SHITEGEIST 3: THE T[H]URD BOWEL MOVEMENT | OFFICIAL RELEASE | 2011

[chrisfromchi]

The one that purposes value of the person over the bank account and the rest of the materialist ethos.

they didn't come up with that either.

[Kilgore Trout]

Ah yes, but at least they appear to want to bring it back , which is way more than can be said about the corporatist materialists of this world.

[egypt]

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And let's not forget
stoning to death Christians !
No wonder he changed his name !

Never liked Paul...
thought he gave Christianity a bad name.

Guy falls from his horse,
hits his head,
has a temporal lobe injury
which leads to a seizure,
which he calls a "religious experience"
and claims he has been chosen by Jesus.

Just a bit over-the -top,
as in "grandiose".

Nice post, MS E !

Thanks for that very interesting link, GeoLib !

hahahaahhaa Amazon!  I laugh, but it is so true!

Love, e

[birther truther tenther]

Not surprised this has turned into a "what's wrong with christianity" discussion.

Anything to avoid the "what's wrong with Zeitgeist" discussion we should be having. 

I criticize Zeitgeist for its Cybernetic views.

I couldn't give 2 shits about their anti-Christianity stance because people can bicker all day long about the meanings of symbols and scripture until the cows come home, but it isn't going to make a lick of difference against banksters trying to enslave the world's population.

Religious debates are a primary weapon of the NWO's geopolitical arsenal, and the folks who argue over the meanings of scripture and what sources their opinions that they regurgitated from are caught in the O-O stage of the OODA Loop.

Skull Bashing and going OO,OO,OO,OO,OO on a message board gets you nowhere.

People fall for false diametric paradigms and rat traps all of the time.

[37]

It's not surprising because as much as you try to distinguish yourself from Christianity , I suspect that you and most others' are biased originally form Z's take on religion.

My point was that you clowns can't seem to get away from religion bashing as a ploy to change the top

f**king New Age drones.  Are you guys capable of conronting the shortcomings of Zeitgeist or are you just going to dismiss every dissenting point of view as "religious".

Frankly, I don't need to bash Josephus for being a Theosophist...he has chosen the dumbest "solution" on the planet.  Venus is completely fuktarded.

How about you guys stay on topic.  That was my point.


And, fvck you for always insinuating I'm some closet fundy.  You are the master of ad hominem.

[Kilgore Trout]

My point was that you clowns can't seem to get away from religion bashing as a ploy to change the top

f**king New Age drones.  Are you guys capable of conronting the shortcomings of Zeitgeist or are you just going to dismiss every dissenting point of view as "religious".

Frankly, I don't need to bash Josephus for being a Theosophist...he has chosen the dumbest "solution" on the planet.  Venus is completely fuktarded.

How about you guys stay on topic.  That was my point.


And, fvck you for always insinuating I'm some closet fundy.  You are the master of ad hominem.

You're really classy.

[Geolibertarian]

I couldn't give 2 shits about their anti-Christianity stance because people can bicker all day long about the meanings of symbols and scripture until the cows come home, but it isn't going to make a lick of difference against banksters trying to enslave the world's population.

Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!

“In his People’s Party Paper, Tom Watson, the Populist congressman from Georgia, appealed to white and black farmers to meet on common ground: ‘You are kept apart that you may be fleeced separately of your earnings. You are made to hate each other because upon that hatred is rested the keystone of the arch of the financial despotism which enslaves you both. You are deceived and blinded that you may not see how this race antagonism perpetuates a monetary system which beggars both.’”  

-- Jack Beatty, Age of Betrayal, p. 214

“That’s the way the ruling class operates in any society: they try to divide the rest of the people. They keep the lower and the middle classes fighting with each other, so that they, the rich, can run off with all the f**king money.

"Fairly simple thing; happens to work.

"You know, anything different, that’s what they’re gonna talk about: race, religion, ethic and national backgrounds, jobs, income, education, social status, sexuality -- anything they can do [to] keep us fighting with each other, so that they can keep going to the bank."

