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« Reply #200 on: November 23, 2010, 06:37:33 PM »

In my zeal, I didn't make it clear that I wasn't accusing all institutions as hell-bent on taking homes, but I do stand by my post. While you took it as a generalization, I do believe I am correct when it comes to banks and how many are handling foreclosures. They are literally scrambling now to cover their tracks. Surely you can admit that much.

You(lawyer?) and your firm are indeed part of the real estate system, you just operate under different rules under different circumstances, but it's still a part of the real estate industry, even as a hired contractor in the deal. I mean come on, you know the deal. I'm no lawyer, but I have learned about law as a result of searching the scriptures and the Levitical Law in the bible and comparing life with God to life without God in the world. The world I believe lives "under the law" in the form of all kinds of secular rules, regulations, and laws, so it has been my desire to learn a bit about law seeing people tend to be legalistic. Jesus said for us to be "wise as serpents and harmless as doves".


Thank you for your remarks.  It has been a very busy, long week and I may have been a little terse.  It was unintentional.  Anyway, I agree that our system is not perfect.  But, if we were to conduct business in the manner set out by the Constitution, it would work and has worked...right up until the time the Fed started allowing banks to loan more than they had 'on deposit'.

No, I am not a lawyer, I am a paralegal.  I have been working in the real estate industry for about ten years.  I conduct title searches and our office writes title insurance for real estate closings.  I KNOW a lot of banks are involved in practices, concerning foreclosures and mortgages, that are not only unethical, but illegal.  I do admit that I work in the system, however, that does not mean I am 'worked by the system', in other words, our office follows the law and we do not waiver.  I think because we also write title insurance, we are more conscious of real estate law and cannot deviate, that would endanger our status as a title agent.

From a title viewpoint, the MERS situation has created extreme havoc on the system.  Even before the issues were 'discovered' we have been dealing with them for years.  The paperwork is shotty, at best, and the way in which they pursue foreclosure is just evil.  Smaller banks, and even some of the larger ones (i.e. SunTrust, for example) do endeavour to do the right paperwork.  But, when you start looking at some of the large banks (Citi group), they give me the shivers.  When I come across a Citi mortgage that we have to get a payoff on or that should have been released years ago...it is a nightmare!  Nobody knows what is going on, when you call, you always get the 'run around'.

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« Reply #201 on: November 24, 2010, 02:59:29 AM »

Your welcome.

Ah, paralegal. I actually considered that profession once upon a time. A very interesting type of job, legally speaking. Kind of a legal "tweener". Your not a lawyer, but your not common folk either, legally speaking! Wink

I can only imagine the things you see in your position and industry. While I have religious reasons, I also didn't pursue law in some way because I really didn't think I could maintain my composure around all the heartless things that go on in law. I think evil is indeed the appropriate word. I believe that if one is going to live in a world of law, then follow that law or get out. It defeats the whole purpose of the rule of law. I realize that some consider "legal wrangling" as some kind of sick sport, but come on. The hard part to swallow is the reality that it isn't about guilt or innocence, but which side can win their case. A prosecutor may brag about not having lost a single case, but the real question is how many guily people did he actually get convicted? The flip side being of all those cases won, how many were actually innocent? People need to take a look at the Innocence Project by Barry Scheck to get a gut-wrenching taste of reality in our legal system.  http://www.innocenceproject.org/

I recently saw a show about the PhenFen diet lawyers and how they ripped off the members of their class action for over $100 million. And the thing is, the court had approved them to be paid $60 million! But that wasn't enough for those thugs, so they lied and cheated for more.

Interesting you mention Suntrust. I've had accounts with them years ago. Can't say that I have any memories of bad dealings with them(though back then I didn't know any better), but they are still a bank, so by definition as a Fed buddy, they are an enemy to the public as much as any bank.
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« Reply #202 on: November 24, 2010, 10:56:53 AM »

The fact of the matter is, THAT LARGE ZOMBIE BANKS THROUGH GREED OF PARAMOUNT PROPORTIONS HAVE CONTRIVED AN ILLEGAL SYSTEM SET UP TO STEAL HOMES, AND MAKE BOOKOOS OF MONEY COMING AND GOING..........
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« Reply #203 on: November 24, 2010, 11:03:51 AM »

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Interesting you mention Suntrust. I've had accounts with them years ago. Can't say that I have any memories of bad dealings with them(though back then I didn't know any better), but they are still a bank, so by definition as a Fed buddy, they are an enemy to the public as much as any bank.

