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« on: September 14, 2010, 05:28:52 PM »

Revelation 2:8-9
2:8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:7-0
7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;
8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.


There is only one man in all of Scripture, only one person in the entire Bible for whom Yahweh (Hebrew name of God) declares His personal hatred. That man’s name is Esau, the elder twin brother of Jacob.

KJV Malachi 1:1-5
1 The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi.
2 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,
3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
4 Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the LORD of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, the border of wickedness, and, the people against whom the LORD hath indignation for ever.

And again in the New Testament:

KJV Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

For those who don't know, Edom is the nation of Esau.  Edomites are his descendants.  Idumea and Idumeans are the Latin forms of Edom and Edomites.

Simply because someone calls himself a Jew does not prove that he is a true physical descendant of Jacob/Israel. Just as people from many different races and nationalities are referred to as Americans merely by virtue of their being a United States citizen, so the Romans also referred to all the inhabitants of Judea as Judeans (Jews in modern parlance), regardless of whether they were Israelites by blood or not.

"John Hyrcanus conquered the whole of Edom and undertook the forced conversion of its inhabitants to Judaism (Joseph., Ant. XIII, 9, 1). Thenceforth the Edomites became a section of the Jewish people." (Encyclopedia Judaica, Vol. 6, (1971), p. 378; The New Standard Jewish Encyclopedia (1977), p. 589).

"Thus, at this juncture of time the Edomites 'were incorporated with the Jewish nation, and their country was called by the Greeks and Romans 'Idumea' (Mark 3:8; Ptolemy, 'Geography,' v. 16)." (The Jewish Encyclopedia, Vol. V. (1904), p. 41).


Flavius Josephus Antiquities of the Jews Book XIII

CONTAINING THE INTERVAL OF EIGHTY-TWO YEARS,
FROM THE DEATH OF JUDAS MACCABEUS TO THE DEATH OF QUEEN ALEXANDRA.

CHAPTER 9.
HOW, AFTER THE DEATH OF ANTIOCHUS, HYRCANUS MADE AN EXPEDITION AGAINST SYRIA, AND MADE A LEAGUE WITH THE ROMANS. CONCERNING THE DEATH OF KING DEMETRIUS AND ALEXANDER.
1. BUT when Hyrcanus heard of the death of Antiochus, he presently made an expedition against the cities of Syria, hoping to find them destitute of fighting men, and of such as were able to defend them. However, it was not till the sixth month that he took Medaba, and that not without the greatest distress of his army. After this he took Samega, and the neighboring places; and besides these, Shechem and Gerizzim, and the nation of the Cutheans, who dwelt at the temple which resembled that temple which was at Jerusalem, and which Alexander permitted Sanballat, the general of his army, to build for the sake of Manasseh, who was son-in-law to Jaddua the high priest, as we have formerly related; which temple was now deserted two hundred years after it was built. Hyrcanus took also Dora and Marissa, cities of Idumea, and subdued all the Idumeans [Edomites, descendants of Esau]; and permitted them to stay in that country, if they would circumcise their genitals, and make use of the laws of the Jews; and they were so desirous of living in the country of their forefathers, that they submitted to the use of circumcision, and of the rest of the Jewish ways of living; at which time therefore this befell them, that they were hereafter no other than Jews.

KJV Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Flavius Josephus The Wars of the Jews
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The History of the Destruction of Jerusalem Book II

CONTAINING THE INTERVAL OF SIXTY-NINE YEARS.
FROM THE DEATH OF HEROD TILL VESPASIAN WAS SENT TO SUBDUE THE JEWS BY NERO.

CHAPTER 8.
ARCHELAUS'S ETHNARCHY IS REDUCED INTO A [ROMAN] PROVINCE. THE SEDITION OF JUDAS OF GALILEE. THE THREE SECTS.