-- George Carlin

[37]

You're really classy.

Oh, I'm sorry...did I insult your sensitive nature?

Piss off.  You have been calling me a "paranoid religious zealot" for the last year and I'm tired of it.

I have never seen any difference between you and the biggest Bible Thumpers on here.  You completely condescend anyone who disagrees with your particular belief system.  And, you always resort to personal attacks when you can't adequately defend your position.  It's childish.  So, I'm done being polite.  You want to continue to call me a paranoid religious freak and I will continue to be impolite.

Back on topic now? Or do you want to continue with the petty attacks?

[Kilgore Trout]

Oh, I'm sorry...did I insult your sensitive nature?

Piss off.  You have been calling me a "paranoid religious zealot" for the last year and I'm tired of it.

I have never seen any difference between you and the biggest Bible Thumpers on here.  You completely condescend anyone who disagrees with your particular belief system.  And, you always resort to personal attacks when you can't adequately defend your position.  It's childish.  So, I'm done being polite.  You want to continue to call me a paranoid religious freak and I will continue to be impolite.

Back on topic now? Or do you want to continue with the petty attacks?

You don't offend me at all , to be offended by you would imply that I respected you in some way.

[Novus Ordo]

"There's a sucker born every minute." — P.T. Barnum

That was David Hannum actually.

[Novus Ordo]

You're really classy.

If only he knew! 

[37]

You don't offend me at all , to be offended by you would imply that I respected you in some way.

The respect of an immature, 13 year-old is not something I am seeking...thanks.

[mr anderson]

You don't offend me at all , to be offended by you would imply that I respected you in some way.

The Venus Project with an attitude like that, how could you not look forward to it?! 

The nose of some people advocating the VP / ZTM could not get any higher. *deja vu

The respect of an immature, 13 year-old is not something I am seeking...thanks.

[Kilgore Trout]

The respect of an immature, 13 year-old is not something I am seeking...thanks.

You know what man , let's be honest , you're full of shit. You claim I resort to personal attacks when I can't defend my position , total lie.  I am not the one who forms my little hands to curse at people and act like a little spoiled bitch , that's you.

In fact in every exchange we've had , I basically made my point , and you did the equivalent of stomping your feet like a teenage girl , calling names locking threads deleting posts etc...

Go on and say it's because of my "repeating myself" whatever . All I know is you're not cool enough in the head department to prevail , and you ALWAYS act like trailer trash once someone starts to make tracks on your arguments.

I can always defend my postitions , if not I will relent , I am not the kind to make myself look as foolish as you have , by making up stories.

[37]

I love this thing where you ignore calling me a "paranoid" repeatedly and saying the same ignorant thing in ten consecutive posts before I got pissed and stop dealing with you.  You're a condescending, New Age prick who tries to bully everyone into seeing the world the same way he does.  It's the antics of a child.  Then you blame me for returning the favor.  You're the class act, kid. 

This is what I was typing, while the peanut gallery was continuing it's usual BS...


So, what's the plan?  We all gonna just keep buying bombs and funding war until the Zeitgeist reaches critical mass?

Are we going to continue to be controlled with centralized water and energy, and fund our own servitude until Jacques' machines come save us?

Is it alright with you guys if I use some resources to build a more efficient home that generates it's own clean water and a majority of it's own electricity?

You know, as opposed to waste my time working on a railroad?

Zeitgeist's answers are lame.  That's the bottom line.  They don't seek to set the individual free...

[Ze1tge1st]

The Venus Project with an attitude like that, how could you not look forward to it?! 

The nose of some people advocating the VP / ZTM could not get any higher. *deja vu

That is because they're people just like you and me. We're not in a RBE yet. People are not making things easier by calling us Marxist or the theory that we'll one day enslave humanity in a cold emotionless prison. Whenever a topic comes up about TZM, it usually goes one way - south. It is very easy to read through all the posts and realize who is derailing the topic. Only a few have the mindset of a fixed state, they will NEVER change no matter how much evidence or convincing they receive. Put yourselves in our shoes; try convincing someone about 9/11 being an inside job who is hard to convince, you'll get exhausted trying. And yet you hold the mindset that it was an inside job, trying to "wake up" the rest from what they've failed to see all along.

