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« on: November 08, 2010, 04:34:38 PM »

NASA Moon Hoax 1 - An Investigation Into Apollo
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NASA Moon Hoax 2 & 3 - An Investigation Into Apollo
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« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2010, 05:19:16 PM »

i have a picture of the apollo and beside of it is a cable or wire. the cable is on the ground and not floating around. wouldn't the cable float off the surface of the moon? the  picture was a card we had around in the school back in the 70's.
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« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2010, 05:46:28 PM »

some points to consider:

1. The soviets were ahead of the US in space achievements

2. Sending living creatures, especially humans, into space does not follow on technologically. Any scientist will tell you that space is explored by unmanned craft and robots, this makes doing things 10x cheaper and 10x easier. This is important, it defines manned moon missions as a psychological stunt not a technological progression. how many conspiracy debunkers have even considered it in that way

3. That explains why they never went on to build bases on planets, even though everyone expected it. Those are sci-fi ideas, not how space tech is really done.

4. Nobody else has claimed to have sent men to the moon to this date.

5. The Soviets placed retroreflectors and collected moon rocks all with robots. Albeit far less moon rock than the US claims to have, however allegedly much of the US moon rock has never been seen. Why collect so much moon rock (hundreds of kilos) for what purpose.

6. The post Apollo 11 press conference was very suspicious and the astronauts claimed they couldn't see stars on the moons surface

7. I have personally encountered at least two scientists and one astronaut claiming that we do not have the technology to return to the moon today if we wanted to. The brain dead establishment lackey journalists, one of whom was Art Bell, never follower up with the obvious question, which technology did we have in the 1970s which we do not have today.

8. Some of the astronauts claim to have seen UFOs/aliens while in space or on the way to the moon. Very suspicious.

9. One of the astronauts claimed on coast to coast that he couldnt remember what it felt like to walk on the moon

10. image analysis on some of the photographs has found unexplained hotspots allegedly caused only by additional lighting and off centre reticles

11. NASA has been full of masons, occultists and Nazis since it was founded.

12. There are masonic links, such as Apollo 11 being the famous mission, Apollo 13 being the disaster mission. Supposedly all the astronauts were 33rd freemasons, they took a masonic flag with them. Mason HG Wells wrote in 'Things To Come' 1930 ish, how there would be a world war lasting for decades, then the New World Order would descend from the skies and declare world peace and all the peoples of the world would collaborate together on a mission to the moon to symbolise that peace.
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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2010, 10:01:03 PM »

I was just looking on the Off Topic board and posted something about Bill Cooper and was thinking about the moon landings and remembered his show on the Moon Landings. All has been previously covered before but interesting all the same:
http://www.google.co.uk/url?q=http://video.google.com/videoplay%3Fdocid%3D3419977368243743187&sa=U&ei=94QRTZWIEaOAhAfa8fi2Dg&ved=0CC4QtwIwAw&usg=AFQjCNHNJfhh-Rl2Qs1vforVhzoEalgrkA
There is a talk also where he studies old NASA picture books of the Moon and claims there maybe structures/bases, religious symbols upon the moons surfaces. Not saying I believe this but all the same you can't deny the images.
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« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2011, 10:59:55 AM »

Moon may be younger than thought, study says
An analysis of a lunar rock raises questions about when and how the moon was formed. It may be 200 million years younger than widely believed.

The moon may be 200 million years younger than widely believed, according to a new analysis of a rock brought back to Earth in 1972 by Apollo 16 astronauts. Or, if not, the moon may never have had the magma ocean that scientists think covered its surface soon after it formed.

Either way, the findings published online Wednesday by the journal Nature could send lunar scientists back to the drawing board to reconsider the moon's evolution.

http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-moon-age-20110818,0,4380476.story
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« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2011, 11:29:38 AM »

Moon may be younger than thought, study says
An analysis of a lunar rock raises questions about when and how the moon was formed. It may be 200 million years younger than widely believed.

The moon may be 200 million years younger than widely believed, according to a new analysis of a rock brought back to Earth in 1972 by Apollo 16 astronauts.

Or, if not, the moon may never have had the magma ocean that scientists think covered its surface soon after it formed.

Either way, the findings published online Wednesday by the journal Nature could send lunar scientists back to the drawing board to reconsider the moon's evolution.

http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-moon-age-20110818,0,4380476.story

"new analysis of a rock brought back to Earth in 1972 by Apollo 16 astronauts" BS!


The moonstone which is in the possession of the Rijksmuseum (Amsterdam Holland) did not came from the moon. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread495912/pg1

Geologists from the Free University examined the object and say it's a piece of petrified wood.

