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http://current.com/news/92743593_declaration-no-muslims-proven-to-be-involved-in-9-11.htm


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Dear Gordon Duff of Veterans Today,

I would be most grateful if you would be so kind as to publicize the following Declaration and urge readers to endorse it.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/There-is-no-evidence-that-by-Elias-Davidsson-10...

Those who wish to endorse it, send their names, titles/occupation and city of residence to me, at eliasdav@t-online.de.

With my kindest regards and wishes for your work.
Elias Davidsson, Bonn, Germany

DECLARATION ON MUSLIMS AND 9/11
A. On the basis of the study “No evidence that Muslims hijacked planes on 9/11″ by Elias Davidsson (2008), that we have carefully examined, and other similar studies, we undersigned are now convinced that the U.S. authorities did not prove [beyond reasonable doubt*] their account on the mass murder of September 11, 2001, in particular their claim that Muslims/Arabs committed this crime.

B. The presumption of innocence, as a civilised principle, is enshrined in Article 11 (1) of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, according to which, every person “charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law (…)” While the presumption of innocence was particularly drafted to protect the rights of persons already charged of a penal offence, it evidently applies to persons who have not even been formally accused of any offence.

C. On the basis of the above findings, we consider the publication and dissemination of the allegation that Muslim/Arabs committed the mass murder of 9/11, as a grievous and unconscionable form of character assassination. Such an allegation violates the principle of the presumption of innocence. It also violates Articles 1, 3, 5 and 8 of the Declaration of Principles on the Conduct of Journalists of the International Federation of Journalists, the Code of Ethics of the Society of Professional Journalists, the Statement of Principles of the American Society of Newspaper Editors (ASNE), and Resolution 1003 on the ethics of journalism, adopted by the Council of Europe in 1993.

D. We, therefore, call upon journalists to refrain henceforth from attributing, either directly or indirectly, the commission of the mass murder of 9/11 to Muslims or Arabs or to any Muslim or Islamic organisation; to publicise the unreported fact that the U.S. authorities did not produce any evidence of Muslim/Arab participation in the actual mass murder of 9/11; and to publish an apology to the families of those maligned, without foundation, for the mass murder of 9/11.

(*) The requisite standard of proof in US criminal cases

List of Signatories;

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/10/21/declaration-requesting-endorsement-no-mu...

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Re: Declaration: No Muslims proven to be behind September 11 attacks
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2010, 03:19:39 PM »
The comments seem to be focusing on jews, zionists, and isreal for some reason..

Huh? Muslims didn't control the planes?

What planes?

What Muslims?

What valid potentially substantial subject that may lead down the rabbithole to the true explanation behind things..?

Lets all discuss substanceless counter-productive bullcrap!

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Re: Declaration: No Muslims proven to be behind September 11 attacks
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2010, 03:30:34 PM »
Some of the Muslims who played roles in the 9/11 False Flag:

Oussama Abdul Ziade
Abdullah Awad bin Laden
Mousa Abu Marzouk
Yassin al-Qadi
Gamel Ahmed
Soliman Biheiri
Saleh Kamel
Tarek Swaidan
Abdurahman Alamoudi
Hussein Ibrahim
Soliman Biheiri
Muhammed Mubayyid
Suheil Laheir
Yaqub Mirza
Khalid bin Mahfouz

They were all key players with Ptech/BMI/funding/intelligence aspects and likely following orders of the House of Saud, Dick Cheney, Marc Grossman, Stephens, and others.

To deny that not one muslim was behind/involved seems rather racist. It would be like saying no jews were behind/involved. But whatever, Gordon got things right with this article:

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=189381.0
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Re: Declaration: No Muslims proven to be behind September 11 attacks
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2010, 09:34:07 PM »
The comments seem to be focusing on jews, zionists, and isreal for some reason..

Lets all discuss substanceless counter-productive bullcrap!

Stop going off topic!

God forbid that we discuss that these the highjackers were probably not even on those flights due to the f-up passenger lists and reports of them being alive afterwards ect.


