Do you believe Satan is real?

[Kilgore Trout]

Where were they? Where did you see them?

I see God all over the place , I hear God too when I listen , as for Jesus I see him and feel his brotherhood in all humans who apply the principles he is attributed with , you know them right..? Love , Compassion , Kndness , Forgivness....

[Kilgore Trout]

No, I'm trying to say you might have less to worry about if you had a different attitude about the truth and reality.

You mean if I relinquished my burdens? if so , that is not part of my approach , I believe in personal responsibility.
I do not believe in a "works free" philosophy.

[charrington]

I see God all over the place , I hear God too when I listen , as for Jesus I see him and feel his brotherhood in all humans who apply the principles he is attributed with , you know them right..? Love , Compassion , Kndness , Forgivness....

Really... but you've never seen him physically? Next time you talk to them kilgore ask them if Satan exists - all the principles he's attributed with, you know hate, lying, enslavement, lawlessness, false religion etc..

You don't have to see God to know he's real but Satan you do? You are very inconsistent in your logic Kilgore.

[Kinpa]

Really... but you've never seen him physically? Next time you talk to them kilgore ask them if Satan exists - all the principles he's attributed with, you know hate, lying, enslavement, lawlessness, false religion etc..

You don't have to see God to know he's real but Satan you do? You are very inconsistent in your logic Kilgore.

God is quite well beyond logic, the mind...your own logic is at odds with itself, and yet you have no problem with this fact? egoegoegologiclogiclogicmindmindmind...all one and the same, the mind isnt able to comprehend the Reality that is God, and you yourself sound rather like a Nazi, in your inability to let another believe in God the way they want to, and those actions do have a consequence, they will refuse you entry into heaven, you only serve satan's mission by your egotistical claims about "MY way is the ONLY right way"...what will you do after you die and find that your "god" isnt the highest God? and is in fact one and the same as satan? enquiring minds want to know...

[charrington]

You mean if I relinquished my burdens? if so , that is not part of my approach , I believe in personal responsibility.
I do not believe in a "works free" philosophy.

Whatever you do believe in is your families reality and you can change that.

[Kilgore Trout]

Whatever you do believe in is your families reality and you can change that.

The spiritual welfare of my family is quite good , we are well and intact , I don't want to change that at all.

As far as seeing "Satan" , I know God enough to know that Satan is a mask , a mask that man wears , to scare other men. God has no time for an adversary , God is ALL , that would mean that God also wears the mask too. Nothing comes to pass without God's expressed will , warts and all. Perfection begat Perfection , any contradiction of that is a contradiction of the word perfection.

[Kilgore Trout]

Really... but you've never seen him physically? Next time you talk to them kilgore ask them if Satan exists - all the principles he's attributed with, you know hate, lying, enslavement, lawlessness, false religion etc..

You don't have to see God to know he's real but Satan you do? You are very inconsistent in your logic Kilgore.

it is also the God of your bible that is attributed with all of the lowest human traits , jealousy , vengeance , pettiness , murder , slavery , gambling , cruelty , promoting rape , etc...

[charrington]

God is quite well beyond logic, the mind...your own logic is at odds with itself, and yet you have no problem with this fact?

Says who? God had the bible written for you to understand and follow and never is it at odds with itself.
Seriously, Kinpa you talk circle logic and are always accusing people of things you yourself do and can't admit to -

egoegoegologiclogiclogicmindmindmind...all one and the same, the mind isnt able to comprehend the Reality that is God, and you yourself sound rather like a Nazi, in your inability to let another believe in God the way they want to,

Please by all means believe as you wish -- but go back and look at your first post - you deny others of that very same thing. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hypocritical

and those actions do have a consequence, they will refuse you entry into heaven,

Then by your own standards you have a lot to worry about. By the way I'm not one of the ones here that thinks I will go to heaven

you only serve satan's mission by your egotistical claims about "MY way is the ONLY right way"...what will you do after you die and find that your "god" isnt the highest God? and is in fact one and the same as satan? enquiring minds want to know...

