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« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2010, 02:41:38 AM »
We couldn't really expect Google to do nothing after we've been f**king with their trends for so long.

I still think its counterproductive to keep it up because the Google search terms got Infowars/PP removed from their news aggregator, which people actually use, because we kept gaming Google trends, which no one really uses anyway.

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« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2010, 03:07:06 AM »
We couldn't really expect Google to do nothing after we've been f**king with their trends for so long.

I still think its counterproductive to keep it up because the Google search terms got Infowars/PP removed from their news aggregator, which people actually use, because we kept gaming Google trends, which no one really uses anyway.

Wow, you really don't get it, do you?

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Re: GOOGLE EVIL SEARCH TERM RESULTS - "UNUSUAL TRAFFIC"
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2010, 03:17:47 AM »
Google clearly needs a new "app" that detects keywords that link to PrisonPlanet InfoWars articles, and show results for Viagra instead.

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« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2010, 06:59:50 AM »
We couldn't really expect Google to do nothing after we've been f**king with their trends for so long.

I still think its counterproductive to keep it up because the Google search terms got Infowars/PP removed from their news aggregator, which people actually use, because we kept gaming Google trends, which no one really uses anyway.

Yes, in the face of blatant tyranny, we must curl up in the fetal position and suck our thumbs it is the NEW-AMERICAN way of life...






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« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2010, 07:14:28 AM »
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I'm not putting up with it.

With the CIA running Google with the offshore banks trying to take the web over and to slowly shut down free speech and strangle it quietly in the dark.

If you are going to try and strangle free speech and discriminate against people and censor people, we are going to do it in the middle of a sports stadium with millions of people watching. Everyone is going to see who you are and what you are. We need to try to block google gobbling up all these companies trying to create a combine, a quasi monopoly. Google, there is a lot of ways we are going to come after you. Do you understand that?

BACK OFF ON THE FIRST AMENDMENT OR WE ARE GOING TO SHOW YOU THE REAL POWER OF THE INFO WARRIORS!

I haven't swung the info guns on you yet.

DO YOU WANT TO FEEL THE POWER OF THE SLEEPING GIANT THAT IS FREE HUMANITY!

YOU THINK YOU ARE UNSTOPPABLE, THE POWER OF PEOPLE IS UNLIMITED!

GOOGLE BLACKLIST PRISONPLANET.COM

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They will probably blacklist it even from searchability...

FINE!

LET'S GET IT ON RIGHT NOW!

LET'S GET IT ON RIGHT NOW!

YOU SIT THERE AND YOU SHOW US YOU ARE TYRANTS...

SHOW US YOU DISCRIMINATE AGAINST PEOPLE THAT WANT LIBERTY AND FREEDOM...

I AM ON THE SIDE OF RIGHT, I AM FOR FREE SPEECH, YOU ARE NOT!

GOOGLE "BLACKLIST PRISONPLANET.COM"

GOOGLE "INFOWARS.COM"

GOOGLE "PRISONPLANET.COM"

Put it in the search tool, hit yahoo, hit them all, hit them hard...

They want to take the web over like a bunch of big fat greedy authoritarian bunch of hogs with their CIA cover name "DON'T BE EVIL"?

GOOGLE IS EVIL!

IN FACT THAT IS ANOTHER SEARCH TERM, FIRE ANOTHER TORPEDO!

WE ARE GOING TO SEARCH "BLACKLIST PRISONPLANET.COM"

WE ARE GOING TO SEARCH "INFOWARS.COM"

WE ARE GOING TO SEARCH "PRISONPLANET.COM"

AND WE ARE GOING TO SEARCH "GOOGLE IS EVIL"

"GOOGLE IS EVIL"

"GOOGLE IS EVIL"

You think the devil comes to you and says "I am evil." The devil comes to you and says "I am the angel of life, I am the good guy."  He disguises himself as an angel of life. Before they write news articles and say that I am saying google is the anti-christ, I am saying that literary, I am saying that in a figurative way. Google is evil, google is evil.

LET'S SEE HOW YOU LIKE THAT!

HOW ABOUT WE SEARCH THAT EVERY DAY AND DIFFERENT VARIANTS OF THAT!

THE NAME OBAMA IS ALREADY ASSOCIATED WITH DECEPTION IN THE TOP SEARCHES!


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« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2010, 01:40:11 PM »
Yes, in the face of blatant tyranny, we must curl up in the fetal position and suck our thumbs it is the NEW-AMERICAN way of life...

