Medical Marijuana, gateway to Big Brother?

[phosphene]

That's the co-intel stance on this thing, by the way -- to obfuscate in the direction of the domestic growers.

the co-intel stance is to convince everybody that taxation and government control is a good idea....and its working. it looks like the latest CA legislation will pass, despite all the tyrannical rhetoric inside. Medication is already ridiculously overpriced. Once the state gets involved, the prices will skyrocket.

The elephant in the living room is that the legislation does not help the patients in any way. The legislation is all about how the state can tax the populace "without limitation"

[Kinpa]

 excellent discussion...i live in a medical marijuana state, and many people refuse to get the medical stuff because they dont want to give their info to uncle sam, also, it has been noticed recently, that those who went and got "the card" are being very much hassled by cops who now KNOW they use the stuff...of course, i live in a town on the canadian border that had a spy blimp flying over head for several months...not the kind of place one would want to trust...

[Overcast]

That's the co-intel stance on this thing, by the way -- to obfuscate in the direction of the domestic growers. Even in the states with the highest domestic percentage, it's only 70% home grown with 30% coming from OTHER sources...

How about these outside sources... and the "medical outlets," what are they up to?

... and what is it YOU'RE watchin' to much of, there phos? ...(chuckle)...

JTCoyoté

I think much if it's to keep the Pharma lobby happy. I'm sure they'll profit no doubt; as it will take away the need for painkillers for a lot of people..

[JT Coyoté]

the co-intel stance is to convince everybody that taxation and government control is a good idea....and its working. it looks like the latest CA legislation will pass, despite all the tyrannical rhetoric inside. Medication is already ridiculously overpriced. Once the state gets involved, the prices will skyrocket.

The elephant in the living room is that the legislation does not help the patients in any way. The legislation is all about how the state can tax the populace "without limitation"

Of course one of the goals is complete taxation and Government control.  The method to accomplish this is call co-intel-pro and in this case will be facilitated by demonizing local growers.  Most who grow for their own needs and then sell the remainder to the local dispensary.  

By media scrutinizing the local grower as being the problem, and believe me there are many ways in which the government can accomplish this, like setting up several provocateur growers to introduce tainted or laced product. These are then focused on as a problem, spinning the story that this type of impropriety is rampant among the vast population of individual growers; the norm rather than the exception.  

We've seen this all before with the demonization of militias and patriot groups, radio hosts, patriot bloggers and forum moderators. They will send in shills to slander and threaten public personalities on web forums, prop up co-intel radio shows, infiltrate lawful militias and patriot groups.  Same general tactic just different target is all.  

Counterintelligence has little concern with the ultimate in product of their operations. They understand they are wittingly participating the ultimate goal will be government control and power. Their immediate concern is how to break down the increasing control and power of the people ... the only real way is to attack the people themselves, destroying any grassroots leadership, demonizing the voices of this leadership and replace it with new voices, the voices of Judas goats.

Once they have this control, then using pot as a vehicle for population dumbing will be easy.

Oldyoti

"As usurpation is the exercise of power, which another hath
a right to; so tyranny is the exercise of power beyond right,
which nobody can have a right to."
~John Locke, "Of Civil Government" 1689

[phosphene]

By media scrutinizing the local grower as being the problem,

Where is this coming from?  the media isnt demonizing local growers. The co-intel pro has been successful. The sheeple are gonna pass the gov control legislation.

in 2009, californians got IOUs instead of tax returns. In 2010 the californians beg for more taxes. Its difficult to call the state the bad guy when the people are just askin for it.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1371885/california_to_issue_ious_for_income.html

[JT Coyoté]

Where is this coming from?  the media isnt demonizing local growers. The co-intel pro has been successful. The sheeple are gonna pass the gov control legislation.

in 2009, californians got IOUs instead of tax returns. In 2010 the californians beg for more taxes. Its difficult to call the state the bad guy when the people are just askin for it.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1371885/california_to_issue_ious_for_income.html

Read IT, my ENTIRE post again.  Only 30% is controllable under the top down idea of complete control, the grower users are outside the command and control scheme though feeding it.... this is a possible time tested scenario... to eliminate the local growers...

sheesh.

