Do you believe Satan is real?

[lamourlady]

You seem to be less human than I , yet infer that I am swine. I say less human because you know not your heart but the confines of a religion which is governmentally bonded and sanctioned while all other forms of the same religion are erased. Yuo think you got the right version of that...good.

If you think I called you a swine, then you do not understand.  So, now our humanity is based on our beliefs?  I have no religion, Kilgore.

[Kinpa]

not to good at reading what ya wrote are ya?

better than you are at accepting scientific facts lol...

[Kilgore Trout]

If you think I called you a swine, then you do not understand.  So, now our humanity is based on our beliefs?  I have no religion, Kilgore.

I know what the quote means , it is a biblical way of saying who ever does not believe in your book is swine and they are not worthy the pearls of wisdom you cast.

[Dok]

better than you are at accepting scientific facts lol...

I accept all kinds of science, i love science. now could you show me these "historical fact's" that neanderthal man was the nephilim. come on now.

[independentWV]

If you think I called you a swine, then you do not understand.  So, now our humanity is based on our beliefs?  I have no religion, Kilgore.

Faith alone without love now reigns as the gospel instead of what Jesus taught

[Kilgore Trout]

Love , compassion , forgivness , kindness.

[lamourlady]

Love , compassion , forgivness , kindness.

Kilgore, even John Wayne Gacy could do these things.  What's your point?

[independentWV]

Kilgore, even John Wayne Gacy could do these things.  What's your point?

"I am grieved by the bold deprecation of James [by Luther].... Beware that you do not take a paper and loveless faith for the greatest work." (George H. Williams, The Radical Reformation ( Philadelphia: Westminster, 1962) at 40, quoting Carlstadt Canonicis.)

Carlstadt's fear soon became reality as 'sola fide' without any works (love,forgiveness, kindness, compassion or otherwise) became Luther's rallying cry.

[charrington]

lmao, tell me where Jesus says TO believe in the bible...he doesnt, it didnt exist in his entire lifetime, youre quite the comic...  be careful, you arent charring me, youre charring yourself...

Astounding ignorance kinpa -- Jesus only quoted verse from the scrolls (bible) and no other documents. A close study of Jesus’ recorded words reveals that he quoted directly from or referred indirectly to over half of the books of the Hebrew Scripture canon (the Bible). What did you think he was quoting in his Sermon on the mount?

(Luke 4:16-21) 16 And he came to Naz′a·reth, where he had been reared; and, according to his custom on the sabbath day, he entered into the synagogue, and he stood up to read. 17 So the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed him, and he opened the scroll and found the place where it was written: 18 “Jehovah’s spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news to the poor, he sent me forth to preach a release to the captives and a recovery of sight to the blind, to send the crushed ones away with a release, 19 to preach God's acceptable year.” 20 With that he rolled up the scroll, handed it back to the attendant and sat down; and the eyes of all in the synagogue were intently fixed upon him. 21 Then he started to say to them: “Today this scripture that YOU just heard is fulfilled.”


Jesus’ quotations showed his profound reverence for the Word of God (The Bible) and never did he quote from anything else. Jesus never once cited the oral law or some rabbi as an authority. Rather, he viewed God’s Word as the final authority. Again and again, we find him saying: “It is written.” He repeatedly used those or similar words in teaching his followers and in correcting wrong ideas.

1 Peter 2:21
In fact, to this [course] YOU were called, because even Christ suffered for YOU, leaving YOU a model for YOU to follow his steps closely.

Don't you think if Christ quoted the bible insistently as our model you should be too?

John 13;15
For I set the pattern for YOU, that, just as I did to YOU, YOU should do also.

Jesus quoted the Hebrew scriptures (the Bible) over 400 times - that's your example.

In prayer to his Father, Jesus said concerning his disciples: “I have given your word to them.” Then later in the same prayer he added: “Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word is truth.”—John 17:14, 17.
The oral teachings that Jesus gave to his followers were not his own thoughts, but were from his God and Father. He publicly admitted this, saying: “I have not spoken out of my own impulse, but the Father himself who sent me has given me a commandment as to what to tell and what to speak.” (John 12:49; compare John 3:34; 7:16; 8:28; 14:10.)

Hence, the words he personally gave to his followers can correctly be viewed as God’s word and truth, but this did not exclude, but included the Hebrew Scriptures.

Throughout his ministry he quoted from the written Hebrew Scriptures, from Genesis through Malachi. (Matt. 19:5; 11:10) Why, in just what is now Matthew, chapter twenty-two, Jesus quoted from four different places in the Hebrew Scriptures. (Matt. 22:32, 37, 39, 44) We cannot avoid the fact that Jesus considered the Hebrew Scriptures to be inspired.

