Do you believe Satan is real?

[Kilgore Trout]

Are you saying you are the only one who can attain this 'personal experience' and sit here and write about it, a mere man, and we are suppose to believe you?  Did the prophets not have a personal experience with God, without the Bible, and then write about it?  But, of course you won't answer this, because you are somehow higher than everyone else and will skirt around this issue.

No , my point is that one cannot look upon the bible as having any more validity than any of our personal experiences. I do not have to "skirt" any issue because my whole contention is based on the simplist of principals. Therefore I need not worry to traverse the maze of reason when logic is plain and clear. You should recognize the principals of which I speak , they are afterall those you suppose to have guide you...the only difference in my walk is that I do it without the promise of reward. For some reason this bothers you....why?

[Kilgore Trout]

Megalomaniac. Kilgore you are beginning to make me see the benefits of doping the water with lithium. I'm lol-ing. We have to figure out how to keep you from ever talking to any NWO leaders.. they will force that law into effect immediately.

What "law" do you speak of ? I live by this simple law that you should be familiar with ; "do unto others as you would have them do unto you". I'm sorry that it seems the only experience you have with God is through the words of others. You prove this by trying to discount experience , why would you do that....? because you have yet to have any for yourself.

[Kinpa]

I'm just pointing out what the bible says mate -- judge yourself by those words, the rest of us here at least try to do that.  

You know what the "real" problem is here -- your first post in this area.

Yeah, talk about ego .. you just jump in just like Kilgore and tell everyone in the forum what you know is right and how stupid the rest of us are for believing in God. If you don't see that as the supreme egotism then you are completely retarded. No offense meant to the cerebrally challenged.

Every post where you actually talk about love and sharing has been condescending at best - you should be the one that takes a good look at himself and see if you meet your own standards, because you don't. You are truly a hypocrite. While you and Kilgore continue to bash and twist the faith of others here, based on your OWN opinions, (which no one seems to be interested in) I'll continue to point out your opposition to the holy scriptures and God - FROM the holy scripture.

I'm quoting you scriptures not giving you personal opinions - if you have problems with scriptures then your "real" issue is with God and not I.

excuses, drop your PRIDE before the Lord

[Kinpa]

I posted that already - the scriptures tell you exactly where he was and what he was doing and every Christian knows WHY he was doing what he did. Have someone read that last post to you slowly. Seriously, I'm embarrassed for you. You have no understanding of anything scriptural. I don't think I've ever seen anyone so quick to boast his ignorance.

I know we've done this before so I apologize to the others here in advance for repeating the post. I'm sure you all are pulling your hair out now lol.

Antichrist occurs a total of five times, singular and plural, all of them in two of John’s epistles.

(1 John 2:18)
"Young children, it is the last hour, and, just as YOU have heard that antichrist is coming, even now there have come to be many antichrists; from which fact we gain the knowledge that it is the last hour."

(1 John 2:22)
"Who is the liar if it is not the one that denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one that denies the Father and the Son."

Notice that he says there here now? And also that there are "MANY" Antichrists? That is because the Antichrist is a composite - It's a group of people, religions and governments etc, that do not believe Jesus is the Christ,” and who deny that Jesus is the Son of God who came “in the flesh.

(2 John 7)
For many deceivers have gone forth into the world, persons not confessing Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.

(1 John 4:2-3 )
YOU gain the knowledge of the inspired expression from God by this: Every inspired expression that confesses Jesus Christ as having come in the flesh originates with God, 3 but every inspired expression that does not confess Jesus does not originate with God. Furthermore, this is the antichrist’s which YOU have heard was coming, and now it is already in the world.

John’s inspired statements show the term to be broad in its application, embracing all those who deny that “Jesus is the Christ,” and who deny that Jesus is the Son of God who came “in the flesh.”

So according to the Bible - Gods own word - you and the others here that claim that Jesus is a myth, is an ideology, is not the son of God, was never here on earth in the flesh - You are the Antichrist class and always have been.

again with the prejudice? when did i make any such claim about Christ...get to know him before you open your mouth, you know not what you speak, you call names, all the while showing that YOU are literally the anti christ, preaching with the fullest of ego, telling everyone but yourself what the "right" way is, yet you dont walk the talk in the least...big head...very small heart, no love, nowhere to be found...

[Kinpa]

Have you ever read the bible? Be honest.

Lets just talk about that for a minute - here's why I know you don't have any understanding of Jesus , God or the Bible. Because you say things that are the opposite of what the bible says.

Here's a couple of many Scriptures you might want to think about.

