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Satan's Strategy. What in the World Is Satan Doing? Is Satan a Myth or a Reality? How Do We Know Satan Is Real?
   
Two Contemporary "Devils"
    THE NEW AGE NATURE GOD
    THE NEW AGE NATURE GOD
Who is Satan?
    HIS ORIGIN
    HIS SIN
    HIS PUNISHMENT
    HIS PERSONHOOD
    HIS NAMES
What Is Satan Doing?
    Fighting : SATAN IS FIGHTING US
    PLANTING COUNTERFEITS
    DEVOURING VICTIMS
    Ruling : SATAN IS RULING
    Deceiving : SATAN IS DECEIVING
    Dr. William Hendriksen made this comment
The Elements of Satan's Lie
    THE RESULTS OF BELIEVING SATAN'S LIE
    SATAN'S DISGUISE
    Accusing : SATAN IS ACCUSING US
    Possessing : SATAN IS POSSESSING
    DEMON POSSESSION IN THE PAST
    PRESENT-DAY DEMON POSSESSION
    EXORCISM TODAY
The Only Answer to Satan's Lie
How Can We Defeat Satan?
    HAVE CONFIDENCE IN GOD
    SUBMIT TO GOD AND RESIST SATAN
    BE AWARE OF SATAN'S STRATEGIES
    PUT ON THE ARMOR OF GOD

What in the World Is Satan Doing?

Are we fooling ourselves if we blame our problems on the devil? Or are we being spiritually naive if we don't? Does our Christian faith require us to believe in a real, unseen enemy whose aggressive strategy is to keep us from loving and trusting Christ?

Dan Vander Lugt, RBC biblical counselor, has written this booklet to correct some current misconceptions about Satan. It is our prayer that it will help you to be both forewarned and forearmed against an evil empire organized not only to rule the world but to take the place of Christ in your heart.

Is Satan a Myth or a Reality?

A recent survey revealed that nearly 70 percent of the American public believes that Satan is real. But this statistic doesn't reflect the lack of understanding people have about his nature or activities. Many in our society have strong, confused, and conflicting ideas about Satan.

A few years ago psychiatrist M. Scott Peck, who authored the remarkable best seller "The People of the Lie", admitted, "In common with 99 percent of the psychiatrists and the majority of the clergy, I did not think the devil existed." But this perception may be changing. Many scientifically minded people are no longer so sure. Some, like Peck, have been led to the Christian faith through their grappling with the reality of evil. Others, though, speaking freely of the devil, do so in a non-Christian context.

Ludwig Staudenmaier was a German scientist who accepted the Freudian idea that the devil was only a "myth, " a "personification of repressed, unconscious drives." After completing his doctoral work in chemistry, zoology, and theology, he became obsessed with a desire to "explore the boundaries between the natural and the supernatural, to allow the natural sciences to determine as accurately as possible the distinction between pathology and actual satanic manifestations."

At the suggestion of a friend, Staudenmaier began experimenting with the psychic technique known as "automatic writing, " a phenomenon in which the subject learns how to place himself into a trance, permitting unseen forces to write messages through his hand. He soon became quite adept at automatic writing even though he considered what he wrote to be the product of his subconscious mind.

Soon, however, he was disturbed by hallucinations, which rapidly increased in both their frequency and severity. One night as he lay in his bed, he had the distinct feeling of a chain being fastened around his neck and tightened. Then came the strong odor of sulfur and a sinister voice saying, "You are now my captive. I will never free you. I am the devil."

Although still clinging to his scientific perspective, Staudenmaier began to have second thoughts about his venture. He wrote:

There remains in my mind no doubt that according to a naive, medical perspective I have become possessed. Therefore, only two alternatives remain: Either I am on the brink of understanding the puzzle of human existence from a new and entirely novel perspective, or I am a fool who has thrown away years of time, health, and perhaps even life itself. He continued to be tormented by hallucinations until he died some years later in Rome.

Staudenmaier's experience is not unique. People of every culture have sensed or encountered the reality of a personal, supernatural, evil, spirit being. Some of the greatest writers of recent centuries are people who took the devil very seriously. Feodor Dostoevski, Charles Baudelaire, Thomas Mann, Flannery O'Connor, and Geourge Bernanos are just a few examples.

Satan also appears in areas untouched by Western civilization with its Judeo-Christian heritage. Possibly the most striking satanic figures ever created are the vicious leering "fire gods" crafted 1, 000 years before Columbus by post-Olmec Indians.

Jeffery Burton Russell states: "Parallel formulations of the devil in diverse and widely separated cultures... are striking" ("The Devil, " Cornell University Press, p.55).