What is recorded in the books of the Hebrew Scriptures can be seen to be God’s inspired Word for a number of reasons. One reason is that, contrary to human nature, the material is credited, not to the prophet or writer, but to God. In reference to God’s promise to Abraham concerning his seed, we read: “The word of God came to Abram.” (Gen. 15:1) We repeatedly read of the messages as being the word of God. (2 Sam. 24:11; Ezek. 1:3)

The opening verse in Malachi’s prophecy, from which Jesus quoted, reads: “A pronouncement: The word of God concerning Israel by means of Malachi.”—Mal. 1:1.

Because those parts of the Hebrew Scriptures that Jesus quoted were the infallible truth of God’s word, then the whole bulk of the inspired Hebrew Scriptures must likewise be, as Jesus said in John 17:17, “the truth.” So, while Jesus included his oral teachings that are now recorded in the Greek Scriptures when he said, “Your word is truth,” he inescapably embraced the Hebrew Scriptures as God’s Word, by which his disciples must be sanctified.

A large part of Jesus' life was quoting the Bible not degrading it or nullifying it as he told false prophets would try and do. Everything that is known today about Jesus comes from the Bible his "example" left for us follow and to know him by.

Of course I don't think he ever had to deal with dumb and dumber ... Instead of dodging my original question with a easy question -- how about the one I asked to begin with?

[lamourlady]

+1000 Charrington.

[charrington]

Yeah , it makes a great deal of sense to quote your book as viewed by Constantine to be the word of political expediancey , and forget that all manner of Christian thought existed before being brutally excised by the government , yeah that makes sense.

Im sure Kilgorism makes a lot more sense especially since it's based on  .. a voice in someones head - Constantine speaks of Catholics and not all Christian religions - try and comprehend that.

[charrington]

I know what the quote means , it is a biblical way of saying who ever does not believe in your book is swine and they are not worthy the pearls of wisdom you cast.

No what it means is don't waste your time trying to feed Pigs Pearls they only eat trash.

[charrington]

"I am grieved by the bold deprecation of James [by Luther].... Beware that you do not take a paper and loveless faith for the greatest work." (George H. Williams, The Radical Reformation ( Philadelphia: Westminster, 1962) at 40, quoting Carlstadt Canonicis.)

Carlstadt's fear soon became reality as 'sola fide' without any works (love,forgiveness, kindness, compassion or otherwise) became Luther's rallying cry.

I'm just curious -- do you have a bong in your possession sir?

[independentWV]

Im sure Kilgorism makes a lot more sense especially since it's based on  .. a voice in someones head - Constantine speaks of Catholics and not all Christian religions - try and comprehend that.

Constantine not only further corrupted the most corrupted versions of the scriptures , but then ordered his armies to hunt down the true followers of Jesus, and had them murdered.

[ex_nihilo]

I know satan is real. I have a family member who is possessed. They speak an unfamiliar language in their sleep.

[charrington]

Constantine not only further corrupted the most corrupted versions of the scriptures , but then ordered his armies to hunt down the true followers of Jesus, and had them murdered.

Phew! They missed me! And a few others it would seem. Good thing the almighty supreme being in the cosmos can make sure that a puny little man can't disrupt his plans.

So what about that bong eh?

[charrington]

i bet no one wants to hear that the Nephilim were actually neanderthal man lol, they cohabitated and interbred with homo sapiens in Isreal...it must be fun to be able to ignore historical fact for the preference of your own fables and mythology 

Wait a minute ... is Kinpa really David Icke? Citation please.

[Kilgore Trout]

Constantine not only further corrupted the most corrupted versions of the scriptures , but then ordered his armies to hunt down the true followers of Jesus, and had them murdered.

This is true.

And further more I view Christianity as a living philosophy , and NO Dogmatist who has supplemented  doctrines which are mere SENTIMENTS with true walking faith can EVER claim the right to judge my relationship with GOD.

[charrington]

This is true.

And further more I view Christianity as a living philosophy , and NO Dogmatist who has supplemented  doctrines which are mere SENTIMENTS with true walking faith can EVER claim the right to judge my relationship with GOD.

I'm somewhat amused in the irony of you showing up and supporting Satan by repeating his dogma in a thread about Satan being real or not. Catchy isn't it?

[independentWV]

I'm somewhat amused in the irony of you showing up and supporting Satan by repeating his dogma in a thread about Satan being real or not. Catchy isn't it?

Blessed are ye (Kilgore), when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake

[charrington]

Blessed are ye (Kilgore), when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake

Surely you see how absurd it is to belittle and disqualify the bible and then quote it to bolster your Satanic arguments right? That's funny WV --

[lamourlady]

This is true.

