Soetoro's Certification of Live Birth IS NOT Valid & NEVER Accepted by Hawaii

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State of Hawaii Says Obama “Birth Certificate” Not Valid
http://ngoldfarb.wordpress.com/2009/05/15/state-of-hawaii-says-obama-birth-certificate-not-valid/
 May 15, 2009

Factcheck.org, the “unbiased” truth seeker that has published Obama’s Certification of Live Birth that they say proves Obama was born in America, in “truth” is operated by the totally biased Annenberg Foundation that gave Obama and Bill Ayres $110 million to spend on improving education. But Obama and Ayres actually spent the $110 million teaching Chicago kids to vote for his sponsor Mayor Daley. The Annenberg Foundation did a follow up study that proved Obama and Ayres did not improve educational test scores by any amount.

Want proof of Annenberg’s bias and dishonesty?  Annenberg’s factcheck.org says that Ayres and Obama did not do know each other then!! Even though the Annenberg Foundation knows that Bill Ayres founded the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (or “CAC”) and hired Obama to be its President for five years, all documented by the Corporate Minutes of the CAC that U. of Illinios Prof. William Ayres  donated to the archives section of the University of Illinois Library at its Chicago campus.   Ie., this is not web chatter, it is documented in the University of Illinois Library Archives!!  Commenters are calling me a liar. Go to Chicago and read it yourself!  Annenberg certainly knows the name of the President of a group to which it gave $110 million, and that name is Barack Obama! So Annenberg has proved, with its own contradictory published statements, that Annenberg and its website factcheck.org tell lies to benefit Obama, and that its own website factcheck.org publishes lies.

Back to the Obama/Factcheck.org “Certificate of Live Birth.”

Hawaii’s official birth certificate is the “Certificate of Live Birth” which is different from the “Certification of Live Birth”. Changing the “e” to “ion” is all the difference in the world. Obama and factcheck.org only publish the “ion” version, which is merely a computer printout, and not a birth certificate. How else are they different? Read and weep.

Annenberg’s factcheck.org continues to publish, even today,  Obama “Certification of Live Birth,” and Annenberg claims falsely that this proves Obama was born in the USA.

Annenberg’s corrupt factcheck,org published thousands of words about this but never once says that their document id the “ion” version, not the genuine “e” version. The most tragically comic statements on the corrupt factcheck.org is they quote people who “have seen” the “e” version.

Golly, Molly, if people “have seen” it,  why won’t Obama produce it?

Only one answer: it doesn’t exist. You would think by now, after he has been President so long, the FBI could have cooked up a good forgery for him? Don’t worry, eventually some liberal progressive totalitarian creep will forge one, but the fact that they went so long without producing it proves that no valid birth certificatE ever existed or they would have produced it.

Here is what the State of Hawaii’s official government websites publish about the matter:

QUOTE: “The Certification of Live Birth is a legal document, but it is TOTALLY INADEQUATE when it comes to proving an individual was born in Hawaii.

     The State of Hawaii DOES NOT EVEN ACCEPT the Certification of Live Birth as valid proof that an individual was born in Hawaii.

     The Hawaii Department of Homelands, which administers programs to encourage property ownership for native Hawaiians states the following on its website.

“In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found ONLY on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth(a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.“ [Emphasis Mine].

     The bottom line is that the Certification of Live Birth can be erroneous. It has been reported that it was not uncommon for foreigners residing in Hawaii to bring their infant children to the Clerk of the Court, swear they were born in Hawaii and have actual Certificates of Live Birth issued to their children.

    It has even been reported that foreigners residing in Hawaii, in some cases, produced birth certificates from foreign countries and the State of Hawaii still issued Hawaiian Certificates of Live Birth to the infants in question.
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The only way to know for sure if Barry Soetoro was eligable to be president is if he produced his birth certificate. The certification of live birth is not sufficient as proof. Besides, it was never accepted by the State of Hawaii to begin with.

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/05/obamas-certification-of-live-birth-form.html

Look closely at the lower left-hand corner of these certificates. Obama's says "Date filed by Registrar" instead of "Date Accepted by State Registrar".