JTCoyoté

"Taxation is the art of plucking the goose,
so as to obtain the largest amount of feathers
with the smallest amount of hissing."
~Jean-Baptiste Colbert,
Minister of Finance under Louis XIV

[phosphene]

Read IT, my ENTIRE post again.  Only 30% is controllable under the top down idea of complete control, the grower users are outside the command and control scheme though feeding it.... this is a possible time tested scenario... to eliminate the local growers...

sheesh.

yes, licensing fees, inspections fees, and heavy taxation destroys small businesses. Yet, the people want more of it. They are demanding more of it, with the "Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010".

"Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010" is the result of the co-intel program called "the war on drugs". The legislation is not part of the social programming....its the desired result.

[JT Coyoté]

yes, licensing fees, inspections fees, and heavy taxation destroys small businesses. Yet, the people want more of it. They are demanding more of it, with the "Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010".

"Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010" is the result of the co-intel program called "the war on drugs". The legislation is not part of the social programming....its the desired result.

Agreed.

However, in the cannibus situation as it is structured -- the command and control is seen as coming from the state... in many, pot is being down graded to less danger than alcohol and will require a slightly different structure for the globies to control it completely in that so-called war.

JTCoyoté

"Our task of creating a Socialist
America can only succeed when
those who would resist us have
been totally disarmed."
~Sarah Brady
After a 1994 speech, unaware
the microphone was still on.

[Kilika]

They already have many years of real world testing in Amsterdam.

[Kinpa]

excellent discussion...i live in a medical marijuana state, and many people refuse to get the medical stuff because they dont want to give their info to uncle sam, also, it has been noticed recently, that those who went and got "the card" are being very much hassled by cops who now KNOW they use the stuff...of course, i live in a town on the canadian border that had a spy blimp flying over head for several months...not the kind of place one would want to trust...

Big Brother? you'd better believe it, and Big Bro wastes no opportunities...
Patients Protest Arrests and Raids of Medical Marijuana Establishments in Oakland County
http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/patients-protest-arrests-and-raids-of-medical-marijuana-establishments-in-oakland-county

[Kilika]

Here's the problem with that raid, which of course the Fox report is slanted. It was the Oakland County Sheriff's Department that did the raids, which is an agency of that state, well county, but it's still within the state's government structure and that state approved the law, so why are they doing the raids?

Obama says no more raids, that he leaves that to the state's as some are approving medical marijuana, so it's a state issue. So a state passes it, and they still raid people? Need a more detailed account of why the county did the raid. Something doesn't add up.

http://www.healthnews.com/hnprint/2712

[Kinpa]

Here's the problem with that raid, which of course the Fox report is slanted. It was the Oakland County Sheriff's Department that did the raids, which is an agency of that state, well county, but it's still within the state's government structure and that state approved the law, so why are they doing the raids?

Obama says no more raids, that he leaves that to the state's as some are approving medical marijuana, so it's a state issue. So a state passes it, and they still raid people? Need a more detailed account of why the county did the raid. Something doesn't add up.

http://www.healthnews.com/hnprint/2712

i find that few things add up, when a person is looking at a governmental agency's actions, and using their own common sense to do so...admittedly, a percentage of those that get the card, are doing so simply to legalize their smoking of, or selling of marijuana, and has nothing at all to do with any medical condition, but, these protesters are comprised of both ( i know several of them, some have the card for an actual medical reason that is covered under Michigan's medical marijuana laws, others are doing it to get away with smoking the stuff) and the point of contention that i have, is how does the sheriff's office know which is which? if they knew and had evidence, they would raid the individuals concerned, or the distribution point concerned, they wouldnt take action against all of them...at any rate, i have no access to the sheriff dept's reasoning for this, nor the point of sale's infractions that caused this, if i find out about one, the other, or both, i will let you know...

