Do you believe Satan is real?

[SongBird]

Look at the design in Silvio Berlusconi's garden:
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=46813.msg210339#msg210339

The idea of Saturn eating his children is thousands of years old, being the great destroyer he ain't all that bad as he's a very good builder too, but these things are symbolic. The alfa-romeo badge is based on Saturn's glyph, it's double sided, a cross and a scythe. In Greek mythology Saturn is Cronos, Time, who decrees the limits of all things, and who stands with his scythe to announce impending death, which is where the children eating idea comes from, he castrated his father too.

[charrington]

There is no "the antichrist" , it is those who put too much stock in the words of a book and too little stock in the walk of understanding that are anit Christ. There is nothing that can be told to me by a book that God has not already put on my heart.

There ya go - talking as if you know better then the bible. I don't think that's God putting anything in your heart or mind. Talk about fairy tails ---

You don't want to believe in the bible that's ok with me but the bible does point out you are false religion. So those of us that do believe in the bible see you as false religion. To use your mindset there is nothing that a strange little man can tell me that hears voices and claims he talks to God while denying Gods own word that I haven't heard from Charlie Manson before

[Dok]

Are you part of either you accept it or you don't crowd? Oh they must be antichrists that is funny.

Jesus says he is the only teacher and Kigore is correct too little stock in the walk of understanding.

Im in the crowd that says, he just proved Charrington's point.

[charrington]

Are you part of either you accept it or you don't crowd? Oh they must be antichrists that is funny.

Jesus says he is the only teacher and Kigore is correct too little stock in the walk of understanding.

You quoting the Bible? I thought you newagers didn't believe in that?

[Kilgore Trout]

There ya go - talking as if you know better then the bible. I don't think that's God putting anything in your heart or mind. Talk about fairy tails ---

You don't want to believe in the bible that's ok with me but the bible does point out you are false religion. So those of us that do believe in the bible see you as false religion. To use your mindset there is nothing that a strange little man can tell me that hears voices and claims he talks to God while denying Gods own word that I haven't heard from Charlie Manson before

My religion is one , Love. No longer will I entertain your ignorance.

[Kilgore Trout]

It is a cowardly self righteous dog lot who would presume to make judgments about the status of the soul of another. To rely on the words of men , to trade the liberty we have to personally know God and see what humanity can be without shame . for the eternal "security" promised by the words of a book.... , to trade that liberty for that sense of secuirty is the type of trade we've heard so much about , those who would make that trade deserve neither liberty nor security.

[Kinpa]

There ya go - talking as if you know better then the bible. I don't think that's God putting anything in your heart or mind. Talk about fairy tails ---

You don't want to believe in the bible that's ok with me but the bible does point out you are false religion. So those of us that do believe in the bible see you as false religion. To use your mindset there is nothing that a strange little man can tell me that hears voices and claims he talks to God while denying Gods own word that I haven't heard from Charlie Manson before

you and Manson have some things in common...

[charrington]

My religion is one , Love. No longer will I entertain your ignorance.

Nor will I accept yours.

[charrington]

you and Manson have some things in common...

Guess you missed the point there genius eh? Whooosh....

[Kinpa]

Guess you missed the point there genius eh?

not at all, but you did, just as you completely missed the point of Jesus' teachings...typical..
i dont think your ego could fit into heaven, but that's ok...

[lamourlady]

How can people believe in the teachings of Christ, while denying the only Book which quotes and teaches His words??? 

Picking, choosing and twisting from the Holy Bible, a book you say we don't need, is the beginnings of all new religions.  So, what are you going to call yours, guys?

[charrington]

not at all, but you did, just as you completely missed the point of Jesus' teachings...typical..
i dont think your ego could fit into heaven, but that's ok...

Yeah? Teach me o wise one.. what does the bible say .. Lets talk about the bible instead of your personal opinion. Tell me where Jesus says you shouldn't believe in the Bible and disparage it's teachings -

[Kilgore Trout]

How can people believe in the teachings of Christ, while denying the only Book which quotes and teaches His words???  

Picking, choosing and twisting from the Holy Bible, a book you say we don't need, is the beginnings of all new religions.  So, what are you going to call yours, guys?