In 1969 former Prime Minister Drees received the stone from the hands of the American Ambassador Middendorf.

That was because the visit to the Netherlands of the astronauts of Apollo 11, in 1969 when humans first landed on the moon.

The Rijksmuseum had the rock insurance for 100,000 guilders. Experts say that the piece of petrified wood at most 50 euros worth.

Source: NOS


You know how they know more about how the moon was formed?

NASA Slams Probe Into Moon’s South Pole in Search for Water
9 October 2011
, by Ryan Flinn (Bloomberg)
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aQpgdzA4Inas
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« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2011, 11:24:49 PM »

Phew I almost smashed my head on the table thinking not again!!! But the thread is old and not some new omfg look at this proof here that doesnt proof anything thread.
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« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2011, 03:51:25 AM »

Man may have landed on the moon 42 years ago, but we don't yet know what it's made of or how exactly it was formed.
Nasa hopes to change this with the launch of two spacecraft towards are nearest cosmic neighbour.

The dynamic duo will orbit the moon to determine the structure of the lunar interior from crust to core and to advance understanding of the thermal evolution of the moon.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2030529/GRAIL-mission-What-IS-moon-Nasa-hopes-twin-spacecraft-reveal-answer.html
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« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2011, 01:53:12 PM »

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/09/110906135841.htm

A friend of mine is a communications engineer on the Arizona state team. He says the pictures are legit despite having in the past having had some doubts about the intial 2 moon landings. 11 &12. I trust his info.
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« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2011, 02:01:42 PM »

1968 was solar max.... I guess that doesn't prove 11 was fake but does anyone believe apollo 11 was not a hoax?
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« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2011, 02:03:37 PM »

The Moon-Landed was shot in a British Cave under Nixon.
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« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2011, 02:07:46 PM »


Apollo 17
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« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2011, 02:59:20 PM »

some points to consider:

1. The soviets were ahead of the US in space achievements

2. Sending living creatures, especially humans, into space does not follow on technologically. Any scientist will tell you that space is explored by unmanned craft and robots, this makes doing things 10x cheaper and 10x easier. This is important, it defines manned moon missions as a psychological stunt not a technological progression. how many conspiracy debunkers have even considered it in that way

3. That explains why they never went on to build bases on planets, even though everyone expected it. Those are sci-fi ideas, not how space tech is really done.

4. Nobody else has claimed to have sent men to the moon to this date.

5. The Soviets placed retroreflectors and collected moon rocks all with robots. Albeit far less moon rock than the US claims to have, however allegedly much of the US moon rock has never been seen. Why collect so much moon rock (hundreds of kilos) for what purpose.

6. The post Apollo 11 press conference was very suspicious and the astronauts claimed they couldn't see stars on the moons surface

7. I have personally encountered at least two scientists and one astronaut claiming that we do not have the technology to return to the moon today if we wanted to. The brain dead establishment lackey journalists, one of whom was Art Bell, never follower up with the obvious question, which technology did we have in the 1970s which we do not have today.

8. Some of the astronauts claim to have seen UFOs/aliens while in space or on the way to the moon. Very suspicious.

9. One of the astronauts claimed on coast to coast that he couldnt remember what it felt like to walk on the moon

10. image analysis on some of the photographs has found unexplained hotspots allegedly caused only by additional lighting and off centre reticles

11. NASA has been full of masons, occultists and Nazis since it was founded.

12. There are masonic links, such as Apollo 11 being the famous mission, Apollo 13 being the disaster mission. Supposedly all the astronauts were 33rd freemasons, they took a masonic flag with them. Mason HG Wells wrote in 'Things To Come' 1930 ish, how there would be a world war lasting for decades, then the New World Order would descend from the skies and declare world peace and all the peoples of the world would collaborate together on a mission to the moon to symbolise that peace.

I can address some of this. I'm no expert but i am a Chemical Engineering student a few creds from my undergraduate degree so i'm well versed in the scientific process and have a heavy interest in anything related to space. I wanted to major in Astro Physics originally but for practical reasons did not.

1. Yes the Soviets were ahead in rocketry, Von Brauns team was basically shafted during his time in the Army, research between the Army and Navy was separate as it was unclear who would be in charge of space, once the Soviet progress became clear and NASA picked him up did the ball really get rolling. Also the Soviets did not take the moon challenge as serious as the U.S. and didn't give it ample funding.

2. Very true and a good part of the reason we've never gone back. The decision to send people was made by politicians not scientists. It was more political then anything.