It's not my way kinpa - it's the bibles remember? I didn't write the bible - it's God inspired. You don't believe in the word of God right?

[charrington]

The spiritual welfare of my family is quite good , we are well and intact , I don't want to change that at all.

Much of the time my family and I do not know how we are supposed to survive. We do what we must , including but not limited to pawning our belongings , selling our plasma , eating sub standard foods from charity orginazations , taking a loan against my 94 mustang which was given to me and is my only "family" transport at a rate of 311.% interest...etc

?

As far as seeing "Satan" , I know God enough to know that Satan is a mask , a mask that man wears , to scare other men. God has no time for an adversary , God is ALL , that would mean that God also wears the mask too. Nothing comes to pass without God's expressed will , warts and all. Perfection begat Perfection , any contradiction of that is a contradiction of the word perfection.

You know God's word says something completely different right?

[Kilgore Trout]

Much of the time my family and I do not know how we are supposed to survive. We do what we must , including but not limited to pawning our belongings , selling our plasma , eating sub standard foods from charity orginazations , taking a loan against my 94 mustang which was given to me and is my only "family" transport at a rate of 311.% interest...etc

?
You know God's word says something completely different right?

To illustrate my point , I told you the things that sometimes have to be done , and what does that have to do with our spiritual welfare? You see , the good news is , I place no value on material things , and for my family I do what is needed to survive , believing in your bible will not change the economy.

Perfection = without flaw

God = Perfect

God's creation = flawed , imperfect?

Not possible.

When you lose the ego and self bias you can recognize the perfection that already is.

[charrington]

To illustrate my point , I told you the things that sometimes have to be done , and what does that have to do with our spiritual welfare? You see , the good news is , I place no value on material things , and for my family I do what is needed to survive.

That's why I questioned it -- there's really no point in bringing it up -- some people are put to death for their believes, even sinners get put to death.

believing in your bible will not change the economy.

No one said it would Kilgore just your reference to it. However, God will end suffering and bring to ruin this system of things.

Perfection = without flaw

God = Perfect

God's creation = flawed , imperfect?

Not possible.

When you lose the ego and self bias you can recognize the perfection that already is.

I got a better one --

Perfection = without flaw
God = Perfect
Gods Creation = Free will
Kilgore = imperfect

Completely Fact

To me Kilgore, some, anyone that says they are greater in knowledge then the omnipotent being of the universe has a pretty big "ego" and will never recognize what state they are actually in because they are lying to themselves and trying to convince others that their lies are true to make them valid. Black is white, right is wrong, up is down. Talk about a travesty of cognitive bias?

The spiritual incompetence denies the metacognitive ability to realize the mistake. Nothing since we've been talking has come from any spiritual source except you saying "I know better because I talk to God"

You have to be pulling my leg...the more we talk the more I think you are doing this for laughs.

You can't believe in Satan because you can't see him yet you want others to believe in kilgoreism when there's not one single, article, factoid , sticky note, anything backing your experience? Really?

[Kilgore Trout]

That's why I questioned it -- there's really no point in bringing it up -- some people are put to death for their believes, even sinners get put to death.

No one said it would Kilgore just your reference to it. However, God will end suffering and bring to ruin this system of things.


I got a better one --

Perfection = without flaw
God = Perfect
Gods Creation = Free will
Kilgore = imperfect

Completely Fact

To me Kilgore, some, anyone that says they are greater in knowledge then the omnipotent being of the universe has a pretty big "ego" and will never recognize what state they are actually in because they are lying to themselves and trying to convince others that their lies are true to make them valid. Black is white, right is wrong, up is down. Talk about a travesty of cognitive bias?

The spiritual incompetence denies the metacognitive ability to realize the mistake. Nothing since we've been talking has come from any spiritual source except you saying "I know better because I talk to God"

You have to be pulling my leg...the more we talk the more I think you are doing this for laughs.

You can't believe in Satan because you can't see him yet you want others to believe in kilgoreism when there's not one single, article, factoid , sticky note, anything backing your experience? Really?

I never said I don't believe in Satan because I can't see him , what I said was I don't see evidence beyond speculation that the elite are Satanists , I don't believe in Satan because I'm not a Christian.

