuteronomy 12:3 And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place.
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« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2010, 07:38:16 PM »

Yes I was listening to william cooper last night and he mentioned their love for groves.  Interesting .
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« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2010, 07:41:32 PM »

Israel has been suffering from drought since spring as the article notes.

what is the temperature over there?

Is it abnormally hot?
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« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2010, 07:42:10 PM »

Mount Carmel

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Mount Carmel
Mount Carmel
Hebrew: הר הכרמל‎‎ Karem El/Har Ha'Karmel

Arabic: الكرمل/جبل مار إلياس‎ Kurmul/Jabal Mar Elyas
 
Mountain Range

Mount Carmel at sunset, as seen from the entrance of Kibbutz Ma'agan Michael
Name origin: Literally, in Hebrew: God's vineyard and Mount St Elijah in Arabic
 
Country Israel
District Haifa
 
Highest point  
 - elevation 525.4 m (1,724 ft)
 
Length 39 km (24 mi)
Width 8 km (5 mi)
 
Geology Limestone and flint
Plant Oak, pine, olive tree, and laurel
 
 
A view of Mount Carmel in 1894
University of Haifa atop Mount Carmel in 1996Mount Carmel (Hebrew: הַר הַכַּרְמֶל‎‎, Har HaKarmel (lit. God's vineyard); Greek: Κάρμηλος, Kármēlos; Arabic: الكرمل‎, Kurmul) is a coastal mountain range in northern Israel stretching from the Mediterranean Sea towards the southeast. Archaeologists have discovered ancient wine and oil presses at various locations on Mt. Carmel.[1][2] The range is a UNESCO biosphere reserve and a number of towns are located there, most notably the city of Haifa, Israel's third largest city, located on the northern slope.

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1 Geography and geology
2 Paleolithic history
3 As a strategic location
4 As a sacred location
4.1 Elijah
4.2 Carmelites
4.3 Bahá'í Faith
4.4 Ahmadiyya Muslim Community
5 References
6 External links
 

[edit] Geography and geology
The phrase Mount Carmel has been used in three distinct ways:[1]

To refer to the 39 km-long (24-mile long) mountain range, stretching as far in the southeast as Jenin.
To refer to the northwestern 19 km (12 miles) of the mountain range.
To refer to the headland at the northwestern end of the range.
The Carmel range is approximately 6.5 to 8 km (4 to 5 miles) wide, sloping gradually towards the southwest, but forming a steep ridge on the northeastern face, 546 m (1,810 ft) high. It is named Rom Carmel.[2] The Jezreel Valley lies to the immediate northeast. The range forms a natural barrier in the landscape, just as the Jezreel Valley forms a natural passageway, and consequently the mountain range and the valley has had a large impact on migration and invasions through the Levant over time.[1] The mountain formation is an admixture of limestone and flint, containing many caves, and covered in several volcanic rocks.[1][2] The sloped side of the mountain is covered with luxuriant vegetation, including oak, pine, olive, and laurel trees.[2]

Several modern towns are located on the range, including Yokneam on the eastern ridge, Zikhron Ya'aqov on the southern slope, the Druze town of Carmel City on the more central part of the ridge, and the towns of Nesher, Tirat Hakarmel, and the city of Haifa, on the far northwestern promontory and its base. There is also a small kibbutz called Beit Oren, which is located on one of the highest points in the range to the southeast of Haifa.

[edit] Paleolithic history
Between 1930 to 1932, Dorothy Garrod excavated four caves, and a number of rock shelters, in the Carmel mountain range at el-Wad, el-Tabun, and Es Skhul.[3] Garrod discovered Neanderthal and early modern human remains, including the skeleton of a Neanderthal female, named Tabun I, which is regarded as one of the most important human fossils ever found.[4] The excavation at el-Tabun produced the longest stratigraphic record in the region, spanning 600,000 or more years of human activity,[5] from the Lower Paleolithic to the present day, representing roughly a million years of human evolution.[6] There are also several well-preserved burials of Neanderthals and Homo Sapiens Sapiens) and passage from nomadic hunter-gatherer groups to complex, sedentary agricultural societies is extensively documented at the site. Taken together, these emphasize the paramount significance of the Mount Carmel caves for the study of human cultural and biological evolution within the framework of palaeo-ecological changes."[7]