The teachings of Christ are not unique to the character of Jesus. They are human concerns , many have taught to love and be kind and compaasionate and forgiving. It matters not to me whether Jesus or Hercules said thee things , it only matters to me that they are applied because they are the seeds which grow love and healing.


and BTW , Jesus is very quoted in the qu'ran as a prophet.

[lamourlady]

The teachings of Christ are not unique to the character of Jesus. They are human concerns , many have taught to love and be kind and compaasionate and forgiving. It matters not to me whether Jesus or Hercules said thee things , it only matters to me that they are applied because they are the seeds which grow love and healing.

You mean you are just using His name to make you words somehow valid?  Caught ya basing your beliefs on something Biblical and now you have to step back and state the above.  If this is so true, then stop using the name of Jesus as the basis of your new religion.  Find your own saviour, if you can.  


From the Biblical teachings. dah

[Kilgore Trout]

No I use his name as a frame of reference for people who claim they are Christians , but most often they don't recognize the message of their "God". I don't view Jesus as anything more than a human being with a human message , I don't need a saviour , it is only those in fear who postulate such things.

Yet from the biblical teachings they all come to different conclusions.

And wow really? You think applying the the concepts of Love , kindness and forgivness is a "new religion"...no wonder , you don't even understand your own faith.

[Kinpa]

Yeah? Teach me o wise one.. what does the bible say .. Lets talk about the bible instead of your personal opinion. Tell me where Jesus says you shouldn't believe in the Bible and disparage it's teachings -

lmao, tell me where Jesus says TO believe in the bible...he doesnt, it didnt exist in his entire lifetime, youre quite the comic...   be careful, you arent charring me, youre charring yourself...

[Kilgore Trout]

lmao, tell me where Jesus says TO believe in the bible...he doesnt, it didnt exist in his entire lifetime, youre quite the comic...   be careful, you arent charring me, youre charring yourself...

Ha!!

[Kinpa]

You mean you are just using His name to make you words somehow valid?  Caught ya basing your beliefs on something Biblical and now you have to step back and state the above.  If this is so true, then stop using the name of Jesus as the basis of your new religion.  Find your own saviour, if you can.  


From the Biblical teachings. dah

the level of your assumptions is astounding...

[Kinpa]

Ha!!

careful KT, youll go to hell~! lmao, oh wait, thats a derivative of the jewish sheol, where they believe ALL the dead go, not just the "evil" ones... my eyes hurt from all the rolling i have to do here...

[independentWV]

You mean you are just using His name to make you words somehow valid?  Caught ya basing your beliefs on something Biblical and now you have to step back and state the above.  If this is so true, then stop using the name of Jesus as the basis of your new religion.  Find your own saviour, if you can.  


From the Biblical teachings. dah

Jesus is not a religion he is the word, what is new is replacement theology tradition that included Marcion cult teachings in its version

[lamourlady]

Jesus is not a religion he is the word, what is new is replacement theology tradition that included Marcion cult teachings in its version

Never said He was.

[Kinpa]

How can people believe in the teachings of Christ, while denying the only Book which quotes and teaches His words??? 

Picking, choosing and twisting from the Holy Bible, a book you say we don't need, is the beginnings of all new religions.  So, what are you going to call yours, guys?

is it? is it really? funny, religion existed for countless centuries before that book was written...what about Zoroastrianism? the 1st religion to have a good divinity against and evil usurper, the place where jews and christians got their religion, copied from earlier books....Buddha predated Jesus by 500 years, so did hinduism, druidism, and all of the egyptian religions...care to rethink that?

[Kilgore Trout]

Not to mention the Nag Hammadi testaments.

[Kinpa]

 i bet no one wants to hear that the Nephilim were actually neanderthal man lol, they cohabitated and interbred with homo sapiens in Isreal...it must be fun to be able to ignore historical fact for the preference of your own fables and mythology 

[Kilgore Trout]

i bet no one wants to hear that the Nephilim were actually neanderthal man lol, they cohabitated and interbred with homo sapiens in Isreal...[it must be fun to be able to ignore historical fact for the preference of your own fables and mythology 
/b]

Which actually really are the "New" religion.

