Government Seizes Newborn Baby Over Political Beliefs Of Parents [Oathkeepers]

[JINXT333]

It never ceases to amaze me how so many people have the ability to rationalize pure and simple evil.Just amazing isn't it? I dont care for all this petty semantic bullshit its so elementary.If the newborn was snatched based on something entirely different then why, WHY IS THERE POLITICAL AFFILIATIONS WITH THE OATHKEEPERS RELEVENT TO THE STATES CASE AGAINST THEM ITS SO OBVIOUS FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!  

[Guns Equal Freedom]

There has been no mention of recent drug test anywhere.  Honestly, its like you are grasping at straws to see things from the state's twisted point-of-view.

WTH, guns?

Nah, that drug test for women after pregnancy wasn't my thought, but I heard it from somebody else though.

The only thing else that I can think of why they would put "associated with Oathkeepers" down is just gives the police officers something to think about when they have to fulfill the state taking custody of the kids.

I'm sorry if I don't always agree with you guys. I mostly do. I just like to keep an open mind is all.

[Satyagraha]

The Kidnapping of Cheyenne Irish (Updated, 10/9)
http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2010/10/kidnapping-of-cheyenne-irish.html
FRIDAY, OCTOBER 8, 2010


"Happy birthday. You're property of the State."

This is the message that was given to Cheyenne Irish, the newborn daughter of New Hampshire residents Jonathan Irish and Stephanie Taylor, who was literally stolen from her parents hours after her birth on October 6.

While there are reportedly some "very serious" criminal allegations involved in this matter, the focal point of the case should be this: Among the reasons cited by New Hampshire's child "protection" directorate as supposed justification for the seizure of Cheyenne was the fact that "Mr. Irish associated with a militia known as the, [sic] `Oath Keepers,' and had purchased several different types of weapons including a rifle, handgun and taser."

"Whether or not the charges against Mr. Irish are true, this action is entirely unconstitutional and represents a very dangerous precedent," Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes, a practicing defense attorney, pointed out to Pro Libertate.  "Using this man's political views and alleged affiliations to define parental suitability in any way is entirely illegitimate, and a direct threat to the rights of parents who are political activists of any kind."

This is hardly the first time law enforcement officials and social workers have cited "political extremism" to justify severe and extra-constitutional sanctions against people who have not been convicted of an actual crime.

Just a few months ago, police in Salem County, Massachusetts arrested an innocent man named Gregory Girard on palpably fraudulent criminal charges because his wife -- acting as a dutiful collectivist drone -- reported that he had developed "extremist" political views.

Those unsanctioned opinions, coupled with legal firearms purchases, led to Girard's arrest and detention as a "danger to the community" -- but he was never formally charged or prosecuted. He was simply taken into Soviet-style administrative detention while the local members of Lavrenti Beria's fraternity -- that is, the county prosecutor and judge -- tried to devise a criminal charge to justify his imprisonment.

After Girard spent four months in jail without a criminal charge,  his case was eventually "dismissed without a finding." He was designated a "ward of the court," compelled to undergo routine psychiatric evaluation and treatment, and notified that he could be arrested and subjected to indefinite detention at any time such action was deemed suitable by his persecutors.

This was done to Girard because he was classified to be what law enforcement organs in the Soviet Union called a "socially dangerous person." This same calculus appears to have been used to justify the government kidnapping of Cheyenne Irish -- a much graver crime, given that it involved not merely the seizure of a man's means of self-defense, but of his newborn child.

Cheyenne "wasn't even 16 hours old when they came in and stole her from us," reports her father Jonathan. The head of security at Concord Hospital "had a nurse come in while Cheyenne was sleeping [who] lied to us that they just wanted to take her to the nursery to see the doctor to be discharged. Even though I said NO to have the doctor come in the room they took her anyway.... I followed [them] out to the nursery because I didn't want my daughter out of my sight, as we were walking out I saw several gentlemen wearing suits with detective badges and my gut just started wrenching."

"They rushed her into the nursery and locked her in," Jonathan continues. "[W]hile I was talking to one of the other nurses the head of security comes up behind me, grabs my arm and starts walking me down the hall saying `you need to keep an open mind, you need to just hear them out' and he just kept repeating himself ignoring my questions as to who `they' were."

How typical of an agent of government aggression to be accusing the victim of "intolerance" even as the crime is in progress. This little touch is a variation on the police tactic of bellowing "Stop resisting!" to a helpless victim at the bottom of a thugswarm.

"When he got me in Stephanie's hospital room and sat me down on the couch the police department and DCYF [Division of Children, Youth and Family services -- that is, the child-snatcher apparat] showed up. Three uniformed patrol officers and 3-4 detectives with 2 DCYF social workers walked in the room.... [One] of the patrolmen asked if he could pat me down. I said NO, not giving my consent.... The officer grabbed my wrist, bent it behind my back and stood me up and proceeded to pat me down anyway."

After seizing a pocketknife and cigarette lighter and asking if Jonathan had "any other weapons" -- officer safety uber alles, you know -- the childnappers "gave us a fabricated affidavit ... telling us they were taking custody of our newborn daughter."

