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« on: September 15, 2010, 03:22:30 AM »

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« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2010, 03:48:05 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2010, 05:11:43 AM »


Yes...WOW!
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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2010, 07:50:02 AM »


Nice job, agreed, all former presidents.

I'm no art critic, and I do beleive this painting says a lot, but I wish he had included on that bench a black guy, an indian and oriental.
Sure the painter probably didn't consider this, his message is clear. But realisticaly on the first glimpse ther is only one black face with back turned to all whites.
Incredible peice of art, amazing detail and a message, 100%, just that I wish he had included  a guy of color on that bench..
I have to be honest, despite the flak i get. If I wasn't a white guy  and saw this I bet ya I would pick up on it, I know folks will think I'm nitpicking and missing the big picture, I probably am. Just a thought folks, no offense to this artist or his primary message.
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« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2010, 08:38:59 AM »

The message portrayed here transcends racial issues.  It is unnecessary to inject them into this painting.
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« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2010, 09:10:43 AM »

The message portrayed here transcends racial issues.  It is unnecessary to inject them into this painting.
Hi L. No argument whatsoever, the message portrayed gets there, and it is a fine peice of work, but the day I can't say whats on my mind will find me taking a dirt nap. To be clear, I am not accusing the artist of racism issues in any way manner or form nor am I intending to slight in any way the intent, in fact I admire wholeheatedly the message given.
 I felt this may get in flak, so what, just my first impression aftere seeing all white faces and one black with his back turned on them. If I were a black man I would ponder on this.
Friend, my comment is simply that, a honest oppinion. I have praised this painting to no end therfor there is no doubt as to the fact it speaks volumes and to incude that is a masterpiece of art.
L. I'm simply getting out there what is obvious, no rant..

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« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2010, 09:44:51 AM »

Hi L. No argument whatsoever, the message portrayed gets there, and it is a fine peice of work, but the day I can't say whats on my mind will find me taking a dirt nap. To be clear, I am not accusing the artist of racism issues in any way manner or form nor am I intending to slight in any way the intent, in fact I admire wholeheatedly the message given.
 I felt this may get in flak, so what, just my first impression aftere seeing all white faces and one black with his back turned on them. If I were a black man I would ponder on this.
Friend, my comment is simply that, a honest oppinion. I have praised this painting to no end therfor there is no doubt as to the fact it speaks volumes and to incude that is a masterpiece of art.
L. I'm simply getting out there what is obvious, no rant..



You raise valid points - and I appreciate that you always speak your mind. And you crack me up with "the day I can't say whats on my mind will find me taking a dirt nap"!! LOL... here's to not having any dirt naps for many many years my friend.
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« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2010, 09:59:00 AM »

I appreciate your points, and see where you're coming from.

Trying to put myself in the place of a black man(as difficult as that may be), seeing this painting I will say that if the first thing I see when looking at this painting is the discrepancy between how the Forefathers thought of/treated the American People and how modern Govt. thinks of/treats the population I think any racial questions would fall by the wayside.

However if the first thing I see is racial insensitivity, then my mind isn't in the right place to understand what's going on in the world as well as it should be.

M2C on this.
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« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2010, 11:56:04 AM »

Can anyone point out JFK?  Or is he not in there?
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« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2010, 12:03:51 PM »

Can anyone point out JFK?  Or is he not in there?

third from right from the man on the bench
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« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2010, 12:21:57 PM »

Virtuoso painting, but Reagan standing amongst the great presidents of old, and Kennedy and FDR with their backs turned to the common man? Please.
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« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2010, 10:34:59 PM »

Ya I'd have put kennedy on the left, perhaps flipping the bird to those on the right. 

Maybe Reagan is sneaking up on the guy to strangle him.....  Then again Reagan was almost assassinated at one point so maybe he at least tried to be a good President at some point. 
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« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2010, 12:02:23 AM »

the United States vs. the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA   (NEW WORLD ORDER corp)

a great piece of artwork, declare it a masterpiece. parade it everywhere!
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« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2010, 04:37:53 AM »

Symbolism, mental imagery,the  sublimal.
This painting must have taken the artist loads of time and patience, it a fine peice of art, no doubt about it.
But, I have to question his reasoning, the multiple messages given of.
I posted on this once before,  after taking another look at it, I have to question the artists motives.
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« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2010, 06:42:37 PM »

Hi L. No argument whatsoever, the message portrayed gets there, and it is a fine peice of work, but the day I can't say whats on my mind will find me taking a dirt nap. To be clear, I am not accusing the artist of racism issues in any way manner or form nor am I intending to slight in any way the intent, in fact I admire wholeheatedly the message given.
 I felt this may get in flak, so what, just my first impression aftere seeing all white faces and one black with his back turned on them. If I were a black man I would ponder on this.
Friend, my comment is simply that, a honest oppinion. I have praised this painting to no end therfor there is no doubt as to the fact it speaks volumes and to incude that is a masterpiece of art.
L. I'm simply getting out there what is obvious, no rant..