SunTrust some time ago was found to have algorithms that would delay the depositing of funds before a pending transaction that would cause a negative balance and result in egregious fees....... I actually confronted the manager of the local branch that I banked at, some yrs ago, that I had detected irregularities in how my transactions were processed.... he had no explanation, yet I had determined mathematically what they were up to, and attempted to explain it to this undereducated goon... while these assholes were studying Finance, aka highway robbery, I learned problem solving skills as an engineer....
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« Reply #204 on: November 24, 2010, 11:10:42 AM »

The fact of the matter is, THAT LARGE ZOMBIE BANKS THROUGH GREED OF PARAMOUNT PROPORTIONS HAVE CONTRIVED AN ILLEGAL SYSTEM SET UP TO STEAL HOMES, AND MAKE BOOKOOS OF MONEY COMING AND GOING..........

And one of the reasons they're having such a ridiculously easy time economically ass-raping the masses is that the latter have been conditioned almost from birth to blindly and mindlessly "dismiss the idea that powerful people might get together and actually plan anything."

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« Reply #205 on: November 24, 2010, 11:26:16 AM »

And one of the reasons they're having such a ridiculously easy time economically ass-raping the masses is that the latter have been conditioned almost from birth to blindly and mindlessly "dismiss the idea that powerful people might get together and actually plan anything."

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Even as I watch students tangle with the riot police here in London, austerity supporters are whining that "they already get too much and waste the money on alcohol".  Roll Eyes If that isn't wilful ignorance then I don't know what is.
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« Reply #206 on: November 24, 2010, 06:07:12 PM »

SunTrust some time ago was found to have algorithms that would delay the depositing of funds before a pending transaction that would cause a negative balance and result in egregious fees....... I actually confronted the manager of the local branch that I banked at, some yrs ago, that I had detected irregularities in how my transactions were processed.... he had no explanation, yet I had determined mathematically what they were up to, and attempted to explain it to this undereducated goon... while these assholes were studying Finance, aka highway robbery, I learned problem solving skills as an engineer....

You are right about the delay in depositing funds.  We currently have our real estate trust account with them (I would love to change it).  As our office handles real estate closings...we receive the certified funds from the purchaser and it has to run through our trust account and we cut a check to the seller...all in one day.  Last year SunTrust decided that the funds we deposit are no longer available for at least 24 hours!  When I contacted them to explain that this is a 'trust account', we are bonded and have E&O insurance (errors and omissions) and our transactions must be completed in the same day, he suggested that we 'float' the money in our account to cover it.  I stated that it was against RESPA law for us to do so.  He didn't seem to care.  I did check around with numerous other banks and they all now have the same policy.  This means that we have to use wire transfers for almost all transactions because they are the only ones that are available the same day. 

As you said, this practice is only to make money on the fees.  Another way to 'gouge' you, since sending AND receiving a wire costs us between 40-55 dollars.
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« Reply #207 on: November 25, 2010, 04:02:59 AM »

Typical banker attitude. The question then is since a bank has policy that is intended to either save or make money, how much do they make by holding funds for 24 hours? If they are profiting from holding deposits, by what authority can they use other people's money in that manner without compensating the depositor? And if they are not making money on it, just how is that money handled and why?

Fair questions for an institution that is regulated by the federal govern...oh wait, the Federal Reserve is a private company that has Congress in their back pocket so they do what they want seeing they regulate themselves now.
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« Reply #208 on: November 25, 2010, 08:57:43 AM »

Typical banker attitude. The question then is since a bank has policy that is intended to either save or make money, how much do they make by holding funds for 24 hours?

Let's think about this for a minute...on one million dollars, at 6%, if my calculations are right, they would make approx. 165 dollars...multiply that out by the millions and millions that they 'hold' for 24 hours, each day...builds in a hurry!  Creates a hell of a 'float' for them!
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« Reply #209 on: December 01, 2010, 04:51:18 PM »

Foreclosuregate and The Great MERS Whitewash Bill

by Mark on November 30, 2010 · 0 comments

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To boil down Foreclosuregate into one sentence, it is the transfer of mortgages between financial institutions and investors, while securitizing loans into bonds, without the proper paperwork and signatures required to legally document ownership. And this has resulted in numerous lawsuits filed on behalf of homeowners in foreclosure.