3. Yes sir, unmanned exploration and self replicating droids will be how space is explored in the future.

4. Yeah, and i do not think for a second the Soviets would not have called the US out on a fake landing. They damn well were tracking the Apollo missions and eavesdropping. Not to mention tonnes of KGB inside NASA. (To this date)

5. Governments are weird like that...

6. I've never seen any stars from the pictures from the surface, there is quite a bit of glare from the surface plus their visors are seriously dark, if i was an astronaut i'd imagine the experience would be very overwhelming on top of having limited time and a very strict mission schedule for surface time i imagine it's not implausible that even if they could see stars through the glare and their visors they might be overlooked. As far as the press conference being suspicious what press conference coming from the feds hasn't been suspicious lol.

7. This is a topic i've discussed with a few professors of mine. Lots of the analogue technology has been rendered so obsolete to the point that there is no one left alive who understands it. A true paradigm shift in the digital revolution. Funny how technology builds upon itself, and makes you realize how screwed we'd be if there was some kind of CME that destroyed every computer, we can't build computers without computers. Square one.

8. I don't understand why they would say this if it was faked.

9. Despite it being a seminal event in their life, seminal events in my life i can only remember pictures of really, and emotions. And i'm only 23. I can't say what remembering something in 40 years will be like.

10. Image analysis? You'd need the original film/data to do any sort of reliable image analysis.

11. Even if they were all masons doesn't mean they didn't want to actually go to the moon. What better way to feel truly special and empowered then go to another world. What better way to feel like a phony then film it on a set. Isn't it more astounding to believe that they squandered billions of dollars of tax money just because they wanted to take a day trip and go walking on the moon?

1968 was solar max.... I guess that doesn't prove 11 was fake but does anyone believe apollo 11 was not a hoax?
Lots of people bring up the radiation factor too. Yep they all got a big dose of radiation, about a years worth. If there was a solar event they could have been killed. They came close but it is possible to live outside of the earths magnetosphere. Theoretical mission plans to Mars have the crew living unshielded and teams on earth monitoring solar activity and giving them warning to get into a shielded closet aboard the craft in the event of some solar winds headed their way. Solar max doesn't mean what you think it means. Activity is up but not constant. Think of it as a hottub, with the jets on, during the max the jets are on high while it's more likely you'll get splashed with a drop of water if you were hovering above it, it's no guarantee.

What strikes me as odd is the incredible devotion the moon landing deniers have. You see some flags moving in a 1/6th G vacuum and shadows from lights on the LM and it's fake no matter what. Ignore actual satellite photos verified by multiple countries, LLRE reflectors placed exactly where the astronauts said they dropped them which any half decent universities astronomy department has been bouncing lasers off of for 40 years. Alan Bean has been painting pictures of the moon since he got back! That's not something you do if you were in on some coverup. Sorry but these science teams aren't lying for the gov't there's just too many of them. Some friends of mine, scientists abhor governmental secrecy as it's directly the opposite of what science is.

My 2 cents..

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« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2011, 03:43:07 PM »

If NASA had really reached the moon, the astronauts would have been able to breathe the lunar atmosphere of 5 psi within 24 hours of landing.  The space suits would not have been necessary.

The Venusians, Martians, and Selenites (native-moon inhabitants) that conduct mining and farming operations up there aren't wearing protective gear.

All Adamski needed was 24 hours in Orthon's ship to decompress and both he and Orthon's crew were all able to breathe the lunar atmosphere just fine.

The moon has 64% of Earth gravity, the bounciness you saw with the spacesuits was all puppeteered via a tension cable.  In reality you walk and talk just like you do on Earth.  Same magnetic field, same van Allen protections as on Earth.

Of course Governments fooling the alethephobic and sophophobic is nothing new.
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Lots of people bring up the radiation factor too. Yep they all got a big dose of radiation, about a years worth. If there was a solar event they could have been killed. They came close but it is possible to live outside of the earths magnetosphere. Theoretical mission plans to Mars have the crew living unshielded and teams on earth monitoring solar activity and giving them warning to get into a shielded closet aboard the craft in the event of some solar winds headed their way. Solar max doesn't mean what you think it means. Activity is up but not constant. Think of it as a hottub, with the jets on, during the max the jets are on high while it's more likely you'll get splashed with a drop of water if you were hovering above it, it's no guarantee.

