How old is the Earth? ( old as dirt of course :-)

[Dok]

sorry, but all of Nostrodamus's predictions can only be construed after the fact. Not one can be looked upon and say this is going to happen here or at this time. And i noticed that you didnt bring up all the ones he got completely wrong. I also noticed you mentioned but left out the Kennedy and Hister quatrains.  wonder why... 

[Dok]

oh, and what does any of that have to do with the age of the Earth ?

[mbacolas]

oh, and what does any of that have to do with the age of the Earth ?

just the fact that you say the bible is fact because of its prophecies. BTW what are a few of the prophecies that came true in the last 2 thousand years

[Dok]

just the fact that you say the bible is fact because of its prophecies. BTW what are a few of the prophecies that came true in the last 2 thousand years

10 Prophecies Fulfilled in 1948
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These 10 Bible prophecies were fulfilled in 1948 when Israel became an independent, united nation for the second time in history, and for the first time in 2,900 years. 100 Prophecies

1. Jacob's descendants would regain control of Israel

Bible passage: Amos 9:14-15
Written: about 750 BC
Fulfilled: Since 1948

In Amos 9:14-15, the prophet said that there would come a time when the exiles of Israel would again have Israel as their own land and that they would never be uprooted again. Amos lived about 2700 years ago, during a time when the people of Israel were being forced out of their homeland by a succession of foreign invasions. Despite many centuries of exile, many Jews returned to Israel and reclaimed sovereignty over a portion of their ancient homeland. This declaration of independence, in 1948, triggered a war with the surrounding countries, which objected to the presence of a Jewish state. On May 15, 1948, the day that armies from the surrounding countries invaded, Azzam Pasha, the Secretary General of the Arab League, said "This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades." Similar quotes were uttered by others during the war of 1948-49 and during the two major wars that followed. Despite its tiny size, Israel prevailed in these wars, preventing its people from being uprooted again, as they had been in ancient times.
Amos 9:14-15
I will bring back my exiled people Israel; they will rebuild the ruined cities and live in them. They will plant vineyards and drink their wine; they will make gardens and eat their fruit. I will plant Israel in their own land, never again to be uprooted from the land I have given them," says the Lord your God.

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2. Israel would be brought back to life

Bible passage: Ezekiel 37:10-14
Written: between 593-571 BC
Fulfilled: 1948

In Ezekiel 37:10-14, the prophet receives a vision in which Israel was seen as a scattering of dried-up bones. In this vision, God tells Ezekiel that the bones (Israel) would be brought back to life. Just as Ezekiel had prophesized about 2600 years ago, the Jews were brought back to the land, and the country of Israel was brought back to life. Israel re-established sovereignty in 1948, a mere three years after the end of the Holocaust, during which the Nazis killed about one-third of the world's Jewish population.
Ezekiel 37:10-14
So I prophesied as he commanded me, and breath entered them; they came to life and stood up on their feet--a vast army. Then he said to me: "Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel. They say, `Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.' Therefore prophesy and say to them: `This is what the Sovereign Lord says: O my people, I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to the land of Israel. Then you, my people, will know that I am the Lord, when I open your graves and bring you up from them. I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I the Lord have spoken, and I have done it, declares the Lord.'"

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3. Isaiah spoke of a Israel being reborn in one day

Bible passage: Isaiah 66:7-8
Written: perhaps between 701-681 BC
Fulfilled: 1948

In Isaiah 66:7-8, the prophet foreshadowed the re-birth of Israel in 1948. Isaiah describes a woman giving birth before going into labor, and he speaks of a country being born in one day. This accurately describes what happened on May 14, 1948 - when the Jews declared independence for Israel as a united and sovereign nation for the first time in 2900 years.
During that same day, the United States issued a statement recognizing Israel's sovereignty. And, only hours beforehand, a United Nations mandate expired, ending British control of the land. During a 24-hour span of time, foreign control of the land of Israel had formally ceased, and Israel had declared its independence, and its independence was acknowledged by other nations. Modern Israel was literally was born in a single day.

Isaiah said the birth would take place before there would be labor pains. And that too is precisely what happened. A movement called Zionism began in the 1800s to encourage Jews worldwide to move to Israel, which at that time was called Palestine. Within hours of the declaration of independence in 1948, Israel was attacked by the surrounding countries of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Saudi Arabia.

