Obama's mother is a US citizen, but no one knows if Barry is one

[Optimus]

Good info, Route!

 

[jofortruth]

RE: Executive Order 13489 Presidential Records - Obama - Some think he used to hide his Birth Certificate:
http://www.infowars.com/obama-signs-executive-order-barring-release-of-his-birth-certificate/

Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978:
http://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/laws/1978-act.html

Obama PRA:
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/2009-obama.html#13489

Bush PRA:
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=2001_register&docid=fr05no01-104.pdf

Reagan PRA:
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/codification/executive-order/12667.html?template=print


I WOULD QUESTION WHY ALL 3 OF THESE PRESIDENTS AMENDED THE PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS ACT OF 1978 WHEN IN OFFICE? Did all three have something to hide? They are the only 3 to do so!

[Dig]

RE: Executive Order 13489 Presidential Records - Obama - Some think he used to hide his Birth Certificate:
http://www.infowars.com/obama-signs-executive-order-barring-release-of-his-birth-certificate/

Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978:
http://www.archives.gov/presidential-libraries/laws/1978-act.html

Obama PRA:
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/2009-obama.html#13489

Bush PRA:
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=2001_register&docid=fr05no01-104.pdf

Reagan PRA:
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/codification/executive-order/12667.html?template=print


I WOULD QUESTION WHY ALL 3 OF THESE PRESIDENTS AMENDED THE PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS ACT OF 1978 WHEN IN OFFICE? Did all three have something to hide? They are the only 3 to do so!

So are you convinced yet that the title of this thread should be changed yet? let me know, thanks

I guess I could see the current title being useful to get more people to look at the plethora of evidence.

[jofortruth]

You might change it to something like this:

Obama may be a US Citizen by way of his 1 parent, but many questions still exist

How about that? This will attract more attention, I agree, and also show us as more evenhanded on the subject even though a serious issue. More will want to inquire further, IMO.

What do you suggest we do? Give me some choices that you come up using these ideas.

 

[Dig]

You might change it to something like this:

Obama may be a US Citizen by way of his 1 parent, but many questions still exist

How about that? This will attract more attention, I agree, and also show us as more evenhanded on the subject even though a serious issue. More will want to inquire further, IMO.

What do you suggest we do?

 

Well, not sure. I guess I never fully understood your point of this thread in the first place. You are basically saying that you agree that he is likely not a natural born citizen but that he may be a naturalized citizen because his mother was American when he was born?

If that was the case, there should be some record of this somewhere I would imagine.

[Rebelitarian]

Yeah but she was in Kenya at the time so Obama is not natural-born.

[jofortruth]

I think he was born in Kenya, but by virtue of his American mother he would be technically a US Citizen. However, there is still the question of Kenyan law on birthright which we are not clear on, IMO. I know what the US laws said in 1961 (the document i posted in my first thread), but don't know what Kenyan law says totally.


* Obama born in Kenya, but had 1 American parent. Questions still exist about Citizenship!

How about that?

I don't think Naturalized is the right word, not based on the laws in 1961. It says he would have been a Citizen by virtue of his mother.

I would take out Naturalized and leave it ambiguous, which it really is.

[Rebelitarian]

He may be naturalized but he is still not qualified to be President.

Only Natural-Born citizens can be President.

[jofortruth]

I feel confidant in saying he was born in Kenya. There are many admissions to such, and family members saying such.

I'm not confident in using the word "Naturalized" based on the citizenship laws at the time.


The title you have looks good except the use of the one word "Naturalized".   Why not say:

"OBama was born in Kenya to a US Citizen mother, but questions still exist"

[tritonman]

ONE HUGE problem naturalized citizens do not qualify to be president.  BIG OOOOPS>  Please read the constitution on this one, do not take my word.

[Rebelitarian]

Barack H. Obama - Born in Kenya IV - The Real Birth Certifiacte AT LAST!
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMF51vXblFI
 
Alex Jones - Phil Berg interview !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21-1cWqZG4g
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBEothvYfkY
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TgKU1LGyv8
 
 
Obama Forgery Exposed (Dr. Polarik Official Use)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDIVEfVGLBQ

[jofortruth]

The other thing that is possible is that his mother worked for the State Dept (isnt that connected to the Ford Fdn) and that she had some sort of diplomatic passport of some type. This is not clear, however we know she made a lot of trips to Indonesia doing her so called FIELD TRIPS working on her phd in Anthropology, IMO combined with work for Ford Foundation women's work and the microfinancing projects.

[Kilika]

He may be naturalized but he is still not qualified to be President.

Only Natural-Born citizens can be President.

Right, but his birthplace has to be proven first, which is supposedly what election officials would do to determine if he was legally able to run for president. As it is, he's blocking all attempts to prove what he cliams, and that to me is criminal in itself.

