Watch out for more propaganda targeting specific religions

[lamourlady]

This is a video that points out three things about Islam and the Quran some might not know, but most here may already know.  I personally, did not know some of it.  So, I put it out there for any interested.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib9rofXQl6w

[Dok]

what are they? cant watch vid.

[lamourlady]

I wish it were that simple, Dok.  I'll see what I can do!  The video is a very powerpointed melee, really, but I'll pull what I can.

[Satyagraha]

This is a video that points out three things about Islam and the Quran some might not know, but most here may already know.  I personally, did not know some of it.  So, I put it out there for any interested.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib9rofXQl6w

And you bought this hook, line, and sinker, yes?
Did you consider that this anti-muslim propaganda is very 'selective' in it's interpretation?
Did you consider WHO might have produced this fear-mongering little presentation?
Have you read about Islam beyond this youtube?
I suggest you investigate who produced this video, who funded it. You'll find the same group (I suspect) that is funding the ground zero mosque... including the faux imam.

Hatred is everywhere - and the fear-mongering about Muslims is at an all-time high.

[lamourlady]

And you bought this hook, line, and sinker, yes?
Did you consider that this anti-muslim propaganda is very 'selective' in it's interpretation?
Did you consider WHO might have produced this fear-mongering little presentation?
Have you read about Islam beyond this youtube?
I suggest you investigate who produced this video, who funded it. You'll find the same group (I suspect) that is funding the ground zero mosque... including the faux imam.

Hatred is everywhere - and the fear-mongering about Muslims is at an all-time high.

Fear-mongering is everywhere and about everyone.  Should I ignore the fear-mongering against sovereign citizens?  Christians?  Constitutionalist?

Why is it so taboo to investigate the fear-mongering against Islam?

It is up to us to dissect every perception out there.  I feel the 3 points are legitimate and ones we should be aware of.  Is not Sharia Law 'creeping' within the countries of the world?  Should it not be known?  Is it not already felt in Europe?

No, I put it out there to garner response, as you have.  And agreed, it is not the whole story, but the video does not claim to present the whole story, but 3 points, the 3 that should be known by all.  Are those 3 points lies?  There is no reason to not educate oneself on what the fear-mongering is all about, just as the video suggests...reading the Quran oneself and further educating one's self.

It takes its points directly from the Quran so why should I doubt that?

And yes, I am trying to educate myself.  I thought the information on Sharia Law the most interesting.

Please, get off attack mode already.  This site promotes the freedoms of all investigation, no?  I'm not going to tippy-toe around this one when I get nailed for my own beliefs right here on this site!!!!!

[Satyagraha]

Fear-mongering is everywhere and about everyone.  Should I ignore the fear-mongering against sovereign citizens?  Christians?  Constitutionalist?

Why is it so taboo to investigate the fear-mongering against Islam?

It is up to us to dissect every perception out there.  I feel the 3 points are legitimate and ones we should be aware of.  Is not Sharia Law 'creeping' within the countries of the world?  Should it not be known?  Is it not already felt in Europe?

No, I put it out there to garner response, as you have.  And agreed, it is not the whole story, but the video does not claim to present the whole story, but 3 points, the 3 that should be known by all.  Are those 3 points lies?  There is no reason to not educate oneself on what the fear-mongering is all about, just as the video suggests...reading the Quran oneself and further educating one's self.

It takes its points directly from the Quran so why should I doubt that?

And yes, I am trying to educate myself.  I thought the information on Sharia Law the most interesting.

Please, get off attack mode already.  This site promotes the freedoms of all investigation, no?  I'm not going to tippy-toe around this one when I get nailed for my own beliefs right here on this site!!!!!

You posted a blatant propagandist video without comment. You say "Why is it so taboo to investigate the fear-mongering against Islam?" - but you failed to mention that you were in fact trying to "investigate" the fear-mongering against islam.

Big oversight, imo. The net result is that your post SPREADS fear-mongering against islam. That is what I commented about: you seemed to have an agenda to spread fear about 'creeping sharia'. Are you saying this was not your intent?