Some of the Muslims who played roles in the 9/11 False Flag:

Oussama Abdul Ziade
Abdullah Awad bin Laden
Mousa Abu Marzouk
Yassin al-Qadi
Gamel Ahmed
Soliman Biheiri
Saleh Kamel
Tarek Swaidan
Abdurahman Alamoudi
Hussein Ibrahim
Soliman Biheiri
Muhammed Mubayyid
Suheil Laheir
Yaqub Mirza
Khalid bin Mahfouz

These guys weren't on those flights either.


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Re: Declaration: No Muslims proven to be behind September 11 attacks
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2010, 01:42:49 PM »
God forbid that we discuss that these the highjackers were probably not even on those flights due to the f-up passenger lists and reports of them being alive afterwards ect.

Here is your source for saying they were alive afterwords...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/1559151.stm

But since your own source admitted they were wrong, why is this still your source?

The story, written in the immediate aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, was about confusion at the time surrounding the names and identities of some of the hijackers. This confusion was widely reported and was also acknowledged by the FBI.

The story has been cited ever since by some as evidence that the 9/11 attacks were part of a US government conspiracy.

We later reported on the list of hijackers, thereby superseding the earlier report. In the intervening years we have also reported in detail on the investigation into the attacks, the 9/11 commission and its report.

We've carried the full report, executive summary and main findings and, as part of the recent fifth anniversary coverage, a detailed guide to what's known about what happened on the day. But conspiracy theories have persisted. The confusion over names and identities we reported back in 2001 may have arisen because these were common Arabic and Islamic names

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2006/10/911_conspiracy_theory_1.html

And as for them not appearing on the flight manifests...

So you must have seen the official flight manifests right? Otherwise why would you make the allegation? The passengers themselves prove they were on the plane with their phone calls. Go ahead and say the calls are fake but I will demand evidence for that allegation. I can provide evidence they are not fake if you read on and follow a link.


"The former chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee tells Salon that the White House has suppressed convincing evidence that Saudi government agents aided at least two of the hijackers."
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/09/08/graham

As this video shows Bandar has access to the highest levels of the U.S. Government including the head of the CIA.

"He's got instant access to the CIA, anybody he wants." - Ex CIA R Baer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BryZokrUk5s

Take a look at the video, spot the joos.

In the following video interview from 12-17-01, several months after 9-11, Bandar still claims he was surprised to find out Saudis were involved, and he also explains that thanks to 9-11, what Americans considered to be dissidents are now terrorists, because the wonderful Government of Saudi Arabia is nothing more than the Saudi royal family. After 9-11 anyone against any government(including the Saudi Government)is a terrorist to that government, so in that sense 9-11 was a pretty good deal as far as increasing government control over populations.............

MSNBC Bandar interview 12-17-01
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33iMXVEueMI

Finally he admits(not on American TV)that Saudi Intelligence knew all about the 9-11 hijackers, he should know since his brother in law was the head of Saudi Intelligence at the time, and FBI reports that he was assisting Saudi Agents helping the hijackers.

"Speaking to the Arabic satellite network Al-Arabiya on Thursday, Bandar -- now Abdullah's national security adviser -- said Saudi intelligence was "actively following" most of the September 11, 2001, plotters "with precision."
"If U.S. security authorities had engaged their Saudi counterparts in a serious and credible manner, in my opinion, we would have avoided what happened," he said."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/11/01/saudiarabia.terrorism/index.html

He should know, his brother in law was head of Saudi Intelligernce and Bandar was paying agents assisting the hijackers some claim didn't exist.

"Hijackers Lived With FBI Informant"
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/09/attack/main521223.shtml

So there were not any hijackers on the planes even though the people on the planes told us that there were. And Bandar was funneling money to them with help from his Saudi Intelligence agents?

The informants FBI handler was Steve Butler.....

Several members were "appalled" at what informed sources described as the "explosive" testimony of Special Agent Steven Butler, who recently retired from the FBI after his final posting in the bureau's San Diego field office.

Government officials told U.S. News that Butler disclosed that he had been monitoring a flow of Saudi Arabian money that wound up in the hands of two of the 9/11 hijackers. The two men had rented a room from a man Butler had used as a confidential informant, the sources say. According to officials familiar with his account, Butler said that he had alerted his superiors about the money flows but the warning went nowhere. "Butler is claiming ... that people [in the FBI] didn't follow up," says a congressional source. Adds another: "He saw a pattern, a trail, and he told his supervisors, but it ended there."

