How old is the Earth? ( old as dirt of course :-)

[poncho]

Here is what perplexes me about devout religeous folks:

They accept thier religeous texts as 100% accurate.  They fight tooth and nail, to prove they are right.  It's almost as if, admitting that even the tiniest bit of the 'word' is wrong, invalidates the whole religeon.

On the other hand, in science, if a theory is proven to be wrong, the topic is fixed in all subsequent writings.  It doesn't kill the science, quite the opposite.  Mistakes will always be made, its the nature of mankinds scientific method.  Science prospers from growth in this way.

So, I'm preplexed as to why people, when it comes to religeon are so stuck with the attitude of "we are right"?
If say a portion of the Bible is untrue, it does not invalidate the whole.

[Dok]

On the other hand, in science, if a theory is proven to be wrong, the topic is fixed in all subsequent writings.

That is not true at all. Haeckel's pics are still used and taught, in schools, from grade school all the way up to college level. So what you said is just plain false.

[Dok]

another mistake in "science" that is still taught is the evilution of the horse. okapi is still alive people. 

also the circular reasoning in fossil and rock layes, still taught,,,

boy, i could go on and on with this.

[poncho]

That is not true at all. Haeckel's pics are still used and taught, in schools, from grade school all the way up to college level. So what you said is just plain false.

Your one instance invalidates what I said for all of science?

[poncho]

another mistake in "science" that is still taught is the evilution of the horse. okapi is still alive people. 

also the circular reasoning in fossil and rock layes, still taught,,,

boy, i could go on and on with this.

Circular reasoning is more common in religeon than science.
E.g. This passage is true.  Refer to the Bible. (Almost across the board.)

Here is a great one:
Is God all powerful?
Is God all Knowing?
Is God good?

You cannot have all three.  I'm sure you will argue that he is all three. Typical response.

But it's not possible to have all three at once.  Logically they preclude the possiblity.  But add circular reasoning, and warp logic, defy the laws of reality and you can have it!

[poncho]

another mistake in "science" that is still taught is the evilution of the horse. okapi is still alive people. 

also the circular reasoning in fossil and rock layes, still taught,,,

boy, i could go on and on with this.

Heaven forbid, that mankind in it's early stages of science, gets things wrong.  That differing points of view in the scientific community lead to differing ways of teachers, teaching.

Per say, does this not happen with religeon too.  Prodestants, vs. Lutherans, vs. Mormons, Vs. Church of England, etc.. ad naseum.
For that matter, even in your local church, there are varried opionions amoung the flock about many aspects of the Bible.
So, many things about the Bible, are not set in stone.  Quite the contrary, as exposed by the astounding variations in Religeon/beliefs

[Dok]

Your one instance invalidates what I said for all of science?

oh i have way more than that, but ya that once instance really puts a nail into SCIENCE SO CALLED. Theres nothng wrong with real science, its just your science that isnt science.

[Dok]

Heaven forbid, that mankind in it's early stages of science, gets things wrong.  That differing points of view in the scientific community lead to differing ways of teachers, teaching.

Per say, does this not happen with religeon too.  Prodestants, vs. Lutherans, vs. Mormons, Vs. Church of England, etc.. ad naseum.
For that matter, even in your local church, there are varried opionions amoung the flock about many aspects of the Bible.
So, many things about the Bible, are not set in stone.  Quite the contrary, as exposed by the astounding variations in Religeon/beliefs

They still teach it moron, pay attention. Your statement.

On the other hand, in science, if a theory is proven to be wrong, the topic is fixed in all subsequent writings.

Your statement is 100% false.  enjoy

[poncho]

They still teach it moron, pay attention. Your statement.


Your statement is 100% false.  enjoy

Name calling.  Is that what you've got?
100% false eh?  I guess you are a black/white kind of thinker with no shades of gray...

[poncho]

oh i have way more than that, but ya that once instance really puts a nail into SCIENCE SO CALLED. Theres nothng wrong with real science, its just your science that isnt science.

So Bible science is real science. 
My science is false science?