[Overcast]

Agreed.

However, in the cannibus situation as it is structured -- the command and control is seen as coming from the state... in many, pot is being down graded to less danger than alcohol and will require a slightly different structure for the globies to control it completely in that so-called war.

JTCoyoté

Indeed - it's a 'new' concept; makes perfect sense to apply 'new control' to it.

[hardrain77]

The thing with something like cannabis is you ultimately cannot regulate something that anyone has the means and now the legal ability to grow themselves rather inexpensively. Sure, they'll try the tax and regulation tactics, Big Pharma might attempt to come in and take it over, or Monsanto; but ultimately it's impossible to properly regulate something that grows so freely.

Right now, Marijuana is the essence of the free market. California will attempt to put a state control on it, but the cat's gonna be out of the bag. And when they find they can't control the market like they thought, what are they gonna do? Re-criminalize it? The outcry will be staggering. Colorado is having a tough time convincing its patients to enter into a statewide database--rightfully so.

I, myself, will vote yes on Prop 19. It may argue for more regulation and taxation (most bigger cities like Oakland do charge city tax already), but it would be overly positive for the mere message it sends--and that cannot be regulated.

[Kilika]

Cannabis should not be regulated any more than mums and roses, as they are all flowers.

Both mums and roses have medicinal properties, just different than cannabis. With all of it's values, cannabis should be a prized plant that is protected and researched heavily, and made as easily available as literally lawn grass. It can easily be used for far more things than aloe. And it's such a varied plant, it grows naturally all over most of the planet. How many other plants can say that? Not too many.

There should be no regulation of cannabis.

[EvadingGrid]

Cannabis should not be regulated any more than mums and roses, as they are all flowers.

Both mums and roses have medicinal properties, just different than cannabis. With all of it's values, cannabis should be a prized plant that is protected and researched heavily, and made as easily available as literally lawn grass. It can easily be used for far more things than aloe. And it's such a varied plant, it grows naturally all over most of the planet. How many other plants can say that? Not too many.

There should be no regulation of cannabis.

What people do on there own property is there biz.

[citizenx]

Lefty are you one of those holy rollers?

Holy smokes!

Not that there's anything wrong with it.

[Kilika]

Well, I make no secret that I advocate the medical use of cannabis. For self-indulgence just for the sake of getting "high"? No. I believe moderation is more edifying. And no, for personal use papers are a waiste and makes dosage difficult to measure, so I use a pipe.

[Overcast]

Lefty are you one of those holy rollers?

Holy smokes!

Not that there's anything wrong with it.

heh, you might be able to put me in that camp...

[citizenx]

Which camp...

The pot-smoking bible-thumpers?

I'm not for putting anybody into any camps, though.

But look up the word pharmakon (Greek) in a good Bible concordance.  See what the bible really says about drugs -- and "sorcery".

If you believe in it, Lefty.

[Kilika]

Which camp...

The pot-smoking bible-thumpers?

I'm not for putting anybody into any camps, though.

But look up the word pharmakon (Greek) in a good Bible concordance.  See what the bible really says about drugs -- and "sorcery".

If you believe in it, Lefty.

So you being an unbeliever, your going to tell me what my religion says? I assure you I know exactly what the bible says about sorcery, and what it says about people who try to call good evil, and evil good like your doing right now. Look that up why don't you?

What I believe is what you reject...

"I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that [there is] nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him [it is] unclean." Romans 14:14 (KJB)

[citizenx]

I don't know what I am and neither do you.

That is between me and God.


As for you, your relgion is so twisted I don't know where to begin.

Like I said, either put down the bible or the bong or both.

(I really think it should be the bong, but that's up to you.)