Due to the magic of photoshop, you could make this happen  Wink
Photoshop contest! Cheesy
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« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2010, 11:40:31 AM »

Here's a 15 minute touchup  Wink
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« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2010, 11:47:11 PM »

What is the poster representing? I really like the painting and both versions but what is it trying to say?
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« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2010, 12:24:06 AM »

What is the poster representing? I really like the painting and both versions but what is it trying to say?

http://www.mcnaughtonart.com/artwork/view_zoom/?artpiece_id=379

McNaughton responses to Criticisms of The Forgotten Man

I would like to take a minute to explain some of the points of confusion for those who wish to interpret my picture.

Why did I paint this?  Like many Americans I feel shock at the direction our country is heading.  There is a great polarizing effect taking place in America today.  There are many who swoon over Obama's policies of redistribution of wealth.  What will the government give me?  If you believe this is the proper role of government you will certainly see great CHANGE in your lifetime.  I wanted to paint a picture that portrays the plight of the common man.  Perhaps the FM is already experiencing this now or will in the future.  My hope is that he will "wake up!" now before it is too late.

There is no racial meaning or undertone that the FM is not black.  This is not a racial painting; it is about the vanishing of the American dream.

It is not a partisan painting.  I take no favoritism of Republicans or Democrats.  Both parties are guilty.

The only solution I offer is to take a 180 degree turn and return to the principles of the Constitution, which define a limited government, protect individual and states' rights and make no allowance for any of the baggage we have accumulated over the years in the form of entitlement programs.  The only way to cure the cancer is to root it out and endure the painful healing.  Perhaps, with God's help, we will survive.

Is it disrespectful to have in my painting the President of the United States standing on the Constitution?  Is the President without reproach?  I am simply one American speaking to another American.  The painting symbolically suggests the actions of Barack Obama as well as other presidents.  Yes, their actions speak louder than words&#8212;as do the brushstrokes in my painting.

I have endeavored to keep this information simple and to the point.  The information is historical, if it is not familiar to you; Google it.

I picked the trashed papers based on the issues that I believe have been the most damaging to America.  These issues have been trampled by politicians of both parties for over a century.  When will the American people decide to defend the Forgotten Man?  Let us raise our voices together and demand the kind of CHANGE that will truly save our way of life.

Why did I not mention critical information about some Presidents which defined their presidencies?  My only purpose is to identify each President and with simplicity express what they have done to either help or hinder the Forgotten Man.  I invite all to search deeper into the history of the painting's message and discover if what I paint is true.  Can you truly say our house is in order when our debt is stealing away the future of every man woman and child in America?
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« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2010, 02:42:46 AM »



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« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2010, 10:18:20 PM »

Here is the Web Site....

http://www.mcnaughtonart.com/
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« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2010, 05:04:09 PM »


NWO and The Forgotten Man - Artist Jon McNaughton channel SethAdamSmith Makes Art not War HD720p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ4yW4N6lhA

Against the background of a darkening sky, all of the past Presidents of the United States gather before the White House, as if to commemorate some great event. In the left hand corner of the painting sits a man. That man, with his head bowed appears distraught and hopeless as he contemplates his future. Some of the past Presidents try to console him while looking in the direction of the modern Presidents as if to say, "What have you done?" Many of these modern Presidents, seemingly oblivious to anything other than themselves, appear to be congratulating each other on their great accomplishments. In front of the man, paper trash is blowing in the wind. Crumpled dollar bills, legislative documents, and, like a whisper—the U.S. Constitution beneath the foot of Barack Obama.
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« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2010, 08:24:24 PM »

Excellent breakdown  ^^^^     
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« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2010, 11:51:14 AM »

Super painting.
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« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2010, 12:17:01 PM »

I remember the day when obama got elected.  I remember all the black people at my workplace looking like they had died and gone to heaven.  As if things were really going to change.  As if things were going to change because a black man was in the white house.

I too got infected with their glee, even thought I knew in my heart that he had been hand picked by the CFR months before.

I am glad to see a black man in the white house.  Of course I am glad because he is black, a once upon a time miracle happened a black president.   But also because I no longer had to wait all my life to see a black president and learn that things in fact are not going to change because a black man is in the white house. 