When reading Isaiah 66:7-8, keep in mind that Israel's status as a sovereign nation was established and reaffirmed during the course of a single day, and that it was born of a movement called Zionism, and that its declaration of independence was not the result of a war but rather the cause of one.

Isaiah 66:7-8
"Before she goes into labor, she gives birth; before the pains come upon her, she delivers a son. Who has ever heard of such a thing? Who has ever seen such things? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labor than she gives birth to her children."


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4. Israel would be re-established as a united nation

Bible passage: Ezekiel 37:21-22
Written: between 593-571 BC
Fulfilled: 1948

In Ezekiel 37:21-22, the prophet said that God would one day bring the people of Israel back to Israel, as a united nation. This might have been a shock for Ezekiel. He lived about 2600 years ago. At that time, the people of Israel had already divided themselves into two separate kingdoms. And, both kingdoms had been conquered by foreign invaders, who forced many of the people, including Ezekiel, into exile. But, when Jews reclaimed sovereignty in 1948, they did so as a united people, creating one nation - Israel.
Ezekiel 37:21-22
and say to them, `This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I will take the Israelites out of the nations where they have gone. I will gather them from all around and bring them back into their own land. I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel. There will be one king over all of them and they will never again be two nations or be divided into two kingdoms.

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5. The second Israel would be more impressive than the first

Bible passage: Jeremiah 16:14-15
Written: sometime from 626 to about 586 BC
Fulfilled: 1948

In Jeremiah 16:14-15, the prophet said the second Israel would be more impressive than the first. In many regards, it is. The first time that Israel was established as a country was after Moses led the descendants of Jacob (typically referred to today as Jews) out of Egypt, where they had been enslaved for 400 years. They then conquered Canaan and established Israel about 3400 years ago. But the second time that Israel was established was after the Jews had been scattered far and wide for a few thousand years. This time the Jews had to return from as far away as the United States, China, Russia and South Africa.
Jeremiah 16:14-15
"However, the days are coming," declares the Lord, "when men will no longer say, `As surely as the Lord lives, who brought the Israelites up out of Egypt,' but they will say, `As surely as the Lord lives, who brought the Israelites up out of the land of the north and out of all the countries where he had banished them.' For I will restore them to the land I gave their forefathers.

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6. Ezekiel predicted when Israel would be re-established

Bible passage: Ezekiel 4:3-6
Written: between 593-571 BC
Fulfilled: 1948

In Ezekiel 4:3-6, the prophet said the Jews, who had lost control of their homeland, would be punished for 430 years. This prophecy, according to Bible scholar Grant Jeffrey, pinpointed the 1948 rebirth of Israel. Here's a summary of Jeffrey's theory:
1. Ezekiel said the Jews were to be punished for 430 years because they had turned away from God. As part of the punishment, the Jews lost control of their homeland to Babylon. Many Jews were taken as captives to Babylon.

2. Babylon was later conquered by Cyrus in 539 BC. Cyrus allowed the Jews to leave Babylon and to return to their homeland. But, only a small number returned. The return had taken place sometime around 536 BC, about 70 years after Judah lost independence to Babylon.

3. Because most of the exiles chose to stay in pagan Babylon rather than return to the Holy Land, the remaining 360 years of their punishment was multiplied by 7. The reason is explained in Bible's book of Leviticus. (Leviticus 26:18, 26:21, 26:24 and 26:28). In Leviticus, it says that if the people did not repent while being punished, the punishment would be multiplied by 7. And, by staying in pagan Babylon, most exiles were refusing to repent.

4. So, if you take the remaining 360 years of punishment and multiply by 7, you get 2,520 years. But, Jeffrey says those years are based on an ancient 360-day lunar calendar. If those years are adjusted to the modern solar calendar, the result is 2,484 years.