Jonathan was then informed that he would be shadowed, Stasi-style, by a "security officer." When contacted by Pro Libertate at approximately 3:45 MST on October 8, Mr. Irish was being forced to leave the Concord Hospital parking lot pursuant to a "notice" he had been sent by the local police.

"I received a phone call a while ago telling me to go to a website" -- that is, a Facebook page -- "where a group of people had taken it on themselves to organize a protest and rally," Irish recounted to Pro Libertate. "I was then sent a document by the Concord Police that said I wouldn't be allowed to go inside the hospital, or even be in the parking lot, unless it involved a medical emergency, otherwise it would be considered `criminal trespass.'"

Irish refers to Cheyenne's mother, Stephanie Taylor, as his fiancee. The affidavit mentions that the couple had been under DCYF scrutiny "for approximately 21 months ... in a case involving two children of Stephanie Taylor; neglect petitions were filed on January 7, 2009 and a Termination of Parental Rights trial was recently concluded as to these two children...."

For reasons not specified in the document, Irish was "ordered to attend Ending the Violence with Scott Hampton; however, to date, has not completed this program." (Remember this point; we'll return to it anon.) The police complain that they have "responded to multiple calls" involving Irish and firearms, which resulted in "a pending charge for possession of a concealed weapon without a permit." It was in the context of that trivial paperwork matter that the affidavit mentioned Irish's "association" with the Oath Keepers, which was misrepresented in the affidavit as a "militia."

The Oath Keepers is an organization of current and retired law enforcement and military personnel who have pledged not to carry out patently unconstitutional orders. The group's founder, Stewart Rhodes, emphasizes that it encourages lawful, peaceful non-cooperation, rather than armed insurrection, as a way of interposing against the all-encompassing criminal assault by the Regime against individual rights.

Had an Oath Keeper been present at Concord Hospital on October 6, he would have refused to be party to the criminal abduction of Cheyenne Irish.

The "association" referred to in that document consists of occasional involvement by Irish and his fiancee in an on-line discussion group involving the Oath Keepers. Mentioning this tenuous connection served the immediate interests of the child abduction bureaucracy, since it created a caricature of the father as a potentially dangerous "extremist." But it also serves the long-term interest of the Homeland Security bureaucracy by using Jonathan Irish as an indispensable defendant in a potentially precedent-setting case.

"I know practically nothing about Jonathan Irish," Stewart Rhodes of the Oath Keepers told Pro Libertate. "Whatever we learn about his problems, the real question is this: Why was such prominent mention made of his political beliefs and supposed affiliations?"

If Mr. Irish is a legitimate criminal suspect -- as opposed to a troubled parent who is considered a political criminal -- why wasn't he taken into custody? Why was  he left relatively free, while his newborn daughter was wrenched from her mother and father through deliberate deception and the threat of lethal force?

The Oath Keepers have been targeted by the so-called Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), an immensely profitable leftist "watchdog" group run by the degenerate fraud named Morris Dees. Through an illicit relationship with law enforcement agencies, both federal and local, the SPLC has become deeply involved in an effort to indoctrinate police (as well as educators and social workers) regarding the ubiquitous menace of "anti-government extremism." Rhodes points out that the SPLC, a nominally private group that is unaccountable to the public, is a member of the "Homeland Security Advisory Council" (HSAC) which published a report on domestic "radicalization" and "extremism" last Spring.

(More)

[citizenx]

Nah, that drug test for women after pregnancy wasn't my thought, but I heard it from somebody else though.

The only thing else that I can think of why they would put "associated with Oathkeepers" down is just gives the police officers something to think about when they have to fulfill the state taking custody of the kids.

I'm sorry if I don't always agree with you guys. I mostly do. I just like to keep an open mind is all.

I know, guns.  That's why I used an "H" instead of an "F" in "WTH".

But, listen if that was the case why was it listed on the change of venue order too?

It really does seem as if you are bending over backwards to rationalize/justify this egregious injustice.

I'm a parent, and a vocal truther/anti-globalist as you can see.  This could be my kid from what I can see.

I take this extremely seriously, as do the Oath Keepers, apparently.  Thank God.



BTW,

I'm ex-military.  I can totally identify with the goals and aims of this organization even if I am not (yet) a member.

It does not appear to be anything like a militia.  That claim is utter horse$hit from what I can see.

Oh, and one more thing, Guns_equal_freedom --

They will take my child FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS.

Fu#% these aholes.

Enough is enough.

[Guns Equal Freedom]

I think we all can agree upon that they took the kid from the mother way too soon, at least give the mother a day or two to see what was living inside her for nine months before the court felt it had to do something about the kid.

That right there I think was wrong.

[citizenx]

OK, Well, good.  I think any reasonable person could see a definite rush to judgment here -- Waco-style.

"What about the children!"

Exactly, nothing was going to happen to that kid one more day in the hospital.  Did they even determine medically it didn't need to be hospitalized further and could safely be given to a foster family so soon?  this case raises so many questions and red flags?

