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« on: September 25, 2010, 09:17:11 AM »

If anyone takes the time to read Henry George's Protection or Free Trade (arguably the best book on the subject ever written), he'll likely conclude as I and others have that our current trade policy isn't even close to being genuine free trade.

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'This Is about Corporate-Managed Trade'

by Ralph Nader
CommonDreams.org
December 9, 2006

After moving the formerly progressive state of Michigan along the road to corporate serfdom, former Governor John Engler moved seamlessly to the much higher paying position as President of the National Association of Manufacturers (NAM) in Washington, D.C.

The internal tensions of large trade associations are rarely the subject of reporters' attentions. For if they were, they would discover an ongoing conflict between Mr. Engler with his giant multinational corporate brethren and some mostly domestic manufacturers upset with his all out support of corporate globalization policies-NAFTA and WTO style.

Nowadays, Engler and his Big Boys are not happy with executives at Nucor corporation-one of the largest steel producers in the United States with facilities in 14 states. The feeling is mutual. Along with a growing number of stateside manufacturers, Nucor would like Mr. Engler to recognize some of the adverse realities which flow from the deindustrialization of American due to unfair global trade practices and models.

On a general plane, NAM keeps pushing the White House and Congress for trade agreements and policies that have taken the United States from its status as the world's leading creditor (they owed us) in 1980 to by far the world's leading debtor (we owe them trillions of dollars). For over 27 straight years, our country has chalked up rapidly rising trade deficits. This year the trade deficit alone will exceed $800 billion. This year, countries like China and Japan will loan us money (buying U.S. treasury bonds) to finance these deficits, thus postponing the day of reckoning.

Nucor's concerns were reflected recently by a remarkable new coalition of grassroots organizations representing farmers, workers and manufacturers which met the week of November 15, 2006 in Colorado Springs, Colorado.

Their statement of purpose declares: "Multinational corporate-controlled globalization is undermining the well being and prosperity of farmers and rural America, working families, domestic manufacturers, and the service industries depending upon them.

"Existing trade agreements have caused tremendous trade deficits, harmed future American innovation prospects, resulted in tens of thousands of manufacturing company closures, and eliminated millions of manufacturing jobs. They have also compromised national security and undermined national sovereignty.

"We are committed to developing a New Global Trade and Investment Agenda that serves the people who make and grow things in all countries. The agenda must include and improve labor and environmental standards, food security, and national security. It must realign corporate and trade objectives to serve the nation's public and private interests."

The declaration was signed by the Organization for Competitive Markets (OCM), the National Farmers Union, the California Farmers Union, the National Catholic Rural Life Conference and the American Corn Growers Association, among others.

Fred Stokes, the executive director of OCM, army veteran and defender of family agriculture, was a sparkplug for this conference and is planning a much larger gathering in Washington, D.C. next March.

The Breakout sessions were framed by specific questions. Has the globalization model provided equal opportunity for all participants in the economic system? Has it increased or decreased risk in the food system? Has it increased or decreased national security risks? Has it weakened or enhanced national sovereignty and Democracy?

This focus should attract a substantial number of the American people and broaden the ways of evaluating these trade agreements, as if people matter first, not as if the NAM's dominant powers over government are to continue making the rules.

The use of the phrase "free trade" to describe NAFTA and WTO is ludicrous. For one thing, there can be no "free trade" with dictatorial nations like China because so many of the labor and other costs are dictated by the central government, not by markets or free collective bargaining. For another thing, these trade agreements are full of monopolies such as long western-type patent grants which are the antithesis of "free trade."

Lastly, as Public Citizen's director of Global Trade Watch, Lori Wallach, demonstrates, holding up a giant compendium of NAFTA and WTO rules: "If there was 'free trade,' a couple of pages would do. This is about who write the rules. This is about corporate-managed trade."