[edit] As a strategic location
Due to the lush vegetation on the sloped hillside, and many caves on the steeper side, Carmel became the haunt of criminals;[1] Carmel was seen as a place offering an escape from Yahweh, as implied by the Book of Amos.[1][8] According to the Books of Kings, Elisha travelled to Carmel straight after cursing a group of young men because they had mocked him and the ascension of Elijah by jeering, "Go on up, bald man!" After this, bears came out of the forest and killed 42 of them[9] (The noun na'ar always refers to males but can include different ages.) This does not necessarily imply that Elisha had sought asylum there from any potential backlash,[1] although the description in the Book of Amos, of the location being a refuge, is dated by textual scholars to be earlier than the accounts of Elisha in the Book of Kings,[10][11] and according to Strabo it had continued to be a place of refuge until at least the first century.
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According to Epiphanius,[13] and Josephus,[14] Mount Carmel had been the stronghold of the Essenes that came from a place in Galilee named Nazareth; though this Essene group are sometimes consequently referred to as Nazareans, they are not to be confused with the "Nazarene" sect, which followed the teachings of Jesus, but associated with the Pharisees. Members of the modern American groups claiming to be Essenes, but viewed by scholars as having no ties to the historical group,[15] treat Mount Carmel as having great religious significance on account of the protection it afforded to the historic Essene group.

During World War I, Mount Carmel played a significant strategic role. The (20th century) Battle of Megiddo took place at the head of a pass through the Carmel Ridge, which overlooks the Valley of Jezreel from the south. General Allenby led the British in the battle, which was the turning point in the war against the Ottoman Empire. The Jezreel Valley had played host to many battles before, including the very historically significant Battle of Megiddo between the Egyptians and Canaanites, but it was only in the 20th century battle that the Carmel Ridge itself played a significant part, due to the developments in munitions.

[edit] As a sacred location
In ancient Canaanite culture, high places were frequently considered to be sacred, and Mount Carmel appears to have been no exception; Thutmose III lists a holy headland among his Canaanite territories, and if this equates to Carmel, as Egyptologists such as Maspero believe, then it would indicate that the mountain headland was considered sacred from at least the 15th century BC.[1] According to the Books of Kings, there was an altar to God on the mountain, which had fallen into ruin by the time of Ahab, but was rebuilt by Elijah.[16] Iamblichus describes Pythagoras visiting the mountain on account of its reputation for sacredness, stating that it was the most holy of all mountains, and access was forbidden to many, while Tacitus states that there was an oracle situated there, which Vespasian visited for a consultation;[2] Tacitus states that there was an altar there,[1] but without any image upon it,[1][2] and without a temple around it.[
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[edit] Elijah
 
The Grotto of ElijahIn mainstream Jewish, Christian, and Islamic[1] thought, it is Elijah that is indelibly associated with the mountain, and he is regarded as having sometimes resided in a grotto on the mountain. In the Books of Kings, Elijah challenges 450 prophets of a particular Baal to a contest at the altar on Mount Carmel to determine whose deity was genuinely in control of the Kingdom of Israel; since the narrative is set during the rule of Ahab and his association with the Phoenicians, biblical scholars suspect that the Baal in question was probably Melqart.[17]

According to the Bible in 1 Kings 18, the challenge was to see which deity could light a sacrifice by fire. After the prophets of Baal had failed to achieve this, Elijah had water poured on his sacrifice several times to saturate the STONE altar, prostrated himself in prayer to God, fire fell from the sky, and immediately consumed the sacrifice and the water, prompting the Israelite witnesses to proclaim, "The Lord, He is God! The Lord, He is God!". In the account, clouds gather, the sky turns black, and it rains heavily, ending a long drought.