And what have I said that is backwards ? I have said that love and compassion are the walk and that the dogmas and parameters of a book are too limiting to my understanding of God.

I am sorry for you that your entire relationship with God has it's roots and branches in the symbolic tales of dead men , and seem to have only these words in which to look for solice.

You really need to examine your claims , I did not say I know better than almighty God , you mistake the fact that I don't agree with the bible as a disagreement with God. I just don't think the bible and God have anything to do with each other.

My ego is diminished to the point that I understand my own insignificance and the significance of that , this allows me to transcend the self bias that blinds people to the already active state of perfection. You do not understand because you are still quite locked in a false paradigm of sin/salvation punishment/reward con that is the very same that pits all people against each other , democrat /republican , black/white ...these things are all based on a bias for against one or the other.

There is nothing in my philosophy that is without address. Do you know why ? Because it is so simple , it is a message that is human ; Love , kindness , forgivness , compassion.

God's will is final , his creation is his absolute design , if a man fails that too is part of God's perfect design. You may speak of freewill , but know that ALL will is ultimately the will of God.

Only bias recognizes flaw , again see the earth from space , there is no flaw , it is only as we get closer and closer that "flaw" appears , because now we can make distinctions , which causes bias as a result of spacial observation and dileniation between one thing or the other.

Let me make it clear again , I am logical enough to know that my views are based on my own perceptions which are subjective , I am not arrogant enough to believe that anything I read or say is the ultimate truth....unlike so many.

[charrington]

I never said I don't believe in Satan because I can't see him , what I said was I don't see evidence beyond speculation that the elite are Satanists , I don't believe in Satan because I'm not a Christian.

And what have I said that is backwards ? I have said that love and compassion are the walk and that the dogmas and parameters of a book are too limiting to my understanding of God.

I've seen nothing that you've said that even comes close it what the bible teaches as love. Yes it's funny to me that you would think you know better then those that wrote the bible.

I am sorry for you that your entire relationship with God has it's roots and branches in the symbolic tales of dead men , and seem to have only these words in which to look for solice.

Well honestly -- I'm glad I do

You really need to examine your claims , I did not say I know better than almighty God , you mistake the fact that I don't agree with the bible as a disagreement with God. I just don't think the bible and God have anything to do with each other.

That's the problem you have nothing (zero evidence) else to support your claims yet history supports the bible. Show some evidence that your testimony is more valid.

My ego is diminished to the point that I understand my own insignificance and the significance of that , this allows me to transcend the self bias that blinds people to the already active state of perfection. You do not understand because you are still quite locked in a false paradigm of sin/salvation punishment/reward con that is the very same that pits all people against each other , democrat /republican , black/white ...these things are all based on a bias for against one or the other.

You yourself agreed that you are responsible for the outcome of your own actions - punishment/ reward. I don't really believe in the political system so no I don't fall into those specific conflicting paradigms. I don't support this system or any of it's rulers.

There is nothing in my philosophy that is without address. Do you know why ? Because it is so simple , it is a message that is human ; Love , kindness , forgivness , compassion.

That's great, how does that fit in to your opening comment in this thread? Well I know you are not perfect that is how and why you make mistakes. Ego evidently will not allow you to accept that.

God's will is final , his creation is his absolute design , if a man fails that too is part of God's perfect design. You may speak of freewill , but know that ALL will is ultimately the will of God.

Where in Gods word are you quoting that from?

Let me make it clear again , I am logical enough to know that my views are based on my own perceptions which are subjective , I am not arrogant enough to believe that anything I read or say is the ultimate truth....unlike so many.

Pff .. Kilgore you are full of it. More often then not you attack others beliefs in the bible and their "perception" of God, claiming you know God better, which is exactly what you say you do not do. In fact you are worse. They are quoting the bible,  you just quote you. Please  ...

[Novus Ordo]

What’s wrong with that? The lads got a way with words, which far exceed the rest of ya’!

