WTC 7 INVESTIGATION UPDATE!

[jimd3100]

If I am reading this correctly perhaps Steven Jones or Richard Gage can talk to these people directly....but they need to contact them ASAP(by DEC 14)

from http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NCSTACmeetingDec18_2007.htm

The National Construction Safety Team (NCST) Advisory Committee (Committee), National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), will meet via teleconference Tuesday, December 18, 2007, from 1 p.m. to 3 p.m. The meeting will be audio webcast so that the public may listen to the meeting as it takes place.

From the announcement....The Federal Register Notice (announcing the meeting...http://wtc.nist.gov/media/FRNotice_NCSTAmeeting_Dec18_2007.pdf

The primary purpose of this meeting
is for the NCST Advisory Committee to
discuss its annual report to the Congress
and for NIST to update the Committee
on the status of the investigation of
World Trade Center 7. The meeting will
be conducted via teleconference with a
live audio webcast. The final agenda
will be posted on the NIST Web site at
http://www.nist.gov/ncst.
Individuals and representatives of
organizations who would like to offer
comments and suggestions related to
items on the Committee’s agenda for
this meeting, are invited to request a
place on the agenda. Approximately
one-half hour will be reserved for public
comments, and speaking times will be
assigned on a first-come, first-served
basis. The amount of time per speaker
will be determined by the number of
requests received, but is likely to be 5
minutes each. Questions from the public
will not be considered during this
period. Speakers who wish to expand
upon their oral statements, those who
had wished to speak but could not be
accommodated on the agenda, and those
who were unable to attend in person are
invited to submit written statements to
the National Construction Safety Team
Advisory Committee, National Institute
of Standards and Technology, 100
Bureau Drive, MS 8611, Gaithersburg,
Maryland 20899–8611, via fax at (301)
975–6122, or electronically by e-mail to
ncstac@nist.gov.
Since the meeting will be held by
teleconference, all those wishing to
speak must submit their request by
e-mail to the attention of Mr. Stephen
Cauffman, cauffman@nist.gov by 5 p.m.
EST on December 14, 2007.

[Caasi]

Wow. I wonder how this is going to turn out. Didn't the NIST report completely omit WTC7??

[sid]

Within just the last few weeks I've heard the explanation for the collapse of WTC7 from Glen Beck

He pointed out quite emphatically that it collapsed because two giant buildings fell on it.

Sounds reasonable.

[jimd3100]

NIST has just posted a new faq update on their wtc investigation

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_12_2007.htm

[Dig]

NIST has just posted a new faq update on their wtc investigation

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_12_2007.htm

wow, NIST has resorted to full and complete lying about physics.  Incredible!

[Loungin]

5.  How did NIST derive the temperatures in the WTC Towers and how valid are they?   

Using all the visual and physical evidence available, NIST conducted simulations of the fires in each of the towers from the time of airplane impact to the collapses.  The computational model used to simulate the fires was the Fire Dynamics Simulator.  This model had been validated in numerous experiments and fire recreations prior to the World Trade Center Investigation.  Additional large-scale experiments conducted during the Investigation (NIST NCSTAR 1-5) provided further assurance of the validity of the model output.  This output was in the form of maps of the air temperatures on each of the floors over the duration of the fires (shown in NIST NCSTAR 1-5F). 

In a following set of computations using the Fire Structure Interface, the evolving temperatures of the concrete and steel structural components of the towers were calculated by exposing them to the mapped air temperatures (shown in NIST NCSTAR 1-5G). 

Both sets of computations are based on the fundamental laws of combustion, heat transfer, and air flow.  The methods have been documented extensively and have been successfully subjected to technical peer review and published in professional journals.

So, the beams that were standing up out of the wreckage that had been surgically cut by explosives and had melted and rehardened steel on them is completely ignored from this question.   Instead, it is answered by only how hot the fires were.  Because, fire brought them down... for the first time in history.

[jimd3100]

The new deadline for the wtc 7 report seems to be August of 2008

http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NCSTAC_December18(Sunder).pdf

[jimd3100]

The WTC 7 Investigation update webcast has just concluded and there were 3 speakers from the public that attended and spoke. All three were representative of the truth movement. Richard Gage from http://www.ae911truth.org/ was the first to speak. The other two were attorneys I'm not quite sure of the names I believe it was Gorely and another named Leiphart?..I believe they represented 9/11 victims families, not sure of the spelling of their names. Richard Gage deserves allot of credit. He was notified of this meeting and responded by confronting this investigation head on. He laid out the evidence of controlled demolition and came on pretty strong at the end of his speech by basically accusing NIST of a cover up. As I said Gage deserves a allot of credit, by making sure 911 truth was represented and their comments were sent in to be part of the record. Way to go Richard!