Now I know that even though a black man is in the white house, the forgotten man in the picture is not looked after.  And what makes the picture worse is what if this forgotten man is not just a forgotten man, but a returning iraq veteran with PTSD that cannot find a job and did the best for his country that is worse.

So no, just because a black man who is probably related to people who were descendants of slaves, is in the white house change just isnt going to happen.  He has a chance but things wont change. Wasted time wasted talent.
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« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2010, 01:05:30 PM »

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Here's the URL to the high resolution version, 'cause low-res (e.g. less than your screen resolution) sucks when it comes to desktop backgrounds:

http://www.mcnaughtonart.com/images/image_map_zoom_images/the_forgotten_man.jpg


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FIGURE 1:

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« Reply #25 on: October 03, 2010, 01:43:29 PM »

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Here's the URL to the high resolution version, 'cause low-res (e.g. less than your screen resolution) sucks when it comes to desktop backgrounds:

http://www.mcnaughtonart.com/images/image_map_zoom_images/the_forgotten_man.jpg


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I downloaded this already myself.  Wink

Granted the website didn't do the best job of hiding the location of the image but the artist is a patriot and perhaps he did not post a link to this high res version on his site for a reason.

It is a beautiful piece. If Ron Paul ever made it to the White House I would hope the the artist would donate it to hang in the Oval Office.
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« Reply #26 on: October 03, 2010, 02:43:00 PM »

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If you put it on the net you can code and legislate 'till you're blue in the hands and face, it will still get out there.  It's much like gravity: the Law of Information Freedom.  All coding schemes to slow down propagation are mere puzzles and legislation is just words backed by a man with a gun.  RIAA and MPAA have yet to reconcile this truth into their business models.

Copy restrictions, whether legal, moral, or technological, is a form of enforced ignorance.  I know the purpose of such devices, but such knowledge does nothing to reduce the absolute correctness of my statements.


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« Reply #27 on: October 03, 2010, 03:00:45 PM »

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If you put it on the net you can code and legislate 'till you're blue in the hands and face, it will still get out there.  It's much like gravity: the Law of Information Freedom.  All coding schemes to slow down propagation are mere puzzles and legislation is just words backed by a man with a gun.  RIAA and MPAA have yet to reconcile this truth into their business models.

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Hey man, I'm with you. Information wants to be free.

Normally I'm all for "acquiring" anything that isn't locked down. In this case I made an exception because I think the artist has done an amazing thing and deserves the credit.

Also, I didn't delete your link. I thought about posting it myself but as a mod I have to consider the forum.
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« Reply #28 on: October 19, 2010, 07:48:20 PM »

I think it is a great painting, and I feel no racial overtones, I just feel sorry for the guy on the bench, and I am looking at all the presidents who stand beside and do nothing, especially those of this modern time.  As for Obama with his back turned, he is a puppet of the NWO, and he is not my leader, as an AA, he is just a patsy they put in the white house, so the blacks folks can be further mislead.
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« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2011, 11:34:50 AM »

Whoa!  This is simply breathtaking.  Amazing, I tip the cap to the artist. Thanks for posting
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« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2011, 06:09:14 PM »

This is a great work of art - but it pisses me off. What's the Constitution doing on the ground!

All of these men took an oath to uphold the Constitution - "Time to open a can of Wupass"

Get these yellowbellys of this man's back and let him stand on his own 2 feet.
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« Reply #31 on: September 21, 2011, 11:14:42 AM »

Is that painting available in posterformat?
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« Reply #32 on: September 21, 2011, 12:26:06 PM »

"The Forgotten Man" - William Powell - My Man Godfrey - 1936 - Depression Film:






Two spoiled socialite sisters are out on a scavenger hunt. To win they need a "forgotten man",  They go to a dump down by the river (and no I didn't see a van there) and see scruffy William Powell sitting outside his shack. They offer him $5 to play along, but he doesn't like the idea of being used like a piece of meat so he causes the one sister the fall into an ash pile. The other sister thinks that was grand and tells Powell so. He takes a liking to her and she even more so to him. He comes along with her and she wins and she then offers him a job as their new butler.


William Powell and Carol Lombard

The movie pokes a great deal of derision at the vapidness of the upper classes and emphasizes the dignity of the downtrodden - an appropriate response to the Depression. It does so, however, without too much politicizing or theorizing. It confronts and conquers evil - in the curvaceous form of Gail Patrick - and Powell does more than just the right thing. He not only turns his cheek, but becomes the family's patronly godfather.