I also saw in Hawaii's statutes that foreigners can get a Hawaii certification of live birth which I am trying to find back again.
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To further show that a Certification of Live Birth isn't valid proof of being natural born, the Hawaii Statutes say that foreign born can get such a certificate as long as they was a residence of Hawaii for one year.



Birth Certificate Vs. Certification Of Live Birth
http://freedomedium.com/2009/07/birth-certificate-vs-certification-of-live-birth/
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Pay close attention to the following Hawaiian legal statute:

[§338-17.8]  Certificates for children born out of State.
(a)  Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
(b)  Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate.  The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.
(c)  The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]”

Everybody get that?

As long as an adult can walk into Hawaii’s version of the Department of Records and provide proof that they are a legal resident of Hawaii, the document is issued.

The child, on the other hand, could have been born in Hawaii, Kenya, or a back-alley in Budapest.



Yup, it's right there, foreign born can get certificates as long as they have resided in the state for at least one year:

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrs2008/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.htm
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Amazing how nutty these guys are. I suppose when the matrix was fully operational, they could get away with such things. Just look at the JFK assassination, there were thousands of discrepencies. Now even stuff that would be passed over 40 years ago is easily exposed thanks to the matrix of deceit being fully understood.
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To further show that a Certification of Live Birth isn't valid proof of being natural born, the Hawaii Statutes say that foreign born can get such a certificate as long as they was a residence of Hawaii for one year.



Birth Certificate Vs. Certification Of Live Birth
http://freedomedium.com/2009/07/birth-certificate-vs-certification-of-live-birth/
July 17, 2009 · carl



Yup, it's right there, foreign born can get certificates as long as they have resided in the state for at least one year:

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrs2008/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.htm

Thanks Route & Dig for your posts on this issue.


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Only one problem with this otherwise excellent analysis.

What about the fact that the certification lists his place of birth as being in Oahu?

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This completely exposes that he has never, ever presented a true ACCEPTED birth certificate...short or long form. Only that there was the filing of one. Now, who is holding onto the REJECTED copy? Is there evidence that they send a copy which says REJECTED?

What happens when someone files but is not accepted?
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Only one problem with this otherwise excellent analysis.

What about the fact that the certification lists his place of birth as being in Oahu?



ISLAND OF BIRTH...




County of birth is cropped out to show the comparisons with the other certificates, here is the full certificate:


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call up with the certificate number and ask "Yeah, I am just checking... has that application been accepted yet by the registrar?"
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What happens when someone files but is not accepted?


I would say the filing, since the form doesn't give the accepted date that the filing is not complete and therefore it is NOT VALID as proof of being natural born.

I also noticed that the statute actually says "birth certificate" in it. So Soetoro could have gotten an actual birth certificate from Hawaii as long as he was a legal resident for one year. But that would mean even if he produced it, it still wouldn't mean he was actually born in Hawaii.
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Hey, we have the Shroud of Turin which if fake, is a most incredible fake.  The fact is that if 'they' wanted to have an accepted Birth Certificate, they could have prepped one up and rolled it out a long time ago, whether he was truly natural born or not.

The fact that they didn't, which I'm sort of disappointed with,  ::), makes one wonder why not.  Why still, all the secrecy?  Was it because they didn't have time and so he went about the legislation to hinder anyone from seeing it?  And if so, they've had plenty of time to 'create' one by now.

This is the one thing that has always had me stumped about the whole issue.  They are and always have been able to present one real or not...but haven't.  How come?

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call up with the certificate number and ask "Yeah, I am just checking... has that application been accepted yet by the registrar?"

Aha, I get what you're saying.

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This completely exposes that he has never, ever presented a true ACCEPTED birth certificate...short or long form. Only that there was the filing of one. Now, who is holding onto the REJECTED copy? Is there evidence that they send a copy which says REJECTED?

What happens when someone files but is not accepted?

I would like to see an official REJECTED stamp on this incomplete filing myself.

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Hey, we have the Shroud of Turin which if fake, is a most incredible fake.  The fact is that if 'they' wanted to have an accepted Birth Certificate, they could have prepped one up and rolled it out a long time ago, whether he was truly natural born or not.