I'll bet they broke about a hundred laws and a hundred of their own regulations.

It will all come out in the wash.

Again, this thing stinks.

[JINXT333]

citizenx AMEN BROTHER! I am so pissed off at the bs and doubletalk it makes me sick to my stomach that some people find an excuse to rationalize the crimes of illuminati secret police (hell lets call it out for what it is) I know im venting and ranting but ladies and gentlemen this case is so important not only legally but a deeply spiritual level. I truly believe in my gut,my most primal instinct tells me and others that this is a highly sophisticated psyop designed to break the will of the patriot movement,a test if you will to analyze how free humanity will respond to this tyranny and evil.But in the end all of what I have said really doesnt matter the most important is this innocent child being safely returned to the mother.I know this can be averted,I truly believe if we all pull together we can help this mother have her child returned.my thoughts and prayers go out to the family.BUT LET US REMIND OURSELVES THAT IF WE DO NOT STAND TOGETHER WE HANG SEPARATELY
WE WILL DEFEAT THEM!!!
NWO YOU WILL FAIL!!!
YOU WILL FAIL!!!
YOU WILL FAIL!!!

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[jshowell]

He is the father, the separated husband has nothing to do with it. They did not catch the separated husband at the house. They wrote that the reason the father is not an acceptable guardian is because he is a member of oathkeepers.

That was the only reason.

This is 100% bullshit and exposes that not only are CPS a total national security threat, but the surveillance economy has become so perverted, they create this Nazi state of guilt by assossiation to those committed to defend our government from anti-government, anti-constitutional threats.

SURVEILLANCE ECONOMY EXPOSED
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=186953.0

The "state" as you say is not the "state" it is a corrupt institution of family pseudo-courts (not part of the constitutional court system) which were created by eugenecists for the purpose of eliminating the power of lower class society. The Eugenics Records Office is on record as creating this mind set. They were founded by Carnegie/Rockefeller/Ford:

**UNCOVERED: Cutting Off the Defective Germ-Plasm in the American Population
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=179303.0

Which again was created to force sterilizations in the 1920's as part of the eugenics agenda. This is the agenda which Hitler used to help murder millions of "unfit parasites". What makes you think this anti-government, anti-constitutional faux-court system is any different?

Once they admit that the inclusion of oathkeepers was wrong then the faux-state, faux-court system is guily of kidnapping, child abuse (removing a 16 hour old baby from its parents is abuse), child endangerment, and maybe 100 other crimes. If thousands of other babies get snatched for Dyncorp this way then people should be aware of what a clear and present danger to national security this eugenics system infiltrating our country is.

I really hope the Nazi eugenecists realize hat the previous Nazis were all sold out by the Queen bitches. No one wins in the New World Order, once they complete one step in their insane pyramid, they trash those that helped them. That is exactly what Churchill and Truman under the orders of the royals and banksters did in Dresden. George Orwell and Kurt Vonnegut came out of Dresden and that is what drove them to expose the end games by these eugenecist freaks.

No one has explained why the father cannot have custody of his own child.

No one has explained why the baby was kidnapped at the hospital.

No one has explained why they did not give custody to a family guardian from the beginning even if there was a perceived issue.

Maybe this will be the test case to reverse decades of abuse by the family court and cut through all the bureaucratic red tape, but I don't think taking this case to the supreme court will get the baby back to the parents any sooner.  

If I was John and Stephanie I would have found any trusted relative to claim guardianship of the baby.  I haven't heard any mention of that in any of their communications.  If they don't do that then I predict the baby will most likely become a ward of the state.  If my baby was kidnapped by the state I would forego all the grandstanding BS and just try to get my baby back in a legal way.  First a paternity lawsuit by John Irish (you can get paternity kits online from sites like this:  https://www.gtldna.net/paternitytest.html?src=google&gclid=CKXp35zHyKQCFQY65QodJScAjA)

Once the baby's back and they're all safe then I'd fight against the state.  They have no cards to play if their baby is still in the kidnappers hands.      

[jshowell]

I haven't seen these two stories posted yet:  
http://www.nhinsider.com/richard-olson-jr/2010/10/9/dcyf-rightfully-deserves-our-suspicions.html

Thursday, October 7, 2010, The New Hampshire Division of Children, Youth and Families  went to Concord Hospital and took custody of a newborn baby girl not even 24 hours after its birth.  The parents were not afforded the opportunity to be heard by a judge, consult a with a lawyer or confront any evidence against them.  As with many other cases, the DCYF makes a bunch of assertions in an affidavit, and  a judge signs an order ex parte.  

Shawn Wickham reports in the Union Leader's Saturday Edition, details of  an abuse and neglect petition filed by division officials.  the affidavit supporting the petition alleges "significant mental health and safety concerns" involving "all parents" that remain unaddressed;"  a pending parental rights termination action pending a decision;  (Stephanie)Taylor's  "failure to recognize the impact of domestic violence in her life and the potential danger it poses to a newborn baby; "That,  (Johnathon) Irish "has not acknowledged any responsibility and is a significant safety risk to an infant in his care;" and that, "the infant's health and safety is in imminent danger if left in the care of" either Taylor or Irish..."