2. For there are three philosophical sects among the Jews. The followers of the first of which are the Pharisees; of the second, the Sadducees; and the third sect, which pretends to a severer discipline, are called Essenes. These last are Jews by birth, and seem to have a greater affection for one another than the other sects have. These Essenes reject pleasures as an evil, but esteem continence, and the conquest over our passions, to be virtue. They neglect wedlock, but choose out other persons children, while they are pliable, and fit for learning, and esteem them to be of their kindred, and form them according to their own manners. They do not absolutely deny the fitness of marriage, and the succession of mankind thereby continued; but they guard against the lascivious behavior of women, and are persuaded that none of them preserve their fidelity to one man.


KJV Revelation 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

(From the Strong's Concordance) 123 אדום or אדם ‘edom , n.pr.m. Edom, referring to a person and his ancestral territory S.E. of the Dead Sea, “red”:- Edom [87], Edomites [9], Idumea [4]

Not saying that Esau is Satan, just showing a possible connection between the two.

Obadiah [means servant of Yahweh,]

1:1 The vision of Obadiah. Thus saith the Lord GOD concerning Edom; We have heard a rumour from the LORD, and an ambassador is sent among the heathen, Arise ye, and let us rise up against her in battle.
1:2 Behold, I have made thee small among the heathen: thou art greatly despised.
1:3 The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high; that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground?
1:4 Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the LORD.
1:5 If thieves came to thee, if robbers by night, (how art thou cut off !) would they not have stolen till they had enough? if the grapegatherers came to thee, would they not leave some grapes?
1:6 How are the things of Esau searched out ! how are his hidden things sought up !
1:7 All the men of thy confederacy have brought thee even to the border: the men that were at peace with thee have deceived thee, and prevailed against thee; they that eat thy bread have laid a wound under thee: there is none understanding in him.
1:8 Shall I not in that day, saith the LORD, even destroy the wise men out of Edom, and understanding out of the mount of Esau?
1:9 And thy mighty men, O Teman, shall be dismayed, to the end that every one of the mount of Esau may be cut off by slaughter.
1:10 For thy violence against thy brother Jacob shame shall cover thee, and thou shalt be cut off for ever.
1:11 In the day that thou stoodest on the other side, in the day that the strangers carried away captive his forces, and foreigners entered into his gates, and cast lots upon Jerusalem, even thou wast as one of them.
1:12 But thou shouldest not have looked on the day of thy brother in the day that he became a stranger [more literallly, "the day of his disaster/misfortune". Neker (spelled nun-khaf-resh) means misfortune or disaster according to the Hebrew dictionary of the Strong's Concordance (see listing #5235). It is close to the Hebrew for "stranger" nekar (spelled the same but pronounced slightly differently), which may be the cause of the mistranslation here.]; neither shouldest thou have rejoiced over the children of Judah in the day of their destruction; neither shouldest thou have spoken proudly in the day of distress [See, it makes more sense if neker is translated as disaster or misfortune].
1:13 Thou shouldest not have entered into the gate of my people in the day of their calamity; yea, thou shouldest not have looked on their affliction in the day of their calamity, nor have laid hands on their substance in the day of their calamity;
1:14 Neither shouldest thou have stood in the crossway, to cut off those of his that did escape; neither shouldest thou have delivered up those of his that did remain in the day of distress.
1:15 For the day of the LORD is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head.
1:16 For as ye have drunk upon my holy mountain, so shall all the heathen drink continually, yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, and they shall be as though they had not been.
1:17 But upon mount Zion shall be deliverance, and there shall be holiness; and the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions.
1:18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.
1:19 And they of the south shall possess the mount of Esau; and they of the plain the Philistines: and they shall possess the fields of Ephraim, and the fields of Samaria: and Benjamin shall possess Gilead.
1:20 And the captivity of this host of the children of Israel shall possess that of the Canaanites, even unto Zarephath; and the captivity of Jerusalem, which is in Sepharad, shall possess the cities of the south.
1:21 And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the LORD'S.

And take a look at this. The Zohar is a Kabbalistic work. Kabbalah is a system of 'Jewish' mysticism, i.e. magic.