[lamourlady]

is it? is it really? funny, religion existed for countless centuries before that book was written...what about Zoroastrianism? the 1st religion to have a good divinity against and evil usurper, the place where jews and christians got their religion, copied from earlier books....Buddha predated Jesus by 500 years, so did hinduism, druidism, and all of the egyptian religions...care to rethink that?

Nope.

[Kinpa]

Nope.

yeah, the truth hurts doesnt it?

[independentWV]

Which actually really are the "New" religion.

They'll Never Publicly Release or Adopt the Dead Sea Scrolls either

[Kilgore Trout]

They'll Never Publicly Release or Adopt the Dead Sea Scrolls either

I say because they give to much liberty to the adherant , what say you?

[lamourlady]

Stop ignoring the point I tried to make.  There are people who wish to use the Bible at their convenience while in the same breath denying it.  Using the name of Jesus as the basis of their "walk", regardless whether there are others with the same viewpoints.  The point is that Kilgore throws around the name of Jesus all the time, yet denies the only book that quotes His teachings.  The rest of your jargon I could care less about.  Believe it if you must.  

2 Thessalonians 2
 10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

 11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

 12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

[Kilgore Trout]

Stop ignoring the point I tried to make.  There are people who wish to use the Bible at their convenience while in the same breath denying it.  Using the name of Jesus as the basis of their "walk", regardless whether there are others with the same viewpoints.  The point is that Kilgore throws around the name of Jesus all the time, yet denies the only book that quotes His teachings.  The rest of your jargon I could care less about.  Believe it if you must.  

I have to use words with wich you can relate , unfortunately you only relate to God in the paramters and confinements of your book. If I used other terms you would be even more remote to understanding God.

[Dok]

i bet no one wants to hear that the Nephilim were actually neanderthal man lol, they cohabitated and interbred with homo sapiens in Isreal...it must be fun to be able to ignore historical fact for the preference of your own fables and mythology 

ohhh, i do. can you show me this historical fact.

[Dok]

is it? is it really? funny, religion existed for countless centuries before that book was written...what about Zoroastrianism? the 1st religion to have a good divinity against and evil usurper, the place where jews and christians got their religion, copied from earlier books....Buddha predated Jesus by 500 years, so did hinduism, druidism, and all of the egyptian religions...care to rethink that?

ill play this game. ya, Budda predated Jesus, but then again Budda's dead. oh and Abraham predated all of them. 

[Kinpa]

ohhh, i do. can you show me this historical fact.

what? that religions existed before christianity? are you serious??  

[Dok]

lmao, tell me where Jesus says TO believe in the bible...he doesnt, it didnt exist in his entire lifetime, youre quite the comic...   be careful, you arent charring me, youre charring yourself...

Mat 4:4  But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.


Is is written, written in what exactly? 

[Dok]

what? that religions existed before christianity? are you serious??  

not to good at reading what ya wrote are ya?

[Dok]

I have to use words with wich you can relate , unfortunately you only relate to God in the paramters and confinements of your book. If I used other terms you would be even more remote to understanding God.

This applies here also.

2 Thessalonians 2
 10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

 11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

 12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

[lamourlady]

I have to use words with wich you can relate , unfortunately you only relate to God in the paramters and confinements of your book. If I used other terms you would be even more remote to understanding God.

Kilgore, I'll never, nor do I ever wish to know or relate to what it is you claim is the voice that speaks to you and your heart.  If you don't accept and believe Jesus Christ, I want no part of it.  So, there, neither of us wants anything to do with the other's belief system...anything else is 'pearls before swine'.

[Kilgore Trout]

Yeah , it makes a great deal of sense to quote your book as viewed by Constantine to be the word of political expediancey , and forget that all manner of Christian thought existed before being brutally excised by the government , yeah that makes sense.

[Kilgore Trout]

Kilgore, I'll never, nor do I ever wish to know or relate to what it is you claim is the voice that speaks to you and your heart.  If you don't accept and believe Jesus Christ, I want no part of it.  So, there, neither of us wants anything to do with the other's belief system...anything else is 'pearls before swine'.

You seem to be less human than I , yet infer that I am swine. I say less human because you know not your heart but the confines of a religion which is governmentally bonded and sanctioned while all other forms of the same religion are erased. Yuo think you got the right version of that...good.