The company that tracks who owns what is a private company named Mortgage Electronic Registration System (MERS). Sixty-six million mortgages are registered in the MERS system.

Lobbyists are now on Capital Hill pushing legislation to affirm MERS as the standard for tracking mortgages. If this were to happen, the industry could get rid of all the Foreclosuregate lawsuits with congress’ implicit approval, Americans would be left with weakened property rights, and banks would be affirmed as America’s largest real estate holding companies.

Congresswoman Marcy Kaptur (D-OH), on the Oversight Government Reform Committee, isn’t keen on letting this happen, as she questions the efficiency and loyalties of the MERS mortgage system and associated issues. On MSNBC with host Dylan Ratigan, she says, “[MERS] was invented by the most powerful financial players in the country while regulators were asleep at the wheel.”

There is some great information in this video, beyond MERS, and it’s a definite Must See.

Let us leave you with this great quote from Thomas Jefferson that Ratigan pulled up for this segment:

“I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.”

http://www.economiccollapse.net/foreclosuregate-and-the-great-mers-whitewash-bill
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Lest we forget:  this thing is probably like Dracula.  For all I know it is gettign ready to rear its ugly head again.  Good idea to keep an eye on this.

Get ready for Round 3, maybe.

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« Reply #210 on: December 01, 2010, 08:28:33 PM »

Foreclosuregate and The Great MERS Whitewash Bill

by Mark on November 30, 2010 · 0 comments

in Economy,Freedom,Government,Housing

To boil down Foreclosuregate into one sentence, it is the transfer of mortgages between financial institutions and investors, while securitizing loans into bonds, without the proper paperwork and signatures required to legally document ownership. And this has resulted in numerous lawsuits filed on behalf of homeowners in foreclosure.

The company that tracks who owns what is a private company named Mortgage Electronic Registration System (MERS). Sixty-six million mortgages are registered in the MERS system.

Lobbyists are now on Capital Hill pushing legislation to affirm MERS as the standard for tracking mortgages. If this were to happen, the industry could get rid of all the Foreclosuregate lawsuits with congress’ implicit approval, Americans would be left with weakened property rights, and banks would be affirmed as America’s largest real estate holding companies.

Congresswoman Marcy Kaptur (D-OH), on the Oversight Government Reform Committee, isn’t keen on letting this happen, as she questions the efficiency and loyalties of the MERS mortgage system and associated issues. On MSNBC with host Dylan Ratigan, she says, “[MERS] was invented by the most powerful financial players in the country while regulators were asleep at the wheel.”

There is some great information in this video, beyond MERS, and it’s a definite Must See.

Let us leave you with this great quote from Thomas Jefferson that Ratigan pulled up for this segment:

“I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.”

http://www.economiccollapse.net/foreclosuregate-and-the-great-mers-whitewash-bill
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Lest we forget:  this thing is probably like Dracula.  For all I know it is gettign ready to rear its ugly head again.  Good idea to keep an eye on this.

Get ready for Round 3, maybe.



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« Reply #211 on: December 06, 2010, 06:07:23 PM »

Classic dis-info psyop piece... be prepared to throw your laptop....

“MERS PREVAILS IN THE SHOW ME STATE” ACCORDING TO FORECLOSURE MILL ATTORNEY…”

http://foreclosureblues.wordpress.com/2010/12/06/mers-prevails-in-the-show-me-state-according-to-foreclosure-mill-attorney/


Early decisions were disappointing for both lenders and MERS. The problem has escalated to the point that, in some jurisdictions, if a borrower articulates a defense that begins, "This is a MERS loan," courts throw out the fundamental legal concepts that support a mortgage foreclosure. However, recent key victories discussed below may finally put an end to the attacks against MERS.