In analyzing such evidence two mistakes are made. Some find ways to explain them as psychological phenomena with their origin in the human psyche. This interpretation usually leaves some aspects of these experiences unexplained. Others err in the opposite direction. They see demons everywhere and give simplistic solutions to complex situations. They offer their exorcism formulas as panaceas for almost all ills.

It is important that we avoid both extremes--rationalization and gullibility.

How Do We Know Satan Is Real?

Science will never find Satan. Its instruments will never be able to measure or prove the reality of spiritual things. The demonic is known by other means.

M. Scott Peck, a recent convert to belief in the devil's reality, tells how he became aware of the spiritual dimension of life, not through scientific inquiry but through grappling with the reality of evil in the lives of his patients. He writes:

I don't really hope to convince the reader of Satan's reality. Conversion to a belief in God generally requires some kind of actual encounter--a personal experience--with the living God. Conversion to a belief in Satan is no different (The People of the Lie, Simon and Schuster, p.184).

Many people who insist that they believe only what can be scientifically verified have never taken the time to consider how inconsistent their viewpoint is. The most important things in our lives, after all, are not things that can be proved or disproved scientifically. Science cannot prove that love for family and friends is real. Neither can science assure us of the validity of our emotions in response to beautiful music or a walk through a place of great natural beauty. Beyond this, science cannot provide us with any ultimate standard for values or morality.

There are obvious many real things that cannot be verified, quantified, evaluated, proved, or disproved by science. Reality has dimensions (or "levels") that transcend science and must be understood in different ways. A simple way to understand these "levels" of reality is to think in terms of the following model:

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http://logosresourcepages.org/Occult/satan_strat.htm

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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2010, 11:44:21 PM »


[Saturn Devouring His Children, Goya]

Satan! Is that you?  *Is it ...ME?*
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« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2010, 01:38:53 PM »

I do not belive in satan. I do not belive in god. Well I do not deny a god, but I believe god is far different than what the bible says god is.
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« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2010, 01:40:35 PM »

do you believe the easter bunny is real?
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« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2010, 12:33:10 PM »

How much stupid fairy tales can people invest their time in?
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« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2010, 12:39:17 PM »

How much stupid fairy tales can people invest their time in?
Apparently a lot, a quick visit to the David Icke forum is about the equivalent of banging your head on the wall several times...
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« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2010, 01:27:14 PM »

Apparently a lot, a quick visit to the David Icke forum is about the equivalent of banging your head on the wall several times...

this place isn't much better.
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« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2010, 09:53:44 AM »

have you guys read "masonic donkeys only eat masonic carrots"? smile
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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2010, 10:42:59 AM »

have you guys read "masonic donkeys only eat masonic carrots"? smile
I suggest reading :Satan: Prince of This World
by William Guy Carr
and find out what most thorough researchers like a Dr Stan for example already know....or you can ridicule it and stay ignorant
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« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2010, 10:47:11 AM »

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At the suggestion of a friend, Staudenmaier began experimenting with the psychic technique known as "automatic writing, " a phenomenon in which the subject learns how to place himself into a trance, permitting unseen forces to write messages through his hand. He soon became quite adept at automatic writing even though he considered what he wrote to be the product of his subconscious mind.

Soon, however, he was disturbed by hallucinations, which rapidly increased in both their frequency and severity. One night as he lay in his bed, he had the distinct feeling of a chain being fastened around his neck and tightened. Then came the strong odor of sulfur and a sinister voice saying, "You are now my captive. I will never free you. I am the devil."

Thats how it usually starts, you open a door way, you your self invite them in.
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« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2010, 11:10:47 AM »

 Satan? Jehova? Kal Niranjan? one and the same...
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« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2010, 11:11:50 AM »

Satan? Jehova? Kal Niranjan? one and the same...

prove it
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« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2010, 11:20:19 AM »

do you believe the easter bunny is real?
Society has made him real - yeah. So now the Easter Bunny does exist, he's man made but he's here.
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« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2010, 11:33:29 AM »

prove it

Kinpa, Kilgore, Bush, Obama, Cheney?
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« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2010, 11:36:32 AM »

Kinpa, Kilgore, Bush, Obama, Cheney?

 Shocked  Cheesy
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« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2010, 01:53:10 PM »

Kinpa, Kilgore, Bush, Obama, Cheney?
  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Wink Grin
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« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2010, 02:13:34 PM »



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« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2010, 03:06:15 PM »

man he looks good in that suit.
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« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2010, 03:20:10 PM »



Songbird:
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[Saturn Devouring His Children, Goya]

The elite certainly love him/her/it ... and love to rub

such imagery (eating our children) in our noses.