You should read the Koran charrington it goes a little further than the Bible with reference to tolerance of other people’s beliefs. Unfortunately, both religions like all religions have fundamental extremists …..
Although people like this are fantastically small in number around the modern world it never ceases to amaze me just how much impact they seem to still have in the modern world.
You consider yourself privileged because of your understanding of your book , suicide bombers consider themselves privileged because of their understanding of their book, and the elite at the top of the slimy corrupt pyramid are privileged by definition. There’s another word inside the word privileged that goes along way to describe the lot of you! But hey, that’s just in my book.

Design is a construct of our brains, we look for patterns it’s what we do. It doesn’t mean their has to be a designer.

[Kilgore Trout]

I've seen nothing that you've said that even comes close it what the bible teaches as love. Yes it's funny to me that you would think you know better then those that wrote the bible.

Well honestly -- I'm glad I do


That's the problem you have nothing (zero evidence) else to support your claims yet history supports the bible. Show some evidence that your testimony is more valid.

You yourself agreed that you are responsible for the outcome of your own actions - punishment/ reward. I don't really believe in the political system so no I don't fall into those specific conflicting paradigms. I don't support this system or any of it's rulers.
That's great, how does that fit in to your opening comment in this thread? Well I know you are not perfect that is how and why you make mistakes. Ego evidently will not allow you to accept that.
Where in Gods word are you quoting that from?
Pff .. Kilgore you are full of it. More often then not you attack others beliefs in the bible and their "perception" of God, claiming you know God better, which is exactly what you say you do not do. In fact you are worse. They are quoting the bible,  you just quote you. Please  ...

As I've said a thousand times , these things (Love and God) must be experienced to be undertsood , language and WORD(s) fall short.

I don't attack beliefs , what I do is question the source of your certainty , which is as it seems not you but the experiences and perceptions of others. This is fine however , except that you and your ilk will not accept that perhaps your secondhand accounts are no more valid than any other. Yet you still apply the arrogance and supposed righteousnes that insints upon absolute truth.

You do not have a monopoly on God. The words of men (including my own) never substitute for actual experience.
You are arrogant enough to try and usurp the liberty of others by implying that only what you agree with is the only valid view of God. I have said no such thing , on the contrary , I have been humble enough to point out that I understand that my views are based on my own experiences and perceptions of God , which are my right and gift.

[Kilgore Trout]

What’s wrong with that? The lads got a way with words, which far exceed the rest of ya’!

You should read the Koran charrington it goes a little further than the Bible with reference to tolerance of other people’s beliefs. Unfortunately, both religions like all religions have fundamental extremists …..
Although people like this are fantastically small in number around the modern world it never ceases to amaze me just how much impact they seem to still have in the modern world.
You consider yourself privileged because of your understanding of your book , suicide bombers consider themselves privileged because of their understanding of their book, and the elite at the top of the slimy corrupt pyramid are privileged by definition. There’s another word inside the word privileged that goes along way to describe the lot of you! But hey, that’s just in my book.

Design is a construct of our brains, we look for patterns it’s what we do. It doesn’t mean their has to be a designer.

Interesting , I've never read the Koran. It's odd , sometimes when I do read something like that , it will reaffirm things I've naturally already come to understand. I guess it's just a function of being empathetic human...

[Kinpa]

Says who? God had the bible written for you to understand and follow and never is it at odds with itself.
Seriously, Kinpa you talk circle logic and are always accusing people of things you yourself do and can't admit to - Please by all means believe as you wish -- but go back and look at your first post - you deny others of that very same thing. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hypocritical

Then by your own standards you have a lot to worry about. By the way I'm not one of the ones here that thinks I will go to heaven
It's not my way kinpa - it's the bibles remember? I didn't write the bible - it's God inspired. You don't believe in the word of God right?

youre pretty funny, "the bible's way" which bible? there have been so damned many versions of this so called truth, i think youre lost, and the fact remains that it IS your way (interpretation) or to hell one must go because we are all anti christs (in YOUR opinion)...i dont use hypocrisy or circular logic, ive no need of them, check yourself however, your looking in the mirror...what on earth makes you think the bible is God inspired? is that anything like channeling or automatic writing? oh wait, that would be satanic, like everything else you dont agree with...the TRUTH of God's way is lost beneath your ego, one learns the greatest of truth's when one isnt afraid to look and find spiritual truth in the humblest of places and situations, try it sometime, IF you dare...and remember the words of the bible..."judge NOT, lest YE be judged" good old Psalm 73...youve done quite a bit of judging here, but your own turn comes nigh...