The fact that they didn't, which I'm sort of disappointed with,  ::), makes one wonder why not.  Why still, all the secrecy?  Was it because they didn't have time and so he went about the legislation to hinder anyone from seeing it?  And if so, they've had plenty of time to 'create' one by now.

This is the one thing that has always had me stumped about the whole issue.  They are and always have been able to present one real or not...but haven't.  How come?

Many possibilities--but here's a couple

1. To prove they (NWO) can install anyone into the WH and get away with it.
2. If they did make one, then it would lead to attending doctors, the hospital, and people who were present at the birth, etc. that would have to be part of the deception all playing their roles and maintaining them in public---messy and complicated.

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Hey, we have the Shroud of Turin which if fake, is a most incredible fake.  The fact is that if 'they' wanted to have an accepted Birth Certificate, they could have prepped one up and rolled it out a long time ago, whether he was truly natural born or not.

The fact that they didn't, which I'm sort of disappointed with,  ::), makes one wonder why not.  Why still, all the secrecy?  Was it because they didn't have time and so he went about the legislation to hinder anyone from seeing it?  And if so, they've had plenty of time to 'create' one by now.

This is the one thing that has always had me stumped about the whole issue.  They are and always have been able to present one real or not...but haven't.  How come?

there are 10x the additional liability associated with forging government documents and you open the conspiracy to many more people. They feel like they control 60-70% of Americans with Maddow, Matthews, and others yelling at people who disagree and Infragard saying it would cause a constitutional crisis (which it would not-Infragard is a bona fide constitutional crisis). They rather yell at a percentage and tell them to F off then to open the conspiracy wider and risk more people moving sides.

The problem is that I think they have no clue how quickly people are waking up.
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Just so we are clear why the NWO is scared shitless about this issue...

It dissolves the fake left/right paradigm and leaves in its place... 310 million Americans v. a handful of thiefs who stole $30 Trillion

There is zero proof of citizenship, there are reports to the FBI saying there is likely a constitutional crisis. There is the oddity of the McCain issue. There are high level Dems expressing doubt. There are lists of citizens to surveille based on them legally and constitutionally asking questions.

Here is the deal. The GOP base is working deals right now with the Dem base to not veto any Obama signed banksters bills as long as the Dems do not block the upcoming shift in the political landscape.

We need to expose this rampant deal making on both sides which continues to keep the crooked banksters and technocrat elites powerful and in control.

The same thing was done between Pelosi and the GOP as long as Rumsfeld got out all impeachment hearings would be blocked. And then with Obama, the deal was for Bush to push the Dem supported original TARP insanity. THe deal was if Bush signed it, he would not be investigated for torture and war crimes. At the higher levels they do not even need these deals.

So now we are going to see another shift and the deals are already being made. GOP will accept all the anti-constitutional bills if the Dems give up majorities in the congress. And Jon Stewart, Colbert, and the rest of the peanut gallery is having average citizens still holding onto the left/right garbage spend all their time and energy being "Party loyal" so that they can protect us from those evil GOP.

THEY BOTH WORK FOR THE SAME BANKERS!

Progressives, wake up, you already have been sold out.   Neocons wake up, you have also been sold out.
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Many possibilities--but here's a couple

1. To prove they (NWO) can install anyone into the WH and get away with it.
2. If they did make one, then it would lead to attending doctors, the hospital, and people who were present at the birth, etc. that would have to be part of the deception all playing their roles and maintaining them in public---messy and complicated.

Of course, Protean!  Makes perfect sense.  Too many "cooks in the kitchen"?

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The problem is that I think they have no clue how quickly people are waking up.

Agreed.  Many say it is useless to have so much knowledge without the power to inflict any change, yet we see the elite scrambling to get a grip and in the meantime we get the likes of an alien czar.  lol.  That one just makes me laugh at how far they've had to go to keep things on tract when the terrorist ploys seem to be dissentegrating before their eyes.

Knowledge is power and the questions getting attention in the media alone, are proof that it is!!!

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Of course, Protean!  Makes perfect sense.  Too many "cooks in the kitchen"?

Agreed.  Many say it is useless to have so much knowledge without the power to inflict any change, yet we see the elite scrambling to get a grip and in the meantime we get the likes of an alien czar.  lol.  That one just makes me laugh at how far they've had to go to keep things on tract when the terrorist ploys seem to be dissentegrating before their eyes.