5. And, there were exactly 2,484 years from 536 BC to 1948, which is the year that Israel regained independence.

(In this Bible passage, Ezekiel is asked by God to symbolically act out the 430 years of punishment)

Ezekiel 4:3-6
... Then take an iron pan, place it as an iron wall between you and the city and turn your face toward it. It will be under siege, and you shall besiege it. This will be a sign to the house of Israel. "Then lie on your left side and put the sin of the house of Israel upon yourself. You are to bear their sin for the number of days you lie on your side. I have assigned you the same number of days as the years of their sin. So for 390 days you will bear the sin of the house of Israel. "After you have finished this, lie down again, this time on your right side, and bear the sin of the house of Judah. I have assigned you 40 days, a day for each year.


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7. The people of Israel would return to "their own land"

Bible passage: Ezekiel 34:13
Written: between 593-571 BC
Fulfilled: after May 14, 1948

In Ezekiel 34:13, the prophet said that God would gather the people of Israel scattered throughout the world and bring them back to "their own land." After many centuries of dispersion, hundreds of thousands of Jews returned to their ancient homeland beginning in the late 1800s. But, millions more returned after Israel declared independence in 1948. In other words, millions of exiles returned to their ancient homeland which was now truly "their own land" in the sense that it was now a sovereign Jewish state.
Ezekiel 34:13
I will bring them out from the nations and gather them from the countries, and I will bring them into their own land. I will pasture them on the mountains of Israel, in the ravines and in all the settlements in the land.

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8. God would watch over the people of Israel

Bible passage: Jeremiah 31:10
Written: sometime from 626 to about 586 BC
Fulfilled: 1948, etc.

In Jeremiah 31:10, the prophet said that God would one day gather the Jews back to Israel and that He would watch over them like a shepherd. Believe what you wish, but there is evidence that God indeed has watched over the re-established nation of Israel. Hours after Israel declared independence in 1948, the surrounding countries attacked, hoping to replace the Jewish state with an Arab state. These countries are much larger than Israel. But tiny Israel prevailed in that war and was able to capture additional land, increasing the land size of Israel by 50 percent. Israel also prevailed in the two other major wars that followed.
Jeremiah 31:10
"Hear the word of the Lord, O nations; proclaim it in distant coastlands: `He who scattered Israel will gather them and will watch over his flock like a shepherd.'

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9. Israel's army would be disproportionately powerful

Bible passage: Leviticus 26:3, 7-8
Written: perhaps around 1400 BC
Fulfilled: 1948-49, 1967, etc.

In Leviticus 26:3, 7-8, the Bible says that the army of Israel would have a supernatural power to prevail during times of conflict, if the people are obedient to the Lord. This Bible passage says that 5 people would be able to chase away 100 people, and that 100 would be able to chase away 10,000. Is there any proof to this incredible claim? Judge for yourself:
Example 1: Within hours of Israel's declaration of independence in 1948, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, and Lebanon invaded Israel. The combined population of those countries was at least 20 million at that time. Israel had fewer than 1 million Jews. Even so, the Jews won the war and expanded the size of Israel by 50 percent.

Example 2: During the War of 1967, Israel attacked the air force bases of the surrounding countries and took control of Jerusalem for the first time in about 2000 years. They also seized additional territory. That war lasted a mere 6 days.

Example 3: On Oct. 6, 1973, Israel was attacked by Egypt and Syria. Other countries later joined the attack. But the Jews were able to push back the attacking armies and occupy land outside of Israel's borders.

Leviticus 26:3, 7-8
"If you follow my decrees and are careful to obey my commands, ... You will pursue your enemies, and they will fall by the sword before you. Five of you will chase a hundred, and a hundred of you will chase ten thousand, and your enemies will fall by the sword before you."


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10. The fortunes of the people of Israel would be restored

Bible passage: Deuteronomy 30:3-5
Written: perhaps 1400 BC
Fulfilled: 1948, etc.

In Deuteronomy 30:3-5, the Bible said the Jews would be scattered worldwide and that they later would return to their homeland and have their fortunes restored. This prophecy began to be fulfilled in modern times during the late 1800s when many Jews returned to Israel, from as far away as China and the United States, Russia and South Africa. Israel declared independence in 1948. Today, Israel is among the world's most prosperous countries. In 1999, for example, Israel's per capita Gross Domestic Product was twice as prosperous than the neighboring countries.
Deuteronomy 30:3-5
then the Lord your God will restore your fortunes and have compassion on you and gather you again from all the nations where he scattered you. Even if you have been banished to the most distant land under the heavens, from there the Lord your God will gather you and bring you back. He will bring you to the land that belonged to your fathers, and you will take possession of it. He will make you more prosperous and numerous than your fathers.