A Christian (pseudo-Christian) Zionist Extremist pseudo-Rastafarian is going to tell me whether I am a Christian or not?

I don't think so.

Put that in your Palestinian-hating pipe and smoke it.

[Kilika]

I don't hate people. Again, quit making unfounded accusations that arent' true. Indeed it is between you and God. It's not my place to judge your salvation status, but I sure am persuaded to make a judgement of your fruits. That's basic Christian doctrine.

By the way, if your going to lay any claim at all on being a Christian, you might refrain from having another religion quoted in your sig! That's promoting another god, and no Christian should do that for obvious reasons.

This also is what I believe...

"For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them." Luke 6:32 (KJB)

[phosphene]

Lefty are you one of those holy rollers?

When Jesus twisted up big fatties, he was a holy roller.

[Freeski]

When Jesus twisted up big fatties, he was a holy roller.

Roger Waters concert in T Minus 6 days!

I simply cannot wait!

(I think it moved)

[Overcast]

Which camp...

The pot-smoking bible-thumpers?

I'm not for putting anybody into any camps, though.

But look up the word pharmakon (Greek) in a good Bible concordance.  See what the bible really says about drugs -- and "sorcery".

If you believe in it, Lefty.

Both of those 'concepts' are only used to demonize others and their beliefs.

"Bible-Thumper" is just another slang insult used to toss at people that one doesn't agree with and would prefer to just have them 'silenced'.  Bible-Thumper or no, it's our right in this country. But I do digress, I don't go pounding people on the head with bible verses or passing judgment on them, saying they'll go to hell if they don't believe what I do!

"Drug" is another verbal 'tool' used to demonized particular substances in public opinion, mostly for power and control.

You hear 'pot' called a drug. Yet, you can't overdose on it, it's not physically addictive, and people on pot maintain a quite decent sense of control over themselves. Can't say that for alcohol, at all.

Aspirin, Cold Medicine, Sinus Tablets, Water Pills, Laxatives, you name any OTC medicine... you can overdose on ALL of those, fatally. But you don't hear people really calling 'cold medicine' a drug, but it's worse than pot from any viewpoint, if abused.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4608341/

But cold medicine's ok, right? It's made by a pharma company - mom and dad give it to the kiddies when they get a sniffle. Yet, chemically, it's much more dangerous than pot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dextromethorphan

"DXM is also used recreationally. When exceeding label-specified maximum dosages, dextromethorphan acts as a dissociative hallucinogen. Its mechanism of action is as an NMDA receptor antagonist, producing effects similar to those of the controlled substances ketamine and phencyclidine (PCP)"

Tell me it's not as bad as pot...

[citizenx]

I just prefer my religion drug-free and my drugs religion-free (or, rather, I preferred them that way when I did them).

De gustibus non disputandum est.

There is no disputing of tastes.

Personally, I am drug-free five plus years, and religion-free maybe three plus.



They don't sell the hard stuff cold medicine over here (SK). I think they stopped selling the good stuff (Contac) the old formula, and of course the really good stuff (with codeine) has been controlled all my life.

But you are right, almost anything can be dangerous if abused, and many other things we don't normally call drugs can be addictive/habit-forming.



On the matter of camps, I am hardly putting people in camps just for saying, "Fu#%ed up on drugs, fu#%ed up on religion."

Now, in the West some religious folk weren't quite so tolerant of free-thinkers lest we forget.

I am not for taking anybody's right to do drugs no matter how foolish that might be, and I am not for taking anybody's right to be a relgious nut either.

But I will feel as free to pass judgment on them as they seem to pass judgment on others.

Tit for tat.

[citizenx]

BTW, the following in no way represents my point-of-view.  I am posting it seems to relate to some of the central concerns of the thread re. future regulation (and licensing) of "legal" marijuana in the U.S.:

Cannabis should be sold in shops alongside beer and cigarettes, doctors' journal says
Cannabis should be sold in shops alongside alcohol and cigarettes, a leading doctors’ journal has said.
 