It all sounds very bad.  And without fail, the usual cadre of ignorant social apologists weighed in, in the reader comment section following the Union Leader story attacking and passing judgment on both Taylor and Irish as bad parents. Fortunately, there were far more people who expressed mistrust and  suspicion of DCYF and rightfully so.  The Child Protection Act has emerged as little more than a Star Chamber and the fact is there are many cases like this in New Hampshire that are not in the public eye.

http://www.theunionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=State+takes+infant,+spurs+protest&articleId=3cd6180a-5ce6-4f58-9483-ef5ae2329cbc

Their battle with DCYF dates back to January of last year, Taylor said, when the state welfare agency took her other two children, boys who are now 2 and 3, for alleged abuse and neglect.

The boys currently live with a foster family, and Irish said he was told baby Cheyenne will go to live with the same family for now.

*************************

Looks like they've had it rough since at least January, I wonder what sparked the first removal of their children.  From the court documents it appears John Irish was supposed to go to End the violence sessions after the two children were taken which he never attended.  I'm guessing he was targeted as the son of a prominent bike gang leader in the area-Sons of Liberty Riders. I'm trying to find the actual court documents about David Taylor but nothing's coming up.  

[Dig]

I honestly don't know what side to believe.

There is no "side" to "believe".

The Dyncorp operatives came in and snatched a 16 hour old baby from its parents. Where is there any side?

I might not be a genius, but something doesn't add up.

Yes, after over 20 explanations on every miniscule detail of this issue, your blatant "confusion" into what it means for a corporation like Dyncorp to have the power to snatch a 16 hour old baby from its parents does not add up.

If your wife wants a divorce, and you "refuse to sign the divorce papers", could that possibly mean, "the guy thinks it is his kid that was just born"?

Well then he probably should seek some kind of test to find out. What the hell does that have to do with the Dyncorp child slavery institute having the power to mislead judges with fraudulent claims in order to rip babies out of their mother and father's arms and then demonize the parents based on a bunch of bullshit?

This story gets more interesting everyday.

The denials get more absurd every hour.

What about her two other children.

What about them, they are not his child.

I would be fighting to get them back before considering having another child!

What does that have to do with Dyncorp coming over and ripping a child out of the mother and father's arms? Does your personal belief about your ability to control the activity in your organs mean that the Dyncorp paid off operatives have the right to just rip out babies from hospitals like it was their own child slavery factory?

I think there are important elements missing from this story.

Yes, we are missing the payoffs by Dyncorp, the assassinations of the whistle blowers, the IBM analytics that does comprehensive searches on all pregnant mothers to find out which babies are "ripe" for the Dyncorp farm workers. We are missing so, so, so very much.

This is why I always wait for the rest of the story to come out.

Go ahead and wait, we have heard the interview and seen the documents. A baby was ripped out of its parents arms, that is very clear. It was done by using Oath Keepers as an excuse to do it, that is doubly clear. Every second that Dyncorp forces the state to stop justice is another second that millions wake up to WTF the East India Trading Company child slavery aparatus is and what a clear and present danger it represents to national security.

My favorite part about the whole story is, it took a "real news reporter" to basically look at the real document to see that the woman is still married to her husband, and by law they can kick you out of the hospital even if you claim you are the father of the kid.

My least favorite part about the story is the continued denial by the willfully ignorant to think that being separated means you have to allow Dyncorp to rip babies out of your arms at 16 hours into their life. The fake Dyncorp psuedo directive (hardly law) of snatching babies for not obeying a Nazi directive should raise millions more eyebalss. Especially the tens of millions of parents whose divorces are not finalized and now realize they have a mark on them open to Dyncorp for baby snatching.

Married couples only, what does the hospital really know who is who anyway?

You are saying that a hospital has no way to check the parental nature of the baby? You are also saying that the hospital should contact Dyncorp if a person is a member of Oath Keepers who is claiming to be the father? You are also interjecting shit that was not in the affidavit. In other words, you are now using 6 degrees of speculation to give Dyncorp Nazis the power to steal more babies from their parents. WTF dude, are you for real?

See, the only problem is, what makes The Oathkeepers different from groups like The Neo-Nazis, and The Klu Kux Klan?

Other than every single solitary thing, I guess you have a point.

The Neo Nazis and the KKK have a foundation in racial segregation and using covert and violent means to push their agenda onto the people. Also they are both controlled by the FBI to help provoke a civil war for the Queen Bitches. This is on record for decades exposed by the Church commission to investigate CoIntelPro. The KKK specifically as run by the FBI. The FBI agents were the ones that lynched random black men, shot civil rights leaders, and bombed chirches. This is on record. The Neo Nazis are for the most part a group that is controlled by ADL, SPLC, and the FBI. Watch American History X for a little bit of edumacation.