Zohar, Section 3, Page 199b �When Israel are by themselves and do not come up for judgement with the other peoples, God is lenient with them and makes atonement for them. But when they come up with the other peoples, God knows that Samael, the guardian of Esau, will come to call to mind their sins, and therefore He provides a remedy for them and for each sin He smites them and purifies them with chastisements little by little, but does not clear them out of the world. When they come up for judgement Samael brings up many records against them, but God brings forth the records of the sufferings which they have endured for each sin, so that they are all wiped off without any indulgence. Then Samael has no more power and can do nothing to them and he vanishes from the world with all his followers and peoples.�

The Ascension of Isaiah (Jewish Pseudepigrapha) 11:41 On account of these visions and prophecies Sammael Satan sawed in sunder Isaiah the son of Amoz, the prophet, by the hand of Manasseh.
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« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2010, 05:31:09 PM »

John 8:37-45
37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. [Esau, Edom was Abraham's seed.]
38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Matthew 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation [gennema] of vipers [echidna], who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

Matthew 12:24, 34
24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
34 O generation [gennema] of vipers [echidna], how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

Matthew 23:29-33
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation [gennema] of vipers [echidna], how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Luke 3:7-8
7 Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O ggeneration [gennema] of vipers [echidna], who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

gennema, n. - fruit, product, yield, harvest, offspring, brood:- translated in the New Testament as generation [4x], fruit [3x], fruits [2x] Strong's Concordance Greek Dictionary reference #1081

echidna, n. - viper, snake:-translated in the New Testament as vipers [4x], viper [1x]

And now take a look at this:

"In the most ancient layers of Greek mythology, Echidna (Greek: Ἔχιδνα, ekhis, ἔχις, meaning "she viper") was called the "Mother of All Monsters" because most of the monsters in Greek myth were the offspring of Echidna and her husband Typhon...Echidna was a drakaina [female dragon], with the face and torso of a beautiful woman (depicted as winged in archaic vase-paintings) and the body of a serpent, sometimes having two serpent's tails." from Echidna (mythology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

Is it not likely that Yahshua Christ was aware of this other meaning for the word echidna?
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« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2010, 05:36:01 PM »

Matthew23:33 Ye serpents [ophis], ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Just how polluted was Esau's line? Let us examine the genealogy of Edom.

Genesis 26:34-35
34 And Esau was forty years old when he took to wife Judith the daughter of Beeri the Hittite, and Bashemath the daughter of Elon the Hittite:
35 Which were a grief of mind unto Isaac and to Rebekah.

Hittites were related to the Canaanites. See Genesis 15:18-21; Exodus 3:17, 13:15, 23:23; Number 13:29 for example. Go to http://www.blueletterbible.org/index.cfm and search Hittites to find more verses.

Genesis 28:8-9
8 And Esau seeing that the daughters of Canaan pleased not Isaac his father;
9 Then went Esau unto Ishmael, and took unto the wives which he had Mahalath the daughter of Ishmael Abraham's son, the sister of Nebajoth, to be his wife.

Genesis 36:1-3,8-9,12,
1 Now these are the generations of Esau, who is Edom.
2 Esau took his wives of the daughters of Canaan; Adah the daughter of Elon the Hittite, and Aholibamah the daughter of Anah the daughter of Zibeon the Hivite;
8 And Bashemath Ishmael's daughter, sister of Nebajoth.
Thus dwelt Esau in mount Seir: Esau is Edom.
9 And these are the generations of Esau the father of the Edomites in mount Seir:
12 And Timna was concubine to Eliphaz Esau's son; and she bare to Eliphaz Amalek
20 These are the sons of Seir the Horite, who inhabited the land; Lotan, and Shobal, and Zibeon, and Anah,
21 And Dishon, and Ezer, and Dishan: these are the dukes of the Horites, the children of Seir in the land of Edom.
22 And the children of Lotan were Hori and Hemam; and Lotan's sister was Timna.

So, the Edomites dwelt in the land of Seir and intermarried with the Horites or Horim. Why is that important?