[rustygunn]

The WTC 7 Investigation update webcast has just concluded and there were 3 speakers from the public that attended and spoke. All three were representative of the truth movement. Richard Gage from http://www.ae911truth.org/ was the first to speak. The other two were attorneys I'm not quite sure of the names I believe it was Gorely and another named Leiphart?..I believe they represented 9/11 victims families, not sure of the spelling of their names. Richard Gage deserves allot of credit. He was notified of this meeting and responded by confronting this investigation head on. He laid out the evidence of controlled demolition and came on pretty strong at the end of his speech by basically accusing NIST of a cover up. As I said Gage deserves a allot of credit, by making sure 911 truth was represented and their comments were sent in to be part of the record. Way to go Richard!

Thanks for the update!

[jimd3100]

This link should work

http://origin.eastbaymedia.com/~nist/asx/nist-wtc-121807.asx

What you will hear at the 18:20 mark is that they have found no evidence of blasts or controlled demolition.(how surprising) At the 19:00 mark you will hear that the initial local failure was caused by NORMAL BUILDING FIRES! They even specifically state that the fuel tanks played no role, the diesel fuel stored wasn't a cause of collapse...sorry Popular mechanics.....then at the 1:30:00 mark Richard Gage gives them all of the evidence of a controlled demolition and accuses them of conducting a cover up.

[rustygunn]

Richard Gage certainly did lay it on the line, as did the other two lawyer guests.  They have to be taken seriously since the lawyers said they concure with Mr. Gage and are representing their clients interest in this case.  It will be interesting to see where this goes from here.  Thanks for the link jimd.     

[jimd3100]

Richard Gage certainly did lay it on the line, as did the other two lawyer guests.  They have to be taken seriously since the lawyers said they concure with Mr. Gage and are representing their clients interest in this case.  It will be interesting to see where this goes from here.  Thanks for the link jimd.     

Whats incredible is at the 19:00 mark they are saying that their working hypothesis is that NORMAL BUILDING FIRES, that burned for no more than 20 minutes at one spot for the first time in history completely brought down a steel framed building. That will be difficult for ANYONE to believe. They also now have the added problem of being told to their face and having it on the record that molten metal existed at the site, contrary to what John Gross says.  They can't ignore it now.
FEMA original report talks of Sulfur and the corrosion of the steel.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/metallurgy/WTC_apndxC.htm

[rustygunn]

I could picture the look on their faces as Mr. Gage presented his facts! 

[jimd3100]

The evidence of controlled demolition has officially been entered into the record of the investigation of WTC 7 collapse. They tried to pretend it doesn't exist. But Richard Gage of www.ae911truth.org attended the last meeting with them and presented his evidence, and has now mailed it to them to be part of the record.... http://www.ae911truth.org/info/24

Jan 6, 2008   
Richard Gage's Comments to NIST Committee
— TeamTruth
 
On December 18, 2007, a NIST subcommittee was convened during which members detailed the progress of their research into the causes for WTC Building 7's "collapse" on 9/11. Richard Gage contributed to the public comments at the end of the meeting. Below is the written (slightly altered) version of those comments.


Undisputed Facts Point to the Controlled Demolition of WTC 7

Response to NIST's Invitation for Written Comments

Documentation of spoken remarks presented on December 18 conference call with the NCST Advisory Committee

Emailed to NIST on January 3, 2007

Richard Gage, AIA – Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth

I'm Richard Gage, AIA, a licensed architect of 20 years. I represent Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, a fast-growing body of more than 230 architects and engineers dedicated solely to bringing out the truth about all three high-rise building collapses on 9/11. We believe that we have answers to your questions about the puzzling collapse of World Trade Center 7.


In more than 100 steel-framed, high-rise fires (most of them very hot, very large and very long-lasting), not one has collapsed, ever. So it behooves all of us, as your own former chief of NIST's Fire Science Division, Dr. James Quintiere, said, "to look at real alternatives that might have been the cause of these collapses."

Let's start with temperatures – 1,340° F. temperatures, recorded in thermal images of the surface of the World Trade Center rubble pile a week after 9/11 by NASA's AVIRIS equipment on USGS overflights. Such temperatures cannot be achieved by oxygen-starved hydrocarbon fires. Such fires burn at only 600 to 800° F. Remember, there was no fire on the top of the pile. The source of this incredible heat was therefore below the surface of the rubble, where it must have been far hotter than 1,340 degrees.

Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition, Inc., who was hired for the Building 7 cleanup, said that "molten steel was found at 7 WTC." Leslie Robertson, World Trade Center structural engineer, stated that on October 5, "21 days after the attacks, the fires were still burning and molten steel was still running." Fire department personnel, recorded on video, reported seeing "molten steel running down the channel rails… like you're in a foundry – like lava from a volcano." Joe O'Toole, a Bronx firefighter, saw a crane lifting a steel beam vertically from deep within a pile. He said "it was dripping from the molten steel." Bart Voorsanger, an architect hired to save "relics from the rubble," stated about the multi-ton "meteorite" that it was a "fused element of molten steel and concrete."

The knowledge that this evidence even exists was denied by one of your top engineers, John Gross, in his appearance at the University of Texas in April of this year.

Steel melts at about 2,850 degrees Fahrenheit, about twice the temperature of the World Trade Center Tower 1 and 2 fires as estimated by NIST. So what melted the steel?

Appendix C of FEMA's BPAT Report (attached to this email) documents steel samples showing rapid oxidation, sulfidation, and intergranular melting. A liquid eutectic mixture, including sulfur from an unknown source, caused intense corrosion of the steel, gaping holes in wide flange beams, and the thinning of half-inch-thick flanges to almost razor-sharpness in the World Trade Center 7 steel. The New York Times called this "the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation."

NIST left all of this crucial forensic evidence out of its report. Why? Because it didn't fit in with the official conspiracy theory.

Last year, physicist Steven Jones, two other physicists, and a geologist analyzed the slag at the ends of the beams and in the samples of the previously molten metal. They found iron, aluminum, sulfur, manganese and fluorine – the chemical evidence of thermate, a high-tech incendiary cutting charge used by the military to cut through steel like a hot knife through butter. The by-product of the thermate reaction is molten iron! There's no other possible source for all the molten iron that was found. One of thermate's key ingredients is sulfur, which can form the liquid eutectic that FEMA found and lower the melting point of steel.

In addition, World Trade Center 7's catastrophic structural failure showed every characteristic of explosive, controlled demolition. You can see all these characteristics at our website www.AE911truth.org. The destruction began suddenly at the base of the building. Several first responders reported explosions occurring about a second before the collapse. There was the symmetrical, near-free-fall speed of collapse, through the path of greatest resistance – with 40,000 tons of steel designed to resist this load – straight down into its own footprint. This requires that all the columns have to fail within a fraction of a second of each other – perimeter columns as well as core columns. There was also the appearance of mistimed explosions (squibs?) at the upper seven floors on the network video recordings of the collapse. And we have expert testimony from a European demolitions expert, Danny Jowenko, who said "This is controlled demolition… a team of experts did this… This is professional work, without any doubt."

Fire cannot produce these effects. Fire produces large, gradual deformations and asymmetrical collapses. Thermate can produce all of these effects used in conjunction with linear shaped charges. If the thermate is formed into ultra-fine particles, as has been accomplished at Los Alamos National Laboratory, it is called super-thermate, and is very explosive.

The National Fire Protection Association's NFPA 921 Guide for Fire and Explosion Investigations (1998 Edition) dictates in fire investigations that certain residues should be tested for. Thermate would leave behind signs of sulfidation/corrosion by sulfur. Such residues were in fact noted in Appendix C of the FEMA BPAT report (see note 11). "If the physical evidence establishes one factor, such as the presence of an accelerant, that may be sufficient to establish the cause even where other factors such as ignition source cannot be determined." Thermate and sulfur obviously qualify as accelerants in this case (with regard to the destruction of steel which in turn could have caused the near-free-fall-speed collapse). (The fires were not particularly suspicious, but Building 7's collapse was, because of its symmetry and speed.)

Because NIST seems to have forgotten or neglected to apply key features of the scientific method, I am including as an attachment to this submission Steven E. Jones, "Revisiting 9/11/2001 -- Applying the Scientific Method", Journal of 911 Studies, April 2007, Journal of 9/11 Studies: JonesWTC911SciMethod.pdf.

How much longer must we endure NIST's cover-up of how Building 7 was actually destroyed? Millions of Americans, including the 230+ architects and engineers and 600 others of AE911Truth.org, demand that NIST come clean with a full-throttle, fully resourced and transparent forensic investigation of the evidence of the controlled demolition of Building 7.
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So.....you have this evidence or you have their "working hypothesis"....And what is their "working hypothesis?" Well, it is that NORMAL BUILDING FIRES, LASTING NO MORE THAN 20 MINUTES AT ANY PARTICULAR SPOT caused a 47 story skyscraper to completely collapse into a pile of rubble. Hear them say this at their meeting....it is at the 19:00 mark and also at the 01:01:00 mark....here.......

http://origin.eastbaymedia.com/~nist/asx/nist-wtc-121807.asx

Which explanation is more believable?

[DJ BALL]

Building 7 just won't go away for these bastards.

[jimd3100]

So 11 months before 9/11 this article comes out ....