In his closed-door appearance on Capitol Hill, Butler described his dealings with a leader in San Diego's Muslim community, a 68-year-old man named Abdussattar Shaikh. In 2000, Shaikh rented a room in his house in a San Diego suburb, Lemon Grove, to Khalid Almihdhar and Nawaf Alhazmi. Almihdhar and Alhazmi helped hijack American Airlines Flight 77, which crashed into the Pentagon. Shaikh did not respond to a phone message.

After Butler testified, Eleanor Hill, the staff director for the 9/11 committee, detailed his statements in a memo to the Justice Department. Justice officials, saying Butler's testimony is classified, declined comment
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/features/saudi_021129.htm

I'm trying to get that declassified BTW

Oh...but the phone calls are fake right?
Wrong....
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=186633.msg1107393#msg1107393

This informant leads straight to Saudi Agents who were being paid by Bush 's buddy Prince Bandar...gee....I wonder why Bush wouldn't allow Senate and congressional investigators to talk to him....any ideas?

"The Administration has to date objected to the Inquiry’s efforts to interview the informant in order to attempt to resolve those inconsistencies. The Administration also would not agree to allow the FBI to serve a Committee subpoena and deposition notice on the informant. Instead, written interrogatories from the Joint Inquiry were, at the suggestion of the FBI, provided to the informant. Through an attorney, the informant has declined to respond to those interrogatories and has indicated that, if subpoenaed, the informant would request a grant of immunity prior to testifying." page 51/858
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/fullreport_errata.pdf

After the FBI informant refused to co operate in the joint inquiry investigation he was rewarded with $100,000.

"Initially the asset was not paid. In July 2003, the asset was given a $100,000 payment and closed as an asset." footnote 197 DOJOIG report
http://www.justice.gov/oig/special/s0606/chapter5.htm

The FBI reports Bandar associates with terrorists including those assisting the 9-11 hijackers....

"4. Associations: Closely associated with {redacted}Ambassador Prince Bandar)." (FBI Document)
http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2002-10-09-FBI-Saudi-Links-May-Be-Conflated.pdf

It's in the congressional record that Bush is a traitor protecting Saudi Arabia....

"Congressional Record: October 28, 2003 (Senate)
The amendment is as follows:
(Purpose: To urge the President to release information regarding
sources of foreign support for the 9-11 hijackers)
At the appropriate place, insert the following:
Sec. . Sense of the Senate on declassifying portions of
the Joint Inquiry into Intelligence Community Activities
Before and After the Terrorist Attacks of September 2001.
(a) Findings.--The Senate finds that--
(1) The President has prevented the release to the American
public of 28 pages of the Joint Inquiry into Intelligence
Community Activities Before and After the Terrorist Attacks
of September 2001.
(2) The contents of the redacted pages discuss sources of
foreign support for some of the September 11th hijackers
while they were in the United States
."

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2003_cr/s102803.html

Bandar has been an international arms dealer for many years. Wars are good for business.

"I can buy you. You can buy me. Everybody has a price. It depends how much." - Prince Bandar Page 161
http://www.amazon.com/Kings-Messenger-Americas-Tangled-Relationship/dp/0...

Martin Indyk worked in the National Security Council and was a former Ambassador to Israel, he's also a Zionist and researcher for AIPAC, so it's funny to see these people point the finger at each other. Yea Bush and Cheney were surrounded by Zionists and Israel was a big benefactor on the "war on terror". But they and the Saudis do agree on some things. They both hated Saddam and they both fear and distrust Iran which is Shiite(Saudi Arabia are mostly Sunnis)

"Indyk remembered a different Bandar, one who was a super-hawk when it came to Saddam. "He was always pushing for the United States to bomb Iraq, much more than Paul Wolfowitz." He was referring to the neoconservative scholar and senior Pentagon official who would later press so hard for the U.S. Invasion of Iraq in 2003. "He wanted us to knock off Saddam." Indyk was convinced the prince had a personal grudge to settle with Saddam. When the State Department had taken away his security detail after Clinton came into office, Bandar had protested vociferously, arguing he needed it because Saddam had taken out a contract to have him killed. Also, Saddam had tried to assassinate his favorite U.S. president, George H.W. Bush, while he was visiting Kuwait after leaving office in April 1993. So the prince couldn't wait for the U.S. bombs to fall." page 137
http://www.amazon.com/Kings-Messenger-Americas-Tangled-Relationship/dp/0802716903