[Dok]

Are you saying we shouldnt worry about sharia?

[lamourlady]

You posted a blatant propagandist video without comment. You say "Why is it so taboo to investigate the fear-mongering against Islam?" - but you failed to mention that you were in fact trying to "investigate" the fear-mongering against islam.

Big oversight, imo. The net result is that your post SPREADS fear-mongering against islam. That is what I commented about: you seemed to have an agenda to spread fear about 'creeping sharia'. Are you saying this was not your intent?

No, I wasn't investigating 'fear-mongering', that is what you called it, and so I used your word.  I just came upon the video and thought it had some valid points.  I didn't hype the title, "OMG...3 points proving Islam sucks!!!!" or anything of that nature.  I simply posted a video with its original title hoping to get opinions.

YOU are the one who came charging in that I am fear-mongering and accusing me.  And I did post a comment in my op.  

This is a video that points out three things about Islam and the Quran some might not know, but most here may already know.  I personally, did not know some of it.  So, I put it out there for any interested.

[Satyagraha]

Are you saying we shouldnt worry about sharia?

Yes, I'm saying "creeping sharia" is an invention of the NWO. It's bullshit, and the OP failed to mention that the post was propaganda of the fear-mongering variety. I don't take issue with the 'discussion' but the post was made as a point of enlightenment to all... and when you watch the video you will find it enlightenment is skewed to fear. Hello? If I posted a video "Three things you don't know about Christianity" and a video with blatantly anti-Christian messages based on the bible, and failed to point out that it was a skewed propagandist anti-Christian video, wouldn't you take issue with that?

The video was posted with this comment:

"This is a video that points out three things about Islam and the Quran some might not know, but most here may already know.  I personally, did not know some of it.  So, I put it out there for any interested."

Innocuous little comment yes? With a hateful little video.. something doesn't 'fit' here. The OP is disingenuous at best.
If you wanted to make the CFR, Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg and the queens happy, you would post that bullshit video.

[Dok]

Yes, I'm saying "creeping sharia" is an invention of the NWO. It's bullshit, and the OP failed to mention that the post was propaganda of the fear-mongering variety. I don't take issue with the 'discussion' but the post was made as a point of enlightenment to all... and when you watch the video you will find it enlightenment is skewed to fear. Hello? If I posted a video "Three things you don't know about Christianity" and a video with blatantly anti-Christian messages based on the bible, and failed to point out that it was a skewed propagandist anti-Christian video, wouldn't you take issue with that?

Really? Is that why its being used even here in America over our normal laws? Sharia has nothing to do with American laws yet we have courts already using it in place of our common laws. Thats not right and really don't have anything to do NWO politics, its the natural progression of migration.

We have a lot of Muslims move into an area, eventually they vote in the leaders of their community, than they are able to change the laws of that area. This has already happened and has been going on for a long long time. This isn't new. Its just that people are finally realising this. Would you want to be under sharia law? this is something that should be watched, we don't have say Hindu religious laws or Shinto laws, so why should we have sharia?

[Satyagraha]

No, I wasn't investigating 'fear-mongering', that is what you called it, and so I used your word.  I just came upon the video and thought it had some valid points.  I didn't hype the title, "OMG...3 points proving Islam sucks!!!!" or anything of that nature.  I simply posted a video with its original title hoping to get opinions.

YOU are the one who came charging in that I am fear-mongering and accusing me.  And I did post a comment in my op.  

Your failure to post a comment indicating you knew this was propaganda is the 'without comment' I was referring to. I DID see you posted this as an educational video... something about which we can all comment. Well I commented. Did you plan on answering my questions?

To reiterate:

Did you consider that this anti-muslim propaganda is very 'selective' in it's interpretation?
Did you consider WHO might have produced this fear-mongering little presentation?
Have you read about Islam beyond this youtube?

And I'll add one more...

Do you believe a bunch of guys in a cave plotted to make NORAD stand down on 911 so they could fly planes into buildings?
Because that would explain your need to promote an anti-muslim propagandist video.