[mbacolas]

any others?

[Dok]

any others?

what?? 10 precise to the letter, easily understandable prophecies not good enough? 1 over 2500 years fulfilled to the exact day?  

wow dude, come on.

Joh 20:29  Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

[lamourlady]

any others?

http://worldview3.50webs.com/quranvbible.html

Although it is comparing prophecy of both the Quran and the Bible...it does list prophecy which has been fulfilled and will hopefully give what you ask.
Enjoy.

[lamourlady]

Sorry, too late to edit this one in.  It leads to more biblical prophecy. 

http://worldview3.50webs.com/prophecy.html

[mbacolas]

what?? 10 precise to the letter, easily understandable prophecies not good enough? 1 over 2500 years fulfilled to the exact day?  

wow dude, come on.

Joh 20:29  Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

i was just asking sincerely

[poncho]

what?? 10 precise to the letter, easily understandable prophecies not good enough? 1 over 2500 years fulfilled to the exact day?  

wow dude, come on.

Joh 20:29  Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Was it's Gods will?
Or perchance believers of the Bible making it become real? 

[mbacolas]

Was it's Gods will?
Or perchance believers of the Bible making it become real? 

didnt the nwo, or er um, the UN i mean, didnt they give or help isreal get back their country?

[Kilika]

"Behold ye among the heathen, and regard, and wonder marvellously: for will work a work in your days, [which] ye will not believe, though it be told [you]. Habakkuk 1:5 (KJB)

"And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead." Luke 16:31 (KJB)

[Dok]

didnt the nwo, or er um, the UN i mean, didnt they give or help isreal get back their country?

no

[Dok]

Was it's Gods will?
Or perchance believers of the Bible making it become real? 

God, just as he said he would.

[Kilika]

didnt the nwo, or er um, the UN i mean, didnt they give or help isreal get back their country?

Dok is correct. It was the hand of God that made it happen, against all odds and the whole Arab world to boot.

It would have seemed that of all people, it would have been an Arab state due to the fact that the whole region is mostly Arab(technically semetic), and Arabs have been more or less in control of Palistine since about 700ad when Islam showed up. aside from the short stint Rome was in control, it's been a variety of rulers there, but Israel as a people, the Hebrews, have been there in some form of rule for thousands of years prior to the invention of Islam.

It's a proven fact that the Hebrew people, Israel, ruled that region by kingdoms over 2000 years BEFORE Islam. Yet you actually have a high-ranking member of the ruling Waqf that claim their mosque has always been there on the Temple Mount. I mean how absurd is that? Their religion wasn't even created till nearly 500 years after the second temple was destroyed by the Romans in 70ad. There was a jewish place of worship, a temple, on the mount over a 1000 years before the Dome of the Rock was built. yet it is under the control of secular Arabs that have an Islamic group managing the site. If that is not desolation and apostasy, I don't know what is. To me, it's not out of the realm of possibilities that the Abomination of Desolation in Revealtion is the mosque being there with no jewish temple, because Islam prays to another god than Israel, thus praying to another god in the very place your own temple existed twice could be the desolation. I'm not convinced that a third temple must be built to meet the prophecies.

Some Muslims even go so far as to claim that the rock is where Abraham was going to sacrifice Issac, and that the alter he built was actually an early version of an Islamic mosque. No kidding. It's so ridiculous, I wouldn't be surprised if it's a jewish propaganda angle it' so silly.

But consider this; in all those years since Rome left, no one ever made an attempt that I'm aware of anyway, to make that particular area an actual country. Since the Muslim takeover in the 600's, it's always been an open territory, with local rulers in the many towns that have existed there for thousands of years, but no Arab ever has stepped forward to make that area a distinct country like it's neighbors of Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, and Jordan. Where were Arabs then calling for the creation of the country called Palistine? Yet there is a call by jews, real or not, for a jewish state, then suddenly the Arab community is in an uproar, yet they had all those years to make it official, but they didn't. Ever wonder why? Ever wonder why would the world leaders give rule of the temple mount to an Arab country other than the country in which the place exists? In my opinion, because of prophecy.