[Kinpa]

What’s wrong with that? The lads got a way with words, which far exceed the rest of ya’!

You should read the Koran charrington it goes a little further than the Bible with reference to tolerance of other people’s beliefs. Unfortunately, both religions like all religions have fundamental extremists …..
Although people like this are fantastically small in number around the modern world it never ceases to amaze me just how much impact they seem to still have in the modern world.
You consider yourself privileged because of your understanding of your book , suicide bombers consider themselves privileged because of their understanding of their book, and the elite at the top of the slimy corrupt pyramid are privileged by definition. There’s another word inside the word privileged that goes along way to describe the lot of you! But hey, that’s just in my book.

Design is a construct of our brains, we look for patterns it’s what we do. It doesn’t mean their has to be a designer.

what word is that??

[Kinpa]

Interesting , I've never read the Koran. It's odd , sometimes when I do read something like that , it will reaffirm things I've naturally already come to understand. I guess it's just a function of being empathetic human...

it is interesting reading...i bet you can find  a copy to read online...so many folks get all wound up over a book, never seeking to find their own experience with the meaning the words are meant to convey, this goes for bible bashers as well as islamic extremists, they are no different...it is as Rumi says...
"The outward form of things passes away, but the essence remains for ever. How long will you be besotted with the shape of the jug? Cast aside the jug, and seek the water. If you look too closely at the form, you miss the essence. If you are wise, you will always pick out the pearl from the shell."

- Rumi

[Dok]

youre pretty funny, "the bible's way" which bible? there have been so damned many versions of this so called truth, i think youre lost, and the fact remains that it IS your way (interpretation) or to hell one must go because we are all anti christs (in YOUR opinion)...i dont use hypocrisy or circular logic, ive no need of them, check yourself however, your looking in the mirror...what on earth makes you think the bible is God inspired? is that anything like channeling or automatic writing? oh wait, that would be satanic, like everything else you dont agree with...the TRUTH of God's way is lost beneath your ego, one learns the greatest of truth's when one isnt afraid to look and find spiritual truth in the humblest of places and situations, try it sometime, IF you dare...and remember the words of the bible..."judge NOT, lest YE be judged" good old Psalm 73...youve done quite a bit of judging here, but your own turn comes nigh...

Psalm 73
 1Truly God is good to Israel, even to such as are of a clean heart.

 2But as for me, my feet were almost gone; my steps had well nigh slipped.

 3For I was envious at the foolish, when I saw the prosperity of the wicked.

 4For there are no bands in their death: but their strength is firm.

 5They are not in trouble as other men; neither are they plagued like other men.

 6Therefore pride compasseth them about as a chain; violence covereth them as a garment.

 7Their eyes stand out with fatness: they have more than heart could wish.

 8They are corrupt, and speak wickedly concerning oppression: they speak loftily.

 9They set their mouth against the heavens, and their tongue walketh through the earth.

 10Therefore his people return hither: and waters of a full cup are wrung out to them.

 11And they say, How doth God know? and is there knowledge in the most High?

 12Behold, these are the ungodly, who prosper in the world; they increase in riches.

 13Verily I have cleansed my heart in vain, and washed my hands in innocency.

 14For all the day long have I been plagued, and chastened every morning.

 15If I say, I will speak thus; behold, I should offend against the generation of thy children.

 16When I thought to know this, it was too painful for me;

 17Until I went into the sanctuary of God; then understood I their end.

 18Surely thou didst set them in slippery places: thou castedst them down into destruction.

 19How are they brought into desolation, as in a moment! they are utterly consumed with terrors.

 20As a dream when one awaketh; so, O Lord, when thou awakest, thou shalt despise their image.