Look at the design in Silvio Berlusconi's garden:


http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=46813.msg210339#msg210339

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« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2010, 03:34:01 PM »

Kinpa, Kilgore, Bush, Obama, Cheney?

yeah , I'm bad because I apply and extole the virtues that "Christ" is supposed to represent , without expectation for an eternal reward...I can see how this might be viewed as "Evil"....not.
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« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2010, 04:17:15 PM »

yeah , I'm bad because I apply and extole the virtues that "Christ" is supposed to represent , without expectation for an eternal reward...I can see how this might be viewed as "Evil"....not.
so many talk the talk, but only a very FEW, walk the walk...walk on brother~!
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« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2010, 04:48:44 PM »

thank you.
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« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2010, 05:23:17 PM »

thank you.
well no, thank YOU  Wink
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« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2010, 05:33:42 PM »

well no, thank YOU  Wink

But I insist ...gratis.
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« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2010, 05:35:57 PM »

But I insist ...gratis.
i shall double it and give you a gift, my acceptance of your gift...think about that one...
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« Reply #25 on: November 13, 2010, 05:39:01 PM »

Tou-ch'e and the devil wasn't involved at all!!
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« Reply #26 on: November 13, 2010, 05:43:19 PM »

Tou-ch'e and the devil wasn't involved at all!!
and yet God was...isnt It simply amazing? and i thank all my wonderful christian teachers here as well, truly, thank you All~!
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« Reply #27 on: November 13, 2010, 05:46:41 PM »

and yet God was...isnt It simply amazing? and i thank all my wonderful christian teachers here as well, truly, thank you All~!

We must all learn from the better examples we see in our world , and the negative ones too , to remember to steer clear of that behavior.
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« Reply #28 on: November 13, 2010, 05:53:43 PM »

yes Satan is real i've seen it with my own eyes, and its rings!
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« Reply #29 on: November 13, 2010, 05:54:48 PM »

please elaborate...
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« Reply #30 on: November 13, 2010, 05:57:44 PM »

yes Satan is real i've seen it with my own eyes, and its rings!
yes, do...
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« Reply #31 on: November 13, 2010, 06:11:19 PM »

well i thought is was funny...sheeesh

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« Reply #32 on: November 13, 2010, 06:15:49 PM »

It might be but i'm missing the ring thing , from the lord of the rings or what?
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« Reply #33 on: November 13, 2010, 06:17:51 PM »

omg...
its actually quite an old joke in my defence and
i know its spelt 'urn' btw don't go and kill it any more than you already have done
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« Reply #34 on: November 13, 2010, 06:21:22 PM »

Nah man come on , I didn't kill anything , whatver that was could have starred in a romero flick before it got here.
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« Reply #35 on: November 13, 2010, 06:46:43 PM »

How much stupid fairy tales can people invest their time in?

Oh believe me there's a lot of them!  Truly there is something for everyone as far as fairy tales go.  There was one going round recently that Americans actually have 'freedom and democracy'.... now who would believe THAT?!

Anyway, if Satan represents evil, then its pretty fair to say that yes it exists and not only that, but it exists or has the capacity to exist everywhere and be a part of everything.... and not just in SOME things as apposed to others.  Some things are inherintly more evil than others (ie Dick Cheney and George Bush as compared to the rest of the human population  Grin)  But seriously, the fact that they 'happen' in our society and are allowed to 'operate' within it - who's fault is that?  Ours?

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« Reply #36 on: November 14, 2010, 02:23:02 PM »

yeah , I'm bad because I apply and extole the virtues that "Christ" is supposed to represent , without expectation for an eternal reward...I can see how this might be viewed as "Evil"....not.
Hmm no because you deny Gods word as Gods word, tell people they don't need Gods word. Who does that remind you of? Oh yeah the anti-Christ class.
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« Reply #37 on: November 14, 2010, 02:42:18 PM »

Hmm no because you deny Gods word as Gods word, tell people they don't need Gods word. Who does that remind you of? Oh yeah the anti-Christ class.

There is no "the antichrist" , it is those who put too much stock in the words of a book and too little stock in the walk of understanding that are anit Christ. There is nothing that can be told to me by a book that God has not already put on my heart.
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« Reply #38 on: November 14, 2010, 02:52:02 PM »

ya just proved his point.
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« Reply #39 on: November 14, 2010, 03:02:26 PM »

ya just proved his point.

Are you part of either you accept it or you don't crowd? Oh they must be antichrists that is funny.

Jesus says he is the only teacher and Kigore is correct too little stock in the walk of understanding.
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