"Prince Bandar, for example, was extremely close to the first President Bush and the entire Bush family; in his book about the war in Iraq, Plan of Attack, Bob Woodward reported that President Bush alerted Bandar to the timing of the 2003 invasion before he notified Secretary of State Colin Powell." Page 189
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0743270665/centerforcoop-20#noop

Bandar, who according to the official story is assisting terrorist agents who are helping the hijackers is basically a member of the Bush Administration:

"Subsequently, on January 11, Rumsfeld, Cheney and Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Richard Myers met in Cheney's office with Prince Bandar, the Saudi ambassador to the United States."
"At that meeting, Myers showed Prince Bandar, the Saudi ambassador, a map labeled "top secret noforn," meaning that it was not to be seen by any foreign national, Woodward told CBS."
"The map outlined the U.S. battle plan for Iraq, which was to begin with an air attack, followed by land invasions moving north from Kuwait and south from Turkey, according to the book."
"Two days after the meeting with Bandar, on January 13, Bush met with Powell in the Oval Office to inform his chief diplomat that he had decided to go to war."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/18/woodward.book/



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Re: Declaration: No Muslims proven to be behind September 11 attacks
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2010, 03:35:55 PM »
Hmm...interstsing. Your post jimd3100, represents the third attack on me in this thread, as well as false accusations and misrepresentations on what I posted.

All of the sudden, I feel that this forum is no longer a friendly place for me as a platform for open and honest exchange of information.

Bush, Cheney, and Bandar appreciate your assistance on their 9-11 cover up.

No problem, send them my regards.

Here is your source for saying they were alive afterwords...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/1559151.stm

Really? Are you sure that's my source, or is that a strawman disinfo tactic that you are trying to play here, since I never even gave you a source to begin with.

I didn't post the BBC article, YOU posted the BBC article.

I respectfull ask that you refrain from using strawman disinformation tactics on me. It's very insulting to someone who has been a member here at the forums for as longs as I have.

The Joos did 9-11 is a set up and a trap. Get out of it or you only help with the cover up.

Who mentioned "the Joos" in this thread first?

Was it  rio who mentioned Joos in this thread? Or was it jimd3100, Dig and SUPREMEMASTER who first brought up Joos, and then blamed rio for blaming Joos as yet another attemp to indirectly accuse rio of being an anti-Semite?

Here is the abstract from what I originally posted, before you guys got all off topic about joos and and other strawmen.

Abstract: The United States government has alleged that 19 individuals with Arab names,
deemed fanatic Muslims, hijacked four passenger planes on 11 September 2001 and crashed
them in a suicide-operation that killed approximately 3,000 people. In this Note, the author
shows that there is no evidence that these individuals boarded any of these passenger planes.
Absent such evidence for over six years, the official account of 9/11 must finally be exposed
as a lie.

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Re: Declaration: No Muslims proven to be behind September 11 attacks
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2010, 03:54:51 PM »
***edit***

Ok, Perhaps the BBC article is used as a source in the paper, but even if the BBC did retract the artitcle, it only lends credibility to the argument that the original FBI suspect list is bunk because the FBI had to continually revise their suspect list.


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Re: Declaration: No Muslims proven to be behind September 11 attacks
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2010, 10:17:42 PM »
Hmm...interstsing. Your post jimd3100, represents the third attack on me in this thread, as well as false accusations and misrepresentations on what I posted.

I didn't mean it to seem like an attack.

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Really? Are you sure that's my source, or is that a strawman disinfo tactic that you are trying to play here, since I never even gave you a source to begin with.

Yes, I'm pretty sure the BBC is the original source. I've looked into this. The BBC and NY Times both reported it, there was confusion on the names, but Arabs were involved. All the name's were Arab Muslim names. The hijackers weren't Swedish.

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I didn't post the BBC article, YOU posted the BBC article.


Yes, to show the source of the Hijackers still alive IMO misinformation.