[Satyagraha]

Really? Is that why its being used even here in America over our normal laws? Sharia has nothing to do with American laws yet we have courts already using it in place of our common laws. Thats not right and really don't have anything to do NWO politics, its the natural progression of migration.

We have a lot of Muslims move into an area, eventually they vote in the leaders of their community, than they are able to change the laws of that area. This has already happened and has been going on for a long long time. This isn't new. Its just that people are finally realising this. Would you want to be under sharia law? this is something that should be watched, we don't have say Hindu religious laws or Shinto laws, so why should we have sharia?

Dok, did you see the video? (Your comment above indicates you did not yet see it.)

[Dok]

Dok, did you see the video? (Your comment above indicates you did not yet see it.)

not yet, as soon as i get home though i will.

[lamourlady]

Yes, I'm saying "creeping sharia" is an invention of the NWO. It's bullshit, and the OP failed to mention that the post was propaganda of the fear-mongering variety. I don't take issue with the 'discussion' but the post was made as a point of enlightenment to all... and when you watch the video you will find it enlightenment is skewed to fear. Hello? If I posted a video "Three things you don't know about Christianity" and a video with blatantly anti-Christian messages based on the bible, and failed to point out that it was a skewed propagandist anti-Christian video, wouldn't you take issue with that?

The video was posted with this comment:

Innocuous little comment yes? With a hateful little video.. something doesn't 'fit' here. The OP is disingenuous at best.
If you wanted to make the CFR, Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg and the queens happy, you would post that bullshit video.

I didn't find the video hateful at all.  It was informing and I wouldn't have defined it as fear-mongering.  Nothing it states is a lie it isn't Anti anything if it is putting out facts of their present laws and belief systems.  The information presented is out of the Quran itself and within the context of what it means.  The fact is that, just as the Bible does state some horrible things, which I would never deny...so does the Quran and their belief system.  I am not placing a double-standard here at all, but Christians aren't really practicing the horrid things that the Bible states happened thousands of years ago...the Quran however does and still does today.  It is in plain black and white everywhere, whether being used as propaganda or not...the propaganda is based on their own facts of law and belief system.  Do they not dig holes and place adulterers in them and stone them to death?  Yes, they do.  Do they cut off the hands of theives?  Yes, they do.  They just don't want the whole world to see it.  And if anyone does publish these things it's propaganda and fear-mongering and anti whatever.  Yet, we can talk about any other atrocity that some other nation does?  Why is this?  Why not Islam?  

I honestly feel that it is something we should all be aware of and in some ways fear, but not an out and out fear, but one of being watchful and following carefully.  Btw, I posted this in the 'religious texts" forums.

[Satyagraha]

not yet, as soon as i get home though i will.

One thing I want to say about countries under 'sharia' law. Several years ago, I took an arabic class taught by an imam originally from Lebanon, who said, "Right now, there are NO "Islamic" countries; no countries run under sharia law. The countries that claim to be governed under sharia law are corrupt."  And I did the research and found that his statement was indeed true. They are all corrupt; greed & power are the same no matter what religion you practice; the sociopaths always manage to climb to the top by stepping on other people's heads.

So there are NO countries that follow sharia law.  Why?

Because, like our own, they have been corrupted by the NWO. Example: Saudi Arabia is ruled under 'sharia law' - oh really? And the rulers head off to Monaco for wine, women and gambling... while they oppress their people at home with wahabi bullshit - do you recognize the NWO here? Because this is the plan to destroy all religions, all cultures, all boundaries. The only 'law' that will stand anymore is NWO law -globalists tyranny dressed up as <pick a religion> law, or secular 'law' (see recent supreme court decisions), and put out there as 'legal'.

Meanwhile the demonization of muslims continues. We're about to go to war with Iran - they need to stoke the fires of hatred against muslims so that the American people will sit and home and watch TV while we begin the genocide in Iran. That's what pisses me off about propaganda; it serves the machine.
And I don't think lamourlady is a propagandist; but her failure to identify the video as propaganda shows that we are all susceptible to the machinations of the propaganda machine... especially when they work so hard to push it out into our consciousness as a 'threat'.