[jofortruth]

Ok, Dig! I'll go along with that. It at least begs the question that this guy doesn't have the routine method of citizenship, but is different.

Good change!

[Rebelitarian]

Is this forum suffering from the Paul-Reiser effect  or what ??

Barack H. Obama - Born in Kenya IV - The Real Birth Certifiacte AT LAST!
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMF51vXblFI
 
OBAMA IS NOT A LEGAL OR CONSTITUTIONAL PRESIDENT.

[jofortruth]

Barack H. Obama - Born in Kenya IV - The Real Birth Certifiacte AT LAST!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMF51vXblFI
 

I don't think Orly Taitz is credible, so this video wouldn't prove anything. That is her in the beginning of the video. Even Berg later said he didn't think she was credible, isn't that right, DIG?

[Dig]

I think he was born in Kenya, but by virtue of his American mother he would be technically a US Citizen. However, there is still the question of Kenyan law on birthright which we are not clear on, IMO. I know what the US laws said in 1961 (the document i posted in my first thread), but don't know what Kenyan law says totally.


* Obama born in Kenya, but had 1 American parent. Questions still exist about Citizenship!

How about that?

I don't think Naturalized is the right word, not based on the laws in 1961. It says he would have been a Citizen by virtue of his mother.

I would take out Naturalized and leave it ambiguous, which it really is.

But I am not sure anyone has ever questioned whether his mother was American. And you do not instantly become naturalized, you have to apply for it. And if you commit fraud while applying (as it looks likely she did), the citizenship may be in question. Not sure what you are scared of. Do you think by saying he is an illegal alien that it polarizes the issue or something? You may be right, but just making shit up about him being naturalized when there is no record of it is not going to help IMO.

Also, I do not know he was born in Kenya, maybe he was born in Hawaii or Kentucky, or Buckingham Palace, or Mordor. All I know is that there is no birth certificate so far that has been produced. Maybe the birth certificate exposes that there is a different father/mother or that the date is different or that it was another island, or that the dr. was dr. mengele, or whatever, who the hell knows.

I do not see how magically making him a citizen just because some people get offended if you say he may be an illegal alien helps anything without proof backing it up.

[jofortruth]

And that's why the word Naturalized might need to be removed. However the one American parent is significant.

And yes, we don't want to polarize people on this issue, because it is something they all need to look into, so make the topic neutral but something that will make people inquire further and understand there is an issue here.

[Dig]

And that's why the word Naturalized might need to be removed. However the one American parent is significant.

And yes, we don't want to polarize people on this issue, because it is something they all need to look into, so make the topic neutral but something that will make people inquire further and understand there is an issue here.

Fine, how about the title:

"Barry Soetoro's Mommy is a US Citizen"

I mean was that the whole reason for all this? If so, sheeeeesh, but it did expose a hell of a lot more info, so thanks anyway.

[jofortruth]

That will turn people off.

I would prefer the one you have to that. Let's leave it there for now, and hopefully that will peak people's interest and show he didn't come to his citizenship the usual way and that there are many questions that haven't been answered.

Then we can deal with those open questions in this thread including his many names, etc.

[Dig]

That will turn people off.

I would prefer the one you have to that. Let's leave it there for now, and hopefully that will peak people's interest and show he didn't come to his citizenship the usual way and that there are many questions that haven't been answered.

Then we can deal with those open questions in this thread.

who will be turned off?

Is it the word mommy? Even Colbert calls him Barry all the time. Barry has become an acceptable way to refer to him. Probably because it is his real name.

And as far as him being CIA...that comes from the most respected "socialist" on the planet...John Pilger


http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=175403.0

John Pilger: The two sides of Barack Obama
EXPOSED: Barack Obama's CIA and Agent Provocateur Connections


http://www.sott.net/articles/show/191292-John-Pilger-s-Speech-The-two-sides-of-Barrack-Obama
John Pilger Youtube Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:19 UTC

The new boss, just like the old boss... Don't expect 'Change' anytime soon. Who is it that Obama serves?

Thought-provoking speech by Australian Journalist and documentary maker John Pilger:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXL998q7skI

Comment: As Pilger relates above, Obama's first employer was Business International Corporation, about which William Blum relates as follows:
In his autobiography, "Dreams From My Fathers", Barack Obama writes of taking a job at some point after graduating from Columbia University in 1983. He describes his employer as "a consulting house to multinational corporations" in New York City, and his functions as a "research assistant" and "financial writer".

[jofortruth]

Dig,

If you want to attract older people, you should stay away from these types of titles on some subjects. I think it's ok in some threads to attract the younger crowd, but we need to attract the older crowd to this issue. It is they who could possibly do something about it. The former title is better to do that.