By Christopher Hope, Whitehall Editor
Published: 7:00PM BST 11 Oct 2010

 An editorial in the British Medical Journal suggested that the sale of cannabis should be licensed like cigarettes because banning it had not worked. Photo: PA
An editorial in the British Medical Journal suggested that the sale of cannabis should be licensed like alcohol because banning it had not worked.

Banning cannabis had increased drug-related violence because enforcement made “the illicit market a richer prize for criminal groups to fight over”.

 
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In fact cannabis related drugs arrests in the US increased from 350,000 in 1990 to more than 800,000 a year by 2006, with seizures quintupling to 1.1million kilogrammes.

The editorial, written by Professor Robin Room of Melbourne University, said: “In some places, state controlled instruments - such as licensing regimes, inspectors, and sales outlets run by the Government - are still in place for alcohol and these could be extended to cover cannabis.”

continued:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8056292/Cannabis-should-be-sold-in-shops-alongside-beer-and-cigarettes-doctors-journal-says.html

[Kinpa]

i find that few things add up, when a person is looking at a governmental agency's actions, and using their own common sense to do so...admittedly, a percentage of those that get the card, are doing so simply to legalize their smoking of, or selling of marijuana, and has nothing at all to do with any medical condition, but, these protesters are comprised of both ( i know several of them, some have the card for an actual medical reason that is covered under Michigan's medical marijuana laws, others are doing it to get away with smoking the stuff) and the point of contention that i have, is how does the sheriff's office know which is which? if they knew and had evidence, they would raid the individuals concerned, or the distribution point concerned, they wouldnt take action against all of them...at any rate, i have no access to the sheriff dept's reasoning for this, nor the point of sale's infractions that caused this, if i find out about one, the other, or both, i will let you know...

in the case of the article i posted, i found out that the police, went into a medical marijuana center (a place where the prescriptions are filled ) and seized medical records, then used those to track down all the growers/caregivers and their patients, the ones actually having a medical condition covered under the medical marijuana legislation in michigan...big brother is stepping in strongly...so far...

[Overcast]

But I will feel as free to pass judgment on them as they seem to pass judgment on others.

Tit for tat.

Many do 'pass judgment', indeed - but for a Christian; that means that they are not adhering to their faith.

I'm christian; yet, I won't presume to tell you that you are 'going to hell' if you don't believe as I do. That's between you and God. "You", just meaning in general X, not personal.

And while I say I'm 'christian' I do not associate with a 'religion' per se; I am non-denominational. I follow what I believe is the word of God, not the concept of 'religion'. I think 'religion' and the so-called 'Christians' that 'judge' others have done more to harm God's word than anything.  I was agnostic for many years; but after a lot of reasoning, I came to challenge my own beliefs - a lot. So I decided to; for better or worse, find my own way and not just blindly follow what others had to say. It's pretty easy for me to spot those with an agenda now, after all that.

That and I really can't argue that any 'drug' is no good for you, but at the same time, my 'use' of any drug isn't much different from anyone that likes to eat a chocolate bar once a day or so. I can and have quit multiple times for whatever reasons, it never interferes with work.

To all that; I respect your opinions on both drugs and religion

Oh and as for the 'camp' thing - that was my words, not yours anyway. By that I just really meant in that 'group'. Yeah.. I know a lot of Christians would consider my beliefs 'evil' and 'heretical' - but hey, who are they to judge?

[citizenx]

I don't know, overcast.  Yes, I'm calling for a little common-sense on this one.

My step-brother died of an opiates overdose at 33.

Some drugs are harder than others -- period.

This of course has nothing to do with marijuana, so I won't belabor it, but I can't agree that heroin and the like are has harmless as chocolate -- or only as harmful.

[Overcast]

I don't know, overcast.  Yes, I'm calling for a little common-sense on this one.