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During the Great Depression, Godfrey "Smith" (William Powell) is living alongside other men down on their luck at the city dump. One night, spoiled socialite Cornelia Bullock (Gail Patrick) offers him five dollars to be her "forgotten man" for a scavenger hunt.

Annoyed, he advances on her, causing her to retreat and fall on a pile of ashes. She leaves in a fury, much to the glee of her younger sister, Irene (Carole Lombard). After talking with her, Godfrey finds her to be kind, if a bit scatter-brained. He offers to go with Irene to help her beat Cornelia.

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« Reply #33 on: September 21, 2011, 12:36:01 PM »

there are three things missing .

The man on the bench  and laying on the ground at his feet are  a foreclosure notice, work place lay off notice, and tax bill increase letter.
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« Reply #34 on: September 23, 2011, 08:31:39 PM »

I don't give a crap about the history or the art of "The Forgotten Man." 

Why in GOD'S GREEN EARTH would any moral man not uphold the GREATEST document of modern governments - The Constitution Of The United States.

Don't you broccoli heads see that the real significance here is that The Constitution is being tread upon.

All of these men were sworn to uphold The Constitution Of The United States Of America

Dammit - Do your duty!
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« Reply #35 on: February 04, 2012, 05:50:24 AM »

Controversial Artist Depicts Obama Trampling The Constitution
4 February 2012
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http://www.infowars.com/controversial-artist-depicts-obama-trampling-the-constitution/


Controversial Artist Depicts Obama Trampling The Constitution
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http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2012/02/03/controversial-artist-depicts-obama-trampling-the-constitution/


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« Reply #36 on: February 04, 2012, 06:26:20 AM »

Are my eyes playing tricks on me, or does the above image have Ronald Reagan positioned as a champion of the "forgotten man" and JFK as a philosophical forefather of Obama?

If the latter, then I'm afraid I must object.

Why did the ruling elite assassinate JFK instead of Reagan? Because JFK didn't care as much about the "forgotten man" as Reagan did?

Or was it for precisely the opposite reason?

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« Reply #37 on: February 04, 2012, 07:18:33 AM »

Are my eyes playing tricks on me, or does the above image have Ronald Reagan positioned as a champion of the "forgotten man" and JFK as a philosophical forefather of Obama?

If the latter, then I'm afraid I must object.

Why did the ruling elite assassinate JFK instead of Reagan? Because JFK didn't care as much about the "forgotten man" as Reagan did?

Or was it for precisely the opposite reason?

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=204774.0

Mmmm ... bit to far fetched I think. Reagan is gesturing at the forgotten man like Lincoln and the others in that group.

JFK is doing the same in his group who are pointing at the trampled constitution.

Obama's mentor was Brezinski btw.
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« Reply #38 on: March 29, 2012, 06:33:33 AM »

"The Forgotten Man" - William Powell - My Man Godfrey - 1936 - Depression Film:






Two spoiled socialite sisters are out on a scavenger hunt. To win they need a "forgotten man",  They go to a dump down by the river (and no I didn't see a van there) and see scruffy William Powell sitting outside his shack. They offer him $5 to play along, but he doesn't like the idea of being used like a piece of meat so he causes the one sister the fall into an ash pile. The other sister thinks that was grand and tells Powell so. He takes a liking to her and she even more so to him. He comes along with her and she wins and she then offers him a job as their new butler.


William Powell and Carol Lombard

The movie pokes a great deal of derision at the vapidness of the upper classes and emphasizes the dignity of the downtrodden - an appropriate response to the Depression. It does so, however, without too much politicizing or theorizing. It confronts and conquers evil - in the curvaceous form of Gail Patrick - and Powell does more than just the right thing. He not only turns his cheek, but becomes the family's patronly godfather.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Man_Godfrey
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During the Great Depression, Godfrey "Smith" (William Powell) is living alongside other men down on their luck at the city dump. One night, spoiled socialite Cornelia Bullock (Gail Patrick) offers him five dollars to be her "forgotten man" for a scavenger hunt.

Annoyed, he advances on her, causing her to retreat and fall on a pile of ashes. She leaves in a fury, much to the glee of her younger sister, Irene (Carole Lombard). After talking with her, Godfrey finds her to be kind, if a bit scatter-brained. He offers to go with Irene to help her beat Cornelia.



Love this movie!  i am starting a column here on infowars on the forum and site I hope about classic films that expose truths the NWO doesnt want us to know now. I sent alex a bunch of VHS and DVds of old John wayne movies that were relevant in some way to the truth.
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