We're not trying to enslave anyone, we're trying to free the burden from what we've failed to see all along. That society could do without certain things that harm both indirectly or directly the humans on this planet.

'37', could you at least have an open mindset when it comes to TZM? You compare too much with fiction and theories.

[Kilgore Trout]

There is absolutely nothing "new age" about human understanding , in fact it's older than any form of religion. New Age is parody term parroted by parrots that would rather let any complicated self actualized thinking be done by someone else.

[37]

'37', could you at least have an open mindset when it comes to TZM? You compare too much with fiction and theories.

Hate to tell you, but Venus is a theory.  Resource Based Economics are a theory.

I didn't mention any work of fiction in that last post.

We're all buying bombs and death on a daily basis...when does the Zeitgeist Movement plan to cut funding?

Our government, the economy and the food situation all suck...because we go along with a broken system.

You continue to let bankers treat food as a commodity.  You are just as guilty as they are.  Commodities are always more valuable when scarce...duh.

The system is broken because we aren't involved enough.  The corrupt have taken control because they have motivation...greed.

Now that things are bad, the good people are finding motivation again...unfortunately, many of them are having their energies wasted thinking about mag-lev trains and other worthless, control grid crapola.  Change you can believe in...if you're a mindless, slave.

Obama is talking about trains...how about a real "zeitgeist" moment where he decides to use our collective resources to make the family and small communities more independent?  Give us a timetable to get the majority of homes to generate their own clean water and electricity.  We have decades of fossil fuel left, let's get to work on something real.  Why aren't the factories in Detroit being converted to produce residential solar panels or wind turbines?  Atmospheric water generators?

We could do these things now and it doesn't require a complete overhaul of every aspect of society and a billion machines to do it.  It also doesn't require a lot of time.  Egypt just had an 18 day revolution that was largely non-violent.  We could do the same...but, that's not what TZM is advocating.  They want you locked into this narrow-minded view where only a big AI can save us from ourselves.

[Novus Ordo]

I don't think you've watched the films.

[Ze1tge1st]

We're all buying bombs and death on a daily basis...when does the Zeitgeist Movement plan to cut funding?

This is what we're trying to do. To cut the funding is not the way, but to remove what makes it fund - money. It will be significantly harder to make these bombs and hire manpower to kill when there is no real incentive to offer them in the face of possible death. It's like asking someone if you would stick out your neck for a stranger when in a battle with bullets swooshing by without any kind of a reward. But then you tell them that the chance of survival is 'X' and you offer them plenty of money, and the picture changes.

The system is broken because we aren't involved enough.

Bingo!

That is why we're trying to spread the word and change the things that should make us involved, without the greed and need for money to stand in the way.

Our government, the economy and the food situation all suck...because we go along with a broken system

Agreed.

Now that things are bad, the good people are finding motivation again...unfortunately, many of them are having their energies wasted thinking about mag-lev trains and other worthless, control grid crapola.  Change you can believe in...if you're a mindless, slave.

Yes, that is a waste of time and resources. They could have spent those resources on other things that help the people. I'm not much for this idea either. They're not spending their resources where it's (truly) needed. I'm not a big fan of Obama myself.

And you're not wrong on the rest. I wouldn't mind having the ability to produce clean water, food and electricity without the big government to regulate and decide how I should use it. But these things require money and a piece of land. Both not easy to acquire depending on where you live. It would take some good planning and knowhow to make it happen if you want to keep in touch with technology and society. It would be nice to build this somewhere with nice nature, but if everyone thought like this it would be crowded pretty fast. Not saying it wouldn't work, it probably would. Nobody would complain about not having food or electricity because you produce it yourself. And helpful neighbors can assist if something breaks down. Without the involvement of money...