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I respectfull ask that you refrain from using strawman disinformation tactics on me. It's very insulting to someone who has been a member here at the forums for as longs as I have.

I'm not, I'm showing everyone the source for what we are talking about.

Who mentioned "the Joos" in this thread first?

Was it  rio who mentioned Joos in this thread? Or was it jimd3100, Dig and SUPREMEMASTER who first brought up Joos, and then blamed rio for blaming Joos as yet another attemp to indirectly accuse rio of being an anti-Semite?

Here is the abstract from what I originally posted, before you guys got all off topic about joos and and other strawmen.

Fair  enough, it probably has to do with the title of this thread, and assumption on my part, in any case I've removed the parts you objected to and agree it was uncalled for. Israel certainly benefited no ones arguing that but absolute proof of the U.S. Government covering up elements of Saudi Government involvement is important to point out, not ignore. Have you had the chance to review the information posted?


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Re: Declaration: No Muslims proven to be behind September 11 attacks
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2010, 10:19:33 PM »

These guys weren't on those flights either.

Are you saying that someone had to be on the flight to be behind the 9/11 attacks? This is the argument? You do realize that 2 planes did not cause 3 buildings of a total of over 260 stories of steel/concrete to implode into dust and separate erector set shaped cuts of steel beams in 26 seconds right?
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Re: No evidence that Muslims hijacked planes on 9/11
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2010, 10:38:18 PM »
The title of this thread was changed to more accurately summarize the issue that is being claimed. Hope that helps.
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Re: What evidence is there that the accused patsies hijacked planes on 9/11?
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2010, 11:40:36 PM »
9/11 - The Face of State Terrorism
Post by bigbunny on Mar 19, 2005, 7:02pm

No Arabs on Flight 77:
Part II -The Passengers
By Thomas R Olmsted, M.D.

A word from the Editor & Chief:

The Gentlemen who conducted the research and original report on Flight 77 is a Naval line officer and a psychiatrist in private practice in New Orleans, a Christian and homeschool dad (his words). This article went under heavy review and editing by the Sierra Times staff before publishing to provide as much documented events possible from other news reports and web sites..

As part I of "No Arabs of Flight 77" received wide review, we suspect Part II may do likewise. In these two articles, we try not to jump to conclusions, nor point the finger in any direction for the sake of our own integrity. Only to present evidence from issues that raised questions shortly after 09.11.01.

As the Sierra Times has done in the past, we welcome any government official of authority to give us their side of this story. In the form of a press release, we would print in full. A full accounting from the government, and American Airlines could clear this matter. Dr. Olmsted nor the Sierra Times has yet to obtain that proof.

This is a very serious matter in very serious times. The Sierra Times believes that as we Americans now receive daily reports about our loved ones making 'the ultimate sacrifice' in the middle east and elsewhere, we also have a right to know why.

The Sierra Times has not changed its course. We are Americans. We have always asked for a full accounting of what happened on September 11, 2001 and those responsible and all that support them brought to swift and mighty justice...

...who ever they are.

J.J. Johnson - Sierra Times.com

In part I of No Arabs on Flight 77, I presented evidence from the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology (AFIP), that there were no Arabs on American Airlines Flight 77. This doesn�t really jibe with the official story, so someone isn�t telling the truth. This list itself is suspect because there is a special group of �bone guys� that are called in whenever the government needs an �adjustment� to their story.

About "bone guys": No, we're not talking folks that hang around secret Ivy League fraternaties. On May 31, 2002, the Washington Post had this to say about 'bone guys':

"...When remains of the Waco dead or 9/11 Pentagon victims or Desert Storm casualties -- or most recently Chandra Levy -- need to be studied, the bone guys at the Smithsonian are called in. The bone guys read skeletons like intricate topological maps. Sometimes they can make identification from a skull fragment the size of a quarter. They can read race in the teeth and gender in the brow. They can tell you who had an asymmetric nose. They can tell you who may have been a factory worker, because bones grow more pronounced to accommodate certain muscles, and who may have been a weaver or a tailor, based on grooves in the teeth where thread was held...."

In other words, these were the fellows who helped tidy up the government�s story at Waco and are �studying� the Sept 11th remains as well.