It made no sense then or now, for anyone other than the state of Israel to be in control of real estate within the borders of their own country. If it's fair now as it is, then Mexico could claim control of the Alamo and the surrounding area. It makes no sense, but there it is. Israel has in fact come back as prophecy said would happen, against all odds.

The UN's involvement I believe is part of prophecy and the one world government of the anti-christ. If people don't believe all that, fine, time with prove it true or false.

[poncho]

Dok is correct. It was the hand of God that made it happen, against all odds and the whole Arab world to boot.

It would have seemed that of all people, it would have been an Arab state due to the fact that the whole region is mostly Arab(technically semetic), and Arabs have been more or less in control of Palistine since about 700ad when Islam showed up. aside from the short stint Rome was in control, it's been a variety of rulers there, but Israel as a people, the Hebrews, have been there in some form of rule for thousands of years prior to the invention of Islam.

It's a proven fact that the Hebrew people, Israel, ruled that region by kingdoms over 2000 years BEFORE Islam. Yet you actually have a high-ranking member of the ruling Waqf that claim their mosque has always been there on the Temple Mount. I mean how absurd is that? Their religion wasn't even created till nearly 500 years after the second temple was destroyed by the Romans in 70ad. There was a jewish place of worship, a temple, on the mount over a 1000 years before the Dome of the Rock was built. yet it is under the control of secular Arabs that have an Islamic group managing the site. If that is not desolation and apostasy, I don't know what is. To me, it's not out of the realm of possibilities that the Abomination of Desolation in Revealtion is the mosque being there with no jewish temple, because Islam prays to another god than Israel, thus praying to another god in the very place your own temple existed twice could be the desolation. I'm not convinced that a third temple must be built to meet the prophecies.

Some Muslims even go so far as to claim that the rock is where Abraham was going to sacrifice Issac, and that the alter he built was actually an early version of an Islamic mosque. No kidding. It's so ridiculous, I wouldn't be surprised if it's a jewish propaganda angle it' so silly.

But consider this; in all those years since Rome left, no one ever made an attempt that I'm aware of anyway, to make that particular area an actual country. Since the Muslim takeover in the 600's, it's always been an open territory, with local rulers in the many towns that have existed there for thousands of years, but no Arab ever has stepped forward to make that area a distinct country like it's neighbors of Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, and Jordan. Where were Arabs then calling for the creation of the country called Palistine? Yet there is a call by jews, real or not, for a jewish state, then suddenly the Arab community is in an uproar, yet they had all those years to make it official, but they didn't. Ever wonder why? Ever wonder why would the world leaders give rule of the temple mount to an Arab country other than the country in which the place exists? In my opinion, because of prophecy.

It made no sense then or now, for anyone other than the state of Israel to be in control of real estate within the borders of their own country. If it's fair now as it is, then Mexico could claim control of the Alamo and the surrounding area. It makes no sense, but there it is. Israel has in fact come back as prophecy said would happen, against all odds.

The UN's involvement I believe is part of prophecy and the one world government of the anti-christ. If people don't believe all that, fine, time with prove it true or false.

God didn't create Isreal.

Mankind did.  You can talk about his guiding hand all you want.  But mankind did all the physical and mental parts.
The UN, was a big part.  The UK, played it's role.  The US, over the years has ensured that Isreal is armed to the teeth.
(For equivalent fighting purposes reenacting the 7 days war, I'll give you 100 men with no weapons.  I get one guy with a machine gun.  Who do yo think will win?)
The mossad is the best in the business.  Funded for the job, is why.
Do you think the palestinians would still be under Isreals control, if we funded them like Isreal.  If we gave them fleets of F-15's?  The secret to nukes, along with the materials and/or bombs?


What you say about the Muslims vs. Jews via history is true.
Technically, Palestine already exists.  It's just called Jordan.
But long before there was christianity or Jewish there, there were people living there.
Even the Egyptians claimed the land. So I guess we need to throw the sun god Ra into the picture.  (Mostly jesting.)

I'm open to the possiblity that the NWO is the work of the Devil.
I just hope you are open to the possiblity that the NWO could use religeon as well.