What strikes me as odd is the incredible devotion the moon landing deniers have. You see some flags moving in a 1/6th G vacuum and shadows from lights on the LM and it's fake no matter what. Ignore actual satellite photos verified by multiple countries, LLRE reflectors placed exactly where the astronauts said they dropped them which any half decent universities astronomy department has been bouncing lasers off of for 40 years. Alan Bean has been painting pictures of the moon since he got back! That's not something you do if you were in on some coverup. Sorry but these science teams aren't lying for the gov't there's just too many of them. Some friends of mine, scientists abhor governmental secrecy as it's directly the opposite of what science is.

My 2 cents..


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Yes I know how Solar Max works. NASA says it's a bad time for space travel, I'm just saying with all the risks it would seem like you would avoid a big one by choosing a time when there is far less risk of solar flares. But solar max isn't the big radiation argument with the moon landings in the first place. I was just saying it for one to consider.

"Sorry but these science teams aren't lying for the gov't there's just too many of them. Some friends of mine, scientists abhor governmental secrecy as it's directly the opposite of what science is."

So? Not everyone in the cia is involved with black-ops like the drug trade. Should I trust the cia now?
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« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2011, 07:18:43 PM »

So? Not everyone in the cia is involved with black-ops like the drug trade. Should I trust the cia now?
Images of the remnants of the apollo missions while not absolutely conclusive proof is still pretty compelling evidence. My point was i know that these images are not doctored or anything seeing as a personal friend of mine was the guy sitting behind the monitor when these images were received from the LRO. You can't deny that Saturn V's were designed, built, tested, and launched. Lot's of trouble to design something capable of reaching the moon in order to pretend to go. Why not pretend like they were taking more risk by having Apollo 3,4,5,6,7. ect be the first landing mission? The number of engineers and scientists who's experiences in the Apollo missions confirm that they went is quite large. To say they're all in on a hoax is a large leap. You don't think NASA would risk the astronauts lives to radiation? For all we know they were protected by something still classified.

They had no choice but to go at the time they did if they wanted to meet the end of the decade time limit. All the missions were planned well in advance and a small bit of time was needed in case one of the pre-moon landing missions needed to be repeated.
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« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2011, 07:37:52 PM »

There's plenty of things i know the Govt is lying about. This for me isn't one of them. They could have gone about faking it in a much different way that would have been much less of a hassle. The public in '69 had no access to outside information, they could have easily had Cronkite go up there and tell everyone the launch was done in secrecy from a secret location for fear of Soviet sabotage. Then fed them the footage and some pictures of a single Saturn V. Disagree all you want but i go with what makes sense. I think i've even heard Alex say we actually went to the moon just not how we all think, and i'm sure he's got good sources seeing as he mingles with ritzy Austinites.
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« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2011, 07:41:39 PM »

If NASA had really reached the moon, the astronauts would have been able to breathe the lunar atmosphere of 5 psi within 24 hours of landing.  The space suits would not have been necessary.

The Venusians, Martians, and Selenites (native-moon inhabitants) that conduct mining and farming operations up there aren't wearing protective gear.

All Adamski needed was 24 hours in Orthon's ship to decompress and both he and Orthon's crew were all able to breathe the lunar atmosphere just fine.

The moon has 64% of Earth gravity, the bounciness you saw with the spacesuits was all puppeteered via a tension cable.  In reality you walk and talk just like you do on Earth.  Same magnetic field, same van Allen protections as on Earth.

Of course Governments fooling the alethephobic and sophophobic is nothing new.

Yeah...sure. You can point an earth based astronomical spectrometer at the moon and learn it has no atmosphere.
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« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2011, 08:45:02 PM »

MSM front page news:

Astronauts' tracks, trash seen in new moon photos

By SETH BORENSTEIN -AP
updated 9/6/2011 3:20:50 PM ET

WASHINGTON — A spacecraft circling the moon has snapped the sharpest photos ever of the tracks and trash left behind by Apollo astronauts in their visits from 1969 to 1972.

Images taken by NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter from 13 to 15 miles up show the astronauts' paths when they walked on the moon, as well as ruts left by a moon buggy. Experts could even identify the backpacks astronauts pitched out of their lunar landers before they returned to Earth.
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This August 2011 image made available by NASA shows paths left by walking astronauts, single lines, and lunar buggy tracks, parallel lines, from the 1972 U.S. Apollo 17 moon mission. NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter made this and other photographs of lunar landing sites from 13 to 15 miles above the moon's surface. (AP Photo/NASA)
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The photos were released a few days after the debut of the new fictional movie "Apollo 18" and before Thursday's planned launch of NASA's twin robotic spaceships to explore the moon's gravity.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44411123/?GT1=43001
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« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2011, 08:54:00 PM »

Thanks great topic.
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