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"In establishing a free economic system for the United States, the Framers mandated free trade among all the states in the union. They spelled this out in Article I, Section 9, of the Constitution:

    'No tax or duty shall be laid on articles exported from any state. No preference shall be given by any regulation of commerce or revenue to the ports of one State over those of another: nor shall vessels bound to, or from, one State, be obliged to enter, clear, or pay duties in another.'

"At 54 words, this was the original North American Free Trade Agreement....The 1994 agreement that goes by that name makes a travesty of free trade."



"Free trade cannot exist in the context of global oligopolies."

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« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2010, 10:01:05 AM »

The Myths of Free Trade
12 August 2010
, by Bart Martens (DE TIJD)
(Google trans from Dutch to English) http://tinyurl.com/23kq4u9

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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2010, 10:08:55 AM »

I think we need to start with a definition of FREE TRADE. The real meaning is very different from the NWO DECEPTIVE MEANING! These guys twist everything to mean what they want it to mean, while deceiving others with the use of words that sound good, but the policies behind them are something else.

They also do this when naming LEGISLATION. They always give it a fluffy good name, yet the policies in the legislation are a sham. EXAMPLE: The Patriot Act. There is nothing Patriotic about it. Oh, but the name sounds so good!
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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2010, 10:27:32 AM »

"Free Trade Treaties" restrict and control trade, manufacturing, agriculture, land use, and creativity.

"The Federal Reserve" is not federal and there is no reserve.

"The Patriot Act" is unpatriotic.
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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2010, 10:29:59 AM »

"Free Trade Treaties" restrict and control trade, manufacturing, agriculture, land use, and creativity.

"The Federal Reserve" is not federal and there is no reserve.

"The Patriot Act" is unpatriotic.

That is beautifully short and to the point.
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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2010, 10:35:32 AM »

"Free Trade Treaties" restrict and control trade, manufacturing, agriculture, land use, and creativity.

"The Federal Reserve" is not federal and there is no reserve.

"The Patriot Act" is unpatriotic.

I agree! Very good!

I think someone needs to come up with a new dictionary to put all the sham and twisted words and their false meanings in, and identify them as so!

You could name it the TWISTED dictionary!  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2010, 12:29:31 PM »

Trading with places like Germany tariff-free might be fine, but not China or Thailand. Places that have their own import tariffs and take part in wholesale slave-goods dumping are not worthy of "free trade" in the purest sense.
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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2010, 01:21:34 PM »

Trading with places like Germany tariff-free might be fine, but not China or Thailand. Places that have their own import tariffs and take part in wholesale slave-goods dumping are not worthy of "free trade" in the purest sense.

From the original article:

The use of the phrase "free trade" to describe NAFTA and WTO is ludicrous. For one thing, there can be no "free trade" with dictatorial nations like China because so many of the labor and other costs are dictated by the central government, not by markets or free collective bargaining. For another thing, these trade agreements are full of monopolies such as long western-type patent grants which are the antithesis of "free trade."
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« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2010, 01:29:58 PM »

Look tariifs are used by every country to safeguard their industries from foreigners who would use cheap or slave labor in their manufacturing processes.

America has Globalist kakistocrats running the banks with a system in which more money is owed than is ever in cirrculation along with a trade policy that rewards outsoucing and offshoring.

It's just like being a British colony where we ship raw materials to them and then we have to pay to buy back the finished product.  In those days it was called the merchantile system today it is just called Globalism.  The object is the same to ruin the lives of the American worker.
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« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2010, 03:21:52 PM »

From the original article:

The use of the phrase "free trade" to describe NAFTA and WTO is ludicrous. For one thing, there can be no "free trade" with dictatorial nations like China because so many of the labor and other costs are dictated by the central government, not by markets or free collective bargaining. For another thing, these trade agreements are full of monopolies such as long western-type patent grants which are the antithesis of "free trade."

I know, I was basically agreeing with the OP. No point just doing a +1 on the poll though, I may as well say something  Tongue
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« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2010, 08:03:19 AM »

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul254.html

CAFTA: More Bureaucracy, Less Free Trade

by Rep. Ron Paul, MD
LewRockwell.com
June 7, 2005

The Central America Free Trade Agreement, known as CAFTA, will be the source of intense political debate in Washington this summer. The House of Representatives will vote on CAFTA ratification in June, while the Senate likely will vote in July.