The attacks on the muslim community, led by false leaders like imam Rauf of the 'ground zero mosque', indicate that muslims are the new 'germ-plasm' that the eugenicists were so intent on destroying back at the turn of the century. They are certainly a convenient target - billions poured into demonizing and murdering them in this modern-day holocaust.

And we are all on the list of 'germ-plasm' targets.  These people don't follow any 'law' but what their own tyranny requires.

[Dok]

One thing I want to say about countries under 'sharia' law. Several years ago, I took an arabic class taught by an imam originally from Lebanon, who said, "Right now, there are NO "Islamic" countries; no countries run under sharia law. The countries that claim to be governed under sharia law are corrupt."  And I did the research and found that his statement was indeed true. They are all corrupt; greed & power are the same no matter what religion you practice; the sociopaths always manage to climb to the top by stepping on other people's heads.

So there are NO countries that follow sharia law.  Why?

Because, like our own, they have been corrupted by the NWO. Example: Saudi Arabia is ruled under 'sharia law' - oh really? And the rulers head off to Monaco for wine, women and gambling... while they oppress their people at home with wahabi bullshit - do you recognize the NWO here? Because this is the plan to destroy all religions, all cultures, all boundaries. The only 'law' that will stand anymore is NWO law -globalists tyranny dressed up as <pick a religion> law, or secular 'law' (see recent supreme court decisions), and put out there as 'legal'.

Meanwhile the demonization of muslims continues. We're about to go to war with Iran - they need to stoke the fires of hatred against muslims so that the American people will sit and home and watch TV while we begin the genocide in Iran. That's what pisses me off about propaganda; it serves the machine.
And I don't think lamourlady is a propagandist; but her failure to identify the video as propaganda shows that we are all susceptible to the machinations of the propaganda machine... especially when they work so hard to push it out into our consciousness as a 'threat'.

The attacks on the muslim community, led by false leaders like imam Rauf of the 'ground zero mosque', indicate that muslims are the new 'germ-plasm' that the eugenicists were so intent on destroying back at the turn of the century. They are certainly a convenient target - billions poured into demonizing and murdering them in this modern-day holocaust.

And we are all on the list of 'germ-plasm' targets.  These people don't follow any 'law' but what their own tyranny requires.

your so right,

Judge calls for Sharia law to cut spinal cord
http://news.scotsman.com/news/Judge-calls-for-Sharia-law.6487672.jp

[Dig]

Three Things About Gullible Forum Members Who Believe the Zionazi Bullshit

1] They post videos that need to "make the point" rather than just explaining things in a post.

2] When called on the bullshit, they defend it as if there was no such thing as Tavistock propaganda.

3] Some people seem to forget George Washington's command to that piece of dog shit Benedict Arnold:

As the contempt of the religion of a country by ridiculing any of its ceremonies, or affronting its ministers or votaries, has ever been deeply resented, you are to be particularly careful to restrain every officer from such imprudence and folly, and to punish every instance of it.

On the other hand, as far as lies in your power, you are to protect and support the free exercise of religion of the country, and the undisturbed enjoyment of the rights of conscience in religious matters, with your utmost influence and authority.

[George Washington, to Benedict Arnold, September 14, 1775 from The Washington papers edited by Saul Padover]

[Dig]

your so right,

Judge calls for Sharia law to cut spinal cord
http://news.scotsman.com/news/Judge-calls-for-Sharia-law.6487672.jp

You are so full of Tavistock mind control it is coming out of your ears. Saudi Arabian anti-justice system is a BILDERBERG/CFR entity. If you really are upset about this ruling talk to David Rockefeller rather than doing what they want which is blaming an entire religion.

It is like saying that America having the highest rate of incarceration in the world is because of the Constitution rather than the Queen Bitches of the East and West India Trading Companies.

Derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[lamourlady]

Fine, Islam is gooood and can do no wrong.  We can't speak about them in any way, shape or form, but we can belittle, judge and count the atrocities of other nations ad nauseum.

I get it.