So where in the Bible did God help man invent Computer Science?  (My field)
Oh, yeah, the software languages that I know are false.  They don't work... heh heh!!  You crack me up

[poncho]

another mistake in "science" that is still taught is the evilution of the horse. okapi is still alive people. 

also the circular reasoning in fossil and rock layes, still taught,,,

boy, i could go on and on with this.

I just realized that you don't understand evolution.

A species doesn't have to die off, for the creation of a new species.  But then, your the expert on evilution, right?

[Dok]

So Bible science is real science. 
My science is false science?

So where in the Bible did God help man invent Computer Science?  (My field)
Oh, yeah, the software languages that I know are false.  They don't work... heh heh!!  You crack me up

where did i say Bible science? oh thats right, i didnt.

[Dok]

I just realized that you don't understand evolution.

A species doesn't have to die off, for the creation of a new species.  But then, your the expert on evilution, right?

i understand it just well, its you who dosent.

[poncho]

where did i say Bible science? oh thats right, i didnt.

So what is real science, vs. fake science.  According to the all knowing Dok?

[poncho]

i understand it just well, its you who dosent.

Your quote:
"another mistake in "science" that is still taught is the evilution of the horse. okapi is still alive people.   "

No, according to this, you draw the conclusion that because the okapi is still alive, the horse could not have evolved. 
If I'm wrong, what did you mean?  Because that is exactly what you said in plain english...

[Dok]

So what is real science, vs. fake science.  According to the all knowing Dok?

why not look up the definition of just what science is, and you will see it isnt what you believe it to be. 

[Dok]

Your quote:
"another mistake in "science" that is still taught is the evolution of the horse. okapi is still alive people.   "

No, according to this, you draw the conclusion that because the okapi is still alive, the horse could not have evolved. 
If I'm wrong, what did you mean?  Because that is exactly what you said in plain english...

the Okapi used to be in the direct line of horse evolution, supposedly magically changing 65 to 120 million years ago. Know what? didn't happen. 

Yet they still teach this mistaken belief in schools.

[poncho]

I need to stop posting.

No opinions are changed in debates such as this.  Usually, most people come away more convinced than ever, they are right.  (Both sides)

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So I want to end this, with my warning:

We are on a conspiracy site.  Specifically, dealing with the conclusion that the NWO is a real threat.  Most of us can agree, that the NWO threat is not new, but has actually existed for hundreds of years.

It is a possiblity that the NWO could have subverted portions of most religeos texts to be in line with thier end goals.
And even if you don't believe that, you still have to consider the posibilty that they can use existing text, to play into thier hands. E.g. the Rapture.

So given the evil nature of someone with a NWO mindset, it without a doubt in my mind, would not only serve thier purpose to use religeon, in fact, it would almost require it.

So my warning is this:
Irregardless of what your faith is, please, recognise Evil as Evil.  Even if it comes disguised in the trappings of something holy.
If you can do that, we are all on the same side.
And too be quite frank, if Jesus did come back, and was as amazing as the Bible makes him out to be, I will follow him. No problems laying down my life for him.

[Dok]

dont forget Global Warming, you know because all the experts agree. 

[mbacolas]

dont forget Global Warming, you know because all the experts agree. 

dont take this the wrong way dok but you come across as someone who is 100% sure about everything he says, and your mind is set on all your beleifs, and determined not to change. Am I wrong?

[thebiblicaldude]

dont take this the wrong way dok but you come across as someone who is 100% sure about everything he says, and your mind is set on all your beleifs, and determined not to change. Am I wrong?

If you are not sure about the things you speak on, then would you speak them?

Act 4:29 KJV - And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word,

[Dok]

dont take this the wrong way dok but you come across as someone who is 100% sure about everything he says, and your mind is set on all your beleifs, and determined not to change. Am I wrong?

some things, yes, yes i am. not so on others. sorry.

[thebiblicaldude]

Don't forget:

Act 28:31 KJV - Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

[Kinpa]

 if God is all knowing and all powerful, then why the hell would it take God 7 "days" to create? creation would be instantaneous would it not? God is not bound by the laws of physics or by the beliefs of fundamentalists...most of the stories in the bible, including much of Christ's story, were taken from spiritual beliefs that existed centuries before anyone ever heard of Jesus of Nazareth, do the research, it's there, it exists, it can be proven and HAS been proven....it is quite foolish to dismiss outright those things that disagree with an individual's point of view, and yet, so many do just that...