Don't you agree? 

Now i'm off to do more research, we have discussed this enough.

[Dig]

Dig,

If you want to attract older people, you should stay away from these types of titles on some subjects. I think it's ok in some threads to attract the younger crowd, but we need to attract the older crowd to this issue. It is they who could possibly do something about it.

Don't you agree?

Well, I doubt that Noam Chomsky or his generation visits this forum, not sure. I do not see how the title does this, but I respect your opinion, so is there a better way to express this?

How about:

"Obama's mother is a US citizen, but may questions still remain unanswered concerning his citizenship"

[phosphene]

Look at your birth certificate and you’ll notice that the ‘Registration’ date’ i.e.: the birth of the strawman, is about two weeks after your alleged birth. You can’t be certain of the date of your birth because you do not have first-hand knowledge of it unless you personally documented it the day you were born... not likely, though, eh? If your mum told you your birthdate it is only hearsay.

Thats the conundrum with the birth certificates. Its' all hearsay...from the family or the hospital. It's impossible for Barry, himself, to prove when he was born, he doesnt remember. It boils down to who you believe.....the word of the family, or a document from a government office. And either of them could be lying...its still 50/50.

Although it seems like it would be easier to falsify a certificate instead of trying to hide one, like Barry is doing.

[Dig]

Look at your birth certificate and you?ll notice that the ?Registration? date? i.e.: the birth of the strawman, is about two weeks after your alleged birth. You can?t be certain of the date of your birth because you do not have first-hand knowledge of it unless you personally documented it the day you were born... not likely, though, eh? If your mum told you your birthdate it is only hearsay.

Thats the conundrum with the birth certificates. Its' all hearsay...from the family or the hospital. It's impossible for Barry, himself, to prove when he was born, he doesnt remember. It boils down to who you believe.....the word of the family, or a document from a government office. And either of them could be lying...its still 50/50.

Although it seems like it would be easier to falsify a certificate instead of trying to hide one, like Barry is doing.

he did not falsify anything as far as we can see. it looks like his mom applied for one and it was never registered because there were likely outstanding questions. And this is hardly an issue just with Obama.


It involves both sides of the Bilderberg fake left/right paradigm.

[phosphene]

Although it seems like it would be easier to falsify a certificate instead of trying to hide one, like Barry is doing.

errrrrr.....i mean....Creating a false birth certificate seems like the easier thing to do. But Barry is trying to hide his...which is telling.

[Dig]

errrrrr.....i mean....Creating a false birth certificate seems like the easier thing to do. But Barry is trying to hide his...which is telling.

Here are a few responses to that question in the other thread:

Many possibilities--but here's a couple

1. To prove they (NWO) can install anyone into the WH and get away with it.
2. If they did make one, then it would lead to attending doctors, the hospital, and people who were present at the birth, etc. that would have to be part of the deception all playing their roles and maintaining them in public---messy and complicated.

there are 10x the additional liability associated with forging government documents and you open the conspiracy to many more people. They feel like they control 60-70% of Americans with Maddow, Matthews, and others yelling at people who disagree and Infragard saying it would cause a constitutional crisis (which it would not-Infragard is a bona fide constitutional crisis). They rather yell at a percentage and tell them to F off then to open the conspiracy wider and risk more people moving sides.

The problem is that I think they have no clue how quickly people are waking up.

[phosphene]

my point was that it boils down to which hearsay you believe....family? or government document? Either way, hearsay is not evidence. Now what?

[independentWV]

There should be immigration records if born in Kenya or a Indonesian citizen those records not released and records scrubbed clean by Obama’s terrorism and intelligence adviser.
http://obamacrimes.com/

Some US naturalization records created at the municipal, county or state level of government. States maintain those records based on extensive family genealogy research. I wonder if anyone has looked at state level point where his family entered US? Pointing everyone to look for birth certificate would be good cover.

[Dig]

my point was that it boils down to which hearsay you believe....family? or government document? Either way, hearsay is not evidence. Now what?

sure, but they did not use heresay to defend him. They used a piece of papaer that clearly shows something was filed ut never accepted. so that thing they have been showing to us over 100,000 x on the MSM to prove something is a big fricking joke.

[Dig]

Look, the deals are already being made:
Democrats agree to block Obama nominees
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/09/democrats-agree-block-obama-nominees/
By John Byrne
Thursday, September 30th, 2010 -- 7:43 am


In a stunning alliance between Senate Democrats and Senate Republicans, Senate Democratic leadership quietly agreed Wednesday evening to block President Barack Obama from making recess appointments while senators return home to campaign for midterm elections, according to a Congressional newspaper.