Genesis 14:1-6
1 And it came to pass in the days of Amraphel king of Shinar, Arioch king of Ellasar, Chedorlaomer king of Elam, and Tidal king of nations;
2 That these made war with Bera king of Sodom, and with Birsha king of Gomorrah, Shinab king of Admah, and Shemeber king of Zeboiim, and the king of Bela, which is Zoar.
3 All these were joined together in the vale of Siddim, which is the salt sea.
4 Twelve years they served Chedorlaomer, and in the thirteenth year they rebelled.
5 And in the fourteenth year came Chedorlaomer, and the kings that were with him, and smote the Rephaims in Ashteroth Karnaim, and the Zuzims in Ham, and the Emims in Shaveh Kiriathaim,
6 And the Horites in their mount Seir, unto El-paran, which is by the wilderness.

Deuteronomy 2:10-12, 20-23
10 The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims;
11 Which also were accounted giants [Rephaim], as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims.
12 The Horims also dwelt in Seir beforetime; but the children of Esau succeeded them, when they had destroyed them from before them, and dwelt in their stead; as Israel did unto the land of his possession, which the LORD gave unto them.
20 (That also was accounted a land of giants [Rephaim]: giants [Rephaim] dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims;
21 A people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; but the LORD destroyed them before them; and they succeeded them, and dwelt in their stead:
22 As he did to the children of Esau, which dwelt in Seir, when he destroyed the Horims from before them; and they succeeded them, and dwelt in their stead even unto this day:
23 And the Avims which dwelt in Hazerim, even unto Azzah, the Caphtorims, which came forth out of Caphtor, destroyed them, and dwelt in their stead.)

But as we saw from the record of Genesis ch. 36, The Edomites did not utterly destroy the Horites/Horim, but took wives of them, and had children by them.

The Rephaim and other tribes such as the Horim were descended from the Nephilim. They bore the seed of the serpent, being the product of the intermarriage between fallen angels and human women.

If any want to challenge the fact that the "sons of God" of Genesis chapter 6 were angels, just look at the following verses.

Genesis 6:1-2
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Psalm 29:1 Give unto the LORD, O ye mighty [actually bene el in Hebrew, "sons of God"], give unto the LORD glory and strength.

Psalm 89:6 For who in the heaven can be compared unto the LORD? who among the sons of the mighty [el in Hebrew, "God"] can be likened unto the LORD?
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« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2010, 06:02:39 PM »

Edom is Hebrew for "red".  Could this be why Mayer Amschel Bauer changed his name to Rothshchild, German for "red shield"?
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« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2010, 08:26:13 AM »

Btw, King Herod was an Edomite.

Luke 13:31-33
31 The same day there came certain of the Pharisees, saying unto him, Get thee out, and depart hence: for Herod will kill thee.
32 And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.
33 Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.

    The accession of Herod, a Roman protégé and an Edomite... from http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/179379/Edomite

"King of Judea 40-4 B.C.; founder of the Herodian dynasty; born about 73 B.C.; son of Antipater, and, consequently, of Idumean origin." from http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=630&letter=H&search=herod#ixzz0zXwRg6Ls.

"Father of Herod I.; died 43 B.C. He was the son of Antipas, a convert to Judaism, who was governor of Idumća under the reigns of Alexander Jannćus and his queen dowager Alexandra, and rendered himself serviceable to the Jewish rulers, through his connections with his former congeners, of Arabia Petrća." from http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=1598&letter=A&search=antipater#ixzz0zXwrEXHe

Idumean is the Latin for Edomite, Idumea the latin for the land of Edom.

Isaiah 34:1-10
1 Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it.
2 For the indignation of the LORD is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter.
3 Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood.
4 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree. (6th seal of Revelation, perhaps?)
5 For my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment.
6 The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.
7 And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.
8 For it is the day of the LORD's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.
9 And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch.
10 It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever.

Obviously, this judgment has not yet fallen upon Edom.