By now you have probably heard that many of the �hijackers� named by the FBI are alive and well. The Information Times, an on-line publication, reported that Saudi Arabia's Foreign Minister Prince Saud Al-Faisal told the Arabic Press after meeting with President George W. Bush on Sept. 20: "It was proved that five of the names included in the FBI list had nothing to do with what happened."

According to The Orlando Sentinel, the Saudi Arabian embassy confirmed that four of the five mentioned by Al-Faisal -Saeed Alghamdi, Mohand Alshehri, Abdul aziz Alo mari and Salem Alhazmi-are not dead and had nothing to do with the heinous terror attacks in New York and Washington. (source: Christopher J. Petherick - American Free Press)

From photos of all of those that perished on that flight, it is clear that none are even "Arab looking" This seems to rule out Arabs sneaking aboard under assumed names.

If you are familiar with Operation Northwoods (see Body of Secrets by James Bamford or thumbnail description here) then you know that the National Security Agency (NSA) has both the will and ability to orchestrate an �operation� such as Sept 11th if they decided it was for the �greater good.� Not saying that they choose to conduct September 11 attack, but they clearly have the ability. According to Bamford, "Operation Northwoods" was not planned by any �rogue element� but proposed by General Lemnitzer, himself, and then thankfully spiked by President Kennedy. Think also of FDR�s foreknowledge of Pearl Harbor as exposed by Robert Stinnett in his book Day of Deceit. Stinnett actually agrees with FDR�s decision to allow it to happen.

Brush up on the Luisitania hoax, the USS Liberty cover-up, the Gulf of Tonkin fiction, and the Gulf War I falsified satellite photos, etc. if you are not convinced that government officials are capable of stretching the truth (for our own good, of course).

It is very hard to keep a secret of this gravity. One possible way to cut down chatter is to eliminate as many witnesses as possible, preferably during the crime itself.

Critics of �conspiracy theorists� have tried to nullify talk of remote controlled planes as being the talk of lunatics. Global Hawk (Raytheon) is a large military aircraft that has flown 7000 miles without a pilot as discussed in this Air Force public affairs article, and is being widely used in the current Iraq war.

They also make large commercial planes for FedEx that fly by remote control as reported by the Associated Press. The �success� of this operation depended on the planes reaching their destination. Would the planners (be they Arab or otherwise) trust poorly trained �pilots� when this technology was at their disposal?

Reported only in a Portuguese newspaper, The Portugal News Weekend Edition (May 8, 2002) , a group of US pilots deliberated non-stop for 72 hours in an independent analysis of the 911 story. The inquiry stated, �The so-called terrorist attack was in fact a superbly executed military operation carried out against the USA, requiring the utmost professional military skill in command, communications, and control.� Captain Kent Hill USAF Ret, a friend of Chuck Burlingame (the pilot of Flight 77), confirmed the ability of flying aircraft from the ground. An ex Vietnam fighter pilot said, �Those birds either had a crack fighter pilot in the left seat, or they were being maneuvered by remote control.�

And now for the passengers:

The following information is gathered from many sources posted on the Internet.

Dong Lee, Ruben Ornedo, and Chad Keller all worked for Boeing. Lee also worked for the NSA. Stanley Hall, �the dean of electronic warfare,� (along with Peter Gay, David Kolvacin, and Kenneth Waldie on other flights), worked for Raytheon.
Re: 9/11 - The Face of State Terrorism
Post by bigbunny on Mar 19, 2005, 7:02pm


William Caswell was a particle physicist who worked for the Navy. His job was so classified that his family had no clue as to what he did and did not know why he was flying to California.

Charles Droz, LCDR USN Ret, was a software developer for EM solutions (manufacturer of Wide Area Networks).

Robert Penniger worked for BAE Systems, (�an industry leader in flight control systems�), whose Board is comprised of many from the intelligence community. BAE has apparently removed their Board of Directors page, but it list a "who's who" of high level connections to the CIA, DARPA, and NSA.

The Outside Directors list read as follows:
[The following Outside Directors were not on Flight 77]

Richard J. Kerr
former Deputy Director of Central Intelligence

Mr. Kerr served in the U.S. Intelligence community for 32 years - from September 1960 until March 1992. He started as a country analyst in the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and ended his career as the senior professional intelligence officer in the U.S. government serving as Deputy Director of Central Intelligence.