Though there is no biblical reason to assume that the account of Elijah's victory refers to any particular part of Mount Carmel,[1] Islamic tradition places it at a point known as El-Maharrakah, meaning the burning.[2] In 1958, archaeologists discovered something on the mountain range that resembled an altar, which they assumed must have been Elijah's altar.[
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[edit] Carmelites
 
A statue of Elijah in the crypt of the monastery on Mount Carmel. According to Carmelite tradition, the crypt was originally the Cave of ElijahA Catholic religious order was founded on Mount Carmel in the 12th century, named the Carmelites, in reference to the mountain range; the founder was a certain Berthold (who died at an unknown point after 1185), who was either a pilgrim or crusader. The order was founded at the site that it claimed had once been the location of Elijah's cave, 1,700 feet (520 m) above sea level at the northwestern end of the mountain range;[1] this, perhaps not coincidentally, is also the highest natural point of the entire mountain range. Though there is no documentary evidence to support it, Carmelite tradition suggests that a community of Jewish hermits had lived at the site from the time of Elijah until the Carmelites were founded there; prefixed to the Carmelite Constitution of 1281 was the claim that from the time when Elijah and Elisha had dwelt devoutly on Mount Carmel, priests and prophets, Jewish and Christian, had lived praiseworthy lives in holy penitence adjacent to the site of the fountain of Elisha, in an uninterrupted succession.

A Carmelite monastery was founded at the site shortly after the order itself was created, and was dedicated to Mary, in her aspect of Star of the Sea (stella maris in Latin) - a common medieval presentation of Mary;[1] although Louis IX (of France) is commonly referred to as the founder, he was not, and had merely visited it in 1252.[2] The Carmelite order grew to be one of the major Catholic religious orders worldwide, although the monastery at Carmel had a less successful history. During the Crusades the monastery often changed hands, frequently finding itself to have become a mosque;[2] under Islamic control, the location came to be known as El-Maharrakah, meaning place of burning, in reference to the account of Elijah's challenge to the priests of Hadad.[2] In 1799 the building was finally converted into a hospital, by Napoleon, but in 1821 the surviving structure was destroyed by the pasha of Damascus.[2] A new monastery was later constructed directly over a nearby cave, after funds were collected by the Carmelite order for restoration of the monastery;[2] the cave, which now forms the crypt of the monastic church, is termed Elijah's grotto by the monks.[2]

One of the oldest scapulars is associated with Mount Carmel, and the Carmelites. According to Carmelite legend, the Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel was first given to Simon Stock, an English Carmelite, by Mary, the mother of Jesus. The Carmelites sometimes refer to Mary as Our Lady of Mount Carmel, in honour of the legend, and celebrate a feast day dedicated to her in this guise, on the 16 July.

[edit] Bahá'í Faith
 
The Shrine of the Báb and its Terraces on Mount Carmel, 2004Mount Carmel is considered a sacred place for Bahá'ís around the world, and is the location of the Bahá'í World Centre and the Shrine of the Báb. The location of the Bahá'í holy places has its roots to the imprisonment of the religion's founder, Bahá'u'lláh, near Haifa by the Ottoman Empire during the Ottoman Empire's rule over Palestine.

The Shrine of the Báb is a structure where the remains of the Báb, the founder of Bábism and forerunner of Bahá'u'lláh in the Bahá'í Faith, have been laid to rest. The shrine's precise location on Mount Carmel was designated by Bahá'u'lláh himself and the Báb's remains were laid to rest on March 21, 1909 in a six-room mausoleum made of local stone. The construction of the shrine with a golden dome was completed over the mausoleum in 1953,[18] and a series of decorative terraces around the shrine were completed in 2001. The white marbles used were from the same ancient source that most Athenian masterpieces were using, the Penteliko Mountain.

Bahá'u'lláh, the founder of the Bahá'í Faith, writing in the Tablet of Carmel, designated the area around the shrine as the location for the administrative headquarters of the religion; the Bahá'í administrative buildings were constructed adjacent to the decorative terraces, and are referred to as the Arc, on account of their physical arrangement.