Keep in mind, the NWO (AKA UN) might have purposely picked the creation of Isreal when it did, to allow an eventual war between religeons.
For these elites, war is money.
Most religeous texts all agree, that you should not kill.  Yet, people are so ready to do so via war, with religeous hate being one reason amoung many to do so.

[poncho]

By the way,

How do you guys feel about all this monkey business involving aliens in the news these days?
To be honest, I'm shocked by some of the things coming from the Vatican lately.

[citizenx]

OK, nine pages later.

You fundies are right.

The Earth is not approximately 4.5 billion years old and AJ has been brain-washed by the scientific dictatorship.


(I imagine he's finding out right now the fundies are not necessarily his true friends -- no more than they are or ever have been the friends of freedom of thought.)

Nine pages of utter horse$hit IMO.  Not a record, but another waste of "1's" and "0's" in cyberspace.  Truly a circle jerk (pissing) contest.

[Dok]

By the way,

How do you guys feel about all this monkey business involving aliens in the news these days?
To be honest, I'm shocked by some of the things coming from the Vatican lately.

Luk 17:26  And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

[poncho]

Luk 17:26  And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

So when the aliens come, get my boat ready?

[Dok]

So when the aliens come, get my boat ready?

no, the answer is far beyond the scope of this thread, and would really require a different one. In fact, ive posted on this before, in numerous threads. Suffice it to say, the so called "alien agenda", isnt alien and its been going on a very long time.

[poncho]

no, the answer is far beyond the scope of this thread, and would really require a different one. In fact, ive posted on this before, in numerous threads. Suffice it to say, the so called "alien agenda", isnt alien and its been going on a very long time.

I think I know where you are coming from about the alien aspect.
I was mostly questioning the other part.  Aka another great flood.

[Dok]

I think I know where you are coming from about the alien aspect.
I was mostly questioning the other part.  Aka another great flood.

The Lord didnt say anything about a flood did he. Please read again exactly what he said.

Luk 17:26  And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

As it was in the days of Noah. What was going in in Noahs day? Answer that, and you have your answer.

[poncho]

The Lord didnt say anything about a flood did he. Please read again exactly what he said.

Luk 17:26  And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

As it was in the days of Noah. What was going in in Noahs day? Answer that, and you have your answer.

From just reading that passage without further reference, it came across as the flood.
"And as it was in the days of Noe(Noah)"  During Noah's life, the more profound aspect mentioned in the Bible is his preperation for the flood.
That is why I thought that.

But you are instead talking about the cause of the flood.  Aka what mankind did to make God angry.
So, I'm not sure what your tie in with aliens (demons) is now.

Are you trying to say that aliens(devils) are directly responsible for Noah's fellow mankind fall?
What passages elude to this?  I'm not familiar with any reference to aliens coming from the sky.

[ex_nihilo]

The Earth is 4.55 billion years old. Earth has many more kinds of rocks compared to other planets because there from the formation of the solar system.

So you are at least 4.56 billion years old and have visited other planets to observe this?

[Dok]

From just reading that passage without further reference, it came across as the flood.
"And as it was in the days of Noe(Noah)"  During Noah's life, the more profound aspect mentioned in the Bible is his preperation for the flood.
That is why I thought that.

But you are instead talking about the cause of the flood.  Aka what mankind did to make God angry.
So, I'm not sure what your tie in with aliens (demons) is now.

Are you trying to say that aliens(devils) are directly responsible for Noah's fellow mankind fall?
What passages elude to this?  I'm not familiar with any reference to aliens coming from the sky.

you read Gen 6?

[poncho]

you read Gen 6?

I took a look at it.
I didn't really see any tie into aliens, which was my original question that you reponded to, with the passage.
Perhaps you refer to "and the fowls of the air"?  To me, that is simply a reference to birds.
Nothing else really jumped out at me. 

I was simply wanting to know what you thought about the Vatican and it's stance on Aliens lately.
Kind of weird, some of the stuff happening there these days.

[Dok]

I took a look at it.
I didn't really see any tie into aliens, which was my original question that you reponded to, with the passage.
Perhaps you refer to "and the fowls of the air"?  To me, that is simply a reference to birds.
Nothing else really jumped out at me. 