[thebiblicaldude]

if God is all knowing and all powerful, then why the hell would it take God 7 "days" to create? creation would be instantaneous would it not? God is not bound by the laws of physics or by the beliefs of fundamentalists...most of the stories in the bible, including much of Christ's story, were taken from spiritual beliefs that existed centuries before anyone ever heard of Jesus of Nazareth, do the research, it's there, it exists, it can be proven and HAS been proven....it is quite foolish to dismiss outright those things that disagree with an individual's point of view, and yet, so many do just that...

What you fail to realize is that the coming of Christ is foretold throughout the whole of scripture going back to Genesis.

[Kinpa]

What you fail to realize is that the coming of Christ is foretold throughout the whole of scripture going back to Genesis.

what YOU fail to realize is that genesis is a very new book when compared to other spiritual writings from around the globe, so what if genesis predicts christ (and it doesnt, that is simply the way YOU choose to perceive the words)? that doesnt prove much of anything...

[thebiblicaldude]

what YOU fail to realize is that genesis is a very new book when compared to other spiritual writings from around the globe, so what if genesis predicts christ (and it doesnt, that is simply the way YOU choose to perceive the words)? that doesnt prove much of anything...

Care to rethink that?

Gen 3:15 KJV - And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Yeah, I am sure that there are other books were written before the events in Genesis were written, then God created the World, right?

[Kinpa]

Care to rethink that?

Gen 3:15 KJV - And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Yeah, I am sure that there are other books were written before the events in Genesis were written, then God created the World, right?

no, the bible is bunk, plain and simple...jesus story is also bunk...and dont get me started on the book of revelations...bunk, bunk, bunk~!

[Dok]

no, the bible is bunk, plain and simple...jesus story is also bunk...and dont get me started on the book of revelations...bunk, bunk, bunk~!

back it up. 

[Kinpa]

back it up. 

you wont accept the evidence if i did...prove ANYTHING about the boble WITHOUT using the bible as your evidence...cant do it can you? no, you cant...

[Dok]

you wont accept the evidence if i did...prove ANYTHING about the boble WITHOUT using the bible as your evidence...cant do it can you? no, you cant...

ill look at, just make sure its not something that has been fully disproven before.

I mean some evidence other than, bunk, is preferrable. 

[thebiblicaldude]

you wont accept the evidence if i did...prove ANYTHING about the boble WITHOUT using the bible as your evidence...cant do it can you? no, you cant...

Wow, and when I think I have heard all the arguments, you are told to prove it and what is you lame excuse?

"You wont accept the evidence if i did..."

Wow, wonder how that logic would hold up in court? Mr Defense Lawyer, please prove to us your client is innocent.
Well your honor, you would not believe the proof even if I showed it to you.

EPIC FAIL

[Kinpa]

Wow, and when I think I have heard all the arguments, you are told to prove it and what is you lame excuse?

"You wont accept the evidence if i did..."

Wow, wonder how that logic would hold up in court? Mr Defense Lawyer, please prove to us your client is innocent.
Well your honor, you would not believe the proof even if I showed it to you.

EPIC FAIL

listen lazy, do your own work,do a web search and then read,look at krishna for one, and look into babylonian myths, IF you have the guts to view the information, and here, lets level the playing field....prove that ANYTHING said in the bible is true, without using a passage from the bible to do so (that isnt evidence, it is biased and cant be counted)...ill be waiting...

[thebiblicaldude]

I did here cpt. debunk
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=187733.msg1114727#msg1114727

[Kinpa]

I did here cpt. debunk
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=187733.msg1114727#msg1114727

thats supposed to be proof? you'll need to corroborate your biased "evidence" with a source that is unbiased...still waiting...

[thebiblicaldude]

thats supposed to be proof? you'll need to corroborate your biased "evidence" with a source that is unbiased...still waiting...

Haven't you crawled off to lick your wounds yet? Want your lunck back too?

[thebiblicaldude]

thats supposed to be proof? you'll need to corroborate your biased "evidence" with a source that is unbiased...still waiting...