(Proverbs 6:16)
There are six things that God does hate; yes, seven are things detestable to his soul: 17 lofty eyes, a false tongue, and hands that are shedding innocent blood, 18 a heart fabricating hurtful schemes, feet that are in a hurry to run to badness, 19 a false witness that launches forth lies, and anyone sending forth contentions among brothers.

(Psalms 97:10)
10Ye that love the LORD, hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints; he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked.

How is it possible that Gods word says this and you don't know it? God has told every Christian to hate evil and wrong doing. He doesn't say that Christians should hate a person but hate the evil or wicked they do and to stay away from them completely.

That kinpa, is what the bible says - if you say that isn't right - then here again you have an argument with God and not me.

yes i have, i have read the bible of almost every religion on the planet, what of it? is that supposed to reinforce YOUR point of view? again, SELFISH, but you shall reap that which you have sown, be certain of it, you wont be resting on the right hand of Jesus, not by any means...

[Kinpa]

Wait a minute ... is Kinpa really David Icke? Citation please.

no actually, david icke? seriously?? um no, actually that idea comes from an Israeli archaeologist who has found a place where neanderthal and homo sapiens co existed, and more than likely, banged each other and cross bred...pretty simple really, what? are you going to spew some bible verses to prove that neanderthal man didnt exist? youre a crack up...

[Kinpa]

Astounding ignorance kinpa -- Jesus only quoted verse from the scrolls (bible) and no other documents. A close study of Jesus’ recorded words reveals that he quoted directly from or referred indirectly to over half of the books of the Hebrew Scripture canon (the Bible). What did you think he was quoting in his Sermon on the mount?

(Luke 4:16-21) 16 And he came to Naz′a·reth, where he had been reared; and, according to his custom on the sabbath day, he entered into the synagogue, and he stood up to read. 17 So the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed him, and he opened the scroll and found the place where it was written: 18 “Jehovah’s spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news to the poor, he sent me forth to preach a release to the captives and a recovery of sight to the blind, to send the crushed ones away with a release, 19 to preach God's acceptable year.” 20 With that he rolled up the scroll, handed it back to the attendant and sat down; and the eyes of all in the synagogue were intently fixed upon him. 21 Then he started to say to them: “Today this scripture that YOU just heard is fulfilled.”


Jesus’ quotations showed his profound reverence for the Word of God (The Bible) and never did he quote from anything else. Jesus never once cited the oral law or some rabbi as an authority. Rather, he viewed God’s Word as the final authority. Again and again, we find him saying: “It is written.” He repeatedly used those or similar words in teaching his followers and in correcting wrong ideas.

1 Peter 2:21
In fact, to this [course] YOU were called, because even Christ suffered for YOU, leaving YOU a model for YOU to follow his steps closely.

Don't you think if Christ quoted the bible insistently as our model you should be too?

John 13;15
For I set the pattern for YOU, that, just as I did to YOU, YOU should do also.

Jesus quoted the Hebrew scriptures (the Bible) over 400 times - that's your example.

In prayer to his Father, Jesus said concerning his disciples: “I have given your word to them.” Then later in the same prayer he added: “Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word is truth.”—John 17:14, 17.
The oral teachings that Jesus gave to his followers were not his own thoughts, but were from his God and Father. He publicly admitted this, saying: “I have not spoken out of my own impulse, but the Father himself who sent me has given me a commandment as to what to tell and what to speak.” (John 12:49; compare John 3:34; 7:16; 8:28; 14:10.)

Hence, the words he personally gave to his followers can correctly be viewed as God’s word and truth, but this did not exclude, but included the Hebrew Scriptures.

Throughout his ministry he quoted from the written Hebrew Scriptures, from Genesis through Malachi. (Matt. 19:5; 11:10) Why, in just what is now Matthew, chapter twenty-two, Jesus quoted from four different places in the Hebrew Scriptures. (Matt. 22:32, 37, 39, 44) We cannot avoid the fact that Jesus considered the Hebrew Scriptures to be inspired.

What is recorded in the books of the Hebrew Scriptures can be seen to be God’s inspired Word for a number of reasons. One reason is that, contrary to human nature, the material is credited, not to the prophet or writer, but to God. In reference to God’s promise to Abraham concerning his seed, we read: “The word of God came to Abram.” (Gen. 15:1) We repeatedly read of the messages as being the word of God. (2 Sam. 24:11; Ezek. 1:3)

The opening verse in Malachi’s prophecy, from which Jesus quoted, reads: “A pronouncement: The word of God concerning Israel by means of Malachi.”—Mal. 1:1.