I was simply wanting to know what you thought about the Vatican and it's stance on Aliens lately.
Kind of weird, some of the stuff happening there these days.

its the first part of Gen 6, before the flood.

any way, it dosent surprise me what the Catholic church does. The space brother agenda has been in the works for a long time. dosent surprise me in the least that they would be involved. Almost all Marian apparitions are associated with UFO encounters. So no biggie there. She also gives out the same message as most UFO encounters, so again no biggie there.

Once you really delve into the material you will see no difference what so ever between the two. enjoy. 

[ex_nihilo]

I took a look at it.
I didn't really see any tie into aliens, which was my original question that you reponded to, with the passage.
Perhaps you refer to "and the fowls of the air"?  To me, that is simply a reference to birds.
Nothing else really jumped out at me. 

I was simply wanting to know what you thought about the Vatican and it's stance on Aliens lately.
Kind of weird, some of the stuff happening there these days.

He's talking about demons mixing with humans. Sons of God is supposedly a reference to angels. I don't really subscribe to this view however. Maybe you could elaborate Dok?

Genesis 6
 1And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
 2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
 3And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
 4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
 5And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
 6And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
 7And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
 8But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

[Dok]

He's talking about demons mixing with humans. Sons of God is supposedly a reference to angels. I don't really subscribe to this view however. Maybe you could elaborate Dok?

Where it says the "sons of God" "bene elohiym" is exclusively used to refer to angels, or spiritual beings. 

What do you subscribe to?

[ex_nihilo]

Where it says the "sons of God" "bene elohiym" is exclusively used to refer to angels, or spiritual beings.  

What do you subscribe to?

I think that verse referrs to the line of Seth of whom "called upon the name of the Lord" (Gen 4:26) and resulted in Enoch walking with God and being taken not experiencing death because he "walked with God" (Gen 5:24).

After about 1500 years the Godliness of Seth's line deteriorated to the point that only Noah was Godly, in which God decided to punish that generation (such as in the Sodom and Gomorrah account).


In Job 1 it talks of the "Sons of God" also with the same phrase "Bene Elohiym". From reading the text however I gather that Job is worshiping with others. We know when 2 or more are gathered in His name God is there, but in this instance Satan shows up as well. Then God asks Satan to consider Job, who was present with the other "Bene Elohiym" worshiping. Worship is a presentation to God by the way.

[Dok]

I think that verse referrs to the line of Seth of whom "called upon the name of the Lord" (Gen 4:26) and resulted in Enoch walking with God and being taken not experiencing death because he "walked with God" (Gen 5:24).

After about 1500 years the Godliness of Seth's line deteriorated to the point that only Noah was Godly, in which God decided to punish that generation (such as in the Sodom and Gomorrah account).


In Job 1 it talks of the "Sons of God" also with the same phrase "Bene Elohiym". From reading the text however I gather that Job is worshiping with others. We know when 2 or more are gathered in His name God is there, but in this instance Satan shows up as well. Then God asks Satan to consider Job, who was present with the other "Bene Elohiym" worshiping. Worship is a presentation to God by the way.

Its definably not the sons of Seth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-W6c9a3ldQ
Mike Heiser Genesis 6 hybrids, Sons of God, Nephilim 1 of 9

well worth the watch.

[amazon]

Q: How old is the earth ?

A: As old as dirt

[ex_nihilo]

Q: How old is the earth ?

A: As old as dirt

Good answer. 

[poncho]

Good answer. 

Indeed!

The first answer that just about everyone can agree too!

[citizenx]

So you are at least 4.56 billion years old and have visited other planets to observe this?

And you are 6,000 years old and saw Adam and Eve getting it on?

[mbacolas]

And you are 6,000 years old and saw Adam and Eve getting it on?

why cant peopel just admit they dont know for sure, but they think the answer is ______?

It is so hard for ppl to wither be wrong or not have the answer. Seeking the answers is an ultimate uphill battle that simply results in death. 

[agentbluescreen]

why cant peopel just admit they dont know for sure, but they think the answer is ______?

because you can easily fit 4.56 Billion angels on the head of a pin

[mbacolas]

because you can easily fit 4.56 Billion angels on the head of a pin

ROFLMAO!!!! 

[chrisfromchi]

now you guys gotta debate how old is that new planet they are reporting.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100929/sc_afp/usastronomyplanet_20100929210707