Ezekiel 35:15 As thou didst rejoice at the inheritance of the house of Israel, because it was desolate, so will I do unto thee: thou shalt be desolate, O mount Seir, and all Idumea, even all of it: and they shall know that I am the LORD.

Read the whole of Ezekiel chapter 35. It's all against Edom.

Ezekiel 36:5 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Surely in the fire of my jealousy have I spoken against the residue of the heathen, and against all Idumea, which have appointed my land into their possession with the joy of all their heart, with despiteful minds, to cast it out for a prey.

Hmmm.

I encourage everyone to read the entirety of Isaiah ch. 34 and Ezekiel chs. 35-36.
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« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2010, 08:40:45 AM »

Another point of interest, Isaiah 34:14 is the only verse in the Bible where the name Lilith appears in Hebrew.

Isaiah 34:11-17
11 But the cormorant and the bittern shall possess it; the owl also and the raven shall dwell in it: and he shall stretch out upon it the line of confusion, and the stones of emptiness.
12 They shall call the nobles thereof to the kingdom, but none shall be there, and all her princes shall be nothing.
13 And thorns shall come up in her palaces, nettles and brambles in the fortresses thereof: and it shall be an habitation of dragons, and a court for owls.
14 The wild beasts of the desert shall also meet with the wild beasts of the island, and the satyr shall cry to his fellow; the screech owl [Lilit] also shall rest there, and find for herself a place of rest.
15 There shall the great owl make her nest, and lay, and hatch, and gather under her shadow: there shall the vultures also be gathered, every one with her mate.
16 Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them.
17 And he hath cast the lot for them, and his hand hath divided it unto them by line: they shall possess it for ever, from generation to generation shall they dwell therein.

lilit, n.f. - night creature; Lilith, a female demon of the night (Strong's Concordance Hebrew Dictionary reference #3917)

For those who don't know the legends concerning Lilith:

"In Jewish folklore, Lilith is the name of Adam's first wife, who was created at the same time and from the same earth as Adam. She left Adam after she refused to become subservient to Adam and then would not return to the Garden of Eden after she mated with archangel Samael [Satan]..." from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith

Isaiah 34:11, 13
11  But the cormorant and the bittern shall possess it; the owl [yansup] also and the raven shall dwell in it: and he shall stretch out upon it the line of confusion, and the stones of emptiness.
13 And thorns shall come up in her palaces, nettles and brambles in the fortresses thereof: and it shall be an habitation of dragons [tannin], and a court for owls [banat-ya'na - "daughters of the owl].
15 There shall the great owl [qippoz] make her nest, and lay, and hatch, and gather under her shadow: there shall the vultures also be gathered, every one with her mate.

As we know, there is a place in northern California, called Bohemian Grove, where some very wicked people conduct occult ceremonies before the statue of a great owl.
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« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2011, 03:33:39 PM »

Edom would live by the sword. And he would serve his brother Jacob. He would serve him but with the aim of gaining dominion over him by undermining him. Charging usury is forbidden in the bible. Like the sword it too draws blood. Edomite Freemasonry is very much involved with finance and banking. Often people think it's only the Jews that have financial acumen. Well Edom does too. And Edom is amongst both the 10 lost tribes of the 'House of Israel' and the 'House of Judah' (the Jews).

Edom will serve his brother Jacob, which implies proximity. We don't have a nation called Edom at the United Nations. And the 'House of Israel' isn't there either. But both still exist. Edom is still serving Jacob. And you will find the seed of Edom mixed in with Jacob, wherever he is.

Jewish Rabbis are quick to point out that the Church is Edom. And some Christian anti Semites are equally quick to say that the Jews are Kazar Jews and not really genuine Jews. So are there Edomites amongst the Jews or amongst the Christians in the west? The truth is is that Edom is amongst both entities, the Jews and the Christians. He is near or even within both Houses! And I am not just speaking metaphorically. The literal descendants of both Jacob and Esau are entwined in the same nations and localities. He has to be there in order to serve his brother Jacob. And like a fly in the ointment these Edomites help exacerbate the enmity between the true Jews and the 10 Lost tribes.