Because those parts of the Hebrew Scriptures that Jesus quoted were the infallible truth of God’s word, then the whole bulk of the inspired Hebrew Scriptures must likewise be, as Jesus said in John 17:17, “the truth.” So, while Jesus included his oral teachings that are now recorded in the Greek Scriptures when he said, “Your word is truth,” he inescapably embraced the Hebrew Scriptures as God’s Word, by which his disciples must be sanctified.

A large part of Jesus' life was quoting the Bible not degrading it or nullifying it as he told false prophets would try and do. Everything that is known today about Jesus comes from the Bible his "example" left for us follow and to know him by.

Of course I don't think he ever had to deal with dumb and dumber ... Instead of dodging my original question with a easy question -- how about the one I asked to begin with?

wait now, so, youre a jew? yes or no?? you crack me up, astounding ignorance of the Divine...you seem to favor the version that suits you...did you know the jews started out worshipping several gods, yeah, its the truth...you yourself are a pagan, and you dont even realize this fact...

[Kinpa]

No, you have.  You too, have skirted around my last post by drawing the focus upon me, when it is Kilgore I spoke of.  As a Christian, you know what I believe, if you know your Bible.  I use the name of Jesus Christ, based upon the son of God in the Bible.  It's strange to think of a book as just a fable and yet base your beliefs on them, as Kilgore does.

nice try, i skirted no issue for there never was one...ALL of you are quite quick to judge another, and yet not one of you has any experience with God, i swept the dross aside and asked you about the important issue, what experience have YOU had with God, to be able to judge another so? oh, it all comes from reading the bible and believing,. but no experiencing, i see...mow the lawn in your own yard first, before worrying about the state of another's...does another person's differring belifs or experiences scare you THAT much?? youre quite the reactionary, if you werent worried, you wouldnt be so, you would let the others do whatever they believed, and worry about your own soul, but obviously this isnt the case...

[One Revelator]

Brocke posted something interesting related to original topic….

Mystery surrounds Trinidad school 'devil attack'
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?&topic=192425.0

Happened in Trinidad on Nov 11th.

[independentWV]

I see that you trust that 'men' could decide who was to be an apostle, rather than rely on Jesus' own words and appointment through the Holy Spirit.  And if you still don't believe that, then YOU show the scripture where Jesus tells the disciples to choose their own, or did they take it upon themselves?  Jesus chose each of them, personally, He never chose Matthias, men did, why would it be any different for Paul?  Show me scripture where Jesus, Himself, appointed Matthias.

Luke and Acts were originally written in Koine Greek, ("Theophilos"), as it appears therein, means friend of God or (be)loved by God or loving God. In English Theophilos is also written "Theophilus", both a common name and an honorary title among the learned (academic) Romans and Jews of the era. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theophilus_%28Biblical%29

Mathias was chosen by lot Acts 2:26

The practice of casting lots is mentioned 70 times in the Old Testament and seven times in the New Testament. None of the Biblical illustrations of casting lots had to do with games of chance. Every time it was used, the Israelites depended on the Lord 100% to reveal to them His will.

The lot causeth contentions to cease, and parteth between the mighty Proverbs 18:18
The lot is cast into the lap; but the whole disposing thereof is of the LORD Proverbs 16:33

Jesus left the Apostles in charge spent 40 days with them. Acts 1:3  Men that spent 3 1/2 years with Jesus this is one of the requirements for Apostleship Acts 2:22, John 15:27, Acts 10:40-41

Rev. 21:14 twelve apostles of the Lamb

[Ruth]

I gotta hand it to all those 'worshipers' out there.  I mean, turning a conspiracy forum into a religious forum.  That's just 'neat', isn't it?   

[charrington]

What "law" do you speak of ? I live by this simple law that you should be familiar with ; "do unto others as you would have them do unto you". I'm sorry that it seems the only experience you have with God is through the words of others. You prove this by trying to discount experience , why would you do that....? because you have yet to have any for yourself.

No Kilgore I'd tell you that if you have (holy) experiences outside of that defined in the words of Jesus and the scriptures then it's suspect at best. You defy Gods word and say you know better - the bible doesn't back you. So who then do you think is?

[charrington]

You take a verse and with your own mind convert to?

I'd say it's the exact opposite - take the verse and strip it from all other scriptures and say ah ha! Nothing backs it WV.

You never answered me about Rev 22:18,19

[independentWV]

I'd say it's the exact opposite - take the verse and strip it from all other scriptures and say ah ha! Nothing backs it WV.

