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« on: October 07, 2010, 04:13:08 AM »

Hi,

I've finished downloading all 84GB of the videos released by NIST after a lawsuit by the International Center for 9/11 Studies.

I've only started watching, but in this clip (titled "NY1 6 Raw 10), you see some 'ejections' (for lack of a better word) from the North Tower that have a distinct white smoking trail.

Of note, pay attention to the first ejection, which falls at :32 into the video. It seems that there is no white smoke at first, but that as it's falling, the smoke starts. Perhaps a thermitic reaction (we do know that the smoke produced by thermite is white). Then you see more of the same on the right side of the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC_K10hUGRU
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« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2010, 05:39:34 AM »

Sorry to reply to my own post, but I've posted another video from the NIST release that shows these white trails much better. It shows multiple ejections from the WTC North Tower with a white trail of smoke burning behind them. Contrast these ejections with multiple other objects and debris falling from the tower that do not have any smoke trails, suggesting that there is something different about the 'white trail' objects. One hypothesis: We know that smoke from thermitic reactions burns white, and we know (e.g., Harrit, Jones, et al.) that thermite is prevalent in the dust from the collapses. Perhaps that's what you're seeing in this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpOnpGw5sv4
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« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2010, 10:08:49 AM »

Hi,

Looking through the newly released batch of videos from NIST and I found some interesting stuff in the folder "Richard Peskin." I have a edited together bits from four of the clips in that folder where you can hear what sound like explosions (after both towers have fallen), and the videographer (presumably Richard Peskin) saying that he's heard even more. They seem to be located around (wait for it)... Building 7. It all starts moments after the second tower collapsed.

The files I used were: Peskin 25.avi, Peskin 28.avi, Peskin 29.avi, and Peskin 30.avi.

Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2lp4d1GjzE

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« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2010, 10:24:36 AM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOLsM6BS2r0

This clip totally confirms the (initial first few) audible Hi Fi, undistorted low-bass "booming" demolition sound wave repercussions picked up in this track:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iya_s7J7K6Y

There is a monstrous difference between a BOOM SOUND and a giant punch-press "KLANG" sound.

Explosive demolitions boom, "failing-support collapses" squeak, creak and klang (upon impact). When you drop a cast iron frying pan on concrete it "rings" it does not boom.
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« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2010, 05:46:06 AM »

So, I found something that I think is rather interesting while looking through the September 11, 2001 videos reluctantly released by NIST.

In the original file I posted (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOLsM6BS2r0), you can hear what sounds like a clear and distinct explosion just before/as the South Tower collapses. However, in further viewings, I noticed something odd in the pyroclastic flow that develops due to the collapse.

I have posted a new video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxucwMqSgbU) that zooms in and includes a slowed-down look at the flow. In this video I added two red dots to help you locate two distinct 'ejections' that release in a synchronized fashioned, out of the pyroclastic flow, with white smoke trails. That seems odd, no?

These ejections link to my previous posts about white trails coming from the South Tower BEFORE it collapses (see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpOnpGw5sv4 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC_K10hUGRU). So maybe the ejections in the pyroclastic flow are more thermitic reactions post-collapse?

I don't know, maybe I'm making something out of nothing, but given the fact that we know thermite releases white smoke, I thought it was worth a look. I especially think that the synchronization of the ejections is quite unlikely to have occurred by chance.
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« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2010, 12:33:54 PM »

Anybody feel like helping out over at my youtube site? I have a real debunker there that thinks he/she knows all there is to know about September 11.

Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2lp4d1GjzE
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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2010, 04:18:36 AM »

Me again...

Looking through the video from the batch newly released from NIST. Here is a clip titled “NBC News Dub_clip16A” in a folder titled “NBC_News Dub from Jim Remberg.” In the middle of a TV interview, the first Tower collapses. The reporter immediately refers to hearing an explosion and “the reverberations” from that explosion. He repeats this multiple times, and at the end he says that he’s two blocks away and he clearly felt the reverberations. Would you really feel “reverberations” from a gravitational collapse two blocks away? Match that with my previous video here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOLsM6BS2r0) in which you can hear a distinct explosion before/just as the collapse occurs.

Video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkg3Mz16LB0
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« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2010, 01:22:21 PM »

Hi. Me again.

So, I'm looking through the newly-released NIST videos and I was struck by multiple videos shot by people at the scene of the Twin Tower collapses. What you see in the edited (by me) video at the link below is a number of cars and trucks overturned (or completely flipped), presumably by the collapse. Now, I realize the "common sense test" is not the most stringent or scientific, but does it make sense to you that a gravitational collapse could/would generate enough force to literally flip cars? The videos in question were shot before any heavy equipment like cranes and/or construction trucks arrived; as you can see in the first clip, the second tower hasn't even come down. I'm not a physicist, but my gut tells me that explosive force could explain it better than gravity, no?

Clips used: CBS-Net Dub3 25, WNBC Dub3_65, WNBC Dub10 80, and WNBC Dub10 90.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOPFWKHoLYM
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« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2010, 08:34:50 AM »

Looking through the videos recently released by NIST of September 11, 2001. Here you hear four witnesses to the first tower's collapse. Three of them refer to hearing (1) "boom, boom", (2) "A loud noise", and (3) "a thunderous roar", all before/just as the collapse occurs. I've included the fourth person, the woman, even though her quote is "when it blew." There are (many) other witness reports of hearing explosions before and during the collapses that you can find here and at ae911truth.org, but these (I believe) are new.

Files used: CBS-Net Dub4 18, WABC Dub1 93, WNYW Dub1 104, WPIX Dub3 70.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w55YUGkcuD8
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« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2010, 09:33:57 AM »

More NIST video stuff for you. Admittedly, this goes directly into the "highly speculative" category. Often, people will ask how could people have access to the towers and their infrastructure in order to place the explosives that would be needed for an explosive demolition? Yes, I know about the Securacom Security and Marvin Bush connection, but that doesn't address the practical, logistical manner in which something like this could occur.

Well, listening again to NIST videos led to me this interview that Peter Jennings did live on ABC News with an ABC reporter, Don Daylor, who was near the scene after both towers were destroyed. What does Daylor say? Very clearly he says that he knows that "...for at least a month" one of the towers was having problems with a malfunctioning elevator, and in particular an elevator that went all the way to the top of the building. As I understand it, there were so-called 'express' elevators in the towers that covered lots of distance, and other so-called 'local' elevators that made smaller trips. Presumably, if you were having problems with an elevator for at least a month, that means people were coming and going trying to repair it, right? That would put some people at the core infrastructure of the tower, right? For at least a month... The kind of time needed to get the job done. Top to bottom. As I said, speculative, but interesting nonetheless.

NIST files used: ABC Atlanta2 clip86 to ABC Atlanta2 clip91.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lFCP4qH-9A
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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2010, 10:17:36 PM »

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Don't be sorry.  You can reply to your own post as much as you need to.  This forum is mainly for sharing your research.

Thanks for sharing these videos.

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« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2010, 09:48:03 AM »

Those 'shooting stars' sure seem like Thermite nuggets to me...
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« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2010, 10:09:09 AM »

Those 'shooting stars' sure seem like Thermite nuggets to me...


That's my guess, especially looking at the one in the very first video I posted that starts to smoke in mid-air, and the two that "shoot off" in synchronized fashion in the video with the zoomed in and slow-motion look at the pyroclastic flow of the collapse. Could there be other explanations? Of course, but the evidence does support the thermite hypothesis.
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