And further more I view Christianity as a living philosophy , and NO Dogmatist who has supplemented  doctrines which are mere SENTIMENTS with true walking faith can EVER claim the right to judge my relationship with GOD.

That's fine, Kilgore, just stop using the name of Jesus Christ, known as the son of God, Savior of mankind, risen again King and heir to all things, to support it.  If you personally know some dude named "Hey-Zeus" from east L.A. that helps you out, fine, then make the distinction known.

[Dok]

Do you believe Satan is real?

Blessed are ye (Kilgore), when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake

Yep...

[Kilika]

Peter didn't exactly act like a saint either, so what's your point? That anti-Paul silliness is like complaining about what the pen wrote, all the while ignoring the author. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God.


EDIT...(this was a reply to a now-deleted post)

[independentWV]

Surely you see how absurd it is to belittle and disqualify the bible and then quote it to bolster your Satanic arguments right? That's funny WV --

I see clearly how absurd it is to hold on to Marcion cult text and a false prophet. He was a murderer from the beginning   

The books I hold dear are
# he Law (Torah) -
# Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy The Prophets (Neviim)
# - Joshua, Judges, 1 & 2 Samuel (one volume), 1 & 2 Kings (one volume), Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, the 12 Minor Prophets (one volume) The Writings (Kethubim)
- Psalms, Proverbs, Job, Ruth, Song of Solomon, Ecclesiastes, Lamentations, Esther, Daniel, Ezra and Nehemiah (one volume), 1 & 2 Chronicles (one volume)

These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled." (Luke 24:44)


Marcion cult text not accepted cast out false prophets and liars. He was a murderer from the beginning.

[Kilika]

So you don't hold dear any of the New Testament books, yet you quote from it? Quite the unique belief system you have there. Not like any variation of Christianity that I know of.

[Dok]

I see clearly how absurd it is to hold on to Marcion cult text and a false prophet. He was a murderer from the beginning   

The books I hold dear are
# he Law (Torah) -
# Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy The Prophets (Neviim)
# - Joshua, Judges, 1 & 2 Samuel (one volume), 1 & 2 Kings (one volume), Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, the 12 Minor Prophets (one volume) The Writings (Kethubim)
- Psalms, Proverbs, Job, Ruth, Song of Solomon, Ecclesiastes, Lamentations, Esther, Daniel, Ezra and Nehemiah (one volume), 1 & 2 Chronicles (one volume)

These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled." (Luke 24:44)


Marcion cult text not accepted cast out false prophets and liars. He was a murderer from the beginning.

guess you dont have any salvation, or savior since you apparently live by the law, how are those sacrifices working out for ya? Have ya broken any of those commandments? mind ya, there are way more than 10.

[Kilgore Trout]

Blessed are ye (Kilgore), when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake

Thank you. The living word of God's love which issues forth from our hearts has not been lost on either of us. For that I am thankfull.

[Kilgore Trout]

That's fine, Kilgore, just stop using the name of Jesus Christ, known as the son of God, Savior of mankind, risen again King and heir to all things, to support it.  If you personally know some dude named "Hey-Zeus" from east L.A. that helps you out, fine, then make the distinction known.

Are we not all the children of God? I have as much claim to the name of Jesus as you would. my views indeed quite differ from your own , but you have no monopoly on God's Children....any of us.

[charrington]

Are we not all the children of God? I have as much claim to the name of Jesus as you would. my views indeed quite differ from your own , but you have no monopoly on God's Children....any of us.

How did you learn of the name Jesus?

[lamourlady]

How did you learn of the name Jesus?

And do you believe Him to be the son of God?
That He was sent to die for our sins?
That He rose again and sits at the right hand of the Father?

If not, then clearly make the distinction.

[Kilgore Trout]

How did you learn of the name Jesus?

As I said before , the message attributed to Jesus , is a human message , many before this character have been known to glorify love and kindness , the name and character of Jesus is but a convenience , this name represents the human being. This name is a symbolic embodiment of the potential for humanity , (hence the term be christlike) because we are all moving toward Christ character/consciousness. And if you dispute that , then please ask yourself why...

Perfection as personified by Christ is more about the function of redemption , the redemption required to our fellow humans. It is for Love that we must redeem ourslves not to "God" but to God's children.

Man widening his perspective, seeing and understanding the views of others and working to aleviate the ills in the hearts of those around him , is the movement to Christ. It is not about sitting on your hands and waiting for a saviour to come back , he already came once and now it is up to man to got to him, by following the simple principles put forth.

When you rely only on one person (Jesus) for salvation then you are missing the metaphor of Christ. The truths did indeed come in the form of metaphor, parable and allegory. "We are sinners". You must understand that sin arrives from a limited or ignorant perspective. We are saved from sin by widening our ability to see.