I think it's clear that is not what I'm advocating.  What I'm advocating is the most efficient use of our resources.  I don't think getting keywords onto Google trends is a very efficient use of them, and I don't think it helps us reach our objective... which is gaining exposure and bringing our information to new people.  While it feels good to go check Google trends and see our search term on there and be part of that, I don't think it serves any purpose other than maybe boosting morale.  It's great to be part of something and see it's effect on Google's website and all, but I think we're far more likely to reach new minds by having Infowars/Prisonplanet articles in their news aggregator, than to have a few keywords show up on Google trends, a page that few people even know exists.

For example, your typical fluoridated American is gonna go to Google, type in a search term of whatever is being talked about on the idiot box, and they're going to see a bunch of results.  On the top of that page is results from Google's news, and hopefully a Infowars/PP article is in there.  We've sacrificed that exposure to get exposure on a page that few people check, which I don't think is a very good tradeoff.

In the ideal world we could have exposure on both Google News & Google Trends, but that doesn't seem to be the case.  If we need to make a choice between the two, we should choose the one that best helps us reach our goals.

That's all I'm advocating.

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« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2010, 05:10:11 PM »
I think it's clear that is not what I'm advocating.  What I'm advocating is the most efficient use of our resources.  I don't think getting keywords onto Google trends is a very efficient use of them, and I don't think it helps us reach our objective... which is gaining exposure and bringing our information to new people.  While it feels good to go check Google trends and see our search term on there and be part of that, I don't think it serves any purpose other than maybe boosting morale.  It's great to be part of something and see it's effect on Google's website and all, but I think we're far more likely to reach new minds by having Infowars/Prisonplanet articles in their news aggregator, than to have a few keywords show up on Google trends, a page that few people even know exists.

For example, your typical fluoridated American is gonna go to Google, type in a search term of whatever is being talked about on the idiot box, and they're going to see a bunch of results.  On the top of that page is results from Google's news, and hopefully a Infowars/PP article is in there.  We've sacrificed that exposure to get exposure on a page that few people check, which I don't think is a very good tradeoff.

In the ideal world we could have exposure on both Google News & Google Trends, but that doesn't seem to be the case.  If we need to make a choice between the two, we should choose the one that best helps us reach our goals.

That's all I'm advocating.

You totally don't get how it works, do you?  Online sources pick up stories from Google Trends and then disseminate them across the web.  Isn't that EXACTLY what you say you want to happen?

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« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2010, 06:33:08 PM »
What sources may that be?  We're not going to see our material end up in the New York Times because it happened to be on Google Trends.

The only sources that are going to publish whatever pops up in Google trends are a bunch of blogspot sites and we already have those covered just fine.

But our main audience that we should be trying to target are the people who wouldn't normally come to a Infowars/conspiracy style site.  If you look at the Alexa traffic stats going back to 2009, you see that our readership hasn't climbed any faster since the start of the search terms.  It has increased over time, but it's increased at the same rate since before we started Googling.  So other than giving high-fives and patting each other on the back here on the forum, I'm not convinced that it's had a real tangible effect. 

If you look at the data, we've actually had more growth in 2009, without the search terms, than we've had in 2010, with them.

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« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2010, 11:37:48 PM »
What sources may that be?  We're not going to see our material end up in the New York Times because it happened to be on Google Trends.

The only sources that are going to publish whatever pops up in Google trends are a bunch of blogspot sites and we already have those covered just fine.

But our main audience that we should be trying to target are the people who wouldn't normally come to a Infowars/conspiracy style site.  If you look at the Alexa traffic stats going back to 2009, you see that our readership hasn't climbed any faster since the start of the search terms.  It has increased over time, but it's increased at the same rate since before we started Googling.  So other than giving high-fives and patting each other on the back here on the forum, I'm not convinced that it's had a real tangible effect. 

If you look at the data, we've actually had more growth in 2009, without the search terms, than we've had in 2010, with them.

there is more than alexa, there are increase in syndication, the narrative on the MSM (which has been cowering to truth as they have no choice), the conversations at the water cooler, etc. Since the googly googly started those effects are exponential. But you do not have to support it and you really may never be "convinced", this is hardly material to the tangible effects mentioned when a deeper analysis is conducted.
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« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2010, 01:06:50 AM »
I don't see why people have to get so touchy and go on the attack about this.  I'm just trying to logically discuss the most efficient ways to spread the message, and my views are refuted not with logic & reason but instead putting one of my words in "quotes" like it somehow discredits everything, telling me that I "don't get it" and saying I advocate curling up in the fetal position and sucking my thumb like a baby.  Am I the only one who sees how absurd this is?