The Oath Keepers are an open group of law enforcement and military who refuse to follow illegal orders against the people they have taken an oath to protect. If you have never read the oath an oath taker takes, you probably should. It would make anyone proud to be an American. It basically limits the ability for an outside usurper to turn the military and our law enforcement against us. They also include all races, nationalities, religions.

They all have a militias with guns,

Oath Keepers is not a militia (not that there is anything wrong with the second amendment, it is just not what oath keepers is). Perhaps you would be wise to do a moderate amount of research before spewing such blatant nonsensical statements.

they all practice free speech,

That is a lie, the neo-nazis and KKK are controlled by the FBI. They are not allowed to practice free speech at all.

but two of them are classified as "hate groups" by The Government, The Neo-Nazis, and The Klu Klux Klan.

That is because they were set up by the FBI to be hate groups. That is their purpose. Have you even read the Church commission reports on CoIntelPro?

And, to play Devil's Advocate, if somebody was trying to show "patriots who is boss", why wouldn't Child Protective Services go after those "patriots groups who practice hate"? And, they would make less people mad too, because people hate hate groups too.

Your supposition is false, your argument is false, your evidence is non-existent, your logical reasoning contains no logic...can you guess how much truth your conclusion has?

Saying Oath Keepers is a hate group is like saying Mars is a banana.

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[Sailor]

Can we focus here and work to help our fellow Americans that are humans with rights and dignity that had a child stolen from them. Stop debating over the small details! This serves only the pride of the keyboard "patriots" that waste all the energy they have fighting with each other.
 
Email these to drudge
http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/219670/couple-state-took-our-baby

http://www.wmur.com/news/25340240/detail.html

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=213149

We need to make this a national news story come on people lets save this baby!
drudge@drudgereport.com 

[citizenx]

What the newbie said.^

Here, here.

[ImpeachBarrySoetoro]

Can we focus here and work to help our fellow Americans that are humans with rights and dignity that had a child stolen from them. Stop debating over the small details! This serves only the pride of the keyboard "patriots" that waste all the energy they have fighting with each other.
 
Email these to drudge
http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/219670/couple-state-took-our-baby

http://www.wmur.com/news/25340240/detail.html

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=213149

We need to make this a national news story come on people lets save this baby!
drudge@drudgereport.com 

Multiple emails sent.

[jshowell]

Nationwide Protest of the Dept of Human and Child services

Time   
Friday, November 5 · 4:00pm - 6:00pm
Location   Human and child services everywhere
Created By   
Tiffany Ann Marler U, T Ann Marley
More Info   
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2010/10/07/oath-keepers-statement-about-video-titled-government-agents-seize-oath-keepers-new-born-from-hospital/


Lets peacefully show the Dept of human and child services that we have the right to freely associate and it is not ok to list group affiliation as a reason to take a child!!!!
They came first for the militia members,
...and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a militia member.

Then they came for the three percenters,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a three percenter.
...
Then they came for the Oath Keepers,
and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t an Oath Keeper.

Then they came for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up.

So, defend the right of even the most hardcore militia members to freely associate without that right being chilled and suppressed by means of the threat of taking their kids." Statement from the oath Keepers and I totally agree. Who will it be next? because we choose to freely associate with Free staters, or our local garden club? See More

[citizenx]

Again though, there is the conflation of OK with militias -- I think we need to avoid that unnecessary association here.

Some of the militas and their members are agents provocateurs of the state -- their rights and liberties are not being infringed.  Some of them are doing the infringing.

[Nailer]

This action by the Government openly shows the use of  Gestapo tactics to illegally  remove children from thier parents.

The Movie 1984 has became a reality.

Big Brother comes in and takes your children for no valid reason /trumped up charges.

Oath keepers  is NOT a Militia.

Do you want to live as slaves /subjects the rest of your lives or  Be Free to speak Freely .

[ImpeachBarrySoetoro]

Drudge has linked to two stories on this

http://www.drudgereport.com/
http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/219670/couple-state-took-our-baby
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=213149

[Sailor]

Drudge has linked to two stories on this

http://www.drudgereport.com/
http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/219670/couple-state-took-our-baby
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=213149

 Small victory! Brick by brick we will save America. Thank you Jesus! This child will be returned to the parents. Let us keep up prayer,fasting and action in this case! The Government offices will be open tomorrow and we need to call and let them know children belong with parents not the State. The State is not God!

[donnay]

 Small victory! Brick by brick we will save America. Thank you Jesus! This child will be returned to the parents. Let us keep up prayer,fasting and action in this case! The Government offices will be open tomorrow and we need to call and let them know children belong with parents not the State. The State is not God!

Amen!

[donnay]

"Oath Keeper Baby" fam shows controversial documents (New Hampshire)

http://ridleyreport.com/video/ridleyreport/2010/oct/oath_keeper_baby_fam_shows_controversial_documents_new_hampshire

[citizenx]

 Small victory! Brick by brick we will save America. Thank you Jesus! This child will be returned to the parents. Let us keep up prayer,fasting and action in this case! The Government offices will be open tomorrow and we need to call and let them know children belong with parents not the State. The State is not God!

