How old is the Earth? ( old as dirt of course :-)

[Anti-Globalist]

The other week Alex said something about an object here on the Earth or something like that being proven it was over 10 thousand years old by the Scientific Community.

Doesn't Alex realize the Earth was made in six days.So at most the Earth is just under six ''thousand'' years since God created it with all it's fullness.

He can't have it ''both ways''.




Has Alex Jones changed his childhood belief

[Viper]

I consider myself a young earther, now ...ten thousand sits fine with me, its when the exdorks er experts start talking in their billions and zillions that i slowly fade off the horizon.

[poncho]

Doesn't Alex realize the Earth was made in six days.So at most the Earth is just under six ''thousand'' years since God created it with all it's fullness.

Keep in mind, that those 6 days are open to interpretation.   Are they earth days, even though the earth hadn't been invented yet?
Or more than likely, are those God days?   How long is a God day?  1 billion years?

Since we are talking about God's actions pre earth, I think it must be measured in God days.

[Femacamper]

Most young earth Biblical creationists posit the earth was created 6,000 to 10,000 years ago, but the most credible theories seem to be closer to 6,000, at least according to the genealogies. The main thing here is young earth Biblical creationists believe that all history is essentially recorded history.

[citizenx]

Has the scientific dictatorship gotten to Alex?  Because he said scientists found something ten thousand years old?

[Anti-Globalist]

Keep in mind, that those 6 days are open to interpretation.   Are they earth days, even though the earth hadn't been invented yet?
Or more than likely, are those God days?   How long is a God day?  1 billion years?

Since we are talking about God's actions pre earth, I think it must be measured in God days.

Are you implying that Adam was 1 and a half Billion years old and Eve also?

For God made Adam and Eve on the sixth Day,and then He rested on the Seventh Day. ( Seventh Day is One Billion Years ?)

[Anti-Globalist]

Most young earth Biblical creationists posit the earth was created 6,000 to 10,000 years ago, but the most credible theories seem to be closer to 6,000, at least according to the genealogies. The main thing here is young earth Biblical creationists believe that all history is essentially recorded history.

The Dinosaurs are what then,a Hoax? or made and placed there in the rocks by the Devil.

God says all the animals were brought before Adam. So did Adam and Eve see the Dinosaurs?

I beleive that it was the Devil's doing by making ''counterfeit fossils'' of creatures that God had no part of. I believe the Fossils were put there by the Devil to break people's faith about the Earth being created in Six Man Days. For the Scientists have their way in teaching the young that the Bible was a fable made up because the Fossils in the Rocks prove it. The Scientific Dictatorship is winning the war for Man's Mind.

[Lynchoid]

This is a joke, right?

[citizenx]

Sadly, Lynchoid, I do not think these guys are joking.

[MonkeyPuppet]

"For tens of thousands of years our ancestors struggled, fought and died against other tribes of humans, against saber-tooth cats, woolly mammoths [and] bengal tigers to simply survive.  The main mission of our species has been to survive on a hostile planet that we developed on." -- Alex Jones, Alex Jones on What We Really Are 1/2

Theologically speaking, a Christian is someone who has received the Lord Jesus as Savior, trusts Him alone for the forgiveness of sins, has put no trust in his own efforts to please God, and repented from his/her sins.  Ascribing to any particular interpretation of the history of the world or the universe with regard to the perception of time is irrelevant.  Time, patience, research and knowledge bring us a better understanding of how things came to be as they are [after He started this ball rolling].  Science itself is not "evil", and if through honest scientific research we find that evidence trumps dogma, I don't see how that makes those who are interested in learning outside the Bible "evil".

Alex has faith in Christ, walks with him as best he can, and does the great work in service to Him and to His beloved creation.  However, just because Alex does not extend that faith to dogmatic interpretation does not mean "they" have "gotten to him".

