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« on: October 11, 2010, 11:25:07 AM »

You gotta love the "Thunder Heart" of Russell Means This is a must listen interview!

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« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2010, 11:27:37 AM »

This is a great interview!! 

Russell said, (paraphrasing) "Americans are proof that history repeats itself!"  So very true!!   Cry

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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2010, 12:06:24 PM »

My husband & a co-worker were talking about how everyone, regardless of race, is getting screwed by middle and upper management & corporations & the government. My husband is part Native Indian & German, the co-worker is African-American. The co-worker said: "Everyone's being screwed with; the upper class gets it just like we do, yeah, we're all getting f*cked dry!"
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« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2010, 12:10:17 PM »

You gotta love the "Thunder Heart" of Russell Means This is a must listen interview!

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I do love Russell  Grin

I hope the interview gets put up all over quick.
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« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2010, 12:12:42 PM »

The discussion reminds me of a line in the old proverbial short poem by Martin Niemoller:

"In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up."-- by Martin Niemöller, prominent German anti-Nazi theologian and Lutheran pastor, best known as the author of the poem First they came....
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« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2010, 01:08:09 PM »

This is a great interview!!  

Russell said, (paraphrasing) "Americans are proof that history repeats itself!"  So very true!!   Cry

YES!

And it is repeating on the same land it happened before, beginning in earnest over 150 years ago.

In May 1995 The folks at the American Indian Movement (AIM), sent a representative to see what we were up to in Colorado with the 10th Amendment State sovereignty movement.  Please forgive me, but I cannot remember his name.  Suffice it to say, he was well spoken and of a stature and humility that left those of us in the office speechless in his presence.  

The day he arrived was toward the end of session, it was a month after the Oklahoma City bombing, yet we were still hard at it in the State Capital working to spread the 10th Amendment solution. This Indian man had come to the Capital to speak with Rep. Charlie Duke... but more importantly he had come to the Capital to consecrate our Constitutional effort in the cause of liberty, freedom, and justice, with a Lakota Blessing.  

Being part American Indian myself and having grown up understanding the meaning of this honor, I was ecstatic.  Since it was well into the afternoon we went to the West Capitol entrance, into the cloud skipping sun, onto the broad west steps facing the front range of the Rockies. With medicine pouch in hand and eagle feather held into the wind this Lakota man began his prayer.  His words were clear spoken without a hint of timidity or trepidation, they came straight from his heart, he blended his offering with such creative style and universality, that when he was through the dozen or so who had gathered to partake pronounced, "Amen."  

It rose goose bumps as I held a small pocket tape recorder as close to him as possible without being intrusive to record this moment for the future. The recording is among my hundreds of hours of recorded documents made during that time.  

Like I said, his name escapes my memory right now, but I have the recording, and a record of his visit which has his name in it. Once I have all of my research in my possession I will dig it out.  The point is it was a most unique visitation, and Russell Means being on of the show today rekindled my memory of that afternoon 15 years ago, sparked into memory when Russell stated that the Constitution and it's protected rights is the Law in the Republic of Lakota.  (goose bumps rise)...

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awful roar of its waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may
be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it will
be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand... It never
did... and it never will... Find out just what the people will submit to,
and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong
which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they
are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of
tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."

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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2010, 01:10:02 PM »

I agree the interview was awesome!
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« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2010, 07:24:36 PM »

I remember when he ran for president years (and years) ago. Can't wait to check out the interview on the podcast.
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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2010, 07:34:52 PM »

YES!

And it is repeating on the same land it happened before, beginning in earnest over 150 years ago.

In May 1995 The folks at the American Indian Movement (AIM), sent a representative to see what we were up to in Colorado with the 10th Amendment State sovereignty movement.  Please forgive me, but I cannot remember his name.  Suffice it to say, he was well spoken and of a stature and humility that left those of us in the office speechless in his presence.  