I love it. I give you proof but you refuse to accept it and beg for more proof all the while still insiting like a toddler that I am wrong. Funny how that is, and then I would give you more proof in which you would just dismiss and ramble on that I still haven't provided any proof and I can babble with you for hours on in each time you not accepting the actual fact that is given to you like a blind man needing help to cross the street but slapping away the hand that is helping him, or a person that puts their hand in the flame and yells ouch, only to keep placing said hand in the same fire.

You make me sad, however there is still hope for you even though you will need proof of that as well. Will you also need physical proof of your conception or will the story your mom and dad told you suffice? Do you need proof that plants make oxygen or will you need to see the process happen for your self. Do you need proof that the earth is round or can a picture also not be enough?

You are wasting everyones time here so why don't you do us all a favor and come back when you actually have something to discuss other than stating:

"That <insert comment about another post> is wrong, provide me with proof (subject to my approval) and I will check it out (as long as it does not go against what I believe) in which case I will state, not proof enough so try again, without ever giving any proof of my own as a counter statement to your truth.

[ex_nihilo]

I saw your picture from before. I was hoping you had something better than that.
That ship, is woefully undersized for the task at hand.
Maybe it could handle all the species of deer on planet earth.
That's about it.  It would be full almost to the point of sinking even with that load.

All the species of deer was not present on the ark, only representative "Kinds" of animals. Such as the deer kind, the dog kind, the ape kind, the giraffe kind, the pachyderm kind, the dove kind, the crocodile kind, the equine kind, and the rodent kind, etc.

Now if you say, believed in Evolution like I do being gods mechanism to create life, you would have an escape route.  You could say that all species of deer, evolved from the one species of deer put on the ARK. 

Evolution, such as cow to whale as is taught in public schools, is a farce and not even a good one.

Natural selection on the other hand is observable and provable. Speciation happens. If a population group is isolated from a larger group certain traits will develop alter to the larger group according to environmental pressures, thus creating a new "species", but they're still the same animal. Zebras are just as much a horse as a Clydesdale or a Mustang or a Mule.

It is widely accepted in pop science that all domestic dogs today come from the wolf. Look at the incredible variety that the wolf is capable of producing. The Poodle, Great Dane, St. Bernard, Chihuahua, Jack Russell Terrier, Pitt Bull, Doberman Pincher, Dalmatian, Yorkie, Malamute, etc. etc. Yet they're all DOGS! Not once have they morphed into anything else. So yes there is variety within the kind of animal, but it will never cross over into another kind.

http://animals.howstuffworks.com/pets/dog.htm

Kind would probably best be defined as "Family" in the traditional classification system (kingdom, phyla, order, etc.).

But, as we both know, Darwin is at the heart of science vs. religeon.

Why is this always stated. There is no struggle between religion and science. The struggle is between religions.

The waters on planet earth rising over 5 miles in very quick like fashion.  That would create a series of tidal waves at least a mile high.  That was one heck of a wooden boat to survive hundreds of these waves!!!! I'm impressed.  That wooden boat containing all earths life, survived the ravaging waves.

Why do you say 5 miles? I guess this is a reference to Mt. Everest again. Who says Mt. Everest existed before the flood?

Just about all seeds.  If you have enough agitation in the water, most seeds will sink. I'm not saying it's not possible.  Just that there is no proof.  Besides, if the entire earth had that much soil in the WORLD WIDE ocean, it would have killed all the fish in the ocean.  Besides being toxic, it would have killed most if not all the plankton, mainly due to lack of light being able to penetrate.  And that alone would doom all life in the ocean

Have you ever witnessed a flood?

You stated that 100% of the earth is covered by water in the flood.   Yet you state that the 75% of ocean coverage is where the water went.  What happened to the missing 25%? (actually it's higher than that, closer to 33%)
If you want to say that god waved a magic wand, and boom, less water, fine.
On the other hand, if you state that that 5 miles of extra water still exists, where is it?  That is a massive amount of water.