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-28446975_ITM

Blackstone Acquires Debt On 7 World Trade Center.


Business Editors

NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Oct. 17, 2000

Blackstone Real Estate Advisors, the global real estate investment and management arm of The Blackstone Group, L.P., announced today that it has purchased, from Teachers Insurance and Annuity Association, the participating mortgage secured by 7 World Trade Center, a commercial office complex controlled by real estate developer Larry Silverstein.

Located in downtown Manhattan, 7 World Trade Center is a 47 story, Class A, office tower containing 2 million square feet of office space. The property, which is 100% occupied, houses some of Manhattan's premier companies including Salomon Smith Barney, Hartford Fire Insurance, American Express and the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.

The mortgage contains certain features which allow Blackstone, as the lender, to share in the improvement in performance of the asset over time through its maturity in 2006. Average rents in the building are currently $45 per square foot, reflecting a significant discount to current market rents. Additional terms of the transaction were not disclosed.

Steve Galiotos, a Managing Director of The Blackstone Group, said, "Rising rental rates coupled with the lack of available office space in downtown Manhattan, made 7 World Trade Center an attractive investment opportunity for Blackstone. We are pleased to be a lender to Larry Silverstein, a seasoned real estate veteran, on one of Manhattan's trophy properties." 7 World Trade Center is the second investment made by Blackstone in a Silverstein office building. In April 2000, Blackstone formed a joint venture with Larry Silverstein and Walton Street Capital to own and operate the Equitable Building at 120 Broadway in downtown Manhattan.

Larry Silverstein stated that "Blackstone has one of the most exceptional track records in real estate investment and we are pleased to have them as a primary lender to a premier New York office property. Their commitment demonstrates the strength of this market."

About Silverstein Properties, Inc.

Silverstein Properties Inc. is a Manhattan-based real estate development and investment firm that owns, manages, and has developed more than 20 million square feet of office, residential and retail space. The office space is located primarily in the financial district of downtown Manhattan and along Fifth Avenue in midtown. Current projects in development include River Place, the entire 42nd Street block between 11th and 12th Avenues, with two 40-story residential towers to contain a total of 1,800 apartments, retails and parking facilities.

About The Blackstone Group L.P.

The Blackstone Group, a private investment bank with offices in New York and London, was founded in 1985 by its Chairman, Peter G. Peterson, and its President and CEO, Stephen A. Schwarzman. Blackstone's Real Estate Group has raised three funds representing approximately $3 billion in total equity. The group has made around 100 separate investments in hotels and other commercial properties with a total transaction value of about $11 billion. In addition to real estate, The Blackstone Group's core businesses include Mergers and Acquisitions Advisory, Restructuring and Reorganization Advisory, Private Equity Investing, Private Mezzanine Investing, and Liquid Alternative Asset Investing.
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So the two guys that founded Blackstone, one of them was at this time the chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York (Peterson) http://www.iie.com/institute/peterson-bio.cfm
And the other guy (Schwarzman)attended Yale at the same time as G Bush. He also was a member of a death cult with G Bush called Skull & Bones http://www.nndb.com/org/723/000041600/

Bush and Schwarzman were even roommates at Yale http://uk.askmen.com/specials/2007_top_49/stephen-schwarzman-37.html

If these were the true owners then Larry was working for these guys. They would be the real owners of WTC 7 or is that wrong?

[Great Haku]

Whoa, nice catch! Very, very nice catch! :O

This Federal Reserve/Skull & Bones run firm linked to Bush investing in WTC 7 is very suspicious, especially considering the other government offices in Building 7. It seems like the perps were trying to get as much control over it as possible, so that they could use it as the command center for carrying out 9/11.

[jimd3100]

Whoa, nice catch! Very, very nice catch! :O

 It seems like the perps were trying to get as much control over it as possible, so that they could use it as the command center for carrying out 9/11.

I'm not completely convinced about the command center, but sure gives them access and the part about control certainly seems to apply. I'm trying to figure out, how the money works here....what this did less than a year before 9/11 was move the Teachers Insurance and Annuity Association out of the picture. This would sure make things go allot more smoothly as far as payments and money and Insurance.....for instance, evidently Lucky Larry pays someone a mortgage, and it was the Teachers Insurance fund....but before 9/11 it was bought by these characters. If something terrible happened(or suspicious, like the building falling down) the money flow would stop from Larry to his mortgage holders, until the insurance(and investigation)was done, looks like he might have a very understanding and helpfull mortgage holder for scenario like that. These guys are the real owners of 7....Larry of course is as guilty as sin...but look who is with him on this. These guys are the real owners of 7, they are big boys and have lots of power. And endless money. And made an "investment" on 7 shortly before 9/11. So the corrupt and treasonous President of the United States George Bush's old college roommate and fellow skull and bones brother along with the Chairman of The NY Fed. decide to invest in wtc 7 shorty before 9/11......wtc 7  the smoking gun indeed.