[edit] Ahmadiyya Muslim Community
The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community has its largest Israeli mosque on Mount Carmel known as the Mahmood Mosque.


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« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2010, 07:44:19 PM »

I have worked there and it is a very big forest, most the people are not jewish, very sad.
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« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2010, 08:00:02 PM »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1335071/Isreal-Carmel-Forest-kills-40-people-board-prison-bus-near-Haifa.html
Massive forest fire in Israel kills 40 people on board prison bus

A massive forest fire in northern Israel has killed at least 40 people and left many others injured. Israeli media said most of those killed had been on board a bus that was trying to evacuate people from the blaze in the Carmel Forest, near the city of Haifa. Reports said the bus had been carrying inmates from a nearby prison where Palestinian detainees are kept.

Prison guards or a rescue team may also have been in the vehicle. Micky Rosenfeld, a spokesman for Israeli police, said: 'A bus was caught in the area where the fire was taking place and a number of people were killed.' Israel Radio said the bus went up in flames, while Channel 2 television said it may have overturned on the hilly terrain as it tried to flee the fire.

Dozens more people were injured in the blaze and police ordered hundreds of residents out of their homes as helicopters joined fire trucks in trying to douse the flames. Firefighters said homes as well as trees and underbrush had all gone up in flames.

It was not immediately clear what started the huge fire. Israel has experienced unseasonably hot weather for months and endured its driest November in 60 years.
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« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2010, 08:26:43 AM »

Well looks like they are getting exactly what they had coming to them. Attempt to destroy another people`s culture by covering it with unnatural plant life and this is what you get. It is very hard for me to feel sorry for them at all.
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« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2010, 08:59:52 AM »

 40 prison guards dead, waht, no prisoners or they are not worth mentioning?HuhHuh?. HuhHuh??
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« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2010, 10:09:56 AM »

Most likely a lot of prisoners which begs the question; what kind of prisoners?
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« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2010, 06:56:27 PM »

Most likely a lot of prisoners which begs the question; what kind of prisoners?

http://firegeezer.com/2010/12/02/encroaching-wildfire-forces-prison-evacuation/
ISRAELI FIREFIGHTERS ARE BATTLING a raging wildfire today (Thursday) that was first discovered around 11 am this morning.  The wind-whipped blaze in the Carmel Forest has blown up to several square miles already and is directly threatening a town and a high-security prison
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A bus carrying 40 prison guards to Damon Prison to assist in the prisoner evacuation was caught in the fast-moving fire and everyone on board was killed when it overran the bus
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More than 10,000 people have been evacuated from their homes.  More people have just now been evacuated from one of Haifa’s neighborhoods as the fire shows potential of being capable of moving into the city.

http://www.politicsforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=42&p=13566485

The fact that the Damon prison has a reputation as one of the worst detention places in the ME should not prohibit the sympathy with the victims or thier families. Yet, the condemnation of Damon prison guards conduct or its the detension conditions should not be softened or diminished.

The Damon prison is employed for the detension of the Palestinian females who are subjected to various inhuman & brutal conduct by the jail authorities & gaurds. The conditions may be traced from the following post:-

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Article/067799-2010-04-22-imprisoning-palestinian-women.htm

Female Palestinian Prisoners:
Israeli Damon Prison Should Be Shut Down Due to its Tragic Conditions

The Palestinian female prisoners in Israel’s Damon prison are appealing to the Red Cross to make an immediate visit to the prison to see the tragic conditions, and to pressure the Israeli prisons authority (IPA) to close down the “absolutely worst prison”.
The inmates informed Palestine Prison Society’s (PPS) lawyer that the prison authority traps them in small cells infested with mice and insects, noting they suffer extreme heat in the summer and cold in the winter.

On top of intolerable living conditions, prisoners are prohibited crafts, books, and magazines, and the IPA refuses to let doctors in to treat them.