I'll fee a lot better when this case is at least re-opened by the State of New Hampshire or when the child is returned to its parents.  Lets' not celebrate prematurely.

(Though, yes, it is a good thing as Drudge is more likely to get picked up by the MSM.)

[thnkfstpal]

There is no "side" to "believe".

The Dyncorp operatives came in and snatched a 16 hour old baby from its parents. Where is there any side?

Yes, after over 20 explanations on every miniscule detail of this issue, your blatant "confusion" into what it means for a corporation like Dyncorp to have the power to snatch a 16 hour old baby from its parents does not add up.

Well then he probably should seek some kind of test to find out. What the hell does that have to do with the Dyncorp child slavery institute having the power to mislead judges with fraudulent claims in order to rip babies out of their mother and father's arms and then demonize the parents based on a bunch of bullshit?

The denials get more absurd every hour.

What about them, they are not his child.

What does that have to do with Dyncorp coming over and ripping a child out of the mother and father's arms? Does your personal belief about your ability to control the activity in your organs mean that the Dyncorp paid off operatives have the right to just rip out babies from hospitals like it was their own child slavery factory?

Yes, we are missing the payoffs by Dyncorp, the assassinations of the whistle blowers, the IBM analytics that does comprehensive searches on all pregnant mothers to find out which babies are "ripe" for the Dyncorp farm workers. We are missing so, so, so very much.

Go ahead and wait, we have heard the interview and seen the documents. A baby was ripped out of its parents arms, that is very clear. It was done by using Oath Keepers as an excuse to do it, that is doubly clear. Every second that Dyncorp forces the state to stop justice is another second that millions wake up to WTF the East India Trading Company child slavery aparatus is and what a clear and present danger it represents to national security.

My least favorite part about the story is the continued denial by the willfully ignorant to think that being separated means you have to allow Dyncorp to rip babies out of your arms at 16 hours into their life. The fake Dyncorp psuedo directive (hardly law) of snatching babies for not obeying a Nazi directive should raise millions more eyebalss. Especially the tens of millions of parents whose divorces are not finalized and now realize they have a mark on them open to Dyncorp for baby snatching.

You are saying that a hospital has no way to check the parental nature of the baby? You are also saying that the hospital should contact Dyncorp if a person is a member of Oath Keepers who is claiming to be the father? You are also interjecting shit that was not in the affidavit. In other words, you are now using 6 degrees of speculation to give Dyncorp Nazis the power to steal more babies from their parents. WTF dude, are you for real?

Other than every single solitary thing, I guess you have a point.

The Neo Nazis and the KKK have a foundation in racial segregation and using covert and violent means to push their agenda onto the people. Also they are both controlled by the FBI to help provoke a civil war for the Queen Bitches. This is on record for decades exposed by the Church commission to investigate CoIntelPro. The KKK specifically as run by the FBI. The FBI agents were the ones that lynched random black men, shot civil rights leaders, and bombed chirches. This is on record. The Neo Nazis are for the most part a group that is controlled by ADL, SPLC, and the FBI. Watch American History X for a little bit of edumacation.

The Oath Keepers are an open group of law enforcement and military who refuse to follow illegal orders against the people they have taken an oath to protect. If you have never read the oath an oath taker takes, you probably should. It would make anyone proud to be an American. It basically limits the ability for an outside usurper to turn the military and our law enforcement against us. They also include all races, nationalities, religions.

Oath Keepers is not a militia (not that there is anything wrong with the second amendment, it is just not what oath keepers is). Perhaps you would be wise to do a moderate amount of research before spewing such blatant nonsensical statements.

That is a lie, the neo-nazis and KKK are controlled by the FBI. They are not allowed to practice free speech at all.

That is because they were set up by the FBI to be hate groups. That is their purpose. Have you even read the Church commission reports on CoIntelPro?

Your supposition is false, your argument is false, your evidence is non-existent, your logical reasoning contains no logic...can you guess how much truth your conclusion has?

Saying Oath Keepers is a hate group is like saying Mars is a banana.

LOL LOL LOL LOL!!!

great. If the guy who is rationalizing evil is actually a real person and not a paid shill he needs to wake the frack up.

[freeyourmindsamerika]

Hey everybody, I have some important news here. First let me start off by saying that I am a defender of liberty and a member of We Are Change. I believe that we always need to deeply research everything that we take issue with. Now just for the sake of discussion and further investigation. I want everyone to know and research this info. I am not sure if somebody in this huge discussion has already brought this up.Anyway, There is info here that the Father Irish. Has been accused of abuse against Ms. Taylor and two sons from a previous marriage and that his failure to take domestic abuse deterant classes have led to the actions taken by dcyf. I just want to hear if anyone can confirm or deny this info. SO go out and do the work infowarriors and lets see what is up here. We have to stay calm and level headed. So we don't look like the asses the mainstream media wants to make out of us. Don't give them any ammunition.  Here is a link to the info I found. Not sure of the truth lets see what we can uncover. http://littlebytesnews.amplify.com/2010/10/09/updatenh-newborn-baby-girl-taken-from-parents-by-dcyf-for-past-abuse-or-political-affiliation-tcot-news-

[citizenx]

CONFIRMED: Court Did Rely on Oath Keeper Association to Take Baby
     

Stewart Rhodes
Oathkeepers
Oct 11, 2010

There has been some confusion about this case, leading some commentators to believe that the reference to John Irish’s “association” with Oath Keepers was in some other document, rather than in the affidavit relied on by the Court’s Order.  Alex Jones’ site, in an effort to protect the privacy of the family, posted excerpts from two different documents, leading some to question where the reference actually was.