 21Thus my heart was grieved, and I was pricked in my reins.

 22So foolish was I, and ignorant: I was as a beast before thee.

 23Nevertheless I am continually with thee: thou hast holden me by my right hand.

 24Thou shalt guide me with thy counsel, and afterward receive me to glory.

 25Whom have I in heaven but thee? and there is none upon earth that I desire beside thee.

 26My flesh and my heart faileth: but God is the strength of my heart, and my portion for ever.

 27For, lo, they that are far from thee shall perish: thou hast destroyed all them that go a whoring from thee.

 28But it is good for me to draw near to God: I have put my trust in the Lord GOD, that I may declare all thy works.


King James Version (KJV)

 

[Dok]

Noah didnt exist, get his name right, and dont blame actual historical evidences on Zeitgeist either, that is a pretty weak excuse, for one who doesnt have the courage to see the truth...bible thumpers...

Can you prove Noah didn't exist? Almost every culture on the planet has his story in their history.


Zeitgeist?  all hail Maitreya 

# 2

[Kinpa]

 my bad, matthew 7

[Dok]

i bet no one wants to hear that the Nephilim were actually neanderthal man lol, they cohabitated and interbred with homo sapiens in Isreal...it must be fun to be able to ignore historical fact for the preference of your own fables and mythology 

ohhh, i do. can you show me this historical fact.

# 3

[Kinpa]

# 2

maitreya? LMAO~! stop you make me laugh Dok next youre gonna start talking about zeitgeist, which hasnt been proven false, hate to tell you, the story of jesus was stolen from centuries older stories, this is a fact... go on, worship your book, that ought to make God happy eh?

[Kinpa]

# 3

do you pay any attention to archaeology? or just the archaeology that supports your view?

[Kinpa]

 and who the hell is Noah? it seems he went by a few other names in history, and yet you claim it's Noah? why is that?

[Dok]

maitreya? LMAO~! stop you make me laugh Dok next youre gonna start talking about zeitgeist, which hasnt been proven false, hate to tell you, the story of jesus was stolen from centuries older stories, this is a fact... go on, worship your book, that ought to make God happy eh?

so then, you and only you, as you would be the first, to show the historical documents proving this. correct?

[Dok]

do you pay any attention to archaeology? or just the archaeology that supports your view?

sure i do, now please show me the proof that the neanderthals were the nephilim.

[Dok]

and who the hell is Noah? it seems he went by a few other names in history, and yet you claim it's Noah? why is that?

in a lot of casses its the exact name.

[feeditup]

This thread is pointless. It just furthers division amongst us.

[Kinpa]

sure i do, now please show me the proof that the neanderthals were the nephilim.

i dont have it, an archaelogist in Isreal has the proof, i saw it on tv, humans did live with, and procreate with neanderthal man, not really that much of a big deal...they found a great number of skeletons of both races, indicating co-habitation...you do the math, do you honestly believe they DIDNT have sex??...i dont...http://www.visiontv.ca/NakedArchaeologist/episodes.htmThe Giants of Genesis episode...maybe you need to watch it...

[feeditup]

This thread is pointless. It just furthers division amongst us.

[Kilgore Trout]

Stay Out!!

[charrington]

As I've said a thousand times , these things (Love and God) must be experienced to be undertsood , language and WORD(s) fall short.

I don't attack beliefs , what I do is question the source of your certainty , which is as it seems not you but the experiences and perceptions of others. This is fine however , except that you and your ilk will not accept that perhaps your secondhand accounts are no more valid than any other. Yet you still apply the arrogance and supposed righteousnes that insints upon absolute truth.

I'm afraid you do kilgore -- you are only fooling yourself. And it doesn't matter how many time YOU say anything - without proof of something - you have nothing. They are just words falling short of truth.

You do not have a monopoly on God. The words of men (including my own) never substitute for actual experience.
, on the contrary , I have been humble enough to point out that I understand that my views are based on my own experiences and perceptions of God , which are my right and gift.

No one said I did -- that's your conjecture once again. Id have to say that Jesus' experiences trump Kilgores experiences.