[Anti-Globalist]

"For tens of thousands of years our ancestors struggled, fought and died against other tribes of humans, against saber-tooth cats, woolly mammoths [and] bengal tigers to simply survive.  The main mission of our species has been to survive on a hostile planet that we developed on." -- Alex Jones, Alex Jones on What We Really Are 1/2

Theologically speaking, a Christian is someone who has received the Lord Jesus as Savior, trusts Him alone for the forgiveness of sins, has put no trust in his own efforts to please God, and repented from his/her sins.  Ascribing to any particular interpretation of the history of the world or the universe with regard to the perception of time is irrelevant.  Time, patience, research and knowledge bring us a better understanding of how things came to be as they are [after He started this ball rolling].  Science itself is not "evil", and if through honest scientific research we find that evidence trumps dogma, I don't see how that makes those who are interested in learning outside the Bible "evil".

Alex has faith in Christ, walks with him as best he can, and does the great work in service to Him and to His beloved creation.  However, just because Alex does not extend that faith to dogmatic interpretation does not mean "they" have "gotten to him".

Tens of Thousands of years? Alex Jones has been decieved by the fossils in the rocks.

Therefore Alex has no faith in the Genesis explaining the creation of man and the time period thereby.

Alex is preaching lies because he is faithless blind.

[citizenx]

OK, have the fundies finally gone too far around here, or what?

That's my question.

[MonkeyPuppet]

Tens of Thousands of years? Alex Jones has been decieved by the fossils in the rocks.

Therefore Alex has no faith in the Genesis explaining the creation of man and the time period thereby.

Alex is preaching lies because he is faithless blind.

Like I said, dogmatic interpretation.

Those who claim to know how the universe, and therefore the Earth, was created are typically arrogant, judgmental pricks.  Having faith is one thing.  Hubris, however, is evidence of a profound lack of personal confidence, supplanted by dismissing all ideas which conflict with personal belief... facts, whether known or to later be discovered, be damned.  Both creationists and evolutionists are guilty of this form of self-preservation and tact.

I doubt Alex has any issue with Genesis being the be-all-end-all explanation for how the universe was created, but you'd have to ask him to know that to be true.  The point of contention, as it has been even in theological circles, is how long ago this singular event occurred.  This speculative argument is hardly a sound basis for questioning one's faith in Him or for calling someone a liar.

[Anti-Globalist]

I doubt Alex has any issue with Genesis being the be-all-end-all explanation for how the universe was created, but you'd have to ask him to know that to be true.  The point of contention, as it has been even in theological circles, is how long ago this singular event occurred.  This speculative argument is hardly a sound basis for questioning one's faith in Him or for calling someone a liar.

I don't have to ask Alex as he already has several times announced he believes in the authenticity of Science reports in regards to the Age of the Earth.

So how can Alex be patriotic to the Scriptures when rejecting the Six Man Day beginning of the fullness of the Earth? Alex goes on and on how he has access to documents to prove how the Global Elite are trying to reduce the World's population through sterilization,flu vaccines,poisioning the food and fluoridating the water,etc...... Yet when he's shown the documented Scriptures of the geneologies, He does a ''one eighty'' and puts his own spin on it. Why? cos Alex went to university,and he got brainwashed by the Scientific Dictatorship. Universities are the boot camp breeding grounds of the Global Scientific Dictaorship.Alex faith is first to the White Coats.

They have twisted Alex's ability to say a straight out NO to scientific shampooing and conditioning, he's been scientifically indoctrinated to the nines

[stangrof]

"So how can Alex be patriotic to the Scriptures" what the hell does that means? 

stupid religious sheeps factory should be taxed!!!!!!!!!!

[citizenx]

So how can Alex be patriotic to the Scriptures when rejecting the Six Man Day beginning of the fullness of the Earth? Alex goes on and on how he has access to documents to prove how the Global Elite are trying to reduce the World's population through sterilization,flu vaccines,poisioning the food and fluoridating the water,etc...... Yet when he's shown the documented Scriptures of the geneologies, He does a ''one eighty'' and puts his own spin on it. Why? cos Alex went to university,and he got brainwashed by the Scientific Dictatorship. Universities are the boot camp breeding grounds of the Global Scientific Dictaorship.Alex faith is first to the White Coats.