I'm not going to resort to that and I'm disappointed that it seems to be an accepted way of discourse.  We're all on the same side... our disagreement merely revolves around what the best way to promote our side is.

Can you show any data that supports how gaming Google Trends has helped the MSM narrative, syndication, water cooler discussions, etc?

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« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2010, 02:04:06 AM »
I don't see why people have to get so touchy and go on the attack about this.  I'm just trying to logically discuss the most efficient ways to spread the message, and my views are refuted not with logic & reason but instead putting one of my words in "quotes" like it somehow discredits everything, telling me that I "don't get it" and saying I advocate curling up in the fetal position and sucking my thumb like a baby.  Am I the only one who sees how absurd this is? I'm not going to resort to that and I'm disappointed that it seems to be an accepted way of discourse.  We're all on the same side... our disagreement merely revolves around what the best way to promote our side is.

I can understand that you find this communication "absurd" and that you are "disappointed".

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Can you show any data that supports how gaming Google Trends has helped the MSM narrative, syndication, water cooler discussions, etc?

Well, turn on the TV and see what they are talking about. Syndication is based on what AJ has said, you may find abother way to research that if you think it is worthwhile to prove your point. Hang out at a water cooler and bring up something about the NWO, DHS, TSA, Fed Res, etc. A year ago the response was likely different. Also, since the google trends, Drudge Report (10 Billion page views a year) has linked over 10x as many stories to AJ's sites.

I guess what I find odd is that you are recommending that millions of listeners to the show cease and desist this non-violent form of activism that AJ and his staff have devoted time, energy, planing, and resources to and which has affected much of the awareness in the independent media which is spilling into the MSM and daily conversations. I find it doubly odd that your only justification for turning around this tanker liner is a two dimensional graph on alexa.
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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2010, 03:22:55 AM »
Dig I don't know what your problem is.  All of my posts have been respectful, even with all the ridicule & rudeness I've gotten in return.  I'm making my argument with facts & reason, and you're resorting to tactics like putting words in my mouth and effectively accusing me of being a shill.  Why?  Because we disagree onthe most efficient way of spreading our message.

Please, let's keep it civil... we both want the same thing but just differ a little on how to get there.

You're right about the MSM starting to talk about topics that Alex has been talking about for years, but we have no evidence that says this is a consequence of the Google search terms.  Alex has a radio show which attracts millions of listeners, releases several documentaries a year that get millions of views each, operates several websites, etc.  Outside of the Alex Jones tent, there's also a ton of patriot meetup groups, websites, YouTube channels, etc. that are talking about many of the same things we talk about here, and they too are helping get the word out.

But I see you chose your language ("cease and desist", "non-violent form of activism") to try to paint me as some kinda Google or government shill trying to put an end to all this... but when you strip away all the loaded language meant to illicit an emotional response, you're basically avoiding citing any sources to help your side. 

I understand and will admit that I may be wrong.  It's important to be humble and be willing to change your beliefs when you're exposed to new facts.  That's why I wanted to see how you ended up at your conclusions... to see if I might change my mind too if I had the same information you had.  But instead of getting sources & data, I get insults, rudeness, and general disrespect.

The way I reached the conclusion that the search terms are not being effective is the lack of evidence showing that they are effective.  I tried looking for evidence showing that it is effective but found nothing ofthe sort.  Now if it's just being ineffective and that's it, I got no problem with people throwing search terms into Google to get us on Google Trends.  It can only help, right?  But now, not only is it being ineffective, it's being counterproductive in the sense that Infowars and PP content are being removed from Google News as a penalty.  Again, for something that doesn't seem to be helping us to begin with.

But hey, I might be wrong.  Maybe the Google search terms are being effective and I just haven't seen the data supporting it yet.  That's why I'm asking you, where is the supporting evidence of them being effective? 

If they're being effective, then great, let's not only keep it up but step it up a notch.  But if it's not, there's no reason to "stay the course" when we are receiving penalties that are hurting our ability to get the word out. 

If it's not working I think we need to change strategy, not give up.  We have no reason to give up, we are winning.

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« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2010, 08:59:27 AM »
Dig I don't know what your problem is.  All of my posts have been respectful, even with all the ridicule & rudeness I've gotten in return.  I'm making my argument with facts & reason, and you're resorting to tactics like putting words in my mouth and effectively accusing me of being a shill.  Why?  Because we disagree onthe most efficient way of spreading our message.