No one has said that the earth was covered with 5 miles of water.  The Flood was a major catastrophic event which would have included volcanic activity, earthquakes, tsunamis, tectonic activity, etc. After/ During the flood the mountains were pushed up and valleys declined.

http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=98

Even if the creation of Pangea through massive violence on planet earth was survivalable (It couldn't be), there are still area's of planet earth that are now land based that didn't exist then.  Yet, there are animals, that live in only those places and cannot survive anywhere else on planet earth.

Pangea was the original land mass before the flood.

You seem to not understand the concept of speciation.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/Speciation_modes.svg

More than 8000 distinct species of ants all floating with literally million of other displaced creatures all at once?  Really, you believe this?
So the queen, is able to survive with the attending army needed to keep her alive, all the while, lacking the food needed to survive.  And they survive the massive tidal waves to boot.  In an asounding bit of luck, all 8000 species end up landing, in just the right place on planet earth, so they can prosper.

You really believe that no species has arisen in the 4,000 years since the flood?

You claimed it.  Proof?

Wrong.  There are still people who would kill you for speaking your mind.  Care to go to Saudia Arabia and spoke your faith?

You're arguing against Christianity, not Islam.

I'm curious how you feel about civilizations that have history longer than 6000 years.
Take the Mayans and thier calander.  I hope that you don't deny that thier calander is amazing even by todays standards.  And that means that they created it long before the dead sea scrolls. It had to be long before 5200 years ago. To be more specific, they would have had to survive at least one cycle of thier calander, to have created it in the first place.  That puts thier culture out at least 10,000 years.

I have read that their mathematics was base12 or base16 or something other than our standardized base10, which would give much inflated numbers comparatively. This could have been someone like the sumerians though.

No if Aliens, gave them the tech, that is a whole different ball game, and the existance of aliens complicates religeon.
On the other hand, if god game them the calander, why didn't they worship god?

The Myans decided to worship the counterfeit god, the snake.

An even better question is, why did the most early people not worship the Bible's God?  You would think that Adam and Eve would kind of pass down such knowledge to all thier prodigy.  So, beside the fact that all the varried peoples of planet Earth came from a gene pool of just 2 seperate DNA (precluding the varations that do exist), these first peoples all over the world did not worship God.  How did that happen?

People have rebelled against God from the FIRST GENERATION. Adam, a man that God talked to and he still rebelled, lived for 930 years. How many thousands of people could he have spoken with? Cain's lineage is full of those that rebelled against God. Cain himself built a city refusing God's command to fill the earth. Lamech, Cain's Great-Great Grandson took two wives and killed two men (maybe Lamech took their wives?).

An interesting note, how many people did information have to pass through to get to Abraham from Adam? Answer: 3  Abraham could have spoken to Shem who rode the ark with Noah who spoke with a multitude of people who spoke directly with Adam.

[poncho]

ex_nihilo,

I don't have the time to properly reply to your last post. 
And besides I'm kind of turned off with the debate given the recent sniping going on.

Religeon debates, always becomes a battle of the irresistable force meeting the unmoveable object.

But I like your style.  You do your faith good.  Keep thinking creatively.
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The only item I have time to address is the Mayan calendar part.
The counting system was vigesimal (Base 20)
I'm not familiar with base 20 myself, but as a software engineer, I'm quite familiar with binary (2), Octal (, and hexidecimal (16-- numbers 0 to 9 also including the letters A to F)
As strange as it sounds, you get used to other numeric systems if you work with them long enough.

Anyway, given the start date of the Mayan calender of 3114 BC, I was refuring to the 5000+ years of the Mayan calendar, not in the base 20 system, but instead our own decimal based system.
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That is a subject that facinates me. (Perhaps with a bit of dread too)
There are so many religeons predicting an end of times in the very near future.  It's hard not to take notice of this.  I'm shocked at the lack of interest, most people exhibit in the subject these days.

While the Mayans, do not say the planet ends come late 2012, they do say dramatic change is happening.
Perhaps our solar system crosses the path of rogue asteroid belts every 5200 years or so.  And they witnessed this perhaps.  (Even if just locally)

I'm more concerned with what transpires with our solar system, in a sense crossing over the AM/PM threadhold of the 5200 year cycle it's on.
There are a number of folks in the scientific communities that are very concerned, and they will be frank with you. They don't know what is coming, they can only speculate.