My step-brother died of an opiates overdose at 33.

Some drugs are harder than others -- period.

This of course has nothing to do with marijuana, so I won't belabor it, but I can't agree that heroin and the like are has harmless as chocolate -- or only as harmful.

Oh, well - yes, I wasn't talking about anything other than natural weed. Sorry for that confusion

Opiates are probably the WORST abused drug now, since most all prescription pain killers are based on Opium. In no way do I think that: cocaine, heroin, PCP, opium, etc are 'harmless'...

[EvadingGrid]

in the case of the article i posted, i found out that the police, went into a medical marijuana center (a place where the prescriptions are filled ) and seized medical records, then used those to track down all the growers/caregivers and their patients, the ones actually having a medical condition covered under the medical marijuana legislation in michigan...big brother is stepping in strongly...so far...

That is the point behind JT Coyote's article....
Its being used by Big Brother Police State.

As to the bible, despite weed being well known at the time, the bible remains strangely silent. Still that does not stop the nutjobs with there dogmatic twisted theories. The nearest I can see is the bible does encourage moderate appropriate alcohol consumption, but despises mindless drunkenness. But note, that did not stop the puritan trolls twisting things - despite Jesus making water into wine when the booze ran out at the wedding.

Anyway, I'm teetotal and 100% dry.

What is fact is

The NWO ships massive amounts of heroin into russia
The Prohibiton was a charter to NWO Gangsters
That Big Brother is evil and distorts everything.
That weed is a god given herb.

I think JT Coyote's article is well targeted and a very interesting angle.

[Kinpa]

That is the point behind JT Coyote's article....
Its being used by Big Brother Police State.

As to the bible, despite weed being well known at the time, the bible remains strangely silent. Still that does not stop the nutjobs with there dogmatic twisted theories. The nearest I can see is the bible does encourage moderate appropriate alcohol consumption, but despises mindless drunkenness. But note, that did not stop the puritan trolls twisting things - despite Jesus making water into wine when the booze ran out at the wedding.

Anyway, I'm teetotal and 100% dry.

What is fact is

The NWO ships massive amounts of heroin into russia
The Prohibiton was a charter to NWO Gangsters
That Big Brother is evil and distorts everything.
That weed is a god given herb.

I think JT Coyote's article is well targeted and a very interesting angle.

yes i know, i read it....i was providing real world confirmation that it IS happening...Big Brother wastes no opportunities...

[Overcast]

Feds oppose Calif. Prop 19 to legalize marijuana

By Marcus Wohlsen And Pete Yost, Associated Press Writer
SAN FRANCISCO — Attorney General Eric Holder says the federal government will enforce its marijuana laws in California even if voters next month make the state the first in the nation to legalize the drug.

The Justice Department strongly opposes California's Proposition 19 and remains firmly committed to enforcing the federal Controlled Substances Act in all states, Holder wrote in a letter to former chiefs of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration. The Associated Press obtained a copy of the letter, dated Wednesday.

"We will vigorously enforce the CSA against those individuals and organizations that possess, manufacture or distribute marijuana for recreational use, even if such activities are permitted under state law," Holder wrote.

The attorney general also said that legalizing recreational marijuana in California would be a "significant impediment" to the government's joint efforts with state and local law enforcement to target drug traffickers, who often distribute marijuana alongside cocaine and other drugs.

He said the ballot measure's passage would "significantly undermine" efforts to keep California communities safe.

If Proposition 19 passes in November, California would become the first state to legalize and regulate recreational pot use. Adults could possess up to one ounce of the drug and grow small gardens on private property. Local governments would decide whether to allow and tax sales of the drug.

The state has clashed with federal authorities over marijuana since 1996, when voters approved a first-of-its-kind ballot measure that allowed people to grow and use pot for medical purposes. Thirteen other states and the District of Columbia have legalized medical marijuana.