Prisoner Amna Muna, who suffers from slipped disc as well as breathing difficulties, is in critical need of an operation. The prison department has rejected her requests for medical attention after submitting claims that she is susceptible to partial paralysis if one of her spinal discs slips further.
Du’a al-Jayyousi suffers from a sprain in her spinal column and severe pain in her joints, and is in dire need of a dentist. The IPA refuses to provide her medical services.
Abeer Amr is suffering back pains, rashes, and weight loss, complained of the “deliberate medical neglect” by the IPA.
Wurood Qasem complains of a crippling case of tonsillitis, explaining that her tonsils need to be removed immediately.
Samoud Karajeh is experiencing severe dental complications, and only a specialist can treat her.
The PPS reported that Souad Nezal has a broken jaw and infection of the gums, but the IPA puts off treating her or even bringing her a doctor.

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« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2010, 06:59:31 PM »

http://www.virtualjerusalem.com/news.php?Itemid=1751
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Arson likely
Channel 2 reporter Yossi Mizrachi said that the way in which the fire spread indicated that the blaze erupted from three locations simultaneously -- making arson a likely possibility.

The fire broke out around 10:00 AM this morning in an illegal garbage dump in the Carmel Mountains.

Ongoing rescue and fire-fighting efforts are said to be nearly impossible given the physical conditions of the mountains, smoke, dry conditions and winds.

The trapped bus is said to have departed from the Damon Prison, apparently as part of the attempt to evacuate the prison in the face of the fast-spreading fire.

The Damon jail mostly holds Arabs who were caught illegally entering Israel from the Palestinian Authority. According to IDF Radio, however, the bus was "not a prisoner bus."
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« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2010, 11:32:07 AM »

Well at least the people locked up are safe for now. The arson position sounds interesting. It would  not surprise me that is for sure. Burning those trees serves a duel purpose. They can get rid of those unnatural tree while at the same time destroy more Palestine land. 
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« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2010, 11:57:38 AM »

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The trapped bus is said to have departed from the Damon Prison, apparently as part of the attempt to evacuate the prison in the face of the fast-spreading fire.

I find it interesting that they were trying to evac the guards FIRST. Al-Damon prison seems to be the deep dark hole they send Palestinian women to when they don't have their "papers". A lot of propaganda on both sides ...

As a note on stories like these I take the Tex Marrs approach that there is the symbolic and the factual basis to be covered.

http://rethinkingislam-sultanshahin.blogspot.com/2010/11/islamic-world-news-28-nov-2010.html
Female Palestinian prisoners injured by Israeli guards
By MOHAMMED MAR'I 28 Nov, 2010

RAMALLAH: The Palestinian Nadi Al-Asir (Prisoners Club) on Saturday said that a female Palestinian prisoner was seriously injured by Israeli prison guards.

The club said that the prisoner Somoud Karajeh was brutally beaten by the prison guards of Ramle in central Israel.

Shireen Iraqi, a Prisoners Club's lawyer, quoted Karajeh as saying that Israeli Prison Authority transferred her from the Al-Damon prison, in the Haifa area, to the Ramle prison. Karajeh added that she was obliged to spend a night in Ramle prison before being transferred to the military court of Ofer for trial.

Karajeh told Iraqi that she sustained serious wounds and bruises in several parts of her body after the Israeli guards brutally beaten her by clubs.

Full report at: http://arabnews.com/middleeast/article201683.ece


The prisoner said that the attack came after she refused to go through naked body search. Karajeh added that she was also placed in solitary confinement as "punishment."
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« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2010, 09:54:50 PM »

And they are worried about saving the guards? Sounds like the guards are animals.
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« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2010, 10:10:33 PM »

And they are worried about saving the guards? Sounds like the guards are animals. 

I wouldn't believe much of this (about treatment)  , but I recently saw (linktv?) documentary of israeli women on call in the military, there were some really disgusting bits, and mistreatment of non-israelis that reminded my of the nazi ss, so in many respects they have become what they have fought.
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« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2010, 10:22:02 PM »

I have thought that for years. They really have become what they fought against and what they suffered though.
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