[Hetware]

Where was Heinz?

[jimd3100]

I'm sure there are reasons for the purchase of the mortgage that are not so obvious, but just looking at the obvious reasons is interesting enough. First of all you must realize who is holding the mortgage on 9/11. It might as well of been G Bush himself. Try to think of a person who could be more trustworthy than your old college roommate who also went through the same initiation into the satanic death cult that you did? Not even Laura his wife would be more trustworthy. These guys are brothers unto death, sworn to protect each other. For proof that these guys still to this day take their oath seriously just look at the performance of Bush and Kerry when asked by Russert about Skull & Bones.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY-0OMAqNqI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9hcdhUkHFc
So, if your building completely collapses in what at least looks like a controlled demolition, you might think the owners would be stunned and want some answers. The victims families were demanding that the place be a crime scene and evidence collected, but who cares? The building owner (Silverstein) isn't interested, they want the site cleaned up and a new building on site. The mortgage holder wants the same thing. If the mortgage holder(and therefor real owner)was normal and had a normal reaction, they might be even more interested than the victims families about what happened to the building. They could very well, demand an investigation and answers to what happened to their building. But no, we don't have that, what we have is a very quick disposal operation and a rebuilt building on the same site. This investment certainly helped things move along, and prevented problems.

[jimd3100]

The minutes of the Dec 14 2007 NIST wtc 7 investigation has been posted on the NIST website....

http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NCSTACmeetingDec18_2007.htm

The comments and submissions of R Gage of http://www.ae911truth.org/ along with another attorney are also there. And is worth reading. Gage has included the original FEMA report in his submissions and a paper by Prof S Jones as well. This is tremendous progress for the truth movement as the case for controlled demolition is now officially on the record during this investigation. This is a huge development and thanks to the work of http://www.ae911truth.org/ ignoring the evidence for controlled demolition is now impossible.

[jimd3100]

So maybe this is completely innocent and means nothing. But just a little background info on the company hired by NIST to conduct the collapse theory of Building 7......

Under GSA Contract number GS23F0278M, NIST Order No. SB1341-06-8-0539, as a firm fixed price effort, has been awarded to APPLIED RESEARCH ASSOCIATES, INC. (ARA) of Albuquerque, New Mexico, to append the following tasks to the original contract awarded on March 31, 2006. Under the appended tasks, the ARA (1) shall conduct analyses of impact damage and fire effects to provide candidate initiating events which may lead to structural failures and global collapse, and (2) shall determine if there is any scenario of a hypothetical blast event or events that could have occurred in WTC 7 on September 11, 2001....
From: http://wtc.nist.gov/solicitations/wtc_award0539.htm

Most of the contracts this company gets are from the government. Army, Navy, Air Force, DoD.....check it out yourself. In other words....if it were not for the Military Industrial Complex they wouldn't exist.
http://www.ara.com/about/contracts.htm

A little more on the company and their latest contracts...Applied Research Associates, Inc. provides develops technology solutions in the areas of national defense and aerospace, homeland safety .......

The U.S. Air Force has awarded a $30,704 contract to Applied Research Associates Inc....

The U.S. Navy has awarded a contract valued at up to $24.7 million to Applied Research Associates Inc....

Applied Research is the manufacturer of the Nighthawk micro UAS, initial quantities of which are currently deployed in combat operations.....
From: http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=753698

They also are a support company for "Intelligence" communities...ARA supports the intelligence community with analysis, target models, and tools.
from: http://www.ara.com/capabilities/c_information_and_intelligence.htm

The co founder of this company is Cornelius Higgins.
Source: http://www.bizjournals.com/albuquerque/gen/company.html?gcode=CEA3907657B3444E8F277287FB5456E6

Although the company is based in New Mexico he lives in Alexandria VA. His favorite politicians are G Bush and Rudy Giuliani.

Source: http://fundrace.huffingtonpost.com/neighbors.php?type=name&lname=Higgins&fname=Cornelius

This is who is going to find out if WTC 7 came down in a controlled demolition. Think they have anything to lose?
 

[rustygunn]

Thanks for that info Jim.  Independent investigation...I think not.

[RonPaulRocks]

Everyone Digg up Jesse Ventura today.

http://digg.com/politics/Former_Governor_Jesse_Ventura_WTC_Collapse_Controlled_Demo

[Tess]

So.....you have this evidence or you have their "working hypothesis"....And what is their "working hypothesis?" Well, it is that NORMAL BUILDING FIRES, LASTING NO MORE THAN 20 MINUTES AT ANY PARTICULAR SPOT caused a 47 story skyscraper to completely collapse into a pile of rubble. Hear them say this at their meeting....it is at the 19:00 mark and also at the 01:01:00 mark....here.......