Under federal law, marijuana is still strictly illegal. The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that the federal government has the right to enforce its ban regardless of state law.

During the Bush administration, retail pot dispensaries across the state faced regular raids from federal anti-drug agents. Their owners were sometimes sentenced to decades in prison for drug trafficking.

Yet the medical marijuana industry still grew, and has expanded even more since Holder said last year that federal law enforcement would defer to state laws on using it for medicinal purposes.

Some legal scholars and policy analysts have questioned how much the Justice Department could really do on the ground to halt a state-sanctioned recreational pot trade.

Nearly all arrests for marijuana crimes are made at the state level. Of more than 847,000 marijuana-related arrests in 2008, for example, just over 6,300 suspects were booked by federal law enforcement, or fewer than 1 percent.

___

Yost reported from Washington.

[phosphene]

The Justice Department strongly opposes California's Proposition 19 and remains firmly committed to enforcing the federal Controlled Substances Act in all states, Holder wrote in a letter to former chiefs of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration.

http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/scheduling.html
Marijuana is a schedule 1 drug, the feds are just following their own rules(imagine that). And Californians are getting ready to add some of their own rules on top of em.

Prop 19 = "Please, state, will you control, regulate, and tax marijuana for us? Pretty please? We love the boot."

[JT Coyoté]

yes i know, i read it....i was providing real world confirmation that it IS happening...Big Brother wastes no opportunities...

The facts in this matter are pretty clear -- It's indeed happening, and was predictable from the beginning given the nature of the globalist beast pushing this.

In the marijuana debate like in any other debate for control or a qualified government moderated so-called legalization, those seeking the control, namely corporate government, infiltrate and force wedges between or create factions within a particular movement.  

If marijuana possession, use, and cultivation were treated more like the growing of radishes, carrots, lettuce, rice, beans and pumpkins, there would be no divisive inside debate.  Whether the person was cultivating, using, or possessing the product for religious purposes, just for the fun of it, for medical reasons, or to weave into hemp garments, would be purely up to the individual.  

The whole debate and debacle, the entirety of the taxing and surveillance grid, would not be necessary ... but then the corporate government and the powers that be, would have no control over it to become rich from another corporate government created scarcity scheme.  

Folks are going to have to decide whether they truly want to be free, in the light of liberty and responsibility, or if they want to be regulated by the nanny corporate government ... photographed, surveiled, fingerprinted, face-scanned, prosecuted, fined, and jailed, in a power usurping corporate government scheme that treats people like cattle, and WILL be implemented soon enough, not only for marijuana but for your food and other necessities as well.  

The medical marijuana scheme is a veiled gateway to Big Brother control, pure and simple!

JTCoyoté

"If men, through fear, fraud, or mistake,
should in terms renounce or give up any
natural right...The right to freedom being
the gift of God, it is not in the power of
man to alienate this gift and voluntarily
become a slave." ~Samuel Adams
The Father of the American Rebellion
and War for Independence

[phosphene]

If marijuana possession, use, and cultivation were treated more like the growing of radishes, carrots, lettuce, rice, beans and pumpkins, there would be no divisive inside debate.

thats what im talkin bout.

freedom > legalization

marijuana needs to come off the government books....we shouldnt be adding more legislation on top of it.

[Freeski]

thats what im talkin bout.

freedom > legalization

marijuana needs to come off the government books....we shouldnt be adding more legislation on top of it.

+ everything!

Nobody has the right to decide whether we free people can enjoy, use, abuse, admire or simply be among ANYTHING that is a part of this natural world, which was given to all of us -- by God, Mother Nature or whatever force you believe gave it to us.

[Kinpa]

+ everything!

Nobody has the right to decide whether we free people can enjoy, use, abuse, admire or simply be among ANYTHING that is a part of this natural world, which was given to all of us -- by God, Mother Nature or whatever force you believe gave it to us.

i just happen to agree with you, word for word...