Round one to Bellistri

In Bellistri v. Ocwen Loan Servicing, Bellistri, a tax-sale purchaser, brought a quiet title action against the taxpayer and deed-of-trust assignee. The court granted judgment for Bellistri. On appeal, the lender argued that Bellistri failed to comply with the statutory requirements for notice of redemption. The lender also argued it had standing to make the challenge, because it was the assignee of a deed of trust from MERS as nominee for the original lender.

The court decided that whether a lender has an interest in real property for purposes of standing hinges on evidence of who holds the promissory note. The only evidence of note ownership was the MERS assignment of the deed of trust, which purported to assign the deed of trust "together with any and all notes." The court found this insufficient due to the lack of evidence that MERS had authority to transfer the note. Without any separate evidence that the lender held the promissory note, the court held the lender did not have standing to challenge the quiet title aciton.

The Box-ing continues

Cases that followed and cited Bellistri were equally disappointing. The Western District of Missouri Bankruptcy Court weighed in on MERS and the issues of standing for motions for relief from the automatic stay in In re Box. Box arose out of a lender’s motion for relief from an automatic stay. The lender that sought relief was not the original lender on the note or deed of trust, and accordingly, the trustee objected to the lender’s standing to bring the motion.

Despite an assignment of the deed of trust from MERS to the lender and a promissory note endorsed in blank, the trustee alleged there was not enough evidence to prove the lender had standing. The court relied on Bellistri in finding that the case turned on whether the lender had possession of the original promissory note. The court decided that the copy of the endorsed note in blank with an affidavit that simply recited that the lender was the “holder” of the original note was insufficient proof of actual possession of the note. As such, the court denied the motion for relief.

Box imposes an extremely burdensome requirement: the production of original promissory notes. Such an imposition is contrary to the requirements set forth for a motion for relief in 11 USC 362(g)(1). However, Box is more important for the road map created by the court for future litigation in the jurisdiction regarding MERS. Foreclosure counsel practicing in this jurisdiction should take heed of the following excerpt from the decision, as the court has yet to take up whether a MERS mortgage is split from the promissory note:

“This Order does not go further than necessary, and specifically does not decide whether the structure of MERS is fatally flawed under Missouri law, because it splits the note and deed of trust between different entities. I am well aware that there would be far-reaching consequences from such a determination on creditors holding what they believed were mortgage loans, and also on debtors, who may or may not be able to obtain new financing in order to purchase their homes from the estate at current value. Therefore, I would hope to decide those issues in a proceeding in which the promissory note is produced and in which evidence is offered as to the relationship between MERS and lenders for whom it purports to act, as well as the powers granted to it by them. Such evidence might include, for example, an agency agreement, if one exists.”

Cases outside the jurisdiction also caught on to Bellistri. Landmark National Bank v. Kesler (Kansas, 2009), which gained national attention for its discussion of MERS, owes some of its reasoning to Bellistri. Landmark cites Bellistri for the proposition that a MERS mortgage may be split from the underlying promissory note, thus making both the note and mortgage unenforceable. While the citation to Bellistri was secondary and irrelevant to the ultimate holding of Landmark, that portion of the opinion is frequently cited as a defense against foreclosures and bankruptcy actions.

Moreover, Landmark left unclear whether MERS needed to be named as a defendant and served with notice in foreclosure proceedings. This uncertainty threatened a fundamental aspect of MERS’ business model, in that when MERS is served with a legal proceeding, MERS accesses its system to locate the current lender and notify it of the lawsuit.

MERS KO’s Bellistri

The momentum against MERS picked up after the Bellistri and Box cases. Counsel for borrowers considered MERS to be “on the ropes.” These decisions were particularly frustrating, because MERS was not a party to the litigation; however, the decisions had a significant impact on MERS’ business. In an effort to resolve the troubles caused by Bellistri, MERS filed a complaint in the Eastern District of Missouri against Bellistri, seeking to set aside the tax deed. MERS asserted that Bellistri violated MERS’ due-process rights by failing to give MERS notice of its redemption rights. Both parties filed motions for summary judgment.

On July 1, the court entered judgment for MERS, finding that (1) Bellistri violated state law by failing to notify MERS of its right to redeem the property, (2) Bellistri’s failure to provide MERS with notice of its redemption rights also violated MERS’ rights of procedural due process under the Fifth and 14th amendments to the U.S. Constitution, and (3) the collector’s deed issued to Bellistri is null and void.