For WTC7 to fall the way it did, those scattered fires would have to have melted the bases of all the steel columns (was it 81 of them?) and caused them to fail at the exact same instant. You couldn't do that even if you'd built fires around each column and then carefully monitored and controlled the temperature.

[markshark4]

CNN Footage of emergency workers saying that Building 7 is about to BLOW UP:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=cU_43SwWD9A





9/11 First Responder Heard WTC 7 Demolition COUNTDOWN:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2007/130907_demolition_countdown.htm

[smokecheck]

 Here's a film I edited. most have seen the clips, however, It's a nice compilation of wtc-7 evidence in one place.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2147329422984355159&q=never+hit+by+a+plane&ei=OT4KSMrSFIqUrgLV4cS4BA&hl=en

A documentary filled with facts, evidence, video clips, news clips, pictures, music, witness and expert testimony on the events of 9/11 pertaining to WTC-7, also known as The Solomon Brothers Building

 Of course Google has reset the views  at least a few times since it has been posted.

 One other thing to note, the very first scene shows Matthys Levy saying on discovery channel that the towers were a controlled demolition. If you watched that hit piece about 9/11 which aired on the history channel, he says it wasn't controlled demolition. I made note of this to many, and no one brought light to it.
 Obviously important, because it discredits the so-called expert analysis  of Levy.

[markshark4]

I'm a little confused about WTC 7.

According to Wikipedia, it had a 10 story gash, NOT a 20 story gash.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center





I can see some damage here:










But here the SW corner looks fine:








ALL the pics look mild compared to WTC 3 though!!!





http://www.rense.com/general65/911m.htm

[agentbluescreen]

Of course Google has reset the views  at least a few times since it has been posted.

 One other thing to note, the very first scene shows Matthys Levy saying on discovery channel that the towers were a controlled demolition. If you watched that hit piece about 9/11 which aired on the history channel, he says it wasn't controlled demolition. I made note of this to many, and no one brought light to it.
 Obviously important, because it discredits the so-called expert analysis  of Levy.

Indeed the Rothschild/Bilderberg MI6/CIA Mafia got to Levy and forced him (despite his preeminent standing as a scientific authority, more likely to just preserve his business and position)  to later issue a belated, lame, nonsensical, obviously coached  excusnik half-denial of his earlier honest and candid professional scientific observations!  His original logical and well founded contention that the ludicrous theory speculating that these meticulously organized, well planned and perfectly engineered "staged-attack" urban renewal explosive building demolitions ever might or ever could have been blamed on some sort of an accidental "triple-header" coincidence of some sort of a completely impossible, unique and unprecedented gross structural building failure due to some queerly improbable, unexplainable case of an overlooked coincidence of structural engineering design malpractice is the only acceptable professional explanation that suits the obvious pattern of these crimes!

Fire does not melt steel, these buildings were bombed, there is no other explanation and there can be no other conclusion!

The propaganda mechanisms that maintain and underpin an "acceptable popular falsehood" necessary to promote any BIG LIE are schemes targeted towards flooding the information market with as many as possible staged, dishonest and phony "liturgical celebrations" among the pious, so that then their media twinkie excusenik preisthoods can parrot "But all the many, many hearings and inquests have shown..." the rank putrid stinking mountain of murderous, malicious, premeditated, bloodthirsty, criminal CIA/Pentagon-Mafia bullshit "...is the -uh- sad truth! (wink wink)".

Conservative Tory Anglican-Socialist Rothschild Nazi's have been remarkably adept and successful at these techniques, which Hitler, Mussolini and Goebbels so admired for centuries....

What is haunting the entire technically advanced civilized world now is the incredibly broad and all-pervasive critical crisis of infrastructure within professional and regulatory engineering standards, insurance risk assessment standards, public safety standards and commercial investment confidence standards that THEIR massively destabilizing and destructive engineering lies and paid public perjuries have unavoidably led the entire architectural, engineering, construction, funding, bonding, insurance, regulatory standards and public and private inspections industries into!!

 These lies will destabilize the entire commercial and institutional real estate, industrial safety and financial risk surety underpinnings of the economies of the whole civilized modern world if left to fester unchallenged! In NYC the most ridiculous and astoundingly cruel joke is that they went right back to the same architects and engineers who supposedly killed 3,000 people (according to the Bush-CIA-Popular Science mob's Conspiracy of Ignorance Theory) for a second chance to do so again with this new "Freedom* Tower"

To erect the foolish excuses that core, critical, key, multi million dollar commercial real estate investment and business infrastructure assets like these modern office towers are so unstable, weak, flimsy and unreliable that they "just fall down, so what?" and then thus imply that "this acceptable new fact" is "no big deal" is a critical error!  These moronic and ill informed notions are bitter poison pills that the idiotic authors of this lie overlooked that simply will not and can not be left standing.