You never answered me about Rev 22:18,19

Hebrew Version
At that time Yeshuwa' said to Shimeon: "If your brother sins against you, reprove him privately. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother".
16. "If he does not listen to you, reprove him before another; if by every oath he does not listen to you, add still one or two in order that your words might be before two or three witnesses, because by two or three witnesses a word will be established".
17. "If by every oath he does not listen, tell it in the assembly; and if he does not listen to the assembly consider him as ostracized, an enemy and cruel".
18. "Truly I say to you that every oath which you shall bind on earth will be bound in Heaven and every oath which you shall loose on earth will be loosed in Heaven".
19. "Also, I say to you, if two of you wish to make peace on earth, everything which you ask will be yours from my Father Who is in Heaven".
20. "In every place where two or three are gathered together in my name there am I in their midst".

There was nothing out of text except your very own input of satan comments.

You never answered me about Rev 22:18,19

Yes I did, applies only to the book of prophecy which is Revelations. It does not say books does it?

[Kinpa]

No Kilgore I'd tell you that if you have (holy) experiences outside of that defined in the words of Jesus and the scriptures then it's suspect at best. You defy Gods word and say you know better - the bible doesn't back you. So who then do you think is?

God, Itself...

[ekimdrachir]

Who are we to demand ANSWERS we are but DUST under the feet of the Gods.. Foolishness. All this argument is nonsense.

[Kilgore Trout]

No Kilgore I'd tell you that if you have (holy) experiences outside of that defined in the words of Jesus and the scriptures then it's suspect at best. You defy Gods word and say you know better - the bible doesn't back you. So who then do you think is?

Read Closely here:

The bible is an attempt by men to quantify the unquantifiable. It is not the absolute uncorrupted word of God , it is the collected perceptive experiences of regular men who attempted to write down their own thoughts and feelings about what God is. As I've stated , God like Love cannot be known unless experienced personally , no amount of language can accurately describe either. Any attempt to describe God is a description of the instrument we use to observe , which is our subjective perceptive senses.

[charrington]

Read Closely here:

The bible is an attempt by men to quantify the unquantifiable. It is not the absolute uncorrupted word of God , it is the collected perceptive experiences of regular men who attempted to write down their own thoughts and feelings about what God is. As I've stated , God like Love cannot be known unless experienced personally , no amount of language can accurately describe either. Any attempt to describe God is a description of the instrument we use to observe , which is our subjective perceptive senses.

Kilgore, listen to me carefully - that's fantastic you have such a strong belief in your own values - but I don't think any Christian is really interested in what you as a person believes. Make sense?

God like Love cannot be known unless experienced personally , no amount of language can accurately describe either. Any attempt to describe God is a description of the instrument we use to observe , which is our subjective perceptive senses.

Narcissism -- do you really believe that you are the only person here to have experienced Gods love? Get over yourself.

[Kilgore Trout]

Kilgore, listen to me carefully - that's fantastic you have such a strong belief in your own values - but I don't think any Christian is really interested in what you as a person believes. Make sense?

Narcissism -- do you really believe that you are the only person here to have experienced Gods love? Get over yourself.

You obviously missed the point , the point is that it is not I you should believe regarding anything about God , it is yourselves , you account for what God is , it is your subjective perceptions. Now if you have adopted the writing of others as the experience you wish to percieve as real and authentic , by all means feel free , but don't expect others to do so , when some of us have our own authentic experiences from which to draw our understanding of the almighty. Least of all should you concieve that your adopted second hand experiences (bible) are more valid than anyone elses. I must also concede that my experiences are my own perceptions and may not be for everyone , and may also not be "true" or "correct". You see this is what a logical person does , to make concesions based upon reason.

Can you make this concesion? that your beliefs may not be the absolute truth....

[Dok]

Read Closely here:

The bible is an attempt by men to quantify the unquantifiable.

1Co 1:18  For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

 It is not the absolute uncorrupted word of God ,

Luk 4:4  And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

Rev 22:19  And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

 it is the collected perceptive experiences of regular men who attempted to write down their own thoughts and feelings about what God is.

2Pe 1:21  For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

 As I've stated ,

Gen 3:1  Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said,

 God like Love cannot be known unless experienced personally , no amount of language can accurately describe either. Any attempt to describe God is a description of the instrument we use to observe , which is our subjective perceptive senses.


Joh 3:3  Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:4  Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
Joh 3:5  Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6  That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh 3:7  Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Joh 3:8  The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
Joh 3:9  Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
Joh 3:10  Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
Joh 3:11  Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
Joh 3:12  If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
Joh 3:13  And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
Joh 3:14  And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
Joh 3:15  That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Joh 3:16  For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17  For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Joh 3:18  He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Joh 3:19  And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Joh 3:20  For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Joh 3:21  But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Ye Must Be Born Again!