The 29-page judgment elaborates extensively on the development and business model of MERS. The MERS-friendly set of facts appears to be due - in part, at least - to a procedural error by Bellistri in failing to controvert MERS summary judgment facts, thus deeming all to be admitted and uncontroverted.

Is MERS turning the corner?

The victory over Bellistri is not the only cause for celebration as of late. MERS’ efforts are paying off and may secure its critical role in the servicing industry. In Kansas, due to the uncertainty left by the Landmark v. Kesler decision, MERS focused its efforts on passing legislation to amend the Kansas Rules of Civil Procedure. House Bill 2656, which became effective July 1, amended the rule regarding contingently necessary parties to a civil proceeding. Kansas Statute 60-217 now makes it clear that, in any action that would determine title or affect a mortgage on real property, MERS must be named as a party and served with process.

In Arizona, a borrower brought suit against the original lender’s successor and MERS, alleging that by identifying MERS as the nominee on the deed of trust, the deed of trust had been split from the note, rendering both “fatally defective” (Ciardi v. Lending Co. Inc. (Arizona, 2010)). In dismissing the suit, the court noted that the borrower alleged no facts to support its “splitting” theory and that the plain language of the deed of trust appoints MERS as the nominee for the lender and its “successors and assigns.”

Even when pitted against the third-party bankruptcy trustee, MERS has prevailed as of late. In In re Jessup (Eastern District of Kentucky Bankruptcy Court), the bankruptcy trustee attempted to avoid a mortgage lien based on a similar theory as in the Ciardi case. In Jessup, the trustee argued invalidity of the mortgage, because the lender offered no proof of a “written nomination of MERS to act as mortgagee.”

In granting the lender’s motion for summary judgment, the Eastern District of Kentucky found that extrinsic evidence of MERS mortgagee status was not necessary because the language in the mortgage was clear in defining MERS’ role. The court also upheld an assignment of the mortgage from MERS to the current lender, despite a question as to the authority of the signee who had been inadvertently left off the corporate resolution for signing authority.

Although the boxing is over in Missouri, MERS is sure to go several more rounds throughout the country. In order to stay on the winning side, lenders need to continue to adapt their procedures and policies to timely provide foreclosure counsel with documents and information. Likewise, foreclosure counsel must continue to update their archive of case law with favorable decisions, such as the ones cited in this article. With a united front in defending these challenges, MERS will knock out claims left and right, eventually finding itself in a permanent place of victory.
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« Reply #212 on: December 07, 2010, 02:43:45 AM »

No need to throw anything. Just take a deep breath and read that article again.

Everything about it is negative, in favor of MERS and the industry as a whole. But when you look closer at each case cited, it's not the victory they'd like to claim. All of those cases were "won" out of basically proceedural mistakes by the other parties. I don't see any of those cases setting any kind of solid presedence for this whole mess.

Consider that it is a right to know about litigation on something that your legally bound to, so Bellistri did indeed deny MERS by his action of not notifying MERS of the action on the deed he was taking. Notification swings all ways. That was Bellistri's mistake and should have known better. Who knows, maybe Bellistri took a legal dump, seeing that was really a silly mistake. It's not the disaster that the article trys to make it sound.

And the changing of the law in Kansas so that MERS is notified isn't a loss either. That's just clarifying what should already be a part of aboveboard business. Now if your looking to take advantage of somebody, then you might not like the new law. Now it still remains questionable as to whether MERS even has any legal place to begin with due to "splitting" of note and deed questions, but obviously they are involved, and their claims would have to be challenged in court anyway, most likely case-by-case, which I suspect MERS wouldn't want, so like MERS has already done, I think they'll go after politicians and the changing of the rules angle while trying to keep from loosing their backsides in court.

Besides, what's missing in the article? There is nothing positive for the homeowner. It's all doom and gloom, and the industry is presented as the victor. Bull. This whole deal is FAR from over, yet has a quite simple basis that needs to be determined in each foreclosure case; did the parties involved take legal shortcuts in their handling of the mortgage? Does MERS or anybody else have legal claim to the deed? Was the original note transfered each time legally? Bottom line, who has legal claim to foreclose?
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