Please, let's keep it civil... we both want the same thing but just differ a little on how to get there.

dude, wtf, don't get your panties in a twist, i meant nothing personal and am trying to just point out the logical errors. this has nothing to do with you just the arguments.

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You're right about the MSM starting to talk about topics that Alex has been talking about for years, but we have no evidence that says this is a consequence of the Google search terms.

And we have less evidence that their would be more progress if the search terms actions were not initiated.

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Alex has a radio show which attracts millions of listeners, releases several documentaries a year that get millions of views each, operates several websites, etc.  Outside of the Alex Jones tent, there's also a ton of patriot meetup groups, websites, YouTube channels, etc. that are talking about many of the same things we talk about here, and they too are helping get the word out.

Yes, but their has been a spike in the daily narratives on the MSM and the water cooler. That has been noticable by me and others. I do not have comprehensive data on it, but I think to say that something should change when much is going in the right direction should require some data backing up the argument for change.

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But I see you chose your language ("cease and desist", "non-violent form of activism") to try to paint me as some kinda Google or government shill trying to put an end to all this...

I see you reading waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much in my offhanded, half thought out, sensationalistic, satirical, and poorly communicated posts.

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but when you strip away all the loaded language meant to illicit an emotional response, you're basically avoiding citing any sources to help your side.  

There is no "side". The google searches have impacted our daily conversations in the opinions of the show and I also see it in my daily life. You are proposing to stop them yet offer no evidence other than a line graph on Alexa. I am saying that your proposal lacks depth when all indications are that this fairly simple action by millions is making an impact in helping people see what is truly important like Nazi raping of airline passengers by TSA, JPMorgan's silver fraud, fluoridation in the water, censoring Jesse's FEMA Camps episode, etc. And that is the beauty of it. It can only be accomplished by people power, it is a true will of the people action over the power of the state in controlling the daily narrative.

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I understand and will admit that I may be wrong.  It's important to be humble and be willing to change your beliefs when you're exposed to new facts.  That's why I wanted to see how you ended up at your conclusions... to see if I might change my mind too if I had the same information you had.  But instead of getting sources & data, I get insults, rudeness, and general disrespect.

tell me about it.

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The way I reached the conclusion that the search terms are not being effective is the lack of evidence showing that they are effective.  I tried looking for evidence showing that it is effective but found nothing ofthe sort.  Now if it's just being ineffective and that's it, I got no problem with people throwing search terms into Google to get us on Google Trends.  It can only help, right?  

Right

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But now, not only is it being ineffective, it's being counterproductive in the sense that Infowars and PP content are being removed from Google News as a penalty.  Again, for something that doesn't seem to be helping us to begin with.

Wait, what?

THIS INEFFECTIVE ACTION IS CAUSING GOOGLE TO RISK EXPOSING THEMSELVES AS A FORCE OF GOVERNMENT TYRANNY BECAUSE IT IS NOT WORKING?!?!?!

How the hell does that make any sense?

The only reason that Google would risk so much is because there must be an impact.

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But hey, I might be wrong.  Maybe the Google search terms are being effective and I just haven't seen the data supporting it yet.  That's why I'm asking you, where is the supporting evidence of them being effective?   If they're being effective, then great, let's not only keep it up but step it up a notch.  But if it's not, there's no reason to "stay the course" when we are receiving penalties that are hurting our ability to get the word out.   If it's not working I think we need to change strategy, not give up.  We have no reason to give up, we are winning.

That makes sense and I wish I could provide an overall assessment with facts and figures. I think just taking a step back and seeing the infowars shifting and hearing these google search terms in daily narratives may make such an elaborate study unnecessary. But, I agree that a full study with facts and figures would probably have saved both you and me a lot of energy in fruitless bickering. Sorry for disrespecting you, it has been one wild week.
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« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2010, 09:11:41 AM »
Well if google switches their tactics then we need to switch ours. Many would say(spin mostly) that we are abusing the system by getting our results up unfairly. Well I guess they are right, so lets just let Britney Spears breast implant be the news for the day it is way less scary.

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« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2010, 04:26:30 PM »
Glad we could sort things out Dig, reading over my posts, I did start to take things personally which isn't cool and I'm sorry.

I don't really have anything to disagree with in your post, except for one thing.

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Wait, what?

THIS INEFFECTIVE ACTION IS CAUSING GOOGLE TO RISK EXPOSING THEMSELVES AS A FORCE OF GOVERNMENT TYRANNY BECAUSE IT IS NOT WORKING?!?!?!