They have twisted Alex's ability to say a straight out NO to scientific shampooing and conditioning, he's been scientifically indoctrinated to the nines

OMFG

Yeah, I have no idea what this guys is getting at.

If you don't buy the entire Bishop Ussher chronology, you are a Luciferian or something, I guess.

I think it's pretty clear whose brain has been washed here, and it ain't AJ's.

[citizenx]

Even the angels.

[tritonman]

Let me direct the OP's attention to this little gem.
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=185899.msg1111509;topicseen#msg1111509

[Jackson Holly]

10,000 years?

God has underwear older than that!   

[citizenx]

Holy underwear!

(Oh God, let's not bring the Mormons into this.)

[Michal Ptacnik]

"For tens of thousands of years our ancestors struggled, fought and died against other tribes of humans, against saber-tooth cats, woolly mammoths [and] bengal tigers to simply survive.  The main mission of our species has been to survive on a hostile planet that we developed on." -- Alex Jones, Alex Jones on What We Really Are 1/2

Theologically speaking, a Christian is someone who has received the Lord Jesus as Savior, trusts Him alone for the forgiveness of sins, has put no trust in his own efforts to please God, and repented from his/her sins.  Ascribing to any particular interpretation of the history of the world or the universe with regard to the perception of time is irrelevant.  Time, patience, research and knowledge bring us a better understanding of how things came to be as they are [after He started this ball rolling].  Science itself is not "evil", and if through honest scientific research we find that evidence trumps dogma, I don't see how that makes those who are interested in learning outside the Bible "evil".

Alex has faith in Christ, walks with him as best he can, and does the great work in service to Him and to His beloved creation.  However, just because Alex does not extend that faith to dogmatic interpretation does not mean "they" have "gotten to him".

YES!!!

[ex_nihilo]

The Dinosaurs are what then,a Hoax? or made and placed there in the rocks by the Devil.

God says all the animals were brought before Adam. So did Adam and Eve see the Dinosaurs?

I beleive that it was the Devil's doing by making ''counterfeit fossils'' of creatures that God had no part of. I believe the Fossils were put there by the Devil to break people's faith about the Earth being created in Six Man Days. For the Scientists have their way in teaching the young that the Bible was a fable made up because the Fossils in the Rocks prove it. The Scientific Dictatorship is winning the war for Man's Mind.

The bible talks about Behemoth and Leviathan in Job Chapter 40, which are dinosaurs. God shows these two created creatures to Job in an attempt of explaining part of His character. If God used a dino as an example of His character, how then can they be a deception of satan?


Link:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/i2/behemoth.asp

[ex_nihilo]

Tens of Thousands of years? Alex Jones has been decieved by the fossils in the rocks.

Therefore Alex has no faith in the Genesis explaining the creation of man and the time period thereby.

Alex is preaching lies because he is faithless blind.

You're throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

[ex_nihilo]

Evolution- Not even a Theory:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-answers/features/evolution-not-even-theory?utm_source=aighomepage&utm_medium=bigbanner&utm_content=Evolution_Not_Theory&utm_campaign=MonthlyCampaign

[Kilika]

OK, have the fundies finally gone too far around here, or what?

That's my question.

No, what your observing is a fundamental misunderstanding of scripture by some here, which in turn causes persons like yourself to think they represent a correct doctrinal understanding. If they would actually read the bible and not other books that have incorrect understandings, there wouldn't be this problem.

The biggest deception of all is to think that Satan does things, when it's actually his lies that get people to do things. Fake bones? That's just silly and another lie, and one of many that Satan has been perpetuating all along, starting in the garden. He even lied to Jesus in the wilderness when he offered all the kingdoms of the earth when they weren't his to give to anybody. God owns it all.