 

[EvadingGrid]

This is what we're trying to do. To cut the funding is not the way, but to remove what makes it fund - money. It will be significantly harder to make these bombs and hire manpower to kill when there is no real incentive to offer them in the face of possible death. It's like asking someone if you would stick out your neck for a stranger when in a battle with bullets swooshing by without any kind of a reward. But then you tell them that the chance of survival is 'X' and you offer them plenty of money, and the picture changes.

We had this workers paradise before, it was called The Soviet Union...
It exported its ideology across the border into China.
Now the model state of the New World Order.

The masses are sold one ideology, and made to slave while the elites live in the big houses with servants . . . .

Just how naive are you ?

[Novus Ordo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w&playnext=1&list=PL580157091DEF49BF

fast fwd' to 2:12

[mr anderson]

I don't think you've watched the films.

Perhaps it's what you haven't read or watched?

Works by Brzezinski... Read any? Especially Between Two Ages?

[37]

I don't think you've watched the films.

 

Really?  Is that what you think?

Go read the Addendum thread, noob. 


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This is what we're trying to do. To cut the funding is not the way, but to remove what makes it fund - money. It will be significantly harder to make these bombs and hire manpower to kill when there is no real incentive to offer them in the face of possible death. It's like asking someone if you would stick out your neck for a stranger when in a battle with bullets swooshing by without any kind of a reward. But then you tell them that the chance of survival is 'X' and you offer them plenty of money, and the picture changes.

This reveals the complete lack of understanding you have for what money originally was and how it has been corrupted.  Money is a device for trading.  It is meant to be a "universal unit" for trade between groups that don't necessarily have a direct trade of goods (not going to give examples, you should be able to understand this).  Money is little more than a symbol for...resources.  Duh...the current suystem is actually based on resources.  That is what people buy and sell with money.  The problem is that we have allowed money to become more abundant than resources and this allows for manipulation.

Bingo!

That is why we're trying to spread the word and change the things that should make us involved, without the greed and need for money to stand in the way.

You don't need an organization for that.  Stand up and say No...period.  Write letters and get involved.  Don't waste time talking about projects that can never be accomplished.  (I know you guys love to ignore this point, but I don't think Jacgues' architecture designs pass muster...they border on the ridiculous)

I wouldn't mind having the ability to produce clean water, food and electricity without the big government to regulate and decide how I should use it.

Good luck under the watchful eye of Jacques' computer.  Anything you produce from the earth is a resource and it belongs to everyone.  Look at those cities...everything is centralized.


Get rid of the federal income tax, nationalize the central bank give research money for improving solar and wind tech and start putting people to work building that tech.  Then, when everyone has their own water, energy, local food source and free communication(internet)...then we can start on grand projects.  These are all goals that are easy to understand and can be approached from many different angles by either individuals or groups.  They don't require a religious, spiritual or particular political view.  And, they don't require a complete collapse, which TZM DOES require as I pointed out about what Mr. Rupert has to say and why he is in the third film. 
 

(Glad to see that we do agree on a few things, though.  )

[Michal Ptacnik]

This reveals the complete lack of understanding you have for what money originally was and how it has been corrupted.  Money is a device for trading.  It is meant to be a "universal unit" for trade between groups that don't necessarily have a direct trade of goods (not going to give examples, you should be able to understand this).  Money is little more than a symbol for...resources.  Duh...the current suystem is actually based on resources.  That is what people buy and sell with money.  The problem is that we have allowed money to become more abundant than resources and this allows for manipulation.

You don't need an organization for that.  Stand up and say No...period.  Write letters and get involved.  Don't waste time talking about projects that can never be accomplished.  (I know you guys love to ignore this point, but I don't think Jacgues' architecture designs pass muster...they border on the ridiculous)

I am no construction specialist, but even if those designs had flaws, that is, more likely, if there was a better way to do things, that better way would be adopted, in the same direction.

As for saying No... that does not work in the real world. The system is too corrupt. The ballot won't help it, really, the congressmen won't help it. The very same waste of time you write about, that is to try to change the system from within as one person. And if you enter politics, the system will make sure you at best leave  rich and corrupt. You can at best enter some charitable organization or something, but that is a defeated man's attitude.