The day he arrived was toward the end of session, it was a month after the Oklahoma City bombing, yet we were still hard at it in the State Capital working to spread the 10th Amendment solution. This Indian man had come to the Capital to speak with Rep. Charlie Duke... but more importantly he had come to the Capital to consecrate our Constitutional effort in the cause of liberty, freedom, and justice, with a Lakota Blessing.  

Being part American Indian myself and having grown up understanding the meaning of this honor, I was ecstatic.  Since it was well into the afternoon we went to the West Capitol entrance, into the cloud skipping sun, onto the broad west steps facing the front range of the Rockies. With medicine pouch in hand and eagle feather held into the wind this Lakota man began his prayer.  His words were clear spoken without a hint of timidity or trepidation, they came straight from his heart, he blended his offering with such creative style and universality, that when he was through the dozen or so who had gathered to partake pronounced, "Amen."  

It rose goose bumps as I held a small pocket tape recorder as close to him as possible without being intrusive to record this moment for the future. The recording is among my hundreds of hours of recorded documents made during that time.  

Like I said, his name escapes my memory right now, but I have the recording, and a record of his visit which has his name in it. Once I have all of my research in my possession I will dig it out.  The point is it was a most unique visitation, and Russell Means being on of the show today rekindled my memory of that afternoon 15 years ago, sparked into memory when Russell stated that the Constitution and it's protected rights is the Law in the Republic of Lakota.  (goose bumps rise)...

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"Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation,
are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want
rain without thunder and lightning, they want the ocean without the
awful roar of its waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may
be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it will
be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand... It never
did... and it never will... Find out just what the people will submit to,
and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and wrong
which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue until they
are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of
tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."

~Frederick Douglass (1857)



I got goose bumps just reading your story!   Wink

I wanted to share this story being it is Columbus Day...

Why AIM opposes Columbus Day and Columbus Day Parades

by Glenn Morris and Russell Means


When Taino Indians saved Christopher Columbus from certain death on the fateful morning of Oct. 12, 1492, a glorious opportunity presented itself. The cultures Europe and the Americas could have merged, and the beauty of both races could have flourished.

Unfortunately, what occurred was neither beautiful nor heroic. Just as Columbus could not, and did not, “discover” a hemisphere that was already inhabited by nearly 100 million people, his arrival cannot, and will not, be recognized as a heroic and celebratory event by indigenous peoples.

Unlike the Western tradition, which presumes some absolute concept of objective truth, and consequently, one “factual” depiction of history, the indigenous view recognizes that there exist many truths in the world and many legitimate recollections of any given historical event, depending on one’s perspective and experiences.

From an indigenous vantage point, Columbus’ arrival was a disaster from the beginning. Although his own diaries indicated that he was greeted by the Taino Indians with the most generous hospitality he had ever known, he immediately began the enslavement and slaughter of the Indian peoples of the Caribbean islands. As the eminent Columbus biographer Samuel Eliot Morison admits in his book, Admiral of the Ocean Sea, Columbus was personally responsible for enslavement and murder of indigenous peoples. He was personally responsible for the design and operation of the encomienda system that tied Indians as slaves to the lands stolen from them by the European invaders.

As detailed in the American Heritage Magazine (October,1976), Columbus personally oversaw the genocide of the Taino Indian People of what is now Haiti and the Dominican Republic. Consequently, this murderer, despite his historical notoriety, deserves no recognition or accolades as a hero; he deserves no respect as a visionary; and he is not worthy of a state or national holiday in his honor.

Defenders of Columbus and his holiday argue that indigenous peoples unfairly judge Columbus, a 15th century actor, by the moral and legal standards of the late 20th century. Such a defense implies that no moral or legal constraints applied to individuals such as Columbus, or countries, in 1492. As Roger Williams details in his book, The American Indian in Western Legal Thought, not only were there European moral and legal principles in 1492, but they largely favored the rights of indigenous peoples to be free from unjustified invasion and pillage by Europeans.

