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Author Topic: the # of people killed on 9/11 and another ????  (Read 2567 times)
themadness
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« on: September 05, 2010, 04:37:44 PM »

first i was wondering why only 2,752 died on september 11th. in buildings as large and busy as wtc, wouldnt it have been way more occupied. that number seems statisticly low for such a prominent work place. dont get me wrong, i am glad that there werent more casualities, but why wouldnt more people have been there that morning?

also, this may be dumb to point out as it may be old news and insignificant.

from wiki:

February 13, 1975 fire
On February 13, 1975, a three-alarm fire broke out on the 11th floor of the North Tower. Fire spread through the core to the 9th and 14th floors by igniting the insulation of telephone cables in a utility shaft that ran vertically between floors. Areas at the furthest extent of the fire were extinguished almost immediately and the original fire was put out in a few hours. Most of the damage was concentrated on the 11th floor, fueled by cabinets filled with paper, alcohol-based fluid for office machines, and other office equipment. Fireproofing protected the steel from melting and there was no structural damage to the tower. Other than the damage caused by the fire, a few floors below suffered water damage from the extinguishing of the fires above. At that time, the World Trade Center had no sprinkler systems.[89][90]

would no sprinkler system be a flag that the buildings were pre designed to be destroyed. how could it have passed a safety inspection with out sprinklers?
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« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2010, 02:53:46 PM »

first i was wondering why only 2,752 died on september 11th. in buildings as large and busy as wtc, wouldnt it have been way more occupied. that number seems statisticly low for such a prominent work place. dont get me wrong, i am glad that there werent more casualities, but why wouldnt more people have been there that morning?

also, this may be dumb to point out as it may be old news and insignificant.

from wiki:

February 13, 1975 fire
On February 13, 1975, a three-alarm fire broke out on the 11th floor of the North Tower. Fire spread through the core to the 9th and 14th floors by igniting the insulation of telephone cables in a utility shaft that ran vertically between floors. Areas at the furthest extent of the fire were extinguished almost immediately and the original fire was put out in a few hours. Most of the damage was concentrated on the 11th floor, fueled by cabinets filled with paper, alcohol-based fluid for office machines, and other office equipment. Fireproofing protected the steel from melting and there was no structural damage to the tower. Other than the damage caused by the fire, a few floors below suffered water damage from the extinguishing of the fires above. At that time, the World Trade Center had no sprinkler systems.[89][90]

would no sprinkler system be a flag that the buildings were pre designed to be destroyed. how could it have passed a safety inspection with out sprinklers?

Most of the people that died(other than the 343 firefighters) were on the floors above the impact zone. They couldn't go down, and they couldn't go up..the door to the roof was locked.

I'm not sure sprinkler systems were mandatory when the buildings were built, but they had them on 9-11...here is how NIST explained the sprinkler system on their FAQ page........and Jim Hoffmans response.....

8. We know that the sprinkler systems were activated because survivors reported water in the stairwells.  If the sprinklers were working, how could there be a 'raging inferno' in the WTC towers?

Both the NIST calculations and interviews with survivors and firefighters indicated that the aircraft impacts severed the water pipes that carried the water to the sprinkler systems.  The sprinklers were not operating on the principal fire floors.

However, there were ample sources of the water in the stairwells. The water pipes ran vertically within the stairwells. Moreover, there would have been copious water from the broken restroom supply lines and from the water tanks that supplied the initial water for the sprinklers. Thus, it is not surprising that evacuating occupants encountered a lot of water.

Even if the automatic sprinklers had been operational, the sprinkler systems—which were installed in accordance with the prevailing fire safety code—were designed to suppress a fire that covered as much as 1,500 square feet on a given floor. This amount of coverage is capable of controlling almost all fires that are likely to occur in an office building. On Sept. 11, 2001, the jet-fuel ignited fires quickly spread over most of the 40,000 square feet on several floors in each tower. This created infernos that could not have been suppressed even by an undamaged sprinkler system, much less one that had been appreciably degraded.

http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/nist/WTC_FAQ_reply.html#8

"It's true that the sprinkler system may have had little effect on controlling the fires. Regardless, fires in the South Tower remained limited to a few floors and one side of the building -- a fact documented by numerous photographs of the attack."
 http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/nist/WTC_FAQ_reply.html#8
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