You are arrogant enough to try and usurp the liberty of others by implying that only what you agree with is the only valid view of God. I have said no such thing

That is all you've done kilgore -- is that very thing and you're arrogant enough to imply you don't. You imply that your way is the only way while belittling others beliefs .. are you simple?

[Kinpa]

in a lot of casses its the exact name.

which "alot of cases" is that? the bible? i cant find the name Noah anywhere else...in Babylonia (where the jews were enslaved and got the story from in the first place) his name was gilgamesh, however, it wasnt even their legend, it came from sumeria where the hero is named utnapishtim...nope, doesnt sound at all like noah...

[feeditup]

cointelpro infighting will destroy this movement if we let it.  Wake up

[Kilgore Trout]

cointelpro infighting will distory this movment if we let it.  Fool

We all agree on the basics of liberty , there is no fighting going on in that area the rest of this discussion is philosophical  , if you want to call names , wow . You come to my house and do it , otherwise why bother..

[Kinpa]

i dont have it, an archaelogist in Isreal has the proof, i saw it on tv, humans did live with, and procreate with neanderthal man, not really that much of a big deal...they found a great number of skeletons of both races, indicating co-habitation...you do the math, do you honestly believe they DIDNT have sex??...i dont...http://www.visiontv.ca/NakedArchaeologist/episodes.htmThe Giants of Genesis episode...maybe you need to watch it...

here Dok, read up on it....
http://josiahconcept.org/2010/09/24/naked-archeologist-finds-the-giants-gen-64/
"Naked Archeologist Finds the Giants (Gen 6:4)
24 09 2010

Our old friend Simcha Jacobovici is back. I’ve seen the listing for the show The Naked Archeologist several times, but I never bothered to watch. I had no idea that Jacobovici was the Naked Archeologist until I watched a show the other day on tracking down the giants mentioned in the Bible.

An obscure and usually ignored reference to giants comes in Genesis. Goliath is reputed as one; so is King Og. Here is the reference:

    And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the LORD said, “My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.” There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. (Gen 6:1-4 KJV, emphasis added)

No skeletal remains from the ANE dating to Old Testament times or before has exceeded 6’5″. That’s not giant by anyone’s standard. So, why does the Bible contain a reference to a race of giants?

I could never understand the veneration of the King James version. Sure, it’s the most lyrical and poetic of the English translations. I won’t argue that. But, it has numerous documented mistranslations. This is one of them. Here’s the same passage, in my personal favorite Bible translation:

    When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose. Then the LORD said, “My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.” The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown. (Gen 6:1-4 ESV, emphasis added)

The ESV uses the literal Hebrew word that had been translated “giant” since the Septuagint and Latin Vulgate editions of the Old Testament. The Hebrew word nephilim doesn’t mean “giant.” It means “fallen ones.”

Jacobovici talks to a Jewish scholar who says that, according to Jewish tradition, the “sons of God” were earthly beings that resembled humans but didn’t possess a soul. Jacobovici believes that this may refer to Neanderthals, who walked the earth with humans some 60,000 years ago.


He said that humans and Neanderthals lived in peace for a time, and suggests that they may have intermarried, thus producing the Nephilim. The Nephilim were powerful beings: the Bible describes them as people of great renown. His hypothesis makes some sense–Neanderthals would have been closer to animals and therefore very cunning and strong. Add a human intellect to that mix and you have the recipe for a man of great strength, and thus great renown."

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this thread is wasting your minds and when people come to this site im sure they dont want to read a post "Do you believe Satan is real?"   come on people

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i dont have it, an archaelogist in Isreal has the proof, i saw it on tv, humans did live with, and procreate with neanderthal man, not really that much of a big deal...they found a great number of skeletons of both races, indicating co-habitation...you do the math, do you honestly believe they DIDNT have sex??...i dont...http://www.visiontv.ca/NakedArchaeologist/episodes.htmThe Giants of Genesis episode...maybe you need to watch it...

Never seen it, do you have a link to the episode or any documentation? The Nephilim have very specific characteristics, to which i have never seen on a neanderthal. SO show me your proof and i will look at it.