How the hell does that make any sense?

The only reason that Google would risk so much is because there must be an impact.

I don't think Google is exposing themselves as any type of tyranny right now by penalizing us for manipulating Google Trends.  To think of it from their perspective, they invest x amount resources into their highly advanced algorithm.  They start seeing some odd behavior on their end, and after a closer investigation they find out that a group of visitors are coordinating their searches to get keywords onto Google Trends which normally wouldn't be there.  So they took action against it.  Similar to how Google penalizes websites for padding their keywords (among other things) unfairly to get a decent search engine ranking.  Usually it's spammers selling sex pills and stuff that they penalize but in this case it was us.

I certainly think our content deserves to be on that list moreso than the braindead garbage on it right now, but I can also understand why they don't want their system manipulated at the same time.

But with that said, Google definitely did expose themselves as silencing political speech by going after the YouTube channel.  We did absolutely nothing wrong, the Collateral Murder video has been posted and reposted on YouTube by mainstream sources without any penalty whatsoever.  Its painfully obvious that they tried to censor us there and were selectively enforcing their policy.  That's something we should certainly throw the penalty flag over, but not about them taking steps against manipulating their search algorithm.

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Re: GOOGLE EVIL SEARCH TERM RESULTS - "UNUSUAL TRAFFIC"
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2010, 05:38:30 PM »
If the search term effort forces Google to reveal its CIA Intelligence arm then that is in itself an indicator of how effective the search term efforts are.  A few weeks ago, after a search term blitz on vaccines a news station in New York City, one that always avoided questioning the moves of governmental authority, had one of their reporters give a two minute commentary questioning its use on infants - I know two minutes is really a glorified soundbite but this is the Mainstream Press.

Since then, this station has been covering more atypical topics which includes the cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the continual presence of US forces in those countries even though the current administration publicly mentioned a troop pullout.

Can I say that this is directly linked to google searches? Nope, no science can show a direct link only a probabilistic one, but an approach to this war of information has to be multifaceted so such moves just represent one strategy.  There will be other informational tactics which can be added to increasing people's awareness along with devalued dollar, increasing prices, aggressive taxes, mainstream media's blatant evasion of important news by focusing on garbage such as Entertainment as news?!

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Re: GOOGLE EVIL SEARCH TERM RESULTS - "UNUSUAL TRAFFIC"
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2010, 10:09:32 PM »
Glad we could sort things out Dig, reading over my posts, I did start to take things personally which isn't cool and I'm sorry.

I don't really have anything to disagree with in your post, except for one thing.

I don't think Google is exposing themselves as any type of tyranny right now by penalizing us for manipulating Google Trends.  To think of it from their perspective, they invest x amount resources into their highly advanced algorithm.  They start seeing some odd behavior on their end, and after a closer investigation they find out that a group of visitors are coordinating their searches to get keywords onto Google Trends which normally wouldn't be there.  So they took action against it.  Similar to how Google penalizes websites for padding their keywords (among other things) unfairly to get a decent search engine ranking.  Usually it's spammers selling sex pills and stuff that they penalize but in this case it was us.

I certainly think our content deserves to be on that list moreso than the braindead garbage on it right now, but I can also understand why they don't want their system manipulated at the same time.

But with that said, Google definitely did expose themselves as silencing political speech by going after the YouTube channel.  We did absolutely nothing wrong, the Collateral Murder video has been posted and reposted on YouTube by mainstream sources without any penalty whatsoever.  Its painfully obvious that they tried to censor us there and were selectively enforcing their policy.  That's something we should certainly throw the penalty flag over, but not about them taking steps against manipulating their search algorithm.

I guess one of our remaining disagreements is that you feel the google trends method of activism is somehow not fair and thus causes google to re-evaluate their position. Well I have two arguments to that...

1] Alex simply says what he thinks will make a difference. And if people agree with alex' opinion on the matter they use their personal ability to fairly vote as often as the system will allow. their is hardly anything unfair about this, we are playing by the rules of the game and it demonstrates that millions are awake to real narratives rather than ones pushed to us. IMO it is a live and in your face way to show that people power still surpasses statism in this country. We know they hire tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of bloggers with $billions in unapproved funding. But, too many people are awake so I do not feel this is unfair in any way.

2] even if you do believe it is unfair, google should figure out a way to make it more fair and those rules will either show discrimination against a free people or will have similar results. the one thing they should not do is limit AJ's articles to their news search. and it hardly works anyway because thousands of other sites copy aj's articles.
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