Young or old earth? Uh, who really cares? It's a vain debate, and has no part in salvation. It's just a curious thought to ponder till we are transformed and are able to understand the whole truth. While in the flesh as we here are, we can only know part of it, and part of that we can know is the details we are given. Whether the earth is 10,000 years or 10 million, it doesn't matter. Not knowing the earth's age won't stop a person from salvation. To argue it's age is a waiste of time, pun intended!

"But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." 2 Peter 3:8 (KJB)

[poncho]

Are you implying that Adam was 1 and a half Billion years old and Eve also?

For God made Adam and Eve on the sixth Day,and then He rested on the Seventh Day. ( Seventh Day is One Billion Years ?)

Not necessarily.  I'm just stating that those particular days, are measured by God.  The measure of unit is unknown.
Sense God is all knowing, his seventh day may be yet to come.  We may still be on his 6th day of that process.

Who is doing the reporting of the story in those early bits of the Bible?

[Kilika]

Not necessarily.  I'm just stating that those particular days, are measured by God.  The measure of unit is unknown.
Sense God is all knowing, his seventh day may be yet to come.  We may still be on his 6th day of that process.

Who is doing the reporting of the story in those early bits of the Bible?

I recommend that you read the bible again because your a tad bit confused. If you knew what the bible says about it, you wouldn't have posted that. The 'measure of unit" is known, see the above post. We just can't comprehend it in our limited understanding.

In the very first book of the bible is says the seven days were completed. try reading Genesis again.

[Shorebreak]

Does it really matter whether or not God took 6,000 or 6 billion years to cresate the earth? Would one or the other have any impact on your faith? Really?

The Bible message doesn't change either way.

[poncho]

Does it really matter whether or not God took 6,000 or 6 billion years to cresate the earth? Would one or the other have any impact on your faith? Really?

The Bible message doesn't change either way.

Indeed!
LeftyLeo is trying to be absolutely rigid in his interpertation.  And there are thousands of differing views on these topics.  Not to mention differing translations over time.

If you want to be exact, God created the earth first:
http://www.stenudd.com/myth/genesis/genesis1-first-creation-bible-2.htm
Then light, then oceans.  On the 4th day he creates the heavens.

So, if your going to be literal, the lava on planet earth gave no light until the first day.
I guess we shouldn't believe in lava, it must be from the devil.

[lensecap]

Wow...  
You really think that fossils were placed here by the devil?  To test our faith?  Really??
I thought Bill Hicks just made that up as a comedy bit.
I wonder if future inhabitants of the earth will find your fossil thousands of years from now and say the same thing.

goat boy... hehehehe

[Jackson Holly]

Does it really matter whether or not God took 6,000 or 6 billion years to cresate the earth? Would one or the other have any impact on your faith? Really?

The Bible message doesn't change either way.

Exactly! Time has no meaning in an infinite universe.

[Shorebreak]

This thread needs to be moved to the Faux Controversies / Whining section. This is rediculous and has zero value in either reality or faith.

[ex_nihilo]

No, what your observing is a fundamental misunderstanding of scripture by some here, which in turn causes persons like yourself to think they represent a correct doctrinal understanding. If they would actually read the bible and not other books that have incorrect understandings, there wouldn't be this problem.

+1

The biggest deception of all is to think that Satan does things, when it's actually his lies that get people to do things. Fake bones? That's just silly and another lie, and one of many that Satan has been perpetuating all along, starting in the garden. He even lied to Jesus in the wilderness when he offered all the kingdoms of the earth when they weren't his to give to anybody. God owns it all.

Great point about satan's lies, but why would the bible call satan the "god of this world"?

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Young or old earth? Uh, who really cares? It's a vain debate, and has no part in salvation. It's just a curious thought to ponder till we are transformed and are able to understand the whole truth. While in the flesh as we here are, we can only know part of it, and part of that we can know is the details we are given. Whether the earth is 10,000 years or 10 million, it doesn't matter. Not knowing the earth's age won't stop a person from salvation. To argue it's age is a waiste of time, pun intended!