I oppose CAFTA for a very simple reason: it is unconstitutional. The Constitution clearly grants Congress alone the authority to regulate international trade. The plain text of Article I, Section 8, Clause 3 is incontrovertible. Neither Congress nor the President can give this authority away by treaty, any more than they can repeal the First Amendment by treaty. This fundamental point, based on the plain meaning of the Constitution, cannot be overstated. Every member of Congress who votes for CAFTA is voting to abdicate power to an international body in direct violation of the Constitution.

We don’t need government agreements to have free trade. We merely need to lower or eliminate taxes on the American people, without regard to what other nations do. Remember, tariffs are simply taxes on consumers. Americans have always bought goods from abroad; the only question is how much our government taxes us for doing so. As economist Henry Hazlitt explained, tariffs simply protect politically-favored special interests at the expense of consumers, while lowering wages across the economy as a whole. Hazlitt, Ludwig von Mises, Friedrich Hayek, Murray Rothbard, and countless other economists have demolished every fallacy concerning tariffs, proving conclusively that unilateral elimination of tariffs benefits the American people. We don’t need CAFTA or any other international agreement to reap the economic benefits promised by CAFTA supporters, we only need to change our own harmful economic and tax policies. Let the rest of the world hurt their citizens with tariffs; if we simply reduce tariffs and taxes at home, we will attract capital and see our economy flourish.

It is absurd to believe that CAFTA and other trade agreements do not diminish American sovereignty. When we grant quasi-governmental international bodies the power to make decisions about American trade rules, we lose sovereignty plain and simple. I can assure you firsthand that Congress has changed American tax laws for the sole reason that the World Trade Organization decided our rules unfairly impacted the European Union. Hundreds of tax bills languish in the House Ways and Means committee, while the one bill drafted strictly to satisfy the WTO was brought to the floor and passed with great urgency last year.

The tax bill in question is just the tip of the iceberg. The quasi-judicial regime created under CAFTA will have the same power to coerce our cowardly legislature into changing American laws in the future. Labor and environmental rules are inherently associated with trade laws, and we can be sure that CAFTA will provide yet another avenue for globalists to impose the Kyoto Accord and similar agreements on the American people. CAFTA also imposes the International Labor Organization’s manifesto, which could have been written by Karl Marx, on American business. I encourage every conservative and libertarian who supports CAFTA to read the ILO declaration and consider whether they still believe the treaty will make America more free.

CAFTA means more government! Like the UN, NAFTA, and the WTO, it represents another stone in the foundation of a global government system. Most Americans already understand they are governed by largely unaccountable forces in Washington, yet now they face having their domestic laws influenced by bureaucrats in Brussels, Zurich, or Mexico City.

CAFTA and other international trade agreements do not represent free trade. Free trade occurs in the absence of government interference in the flow of goods, while CAFTA represents more government in the form of an international body. It is incompatible with our Constitution and national sovereignty, and we don’t need it to benefit from international trade.
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« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2011, 01:20:54 PM »

http://www.prisonplanet.com/giant-sucking-sound-part-2-the-nafta-of-the-pacific-will-soon-allow-millions-more-american-jobs-to-be-shipped-overseas.html

The NAFTA Of The Pacific Will Soon Allow Millions More American Jobs To Be Shipped Overseas

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The Economic Collapse
Sept 8, 2011

The United States is negotiating one of the biggest free trade agreements in history and there is barely a peep about it on the news.  Years ago, Ross Perot warned that if NAFTA was implemented there would be a “giant sucking sound” as millions of jobs left this country.  It turns out that he was right.  Starting on Tuesday, the next round of negotiations on the Trans-Pacific Partnership (also known as the “NAFTA of the Pacific”) will begin in Chicago.  We have already seen the Obama administration push hard for free trade agreements with Panama, South Korea and Colombia and the administration is making the Trans-Pacific Partnership a very high priority.  Membership in the “NAFTA of the Pacific” already includes Brunei, Chile, New Zealand and Singapore.  The United States, Australia, Peru, Malaysia and Vietnam are scheduled to join.  Canada, Japan and South Korea are also reportedly considering membership.  So once this “free trade” agreement is ratified, will we hear another “giant sucking sound” as millions more of our jobs are shipped overseas?