Knowledge is power and the questions getting attention in the media alone, are proof that it is!!!

Mark Dice quoted a 1984 excerpt a few days ago on the AJ show:

"If there was hope, it must lie in the proles, because only there in those swarming disregarded masses, 85 per cent of the population of Oceania, could the force to destroy the Party ever be generated. The Party could not be overthrown from within. Its enemies, if it had any enemies, had no way of coming together or even of identifying one another. Even if the legendary Brotherhood existed, as just possibly it might, it was inconceivable that its members could ever assemble in larger numbers than twos and threes. Rebellion meant a look in the eyes, an inflexion of the voice, at the most, an occasional whispered word. But the proles, if only they could somehow become conscious of their own strength, would have no need to conspire." Book 1, Chapter 7

George Orwell foresaw all of the surveillance, even thought crimes, but he also exposed their greatest fear...an awakening. And it is already too late for them, the genie is out of the bottle. No one needs to meet, no one needs to conspire. It is now obvious to tell bullshit from shinola. They have in the last 3 months forced psyops news stories by the tens of thousands and all it is doing is quickening an awakening. No one believes them, hollywood is turning against the elite, the military is waking up, law enforcement is waking up, millionaires are waking up. Orwell lied about 85%...it is likely to be 99.9999%.
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Hawaii "Certification of Live Birth" - Date Accepted vs. Date Filed (Some clues)
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DecaLogos ^ | February 8, 2009 | Mike C (Comment Section)

Posted on Thursday, July 30, 2009 8:25:00 PM by trueamerica

On the Decosta COLB (which no one alleges is a fake,) every field header matches that of the Obama COLB except for one. On hers it says : Date ACCEPTED By State Registrar. On Obamas it says Date FILED By Registrar (Notice not the state registrar, this would be the local one ). Two different things. Either that field header is forged in Obamas ( they are from the same form - OHSM 1.1 Revised (11/01) ) or it means his registration was FILED at that date BUT was not ACCEPTED. If you look at the long form copy of the birth certificate available online from 1963, Field 20 says : Date Accepted by Local Registrar. Field 22 says Date Accepted by Registrar General ( which is the State Registrar ).A change from accepted to filed are significant enough linguistic changes that a different form would have to be created. Legally, accepted and filed are two very different things. So both these phrase were used on the form depending on the circumstances.

This section of the Hawaii Revised Statutes explains why that would be used:

Sec 338-16 ( late registration defined ) d) When an applicant does not submit the minimum documentation required by the rules for late registration or “when the state registrar finds reasons to question the validity or adequacy of the certificate or the documentary evidence, the state registrar shall not register the late certificate and shall advise the applicant of the reason for this action.”

So, something entered on the long form was not verifiable and thus, it was not approved by the state.
So assuming his online COLB is not fake ( or the forgers were just too incompetent to notice they put in the wrong field header ), all you have with his online COLB is a FILING, not an ACCEPTED certificate

Could this be what he is hiding?
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Hawaii "Certification of Live Birth" - Date Accepted vs. Date Filed (Some clues)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2304917/posts
DecaLogos ^ | February 8, 2009 | Mike C (Comment Section)

Posted on Thursday, July 30, 2009 8:25:00 PM by trueamerica

On the Decosta COLB (which no one alleges is a fake,) every field header matches that of the Obama COLB except for one. On hers it says : Date ACCEPTED By State Registrar. On Obamas it says Date FILED By Registrar (Notice not the state registrar, this would be the local one ). Two different things. Either that field header is forged in Obamas ( they are from the same form - OHSM 1.1 Revised (11/01) ) or it means his registration was FILED at that date BUT was not ACCEPTED. If you look at the long form copy of the birth certificate available online from 1963, Field 20 says : Date Accepted by Local Registrar. Field 22 says Date Accepted by Registrar General ( which is the State Registrar ).A change from accepted to filed are significant enough linguistic changes that a different form would have to be created. Legally, accepted and filed are two very different things. So both these phrase were used on the form depending on the circumstances.