I used to hear them talk about the earth flipping magnetic poles.  I laughed when I first heard, what I deemed to be absurd silly ideas.  But lately I've come to understand why they think it might happen, and what I've read makes sense.
The flipping of magnetic poles, itself isn't that big of a deal.  It mostly would invalidate some satelites in space and some ground based equipment.  (But stimulate the economy, as those things need to be replaced, AKA make more stuff, which creates jobs.)

I'm much more concerned with what the sun itself might due to a shifting of it's own magnetic fields.  I've got a bad feeling that this will cause massive sun spots, which will in turn lead to a lot more Coronal Mass ejections.
So much so, that it may very well kill most the electrical grids of the world.  Basically modern mankind, being crippled completely for upwards of 6 months to 5 years.
The ensuing panic, lack of food, and complete lack of knowing how to live off the land, can kill a majority of mankind in just months.

And I've got a feeling that, that is what the Mayans witnessed to base their calander off of.  Granted, it wouldn't have effected them like it will us.  But when they looked into the sky, and saw the Aurora Borealis, night after night, that would have made for a year worthy of remembering!

[mbacolas]

Nostradamus (1503-1566)

Michel de Nostradamus, or Nostradamus, was a famous French apothecary and also a well known seer, whose prophecies and psychic predictions have become known worldwide because of his book Les Propheties or 'The Prophecies'. He earned the reputation of being the most famous psychic and seer, when he had knelt in front of a Franciscan monk and had addressed him as "Your Holiness". Several years later, after the death of the great seer, this same monk became Pope Sixtus V. Nostradamus, in 1555, began his career as a prophet for the first time. It was during this period that he wrote down his first collection of Centuries, i.e., a set of 100 quatrains. Over the next few years, he wrote down a total of at least 10 centuries. Now you might ask what is a quatrain? It's a poem with 4 lines. Nostradamus quatrains were rhythmic and they were mainly written in French, with traces of Italian, Latin and Greek here and there. He used various symbols and metaphors in his quatrain, in order to avoid being tried as a magician. Now let's take a look at some of the Nostradamus predictions that have come true.

Predictions That Came True

The prediction that actually made Nostradamus famous was his reference to a Franciscan monk as 'His Holiness' and who later became Pope Sixtus V. Here are some of the other predictions that followed this one.

Nostradamus Predictions that Came True: Henry II's Death
"The young lion will overcome the older one,
On the field of combat in a single battle;
He will pierce his eyes through a golden cage,
Two wounds made one, then he dies a cruel death." (Century 1, Quatrain 35)

The year was 1559. Nostradamus's predictions were ignored by Henry II, and the latter took part in a jousting tournament against Comte de Montgomery (six years younger than Henry II). Both of them had shields which was embossed with the lion. During the final fight, Montgomery's lance, which he failed to lower at the right time, shattered. A piece of it went through the King's gilded visor (Golden cage), which resulted in two woulds, as per Nostradamus's predictions; one spliced his eye, while the other pierced his temple, just behind his eye. His brain was penetrated by both the splinters. For 10 days, the King underwent intolerable pain, and then died a cruel death. So, one of the great seers predictions comes true.

Nostradamus Predictions that Came True: London Fire
In this prophecy, Nostradamus predicted the exact year of the Great Fire at London.

"The blood of the just will be demanded of London,
Burnt by the fire in the year 66" (Century 2; Quatrain 51)

2nd September, 1666. One single spark, burnt down the entire Medieval London, the city of Shakespeare. London burned for 5 days and after the fire was controlled, 1½ miles by ½ miles, was completely turned to ashes. 87 churches were destroyed and 13,200 houses were burned down. Though Nostradamus had predicted that "blood of the just will be demanded", only 6 people had died though. Some however see this prediction of 'blood of the just' (translated from French) as the justice which was done to the Black Death or the plague that had killed many in Europe. The fire had done a great service by killing the rats that were the carriers of this plague. Thus, 'blood of the just'.

Nostradamus Predictions that Came True: French Revolution
Several quatrains have been found, that predict the French Revolution which had taken place in the 18th century. Here are some of those quatrains.