Good luck under the watchful eye of Jacques' computer.  Anything you produce from the earth is a resource and it belongs to everyone.  Look at those cities...everything is centralized.

It's not you who produce it or you who own it. It is you who consume it. The trick is this, the current system is already consumer based. The problem is the structure is obsolete. If the structure updates then consumerism can be turned into something more up to date within the system, which will return the system in sinc with social reality.

[Novus Ordo]

Really?  Is that what you think?

Go read the Addendum thread, noob.  

You really are an immature teenager aren’t you it seeps through in every one of your posts.

[Novus Ordo]

Perhaps it's what you haven't read or watched?

Works by Brzezinski... Read any? Especially Between Two Ages?

Fear of the unknown mr anderson?

[Novus Ordo]

It's not you who produce it or you who own it. It is you who consume it. The trick is this, the current system is already consumer based. The problem is the structure is obsolete. If the structure updates then consumerism can be turned into something more up to date within the system, which will return the system in sinc with social reality.

The last known inhabitants of Easter Island spring to mind.

[Michal Ptacnik]

Oops, reposting

This reveals the complete lack of understanding you have for what money originally was and how it has been corrupted.  Money is a device for trading.  It is meant to be a "universal unit" for trade between groups that don't necessarily have a direct trade of goods (not going to give examples, you should be able to understand this).  Money is little more than a symbol for...resources.  Duh...the current suystem is actually based on resources.  That is what people buy and sell with money.  The problem is that we have allowed money to become more abundant than resources and this allows for manipulation.

The problem is that money has entered the community. If it was a trading unit between communities, fine. I could think of a better system for tomorrow, but have at it, I don't think it is that damaging. The problem is that money now becomes a Unit For Survival. That can not and must not be in a humane society. A person has to have the right to life, and that is, a life with dignitiy, without having to work for it, granted by the community. That will heal some of society's illnesses and will make it a more in peace with itself and vibrant and creative. To "have to" creates tension and lack of creativity since you fear for your livelihood. Remove that and you are left with a more free, more brilliant populace able to move the society on a next step of the "societal ladder" or so to speak.

You don't need an organization for that.  Stand up and say No...period.  Write letters and get involved.  Don't waste time talking about projects that can never be accomplished.  (I know you guys love to ignore this point, but I don't think Jacgues' architecture designs pass muster...they border on the ridiculous)

I am no construction specialist, but even if those designs had flaws, that is, more likely, if there was a better way to do things, that better way would be adopted, in the same direction.

As for saying No... that does not work in the real world. The system is too corrupt. The ballot won't help it, really, the congressmen won't help it. The very same waste of time you write about, that is to try to change the system from within as one person. And if you enter politics, the system will make sure you at best leave  rich and corrupt. You can at best enter some charitable organization or something, but that is a defeated man's attitude in the long run.

Good luck under the watchful eye of Jacques' computer.  Anything you produce from the earth is a resource and it belongs to everyone.  Look at those cities...everything is centralized.

It's not you who produce it or you who own it. It is you who consume it. The trick is this, the current system is already consumer based since the people have that attitude and since it is a sort of a natural attitude for the combination of the current state of man and the relative abundance of resources. The problem is the structure is obsolete. If the structure updates then consumerism can be turned into something more up to date within the system, which will return the system in sinc with social reality.

[mr anderson]

Fear of the unknown mr anderson?

Totally dodged the question.

Perhaps the onus is on you as well, try not to shirk that responsibility.

Works by Brzezinski... Read any? Especially Between Two Ages?

[Michal Ptacnik]

Works by Brzezinski... Read any? Especially Between Two Ages?

No. I guess it is a brilliant study of how to misuse the cybernetic society concept? In that case any good planner for the ZTM should read it to avoid that mistakes.

[37]

You really are an immature teenager aren’t you it seeps through in every one of your posts.

What have you contributed to this discussion?

Of course, I've seen the movies...about ten times each.