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[agentbluescreen]

For WTC7 to fall the way it did, those scattered fires would have to have melted the bases of all the steel columns (was it 81 of them?) and caused them to fail at the exact same instant. You couldn't do that even if you'd built fires around each column and then carefully monitored and controlled the temperature.

In fact, in order to blow WTC Towers 1 & 2 as they clearly did, even with at least 30 to 40 floors of demolition charges carefully detonated in sequence there was one other BIG and VERY Important tell-tale engineering issue that had yet to be overcome!

36-38 simultaneous floor wide detonations in a 7 second logarithmic, descending every second-floor on down progression is what the squib visuals and clearly audible tell-tale "boom" sequence of captured bass audio explosive percussions, prior to the massive and distinctively different sounding first major massive 'collapse-typical' steel-landing impact "klang" sound evidence shows, and that is completely proved and undeniably conclusive in the Discovery Channel WTC2 collapse video, captured a block away by their "traffic control fireman" interviewer's tape.

You see, with such sets of "every core beam-cutting" Thermate/RDX explosives wired and in place, all (80 at once) detonating simultaneously across whole core-wide horizontal elevations, and then vertically, having these bombings sequentially descending downwards into the undamaged sealed lower floors of the structure, it has now been established that there was indeed yet another rather odd and special but most serious and critical, demolition engineering problem for these murderous traitors! When you demolish a derelict abandoned structure with such technology you always have either no windows or doors left and plenty of ventilation or you have to use many more outwardly obvious smaller peripheral bombs detonated first to get rid of those ventilation problems and thus any sort of a explosive combustion choking or chemical reaction-feeding combustion air ventilation problem!

There simply would not be enough air to simultaneously co-fuel that many explosively triggered steel melting chemical reactions at once even within the confines of even that large of a structurally confined space, since normal air is only 30% Oxygen!! Without enough oxygen remaining and available to feed so huge  and widespread the number of instant blast furnace processes they needed to orchestrate, the small triggering explosives own oxygen consumptions alone would rapidly eat up so much ever lowering and scarcer oxygen resources in this confined spaces ever growing carbon monoxide combustion 'pseudo vacuum' in such a short time the lower charges would have insufficient ready oxygen left to feed them thus just fizzle or more likely hardly even go off!

The traitors needed control of the tower's ventilation systems to inject a massive dose of pure oxygen into each (if not all) of the  completely separate sealed-off Sky Lobby blocked tubes and each shaft zones own firewall isolated elevator shaft cores (in fact 6, they were even further vent subdivided vertically) and would have no chance to get back in later to dismantle, bury or conceal that unmistakable sort of damningly obvious sabotaged plumbing evidence afterwards! The only solution to this mandatory and critical demolition problem must and could only have been set up in the complexes new mechanical ventilation facilities, which were all now located in an integral lower floor annex of the newer WTC 7 - thus it HAD TO BE BLOWN and for only one very obvious. most damning specific reason, obvious motive and transparently clear purpose!

...this was a huge plot with many advanced engineering specifications and installation requirements, bombs alone couldn't melt that much steel that fast either! Anyone who believes the putrid and malicious recycling bundle ink stains manufactured by the corrupt, criminal 9-11 Omission traitors to excuse themselves and further promulgate this obscene mass deception is at the very least both a patent fool and a complete idiot, if indeed not more deeply involved or complicit!

[markshark4]

Obvious Controlled Demolition and a professional one at that.

Look how close wtc7's rubble pile is to the other building, mostly, look how 50 stories turns to 2.












Do those massive core beams look explosively severed or what?

[markshark4]

14 Structural Engineers Now Publicly Challenge Government's Explanation for Destruction of the World Trade Center

http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2008/04/14-structural-engineers-have-now.html

[jimd3100]

While we're waiting for NISTs wtc 7 report, I think everyone should be aware that the movement has been doing it's own investigation and are attempting to work together with the NIST investigation.