Dr. William Schneider, Jr.
former Under Secretary State for Security, Science and Technology

Prior to serving on the board, Dr. Schneider was formerly Under Secretary of State for Security Assistance, Science and Technology (1982-1986). He served as Associate Director for National Security and International Affairs at the Office of Management and Budget (198l-2) prior to being nominated as Under Secretary by the President.

Dr. Robert S. Cooper
former Director, DARPA

Dr. Cooper is currently President, CEO, Director and co-founder of Atlantic Aerospace Electronics Corporation. From 1981 to 1985, Dr. Cooper was Assistant Secretary of Defense for Research and Technology and simultaneously held the position of Director for the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA). As Assistant Secretary, he was principal advisor to the Secretary of Defense on the allocation of Department resources to research, exploratory development and advanced development projects.

General Anthony C. Zinni (Ret)
former Commander-in-Chief, CENTCOM

Gen. Zinni was formerly Commander-in-Chief, U.S. Central Command. While in the Marine Corps he held numerous command and staff assignments that include platoon, company, battalion, regimental, Marine expeditionary unit, and Marine expeditionary force command. His staff assignments included service on battalion, regimental, division, base, and service staffs in operations, training, special operations, counterterrorism, and manpower billets. Gen. Zinni most recently served as the United States Special Envoy to the Middle East.

General Kenneth A. Minihan (Ret)
former Director National Security Agency; Central Security Service

LtGen Minihan served more than thirty-three years of active commissioned service to the nation before retiring from the U.S. Air Force in 1999. On his final tour of duty, he served as the 14th Director of the National Security Agency/Central Security Service, a combat support agency of the Department of Defense with military and civilian personnel stationed worldwide. As Director, he was the senior uniformed intelligence officer in the Department of Defense. He also served as the Director of The Defense Intelligence Agency.

Robert L. Prestel
former Deputy Director, National Security Agency

Mr. Prestel served as Deputy Director of the National Security Agency (NSA) from 1990 - . He was the senior civilian presiding over this Defense Agency whose principal missions are the production of foreign Signals Intelligence and the protection of official U.S. Government communications and information systems.
[Didn't want to you get confused about who were the fallen passengers]

Back to More Passengers

Robert Ploger and his wife were added �late� to the original CNN passenger list. He is the son of Major General Robert R Ploger USA, Ret, another �flag� link. The other �late� addition was Sandra Teague, a physical therapist at Georgetown University Hospital.

John Sammartino and Leonard Taylor worked at Xontech (missile defense), another company connected to the intelligence community, also with ties to Boeing.

Vicki Yancey worked for Vreedenberg Corp, yet another company connected to the intelligence community. Her father describes her death as a �planned murder.� Her widower works for Northrup-Grumman.

Mary Jane Booth was in a position to know what was going on at Dulles Airport as secretary for American Airlines general manager.

John Yamnicky, 71, Capt USN Ret, was a defense contractor for Veridian who had done a number of �black ops,� according to his son.

The physicians, lawyers, biotech representatives, and �human interest� victims who were aboard, could also provide important clues, but in the interest of space, we will save for future consideration.

Many readers recall a particular Fox Television TV show called �The Lone Gunman� which was aired on March 2, 2001. In the show, the bad guys control a passenger airplane by remote control with intentions of flying it into the World Trade Center. The villains were from the arms industry; the motive being to inflame the public and thereby increase arms sales to use against �terrorists.� Life indeed imitates art. Here is the synopsis:

It has been reported that some people were warned not to fly that day. One was reported to be Mayor Willie Brown of San Francisco. Another was Muslim author Salman Rushdie. The person on that flight MOST likely to be warned was Robert Speisman. He was an executive at Lazare Kaplan, a diamond merchant, and son in law of Maurice Templesman. Templesman was Jackie Kennedy�s long time lover and is highly connected accoring to Time Magazine. Time also reported about about his �special access� to the National Security Council. He has also �stepped out� with Madeleine Albright.

I attempted on three occasions to obtain a final passenger list from American Airlines. They refuse to give a list and in fact won�t even verify that they gave the first list to CNN. Since the list is in the public domain, I find it curious that they would not take ownership nor provide a current, �correct� list.