They get more ridiculous every time I see them.  You want to quiz me?

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It's not you who produce it or you who own it. It is you who consume it.

Humans are bad because they consume things...name one species that doesn't consume resources.  

[Michal Ptacnik]

Humans are bad because they consume things...name one species that doesn't consume resources.

Sorry for not being clear enough, I did not say that humans are bad, I did say that it is natural for humans in this stage of development to be consummers and that the society should wrap itself around this concept. We are no longer workers, tilters of fields, people limited by lack. We should capitalise on this, that we are able to separate ourselves from the need to gather the necessities for living, completely and utterly. Free the people from the clutches of society that has set out to be thei slavemaster and see the vibrant energy resultant. And no one has to do anything about consumerism. My bet is that it will limit itself to a more sustainable equilibrium once competition between humans is removed (the unnatural tendencies stimulated by our modern society that is). If not, it will be a challenge to built up our infrastructure on and to create it more powerful and eficient.

My analogy with slavery still stands. Millenia ago, people thought it might be bad, most didn't consider it bad, but all took it for necessary. Now, no one ever looks back to those days. Similar with mandatory work. If they just abandoned slavery then and there in antiquity, societies would face hard time. But now we don't need it and we take that for granted. And we are rapidly approaching the same millieu with the mandatory work problem.

[37]

I agree that there is incredible potential in machines, and when we are free from forced labor to support the banking system we can work on big projects.

I think that if we didn't give 25% of our pay to a government that spends it overseas, we could each afford to work less hours...right now.  That means more time and energy for other pursuits...and you don't have to wait a lifetime for it.  Now, if that's what is being discussed at TZM meetings, then kudos to them.  But, if all you do is split time between bitching about people, and dreaming about the Fresco Rabbit Trail then you are just wasting energy that could be used making your voice actually heard by the people running the system.

The Venus Project seems like an interesting topic of debate for people who aren't slaves to a timeclock/paycheck.

[Novus Ordo]

Totally dodged the question.

Perhaps the onus is on you as well, try not to shirk that responsibility.

Works by Brzezinski... Read any? Especially Between Two Ages?

Please don’t insult my intelligence mr Anderson, its not my fault your reasoning is shackled within the confines of a pyramid.
Do you really think I don’t know where your going with your question?
The ‘world mind’, to coin a phrase, does not have to be so depressing.

[mbacolas]

I think the current system has as many flaws as the RBE could potentiially have. I think that if the RBE performed the perfect way that jaques explains it, and it was void of elite tampering then yes the system could be or would be the best on the planet. I think most people that have a problem with the Venus prject is becuase of the potential dangers of such a society. I think Free market could work just as easily as the Resource based economy.

[Novus Ordo]

The free market system is a destroyer of planets no matter how many rules are put in place to protect the planet it will eventually and exponentially consume everything.

[EvadingGrid]

The free market system is a destroyer of planets no matter how many rules are put in place to protect the planet it will eventually and exponentially consume everything.

I take it you fell hook, line, and sinker, for the Zitgiest trash ?

AND

That you've never ever read Animal Farm ?

So quotes like -

    "Some animals are more equal than other animals"

Are completely lost on you ?

[Novus Ordo]

I take it you fell hook, line, and sinker, for the Zitgiest trash ?

AND

That you've never ever read Animal Farm ?

So quotes like -

    "Some animals are more equal than other animals"

Are completely lost on you ?

We had to read animal farm at school EvadingGid, I take it you didn’t do A level English?
 
Ooo I’ve got a great idea and I live in a free market so I can implement that idea  and make loads of cash and become rich and powerful and buy loads of shite ?

You carry on living in fear if you want, I prefer to have a more positive opinion of human nature.

[EvadingGrid]

We had to read animal farm at school EvadingGid, I take it you didn’t do A level English?
 
Ooo I’ve got a great idea and I live in a free market so I can implement that idea  and make loads of cash and become rich and powerful and buy loads of shite ?

You carry on living in fear if you want, I prefer to have a more positive opinion of human nature.

So you oughta know better !