The question is of great importance. If the Bible is wrong about the age of the earth (creation) what else is it wrong about? Could it be wrong about the divinity of Christ Jesus? It is the greatest problem to those that follow logic.

"But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." 2 Peter 3:8 (KJB)

2 Peter 3:8-9
 8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
 9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.


This passage is referring to the agelessness and longsuffering of God. He is beyond time, as He created it and thus controls it. Longsuffering is nothing for Him because time doesn't exist for Him.

[ex_nihilo]

Not necessarily.  I'm just stating that those particular days, are measured by God.  The measure of unit is unknown.
Sense God is all knowing, his seventh day may be yet to come.  We may still be on his 6th day of that process.

Who is doing the reporting of the story in those early bits of the Bible?

The perspective of the Creation account is from Earth.

Each "Day" is a rotation of the earth about it's axis and is evidenced by "evening and morning was X day". You can't have an evening and morning that is millions of years old. Doesn't work.

[poncho]

Riddle me this Literal Bible believers:

On the 4th day god created the heavens.  (Aka stars, moons, our sun, etc.  Very busy day!!!!!!!)

Do you believe in the speed of light?
Yes, than what about the light coming from distant stars?  Some light has been traveling for billions of years and we are witnessing dead stars.

No, then what can you believe?  
---
To me, for any religeon to work, it must make sense.  Religeon must not disagree with science, but instead should co-exist with science.  Physics and Chemistry are laws of reality, aka God's laws.

[citizenx]

Jesus wept.

Really.

Damn.

[Anti-Globalist]

This thread needs to be moved to the Faux Controversies / Whining section. This is rediculous and has zero value in either reality or faith.

Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

evening and the morning   That's a 24 hour single day. The first day of the Earth on it's way to being created in completeness

[poncho]

The perspective of the Creation account is from Earth.

Each "Day" is a rotation of the earth about it's axis and is evidenced by "evening and morning was X day". You can't have an evening and morning that is millions of years old. Doesn't work.

Mega wrong on the day part.  
Some planets have a day lasts minutes.
Some planets have a day that lasts hundreds of years.

God measures his time by earth days?  I highly doubt that.
You imply that an earth day could be the measurable unit.  Without the heavens (day 4), how would a person even know that a day had passed?  No moon, stars or sun as reference points.

[ex_nihilo]

Riddle me this Literal Bible believers:

On the 4th day god created the heavens.  (Aka stars, moons, our sun, etc.  Very busy day!!!!!!!)

Do you believe in the speed of light?
Yes, than what about the light coming from distant stars?  Some light has been traveling for billions of years and we are witnessing dead stars.

No, then what can you believe?  
---
To me, for any religeon to work, it must make sense.  Religeon must not disagree with science, but instead should co-exist with science.  Physics and Chemistry are laws of reality, aka God's laws.

If you believe in the speed of light, then you too have a problem. The Big Bang model doesn't give sufficient time for light (and thus radiation) to intermingle across the vast distance of space, but we observe an overall consistent Cosmic Microwave Background. Logically, you can't say a litteral creation view is flawed when your own view has the same flaw.


Distant Starlight:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v25/i4/lighttravel.asp

http://www.answersingenesis.org/media/video/ondemand/Distant-Starlight/distant-starlight

[poncho]

ex_nihilo, I believe in the speed of light.  It's measureable and observable.

The big bang theory is just that, a theory.  No one will ever know if it's right or wrong.  Yet the time units involved with it are a WAG. (Wild a$$ guess)

To me, I can believe in God and the big bang theory!  It is not hard to surmise, that that is how he created the universe.

Likewise, Darwin and the Bible don't have to be enemies either.  Perhaps the so called rib that Eve comes from is a vague reference to the passing of DNA.