"From the enslaved people, songs, chants and demands,
The princes and lords are held captive in prisons:
In the future by such headless idiots
These will be taken as divine utterances."

Before the war comes,
The great wall will fall,
The King will be executed, his death coming too soon will be lamented.
(The guards) will swim in blood,
Near the River Seine the soil will be bloodied."

July 14th, 1789. The symbol to the detested monarchy, the prison of Bastille, was stormed into by the French people. The Storming of Bastille, marked the beginning of French Revolution. The Revolution started the rise and fall of the guillotine, which was located on the banks of River Seine. Thus, Nostradamus prediction that 'the guards will swim in blood...will be bloodied', came true. The French Revolution only made Nostradamus name as a seer, even more popular. He had predicted the French Revolution, 200 years before it actually occurred.

Hold on to your seats, there are more Nostradamus prophecies and predictions that have come true.

Nostradamus Predictions that Came True: Hitler and the Second World War
"The two greatest ones of Asia and of Africa,
From the Rhine and Lower Danube they will be said to have come,
Cries, tears at Malta and the Ligurian side."

"From the depths of the West of Europe,
A young child will be born of poor people,
He who by his tongue will seduce a great troop;
His fame will increase towards the realm of the East." (Century 3, Quatrain 35)

Some say that Nostradamus had misspelled Hitler's name here. If we look into the Dictator's past, he was born to poor parents and his powerful speeches, had moved many and also his alliance with Japan proved his fame will increase towards the east to be true.

"Beasts ferocious from hunger will swim across rivers:
The greater one will cause it to be dragged in an iron cage
When the Germany child will observe nothing."

The 'beast' is interpreted as Adolf Hitler and the German army, crossing over to capture France. The 'iron cage' might probably refer to Hitler's tanks, which the great seer, did not know what it was called hundred of years back. Thus, these are some of the Nostradamus predictions that came true, and the prediction of the Second World War and the rise of Hitler, is one of his greatest predictions of all time.

Nostradamus Predictions that Came True: Death of the Kennedy Brothers
"The great man will be struck down in the day by a thunderbolt,
An evil deed foretold by the bearer of a petition.
Another falls at night time.
Conflict at Reins, London and a pestilence in Tuscany." (Century 1, Quatrain 27)

In the year 1963, US President, John. F. Kennedy was shot down by the thunderbolt (gun shot) at 12 in the noon. His brother, Robert Kennedy was shot at 1 am in the morning after 5 years (another falls at night time). In the same year of 1963, students rioted in the cities of London and Paris and also there was a huge flood in Florence in 1968, which led to fear of plague or pestilence in the city.

Nostradamus Predictions that Came True: Death of Princess Diana
"The penultimate of the surname of Prophet
Will take Diana [Thursday] for his day and rest:
He will wander because of a frantic head,
And delivering a great people from subjection." (Century 2, Quatrain 28)

Princess Diana's boyfriend, Dodi Al- Fayed, was the son of a person named 'Mohammad' (The Prophet). That was not his surname, but still. Some translations also say "will take Diana for her day of rest". This probably indicates her death and the rest that she got forever from the paparazzi. "His day of rest" indicates the Sunday, the day when Princess Diana and Dodi died. It may also indicate that the day when she dies was seen as a public holiday. Several parts of UK was closed down that time, as a mark of respect for the much beloved Princess. The people of UK are known to be emotionally reserved. But the death of the beloved Princess, rocked not only UK but the entire world. Everyone mourned the death of Princess Diana. Thus "Delivering a great people from ruin". People from various cultures, from various backgrounds, countries, came together to mourn her death.

Some Other Predictions that Came True

Here's a list that tells you how many Nostradamus predictions have come true.
•9/11 attacks in New York
•The Challenger Space Shuttle, destroyed on take off in 1986
•Death of Mother Teresa
•Louis Pasteur for pasteurization and discovery of microscopic germs
•Hurricane Katrina
•The Iraq War
•The Nuclear attacks in Hiroshima Nagasaki
•Barrack Obama as the President of United States
Thus, these are some of the many Nostradamus predictions that have come true.


Nostrodamus must be God since his preictions came true in his books as well eh? Bible aint the only future telling book eh?
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