[Kilgore Trout]

The words of men.

[Dok]

The words of men.

The very Words of God

[Kilgore Trout]

The very Words of God

You speak of faith , which is to say only a feeling based upon sensual perceptions. You claim these are the words of God , the God I know is more than the parameters of the words in a book.

[Dok]

You speak of faith , which is to say only a feeling based upon sensual perceptions. You claim these are the words of God , the God I know is more than the parameters of the words in a book.

1Co 3:18  Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
1Co 3:19  For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
1Co 3:20  And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

[Kilgore Trout]

1Co 3:18  Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
1Co 3:19  For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
1Co 3:20  And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

It would be great if you had the character to make ponts that told us about your own experiences.

[Dok]

It would be great if you had the character to make ponts that told us about your own experiences.

Im a sinner and Jesus died for my transgressions.

Rom 8:34  Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

[Kilgore Trout]

Im a sinner and Jesus died for my transgressions.

Rom 8:34  Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Yes , I know you wish to trade the liberty you have to be informed by God through your own heart as to what humanity can be and what God is , for the words in a book that as long as you subscribe , you can have eternal security , that is your shortsighted experience , like I said others have more personal experiences from which to be informed.

You know what has been said about trading liberty for security

[Dok]

Yes , I know you wish to trade the liberty you have to be informed by God through your own heart as to what humanity can be and what God is , for the words in a book that as long as you subscribe , you can have eternal security , that is your shortsighted experience , like I said others have more personal experiences from which to be informed.

You know what has been said about trading liberty for security

Rom 8:21  Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

[Kilgore Trout]

Of course that which binds you portends to give liberty , but what liberty is it to rely not on your own heart , but that of the words in a book to which you must adhere..?

[Dok]

i bet no one wants to hear that the Nephilim were actually neanderthal man lol, they cohabitated and interbred with homo sapiens in Isreal...it must be fun to be able to ignore historical fact for the preference of your own fables and mythology 

still waiting on that answer.

[Dok]

Of course that which binds you portends to give liberty , but what liberty is it to rely not on your own heart , but that of the words in a book to which you must adhere..?

Gal 5:1  Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

[Kilgore Trout]

Rom 8:21  Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

Some of us are already there , you can't see that becasue your sight is too short and corrupted with self bias to see perfection as it is. Take a far enough view , a big enough step out  , see the earth from space , you will not see a flaw , this is the way with all of creation , you don't see because you're too close to yourself and what you percieve as problematic or sinful , ie imperfect.

[Dok]

Some of us are already there , you can't see that becasue your sight is too short and corrupted with self bias to see perfection as it is. Take a far enough view , a big enough step out  , see the earth from space , you will not see a flaw , this is the way with all of creation , you don't see because you're too close to yourself and what you percieve as problematic or sinful , ie imperfect.

Isa 14:13  For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14  I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.


Rom 1:21  Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22  Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23  And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Rom 1:24  Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25  Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.


Joh 3:3  Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

[Kilgore Trout]

Rom 1:21  Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22  Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23  And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Rom 1:24  Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25  Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.


Joh 3:3  Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

I don't think I am wise , I only think that God creates perfectly. After seeing that my ego and self bias is the only thing that actually percieves imperfection , it was revealed to me that all was already as God intended.


I see heaven now and I also see what holds all from seeing it.

[Dok]

I don't think I am wise , I only think that God creates perfectly. After seeing that my ego and self bias is the only thing that actually percieves imperfection , it was revealed to me that all was already as God intended.


I see heaven now and i also see what holds all from seeing it.

Pro 16:4  The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

[dec0der]

Yes there is a Devil and he/they walk this earth with us daily.

Revelation 2:9
I know thy tribulation, and thy poverty (but thou art rich), and the blasphemy of them that say they are Jews,
and they art not, but are a synagogue of Satan.

[Dok]

I see heaven now and I also see what holds all from seeing it.

Isa 14:13  For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14  I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

[Kilgore Trout]

Pro 16:4  The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Selfish Masculinity , ego bias and the worst aspects of the human are always personified by your god.

[Kilgore Trout]

Isa 14:13  For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14  I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

I am like my brother Jesus , God is our father , we are his children , all humanity are in kinship.

[Dok]

Selfish Masculinity , ego bias and the worst aspects of the human are always personified by your god.

Isa 6:3  And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.

Rev 4:8  And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.