Would it even be necessary to �lure� all expendables onto the designated death flights? Why not just grab those you want to get rid of and then slip them into the pile later? Have you seen an interview with the check-in personnel for the flights who can tell us who actually got on any of these flights? Not a chance. In fairness, Washington, D.C. and it's suburbs draw a great number of contractors for the military and intelligence communities in their normal course of business. It may be mere coincidence that these passengers were all on the same flight; however; the government refuses to release information which would relieve our concerns.

I am interested in corresponding with family members who know the truth.

Thomas R. Olmsted. M.D.
Re: 9/11 - The Face of State Terrorism
Post by bigbunny on Mar 19, 2005, 7:06pm

Now Updated: No Arabs on Flight 77: Part II -The Passengers

I am an ex Naval line officer and a psychiatrist in private practice in New Orleans, a Christian and homeschool dad. It troubled me a great deal that we rushed off to war on the flimsiest of evidence. I considered various ways to provide a smoking gun of who and why Sept 11th happened. Astute observers noticed right away that there were no Arabic sounding names on any of the flight manifests of the planes that �crashed� on that day.

A list of names on a piece of paper is not evidence, but an autopsy by a pathologist, is. I undertook by FOIA request, to obtain that autopsy list and you are invited to view it below. Guess what? Still no Arabs on the list. It is my opinion that the monsters who planned this crime made a mistake by not including Arabic names on the original list to make the ruse seem more believable.

When airline disasters occur, airlines will routinely provide a manifest list for anxious families. You may have noticed that even before Sep 11th, that airlines are pretty meticulous about getting an accurate headcount before takeoff. It seems very unlikely to me, that five Arabs sneaked onto a flight with weapons.
This is the list provided by American of the 56 passengers:

On September 27th, the FBI published photos of the �hijackers� of Flight 77:

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology (AFIP), does a miraculous job and identified nearly all the bodies on November 16th 2001.

The autopsy list:
http://www.sierratimes.com/03/images/foia/foia-10002-sm.jpg
http://www.sierratimes.com/03/images/foia/foia-10003-sm.jpg

The AFIP suggest these numbers; 189 killed, 125 worked at the Pentagon and 64 were �passengers� on the plane. The AA list only had 56 and the list just obtained has 58. They did not explain how they were able to tell �victims� bodies from �hijacker� bodies. In fact, from the beginning NO explanation has been given for the extra five suggested in news reports except that the FBI showed us the pictures to make up the difference, and that makes it so.

Now, being the trusting sort, I figured that the government would want to quickly dispel any rumors so we could get on with the chore of kicking Osama/Sadaam�s butt (weren�t these originally two different people?). It seemed simple to me. . .produce the names of all the bodies identified by the AFIP and compare it with the publicized list of passengers. So, I sent a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to the AFIP and asked for an expedited response, because we were getting ready to send our boys to war on the pretext that Osama/Sadaam had done the deed. Fourteen months later, a few US soldiers dead, many Iraqi civilians pushing up daisies, and I finally get the list. Believe me that they weren�t a bit happy to give it up, and I really have no idea why they choose now to release it.

No Arabs wound up on the morgue slab; however, three ADDITIONAL people not listed by American Airline sneaked in. I have seen no explanation for these extras. I did give American the opportunity to �revise� their original list, but they have not responded. The new names are: Robert Ploger, Zandra Ploger, and Sandra Teague. The AFIP claims that the only �passenger� body that they were not able to identify is the toddler, Dana Falkenberg, whose parents and young sister are on the list of those identified. The satanic masterminds behind this caper may be feeling pretty smug about the perfect crime, but they have left a raft of clues tying these unfortunates together. Stay tuned for part two to take a much closer look of the cast of characters on this ill-fated flight.

http://www.sierratimes.com/03/07/02/article_tro.htm



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Re: What evidence is there that the accused patsies hijacked planes on 9/11?
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2010, 11:48:28 PM »
Just curious. How much DNA evidence and or bodies were found at the crash sites were found of passengers aboard the aircraft?

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Re: What evidence is there that the accused patsies hijacked planes on 9/11?
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2010, 08:29:58 PM »
None.  9/11 was nothing more than a NWO false-flag operation.