Unfortunately, the issue of Columbus and Columbus Day is not easily resolvable with a disposition of Columbus, the man. Columbus Day as a national, and international, phenomenon reflects a much larger dynamic that promotes myriad myths and historical lies that have been used through the ages to dehumanize Indians, justifying the theft of our lands, the attempted destruction of our nations, and the genocide against our people. Since the 15th Century, the myth of Columbus’ discovery has been used in the development of laws and policies that reek of Orwell’s doublespeak: theft equals the righteous spread of civilization, genocide is God’s deliverance of the wilderness from the savages, and the destruction of Indian societies implies the superiority of European values and institutions over indigenous ones.

Columbus Day is a perpetuation of racist assumptions that the Western Hemisphere was a wasteland cluttered with savages awaiting the blessings of Western “civilization.” Throughout the hemisphere, educational systems perpetuate these myths – suggesting that indigenous peoples have contributed nothing to the world, and, consequently, should be grateful for their colonization and their microwave ovens.

As Alfred Crosby, Kirkpatrick Sale, and Jack Weatherford have illustrated in their books, not only was the Western Hemisphere a virtual ecological and health paradise prior to 1492, but the Indians of the Americas have been responsible for such revolutionary global contributions as the model for U.S. constitutional government, agricultural advances that currently provide 60 percent of the world’s daily diet, and hundreds of medical and medicinal techniques still in use today.

If you find it difficult to believe that Indians had developed highly complex and sophisticated societies, then you have been victimized by an educational and social system that has given you a retarded, distorted view of history. The operation of this view has also enabled every country in this hemisphere, including the U.S., to continue its destruction of Indian peoples. From the jungles of Brazil to the highlands of Guatemala, from the Chaco of Paraguay to the Supreme Court of the United States, Indian people remain in a perpetual state of danger from the systems that Christopher Columbus began in 1492.

Throughout the Americas, Indian people remain at the bottom of every socioeconomic indicator, we are under continuing physical attack, and are afforded the least access to economic, political, or legal redress. Despite these constant and unbridled assaults, we have resisted, we have survived, and we refuse to surrender any more of our homeland or to disappear into the romantic sunset.

To dignify Columbus and his legacy with parades, holidays and other celebrations is intolerable to us. As the original peoples of this land, we cannot, and will not, countenance social and political festivities that celebrate our genocide. We are embarking on a two- pronged campaign in the quincentenary year to confront the continuing racism against Indian people.

First, we are advocating that the divisive Columbus Day holiday should be replaced by a celebration that is much more inclusive and more accurately reflective of the cultural and racial richness of the Americas. Such a holiday will provide respect and acknowledgement to every group and individual of the importance and value of their heritage, and will allow a more honest and accurate portrayal of the evolution of the hemisphere. It will also provide an opportunity for greater understanding and respect as our societies move ahead into the next 500 years. Opponents to this suggestion react as though this proposal is an attack on ancient time-honored holiday, but Columbus Day has been a national holiday only since 1971 – and in 1991, hopefully, we can correct the errors of the past, moving forward in an atmosphere of mutual respect and inclusiveness.

Second, and related to the first, is the advancement of an active militant campaign to demand that federal, state, and local authorities begin the removal of anti-Indian icons throughout the country. Beginning with Columbus, we are insisting on the removal of statues, street names, public parks, and any other public object that seeks to celebrate or honor devastators of Indian peoples. We will take an active role of opposition to public displays, parades, and celebrations that champion Indian haters. We encourage others, in every community in the land, to educate themselves and to take responsibility for the removal of anti-Indian vestiges among them.

For people of goodwill, there is no better time for the re-examination of the past, and a rectification of the historical record for future generations, than the 500th anniversary of Columbus’ arrival. There is no better place for this re-examination to begin than in Colorado, the birthplace of the Columbus Day holiday.
Russell Means and Glenn Morris wrote this position statement on behalf of the:

American Indian Movement of Colorado
1574 South Pennsylvania St.
Denver, Colorado

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