Even in the time of the Exodus the Israelites had some peoples from other nations amongst them. They were a mixed multitude. Caleb was adopted into Judah but he was from Kenez from Edom. Bezaleel was from Caleb according to 1 Chronicles 2:20. Surly Nabal, Abigails husband and a son of Belial was also a descendant of Edom.  So although Edomites became true God-fearing converts, their descendants eventually turn back to Edom's old ways.

full Article on Edom and the regathering of the 10 Lost Tribes of the House of Israel here;
http://www.10losttribes.com/1/post/2010/12/edom-the-church-part-2.html

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« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2011, 03:50:01 PM »

Edom would live by the sword. And he would serve his brother Jacob. He would serve him but with the aim of gaining dominion over him by undermining him. Charging usury is forbidden in the bible. Like the sword it too draws blood. Edomite Freemasonry is very much involved with finance and banking. Often people think it's only the Jews that have financial acumen. Well Edom does too. And Edom is amongst both the 10 lost tribes of the 'House of Israel' and the 'House of Judah' (the Jews).

Edom will serve his brother Jacob, which implies proximity. We don't have a nation called Edom at the United Nations. And the 'House of Israel' isn't there either. But both still exist. Edom is still serving Jacob. And you will find the seed of Edom mixed in with Jacob, wherever he is.

Jewish Rabbis are quick to point out that the Church is Edom. And some Christian anti Semites are equally quick to say that the Jews are Kazar Jews and not really genuine Jews. So are there Edomites amongst the Jews or amongst the Christians in the west? The truth is is that Edom is amongst both entities, the Jews and the Christians. He is near or even within both Houses! And I am not just speaking metaphorically. The literal descendants of both Jacob and Esau are entwined in the same nations and localities. He has to be there in order to serve his brother Jacob. And like a fly in the ointment these Edomites help exacerbate the enmity between the true Jews and the 10 Lost tribes.

Even in the time of the Exodus the Israelites had some peoples from other nations amongst them. They were a mixed multitude. Caleb was adopted into Judah but he was from Kenez from Edom. Bezaleel was from Caleb according to 1 Chronicles 2:20. Surly Nabal, Abigails husband and a son of Belial was also a descendant of Edom.  So although Edomites became true God-fearing converts, their descendants eventually turn back to Edom's old ways.

full Article on Edom and the regathering of the 10 Lost Tribes of the House of Israel here;
http://www.10losttribes.com/1/post/2010/12/edom-the-church-part-2.html

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Interesting, but I don't think there is enough evidence to suggest that Caleb was an Edomite.  

Numbers 13:6  Of the tribe of Judah, Caleb the son of Jephunneh.

Numbers 32:12  Save Caleb the son of Jephunneh the Kenezite, and Joshua the son of Nun: for they have wholly followed the LORD.

Joshua 14:6  Then the children of Judah came unto Joshua in Gilgal: and Caleb the son of Jephunneh the Kenezite said unto him, Thou knowest the thing that the LORD said unto Moses the man of God concerning me and thee in Kadeshbarnea.

Joshua 14:14  Hebron therefore became the inheritance of Caleb the son of Jephunneh the Kenezite unto this day, because that he wholly followed the LORD God of Israel.

Yes, there was an Edomite named Kenaz.

Genesis 36:11  And the sons of Eliphaz were Teman, Omar, Zepho, and Gatam, and Kenaz.

Genesis 36:15  These [were] dukes of the sons of Esau: the sons of Eliphaz the firstborn [son] of Esau; duke Teman, duke Omar, duke Zepho, duke Kenaz,

Genesis 36:42  Duke Kenaz, duke Teman, duke Mibzar,

But Kenaz is a Hebrew word/name which means "hunting".  There is no reason to assume that another man of the tribe of Judah was not named Kenaz and gave his name to his descendants.
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