We are to see the ultimate cause and effect of our actions regarding sin and ill conduct. The coming of Christ is an expanding of vision. When we are able to shift our perspective/widen our view regarding the pain we cause when we choose to act maliciously, we are able to truly sense joy and pain , expand love through mutual respect forgiveness and understanding.

The second coming of Christ is a going. We are going to come to Christ. He has already come, that was his part, we are to now apply his message (Love) and come into his consciousness. In this way we are to become worthy.

The illusion that has been enforced is literalism rather than truth. Jesus spoke in parable. The semantics and dogma of literalism is a road block, an earthly device to divide and conquer.


It matters not if "Jesus" of the new testament bible ever even existed. He is the latest mainstream representation of a spirit within the human heart and psyche from time in memoriam. Some of us relaize this and also understand that human experience of these things , God and love can only be understood through personal experience , no words in a book could ever describe either to one who has not experienced them.  

[shipgeek]

Satan only exists in the human being's imagination.
A dog or a cat cannot believe in satan as they don't have a sufficiently developped brain.

Religions were invented by humans, so is Satan.

There are only two things that are real. Good and Evil.
One can go by morals. No need for a God or a Satan.

[Kilgore Trout]

And do you believe Him to be the son of God?
That He was sent to die for our sins?
That He rose again and sits at the right hand of the Father?

If not, then clearly make the distinction.

Do you realize that it is meaningless to man for Jesus to die... if Jesus was not fully man? For a God to die is no feat. It takes a man in kinship with fellow man to make a sacrifice have any meaning.

[independentWV]

guess you dont have any salvation, or savior since you apparently live by the law, how are those sacrifices working out for ya? Have ya broken any of those commandments? mind ya, there are way more than 10.

Jesus promised those who "kept guard" of His word "should never taste death." (John 8:51.)
These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled." (Luke 24:44)

He who continues to trust/believe/obey should be saved." (John 3:16.)

Salvation is based on God forgiving your sin. If you do not forgive others after you receive forgiveness, God will revoke your forgiveness and send you to hell to be tormented. (Matt. 18:28-35; Matt. 6:12.)

To have eternal life, follow the Ten Commandments, deny yourself (i.e., repent and do works worthy of repentance) and then follow Jesus. If you give up fathers, mothers, and brothers for Jesus, deny yourself, take up your cross, and "follow Me," you "shall have eternal life." (Matthew 19:27-29; Matthew 10:37-39; John 12:25-26.)

Verily, Verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. (John 5:24.).

[Kilika]

"Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace." Galatians 5:4 (KJB)

[Dok]

Jesus promised those who "kept guard" of His word "should never taste death." (John 8:51.)
These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled." (Luke 24:44)

He who continues to trust/believe/obey should be saved." (John 3:16.)

Salvation is based on God forgiving your sin. If you do not forgive others after you receive forgiveness, God will revoke your forgiveness and send you to hell to be tormented. (Matt. 18:28-35; Matt. 6:12.)

To have eternal life, follow the Ten Commandments, deny yourself (i.e., repent and do works worthy of repentance) and then follow Jesus. If you give up fathers, mothers, and brothers for Jesus, deny yourself, take up your cross, and "follow Me," you "shall have eternal life." (Matthew 19:27-29; Matthew 10:37-39; John 12:25-26.)

Verily, Verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. (John 5:24.).

hold on here sport, all of that is from the New Testament. to which you said you do not subscribe to. So which is it?


 

I see clearly how absurd it is to hold on to Marcion cult text and a false prophet. He was a murderer from the beginning  

The books I hold dear are
# he Law (Torah) -
# Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy The Prophets (Neviim)
# - Joshua, Judges, 1 & 2 Samuel (one volume), 1 & 2 Kings (one volume), Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, the 12 Minor Prophets (one volume) The Writings (Kethubim)
- Psalms, Proverbs, Job, Ruth, Song of Solomon, Ecclesiastes, Lamentations, Esther, Daniel, Ezra and Nehemiah (one volume), 1 & 2 Chronicles (one volume)

These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled." (Luke 24:44)


Marcion cult text not accepted cast out false prophets and liars. He was a murderer from the beginning.

[independentWV]

Marcion cult text not accepted cast out false prophets and liars. He was a murderer from the beginning.

Do I need to define: All of Paul's Epistles

[Dok]

Marcion cult text not accepted cast out false prophets and liars. He was a murderer from the beginning.

Do I need to define: All of Paul's Epistles

you need to define how you completely dismiss the New Testament, than use it to verify your self. you have yourself a conundrum.

[independentWV]

you need to define how you completely dismiss the New Testament, than use it to verify your self. you have yourself a conundrum.

This was in original message is it not in New Testament?
These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled." (Luke 24:44)

Actually did not need to include a listing could have just used the above verse.