The move involves Senate leadership holding "pro-forma" sessions of the Senate every Monday and Friday to prevent Obama from filling vacant senior federal positions. By holding sessions every few days, Obama can't slip his nominees through.

[Protean]

I don't think Orly Taitz is credible, so this video wouldn't prove anything. That is her in the beginning of the video. Even Berg later said he didn't think she was credible, isn't that right, DIG?

Yeah, gotta be careful with Taitz. She has done way too many outrageous things to harm the "Birther: unseal those records Barry" movement.
She posted private info (like SS#) about Phil Berg's assistant on the web, he asked Lucas and Sinclair to lie in court--Larry stopped associating with her after that and presents any birth certificate will do this week routine (to help damage a real one if it is floating around out there). Taitz makes those trips to Israel for?--A little Mossad coaching perhaps?
I think her job is agent provocateur:  trash and crash the Birther movement.

[Dig]

Yeah, gotta be careful with Taitz. She has done way too many outrageous things to harm the "Birther: unseal those records Barry" movement.
She posted private info (like SS#) about Phil Berg's assistant on the web, he asked Lucas and Sinclair to lie in court--Larry stopped associating with her after that and presents any birth certificate will do this week routine (to help damage a real one if it is floating around out there). Taitz makes those trips to Israel for?--A little Mossad coaching perhaps?
I think her job is agent provocateur:  trash and crash the Birther movement.

And of course she gets the interviews with Colbert and others while Phil Berg has to get the message out all on his own.

[citizenx]

Colbert would only put on such a grand-stander, fraud, and crackpot as Taitz to undercut the whole issue and the rest of the skeptics (of which I are one).

[Dig]

Colbert would only put on such a grand-stander, fraud, and crackpot as Taitz to undercut the whole issue and the rest of the skeptics (of which I are one).

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/229691/july-28-2009/womb-raiders---orly-taitz

[Nailer]

Are you going on just what someone said, or have a link to show this?

"Now, the Certification of Live Birth is issued for foreign births abroad, which are registered in the Hawaii Department of Health. But there is more: On the bottom left of a Certificate of live birth is the words "recorded" which is the date the hospital transmitted the information for the production of the birth certificate or the Certificate of Live Birth.

"However, on the bottom left of a Certification of Live Birth, again for births abroad, it states on the bottom left corner "accepted", as Obama's COLB, fake or not, does. The wording "accepted" means that is the date the Department of Health in Hawaii accepted the registration and the documentation. Dunham could not have registered Obama's birth in Hawaii without the original "vault" version of the foreign birth certificate, nor could she have gotten Obama out of Kenya."

Another effort is underway to get to the truth:

the Director of Records in Hawaii, he explained to both (name withheld for privacy) and myself (we were on a three way) the above procedures. So yes, everyone in the United States and other countries (unless you were born in a field and never sought medical care) has a vault version of a birth certificate.

"On another note, in 1961 the Hawaii birth certificates are black and type written, this is true. In 2001, the Hawaii Department of Health changed formats and now offer a short version and a long version. The short version, if the birth occurred in a Hospital in Hawaii is called a "Certificate of Live Birth" not a Certification of Live Birth (COLB that Obama is using, fake or not) so there are differences in the wording of the document which folks are not aware of, unless they asked. A Certification of Live birth is nothing more than stating, not proving you were born, it does not prove your citizenship status or anything else.

http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd409.htm

[CaveJohnson]

Both COLBs he has shown say Certificate of Live Birth, do they not?

[Rebelitarian]

Barrack H. Obama - Born in Kenya IV - The Real Birth Certificate AT LAST!
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMF51vXblFI
 

[Kilika]

Both COLBs he has shown say Certificate of Live Birth, do they not?

No, they do not. The first "short-form" Obama presented said "Certification of Live Birth". The "long-form" is called a "Certificate of Live Birth", and is the one the state keeps on file. The short-form is based on the long-form, and basically it's a long-form with just basic info only.

While a short-form may be accepted as a birth certificate in some situations, it is not the final legal birth certificate. The long-form is.

"On another note, in 1961 the Hawaii birth certificates are black and type written, this is true. In 2001, the Hawaii Department of Health changed formats and now offer a short version and a long version. The short version, if the birth occurred in a Hospital in Hawaii is called a "Certificate of Live Birth" not a Certification of Live Birth (COLB that Obama is using, fake or not) so there are differences in the wording of the document which folks are not aware of, unless they asked. A Certification of Live birth is nothing more than stating, not proving you were born, it does not prove your citizenship status or anything else.

Obama also needs to explain why it is that this "long-form" presented has the herringbone green/white pattern in the background when the state issues a photostatic copy that's black with white ink as posted in the other certificate thread.