To Sum up the Movements Investigation:
While we were breaking fund raising records for Ron Paul during the "Boston Tea Party" Richard Gage of www.ae911truth.org presented our case to the NIST team itself to be entered into the investigation,...one thing he said was this...
   Appendix C of FEMA's BPAT Report (attached to this email) documents steel samples showing rapid oxidation, sulfidation, and intergranular melting. A liquid eutectic mixture, including sulfur from an unknown source, caused intense corrosion of the steel, gaping holes in wide flange beams, and the thinning of half-inch-thick flanges to almost razor-sharpness in the World Trade Center 7 steel. The New York Times called this "the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation."
This is the FEMA BPAT report he refers to, and quotes from. Folks, this document looks like it supports thermite could be at  the WTC. It doesn't name it, but seems to describe it.
http://wtc.nist.gov/media/AppendixC-fema403_apc.pdf

Then he says....
             NIST left all of this crucial forensic evidence out of its report. Why?
Now it's in the investigation!

While we were making history with Ron Paul, and Richard Gage was forcing the Government to acknowledge it's own findings, Prof Steven Jones on Dec 15 2007 was giving this presentation in Boston.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1957490867030316250&hl=en

Now that's a team effort!

This presentation by S Jones is a must see! By far the most informative, and interesting presentation he has ever made. In this presentation he reports that he has found thermite evidence in the dust of the WTC, and is inviting other scientists to confirm his results!

And for those that wonder about the validity of the samples he tests from there is a part where he introduces two people who no doubt will be willing to go to court. They tell the story of just 1 sample collected.

This is a very strong case. NIST is going to have to say something about what Jones is presenting.

[pac522]

Thanks for this update. Always good to see forward progress.

[jimd3100]

I urge anyone who has not seen this video yet to check it out. Prof Jones could possibly have a scientifically proven smoking gun.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1957490867030316250&hl=en

Folks, it is very clear to me that NIST is going to have no choice but to respond to what Prof Jones is presenting. It's just a matter of time, I asked him if this has been done yet and a few other things, he has granted me permission to share this in the forum.......

  I have written to NIST and have sent them a copy of this peer-reviewed paper, requesting a meeting -- no response from them yet.  But I hope to hear from the "white hats" at NIST, requesting to see and review what our experiments have shown.  Yes, I would focus on the red/gray chips and iron-aluminum-rich microspheres found in the WTC dust.  These tell us a great deal about what happened, and the research truly is compelling.  Two papers currently being written on the subject by our research team.  My hope is that NIST will talk to us before we publish these papers...  which I hope will be soon.  This would be the best way, I think.  But we will not let NIST hold back our own investigation, you see.

 -- perhaps I can visit your forum, but time is so limited and I wish to devote what I can to research and writing.

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Prof Jones and the others at http://stj911.org/index.html are attempting to take "the high road in getting the truth out." Meaning they are wanting to work with NIST, not be confrontational with them, and are doing scientific work to get to the truth.

This site has contributions from some top notch scientific 9/11 researchers. If you are interested in 911 truth, I don't see how you can not make this a must see site.
http://stj911.org/index.html

[markshark4]

That is great news!!!

Are Richard Gage & Steven Jones working together?


Can you believe some dumbass at ATS said the red chips were just paint coming off the steel?!?!!?!

[jimd3100]

That is great news!!!

The potential here is huge

Are Richard Gage & Steven Jones working together?

I believe they are, and other scientists as well.

Can you believe some dumbass at ATS said the red chips were just paint coming off the steel?!?!!?!

S. Jones is not a flake he is the real deal, which is why he left the organization he had with fetzer when fetzer started in with the enegy space beam no plane BS, when he and most of the others left and created their own website/organization J. Hoffman joined them as well, they don't go for the No Plane -Missile at the pentagon- space beam BS. These guys are the ones to pay attention to.

[markshark4]

Here is a short excerpt from Steven Jones Conference on Red Chips that I found on Youtube:

Boston - 12/15/07

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vVE_FdT6DN4


What I found especially intriguing, is that one of the samples (#4) was collected from the North Tower only twenty minutes after it collapsed!

This completely DESTROYS the debunkers argument that all thermite found was from the clean up operation!










PS I don't think I've ever even heard Steven Jones talk about the pentagon.  Or Richard Gage for that matter.  One of the things l liked about the movie 9/11 Revisited is that they just focused on the Twin Towers & Building 7.  There was a lot less speculation.

http://911revisited.com/

^^^ That's a great one!  It includes lectures by Steven Jones, Richard Gage, Jeff King from MIT, & David Ray Griffin!

[jimd3100]

PS I don't think I've ever even heard Steven Jones talk about the pentagon.  Or Richard Gage for that matter.

 
They don't but Hoffman does, he is the creator of  http://www.wtc7.net/

and member of http://stj911.org/

[markshark4]

What does Hoffman think about this picture?



I ask because the History Channel claims this column was cut days after 9/11 with an oxy-acetylene torch during the clean up effort.

Is there any way to prove WHEN this picture was taken?

By a time stamp, or by the person who took the picture?

This is a very important issue because obviously that column was cut.