This section of the Hawaii Revised Statutes explains why that would be used:

Sec 338-16 ( late registration defined ) d) When an applicant does not submit the minimum documentation required by the rules for late registration or ?when the state registrar finds reasons to question the validity or adequacy of the certificate or the documentary evidence, the state registrar shall not register the late certificate and shall advise the applicant of the reason for this action.?

So, something entered on the long form was not verifiable and thus, it was not approved by the state.
So assuming his online COLB is not fake ( or the forgers were just too incompetent to notice they put in the wrong field header ), all you have with his online COLB is a FILING, not an ACCEPTED certificate

Could this be what he is hiding?

This was known for over 1.5 years, dang them mass mind control psyops are good. But always remember...truth buried will rise again.
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Many possibilities--but here's a couple

1. To prove they (NWO) can install anyone into the WH and get away with it.
2. If they did make one, then it would lead to attending doctors, the hospital, and people who were present at the birth, etc. that would have to be part of the deception all playing their roles and maintaining them in public---messy and complicated.


Gotta go with #2. Very messy. It seems the idea being to simply ignore and put off for as long as possible till people are out of office. Bush and his crowd walked off into the sunset, like virtually all the previous thugs. There is a very good reason why they have made the process so bloated and complex. It's used to slow things down, when they choose to delay. The critical information is the doctor and the actual hospital because those people are potential material witnesses to his birth, as well as any personel that worked that shift that day. Then there is their coworkers that can attest to the attending employees, etc. They have effectively blocked the whole chain of verification that what he claims is true.

The question is also who is responsible for verifying his documents when he applies to run for an office such as president? Who checks his actual documentation, his paperwork that must be filed? Who are the people that are in charge of saying his paperwork is in order? Those people need to give some answers seeing Obama isn't.

They are responsible, as in it's their job, so the search starts with the people that officially said he can run for president, and have them explain how it is that they verified his paperwork, including his birth certificate. Running for president, his paperwork should be pristine, especially since there are laws requiring it. So if not done yet, the whole process of him applying as a candidate needs checking, and part of that involved forcing the Democratic Party to answer some hard questions.

Up to the point he put his name in the hat for president, he was legal to run for all kinds of offices, including senator. But president is different because of "natural born". I can see him being able to go through the political ranks for a long time and never actually produce a real certificate. But when he said "president", that changed everything, and his birth place must be verified as natural born. That's constitutional law. A constitutional lawyer would know that, and I'm sure he does, whether he can really be called a lawyer or not. But the secrecy has to stop. It's unacceptable of a president, and it is the constitutional right of the people to demand proof of him and the political parties, proof which has yet to be produced.
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Mark Dice quoted a 1984 excerpt a few days ago on the AJ show:

"If there was hope, it must lie in the proles, because only there in those swarming disregarded masses, 85 per cent of the population of Oceania, could the force to destroy the Party ever be generated. The Party could not be overthrown from within. Its enemies, if it had any enemies, had no way of coming together or even of identifying one another. Even if the legendary Brotherhood existed, as just possibly it might, it was inconceivable that its members could ever assemble in larger numbers than twos and threes. Rebellion meant a look in the eyes, an inflexion of the voice, at the most, an occasional whispered word. But the proles, if only they could somehow become conscious of their own strength, would have no need to conspire." Book 1, Chapter 7

George Orwell foresaw all of the surveillance, even thought crimes, but he also exposed their greatest fear...an awakening. And it is already too late for them, the genie is out of the bottle. No one needs to meet, no one needs to conspire. It is now obvious to tell bullshit from shinola. They have in the last 3 months forced psyops news stories by the tens of thousands and all it is doing is quickening an awakening. No one believes them, hollywood is turning against the elite, the military is waking up, law enforcement is waking up, millionaires are waking up. Orwell lied about 85%...it is likely to be 99.9999%.

A most excellent quote!  If the people only knew the power they truly held instead of bowing down to stealthy, mind-controlled manipulation. The smallest of businessman take great interest in the study of human behaviour to back his marketing, imagine the studies by governments, backed by billions, to corral the population's basic human instincts into a small, controlled experiment, by the greatest axis of evil.  The implications themselves espouse complete and utter disregard for the very lives of any one person.  It's evil is blatant and obvious these days and proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that sinister plans are afoot.