To clear that up, below you will find an embedded PDF which contains the full (though redacted) versions of the following documents:  the two Petitions (one pertaining to each parent), the Court’s Ex Parte Order, the  Affidavit of Dana Bickford which was attached, the Motion for Change of Venue, and lastly, the Notice to Accused Parent, explaining the legal process.   We have highlighted in yellow all text where the Petitions or the Court Order refers to the Affidavit which contains reference to Oath Keepers.

By looking at the below documents, you will be able to see from the two Petitions, the Order, and Affidavit item #7, in that order, that...



to read the rest, see:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/confirmed-court-did-rely-on-oath-keeper-association-to-take-baby.html

[Dig]

Hey everybody, I have some important news here. First let me start off by saying that I am a defender of liberty and a member of We Are Change. I believe that we always need to deeply research everything that we take issue with. Now just for the sake of discussion and further investigation. I want everyone to know and research this info. I am not sure if somebody in this huge discussion has already brought this up.Anyway, There is info here that the Father Irish. Has been accused of abuse against Ms. Taylor and two sons from a previous marriage and that his failure to take domestic abuse deterant classes have led to the actions taken by dcyf. I just want to hear if anyone can confirm or deny this info. SO go out and do the work infowarriors and lets see what is up here. We have to stay calm and level headed. So we don't look like the asses the mainstream media wants to make out of us. Don't give them any ammunition.  Here is a link to the info I found. Not sure of the truth lets see what we can uncover. http://littlebytesnews.amplify.com/2010/10/09/updatenh-newborn-baby-girl-taken-from-parents-by-dcyf-for-past-abuse-or-political-affiliation-tcot-news-

Read this thread and listen to the interviews, they both stated that like many other things...manipulation and fraud are occuring with the accusations which have never been verified. And the whole idea of "domestic abuse" as if you are either mother theresa or "the burning bed" husband is a bit overplayed. If suspected domestic abuse based on a 5 minute interview with a heavily sedated person which has never been verified allowed dyncorp to snatch any baby then Bill Clinton would have been snatched 16 hours into his life. The fact is that Dyncorp's baby snatching cartel manufactures such issues all of the time. I am very curious as to why the other outlets are not chronicling the CPS/Dyncorp history of institutionalized insanity. It is as if they just want to hide their heads in the sand as if it does not happen...

The Finders

Franklin Cover Up

There are over 100 other such cases of conspiracies to snatch children and profit from their enslavement by CPS/Dyncorp/fake government agencies that represent a clear and present danger to national security.

[Dig]

UN – U.S. Government Subsidized DynCorp Cover Up :
http://politicalvelcraft.org/2010/08/28/un-along-with-u-s-government-subsidized-dyncorp-cover-up-child-pedophile-sex-slave-scandals-continue-wave-after-wave-of-child-abuse-reports-pour-forward-from-all-over-the-globe/

[Dig]

I came to this book by John W DeCamp after reading George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography by Webster G. Tarpley & Anton Chaitkin which can be found at
http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm

There is a documentary entitled Conspiracy fo Silence, which is on googe video
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=conspiracy+of+silence&emb=0&aq=f#

The Franklin Cover-Up is horrifying but at the same time will give you a glimpse of how vile the NWO really is.

Foreward
" 'What do Ronald Reagan, President George Bush, former CIA Director William E, Colby, Democratic presidential candidate Bob Kerry, billionaire and second richest man in Americaand now head of Saloman Brothers, Warren Buffet, and Ronald Roskens, the current administrator of the Agency for International Development, all have in common?' I asked my close friend and advisor William Colby one day in 1991.

'I give up,' former head of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Colby siad. 'What could that group have in common?'

'Three things,' I replied, 'All of them a burden at times for those who have to carry them. The three things are me (John DCamp), a case called Franklin and a man named Larry King.

'Are you serious?' Colby asked.

'Dead serious,' I responded. 'And I hope that word 'dead' does not turn out to be a prophetic pronouncement, as it has for at least fifteen other Franklin-related personalities.'

My statement to Bill Colby was not made lightly. Colby and his wife, Sally Shelton Colby, a United States ambassador under President Jimmy Carter, were at that very moment warning me to get away from the Franklin child abuse investigation, Larry King, and anybody else linked with Franklin, as quickly as possible for the sake of my own life and safety.

Sally and Bill had never talked to me like this before. They sat me down, made it clear that this was not one of our routine discussions about life and health and happiness, and emphasized to me the serious nature of what and whom I was dealing with.