Look, it is not really that complicated.  If you are a giant U.S. corporation, you can either make stuff here, or you can make stuff overseas where it is far, far less expensive to do so.

To greedy corporate executives, there are a lot of advantages to moving operations out of the country….

*It is legal to pay slave labor wages in many of these other countries.  After all, why pay an American worker 10 or 20 times as much as a worker on the other side of the globe?

*In many of these other countries you do not have to provide any health care for workers.

*In many of these other countries there are virtually no environmental controls to worry about.

*In many of these other countries there are virtually no labor standards to worry about.

*In many of these other countries you only have to deal with a fraction of the “red tape” that you have to deal with in the United States.

By merging our economies with the economies of societies that are far different from our own, we have created a “race to the bottom” that is incredibly destructive to the U.S. economy.

In Vietnam, one dollar an hour is considered to be a very good wage.

So how do you plan to compete against that?

These “free trade agreements” are direct assaults on the big, juicy paychecks of American workers.

If you do not know about the Trans-Pacific Partnership, you need to get educated.

The following is a basic introduction to the TPP from Wikipedia….

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« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2011, 09:03:13 AM »

http://www.prisonplanet.com/free-trade-or-fair-trade-20-reasons-why-all-americans-should-be-against-the-insane-trade-policies-of-the-globalists.html

Free Trade Or Fair Trade? 20 Reasons Why All Americans Should Be Against The Insane Trade Policies Of The Globalists

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October 15, 2011

It is absolutely amazing how many Americans are still convinced that more “free trade” is the answer to our economic problems.  The truth is that there is a vast difference between “free trade” and “fair trade”, and in this article I will prove that all true conservatives and all true liberals should be completely against the insane trade policies of the federal government.  Yes, we will always need to trade with other nations.  Other nations make or have things that we need to trade for.  Balanced trade relationships with other nations that have similar economies and that share similar values can be very beneficial.  For example, our trading relationship with Canada, though not perfect, is generally beneficial to both sides.  However, the United States also has dozens of trading relationships that are highly destructive to the U.S. economy.  There are some predatory nations that are blatantly and openly cheating and everyone can see it.  They are getting away with bloody murder and they are robbing us blind.  The United States of America is being taken advantage of, and as a result thousands of good businesses are being destroyed and millions of good jobs are being lost.  If you are an American and you are in favor of all of the unfair trade that is currently going on, then either you don’t know much about economics or you actually want to see the U.S. economy be destroyed.

Congress has just passed new free trade agreements with South Korea, Colombia and Panama.  The Obama administration has also made “the NAFTA of the Pacific” a very high priority.

Obama says that all of these new trade pacts will create more U.S. jobs.

Well, either Barack Obama is completely ignorant when it comes to economics or else he is lying.

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« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2011, 09:15:19 AM »

It is absolutely amazing how many Americans are still convinced that more “free trade” is the answer to our economic problems.

No, what's truly amazing is that so many Americans (such as the author of the above article) are still convinced that a corporate-authored trade agreement constitutes "free trade" merely if the official title of that agreement has the word "free" in it.

Does that mean the "Patriot" Act actually has something to do with true "patriotism"?

Those who keep falling for these ridiculous word games desperately need to read what George Carlin had to say about "euphemisms":

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The truth is that there is a vast difference between “free trade” and “fair trade”

Yes, but what you fail or refuse to see is that there's ALSO a vast difference between genuine free trade and corporate-managed trade posing as "free trade."
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