'What you have to understand, John, is that sometimes there are forces and events too big, too powerful, with so much at stake for other people or institutions, that you cannot do anything about them, no matter how evil or wrong they are and no matter how dedicated or sincere you are or how much evidence you have."


Timeline
http://www.franklincase.org/timeline.htm


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2191775825470516271
"Stunning revelations from former Nebraska Senator John DeCamp. Followup to his book, the Franklin Cover-up, movie Conspiracy of Silence, and his other legal cases


Rusty Nelson, former Franklin photographer, tells horrific tales of life as a political prisoner, including false charges as a sex offender, forced injections, massive drugging, and sleep deprivation.
Pt.1  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahhotahp8Ck&feature=channel_page
Pt.2  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThBpPvTn4nk&feature=related
Pt.3  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXa6mjXg-Go&feature=related
Pt.4  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeOU-EDnvFo&feature=related

[Dig]

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/ciadrugsabusemurder.shtml

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=184118.0

http://www.educate-yourself.org/tg/

http://www.voxfux.com/features/cia_child_sex.html

[Freeski]

Rings within rings within rings...

[Sailor]

Hey everybody, I have some important news here. First let me start off by saying that I am a defender of liberty and a member of We Are Change. I believe that we always need to deeply research everything that we take issue with. Now just for the sake of discussion and further investigation. I want everyone to know and research this info. I am not sure if somebody in this huge discussion has already brought this up.Anyway, There is info here that the Father Irish. Has been accused of abuse against Ms. Taylor and two sons from a previous marriage and that his failure to take domestic abuse deterant classes have led to the actions taken by dcyf. I just want to hear if anyone can confirm or deny this info. SO go out and do the work infowarriors and lets see what is up here. We have to stay calm and level headed. So we don't look like the asses the mainstream media wants to make out of us. Don't give them any ammunition.  Here is a link to the info I found. Not sure of the truth lets see what we can uncover. http://littlebytesnews.amplify.com/2010/10/09/updatenh-newborn-baby-girl-taken-from-parents-by-dcyf-for-past-abuse-or-political-affiliation-tcot-news-

   No stay focused! If these two parents are perfect parents or imperfect parents that does not mean the State can steal every baby these two parents with rights give birth to. The State stealing the new baby by linking the Father to Oath Keepers is the issue. So no Thank you of the rabbit hole. Frankly even is it is true it is none of our or the States business. These matters are best dealt with by the parents,family,friends and Church community not the State. Stay focused grasshopper    

[jfranko4]

ALERT ALERT!!!

Mainstream media in the UK have picked this up, email it to drudge, STAT!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1319827/Couple-newborn-baby-taken-away-fathers-involvement-Oath-Keepers.html

[Dig]

ALERT ALERT!!!

Mainstream media in the UK have picked this up, email it to drudge, STAT!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1319827/Couple-newborn-baby-taken-away-fathers-involvement-Oath-Keepers.html

wow! it is no longer national news, it is now international news!

[jfranko4]

yes dig this is probably the most read newspaper in the UK, it is complete scum but any coverage is good coverage. Hopefully this will get picked up other organisations soon.

[Dig]

yes dig this is probably the most read newspaper in the UK, it is complete scum but any coverage is good coverage. Hopefully this will get picked up other organisations soon.

this is really huge. thanks for the catch. feel free to start a new thread about this. it cannot be understated how important it is that people like Nancy Schaffer and others' work has not been in vain. Also shows the power of constitution enforcing oath keepers and the level headed stuart rhodes.

[rtjwilde]

I found this on the ADL (Anti-Defamation League) website.
http://www.adl.org/main_Extremism/oath_keepers_three_percenters.htm

[jfranko4]

thanks dig i made a new thread. Yeah this is totally braid spasticatingly massive, i cannot believe they actually picked up on this.

[rtjwilde]

It appears that ADL has taken the page down for the link I posted earlier. Maybe they're getting scared?

[citizenx]

link seems to be working still

[Satyagraha]

October 14th, 2010
High Noon for New Hampshire DCYF: Oath Keepers Sheriffs and Police Issue Demand Letter
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2010/10/14/high-noon-for-new-hampshire-dcyf-oath-keepers-sheriffs-and-police-issue-demand-letter/

This morning, at approximately 10am, October 14, 2010, the Sheriffs and police leaders within Oath Keepers delivered their demand letter to New Hampshire DCYF  on behalf of all sheriffs and police within our organization, as well as on behalf of the military and emergency personnel in our organization.  The letter calls for removing our organization’s name from the affidavit that was relied upon by the court and adopted as the court’s finding of facts in it’s order.

We certainly hope that further, meaningful  scrutiny of the New Hampshire DCYF will be undertaken by the state’s attorney general and legislature. The use of political association in a child protective proceeding is good cause to question the training and the motives of those involved in this case.

But our demand letter is focused on securing a retraction on behalf of our membership and in defense of free speech for all.  That would be a good first step.

Stewart Rhodes