[Dig]

Fine, Islam is gooood and can do no wrong.  We can't speak about them in any way, shape or form, but we can belittle, judge and count the atrocities of other nations ad nauseum.

I get it.

Dude/Dudette, WTF are you talking about? Islam is a 1 billion person religion. We often expose the elite psychos who commit crimes against humanity in Israel, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Mexico, etc.

But it is the controlling forces along with a failed state. Please stop peddling bullshit all or nothing FOX News talking points of "If you do not say islam is the devil then you are Al-Qaeda" crap on this forum. WTF?

[lamourlady]

Dude/Dudette, WTF are you talking about? Islam is a 1 billion person religion. We often expose the elite psychos who commit crimes against humanity in Israel, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Mexico, etc.

But it is the controlling forces along with a failed state. Please stop peddling bullshit all or nothing FOX News talking points of "If you do not say islam is the devil then you are Al-Qaeda" crap on this forum. WTF?

You are the one calling me a Zionazi just because I was trying to inform myself about their religion through the Quaran texts and because I used a video, which I thought was informing.  I'm now a propagandist and I'm gullible and a Zionist and I'm sure you could think of a zillion others things to call me.

You're the one using the talking points not I.  FFS, just delete the thing if it is so offensive.  I can sit here and be called every name in the book because I'm Christian, but Ohhhhh talk about the Quran and you're a freaking Zionist and evil propagandist.

It's under the religious texts forum and was not intended to hype or be propaganda people!!!!!  Is not the religious text forum to allow discussion on the religious text of any religion?  Geesh!

You guys are the ones making this something I never intended it to be.  I could see it being propaganda if I had posted it in the general discussion area.

[Dig]

You are the one calling me a Zionazi just because I was trying to inform myself about their religion through the Quaran texts and because I used a video, which I thought was informing.  I'm now a propagandist and I'm gullible and a Zionist and I'm sure you could think of a zillion others things to call me.

You're the one using the talking points not I.  FFS, just delete the thing if it is so offensive.  I can sit here and be called every name in the book because I'm Christian, but Ohhhhh talk about the Quran and you're a freaking Zionist and evil propagandist.

It's under the religious texts forum and was not intended to hype or be propaganda people!!!!!  Is not the religious text forum to allow discussion on the religious text of any religion?  Geesh!

You guys are the ones making this something I never intended it to be.  I could see it being propaganda if I had posted it in the general discussion area.

No one is calling you a zionazi. I am saying you are gullible if you believe the zionazi BS. and who the hell is calling you every name in the book if you are christian?

you do realize that the three top monotheistic religions are all pretty much based on the identical principals right? But that hardly matters...jews fight against jews based on differences in beliefs and so do arabs and christians. It is the pharaohs who need to keep the slaves from coming together by having them attack each others' religions, races, nationalities.

[lamourlady]

Dig, I understand the fears of releasing crap on the forum.  This was not my intention at all.  If the video is considered propaganda then I was unaware of this and so couldn't have introduced it as such.

Although, P was harsh, I did like his last post there because he then at least tried to explain himself.  That was much more respectful and informative than just calling me a propagandist.

I had hoped that my posts have shown that I am truly trying to learn here and that I respect the hell out of you seasoned posters, but I can't sit and be accused of something I never intended.

Just delete the whole thing...it matters to me no longer.

If you do have anything informative to add to educate along the lines of this thread, please do so, then it won't feel as though it has all been in vain.

[Optimus]

I didn't find the video hateful at all.  It was informing and I wouldn't have defined it as fear-mongering.  Nothing it states is a lie it isn't Anti anything if it is putting out facts of their present laws and belief systems.  The information presented is out of the Quran itself and within the context of what it means.  The fact is that, just as the Bible does state some horrible things, which I would never deny...so does the Quran and their belief system.  I am not placing a double-standard here at all, but Christians aren't really practicing the horrid things that the Bible states happened thousands of years ago...the Quran however does and still does today.  It is in plain black and white everywhere, whether being used as propaganda or not...the propaganda is based on their own facts of law and belief system.  Do they not dig holes and place adulterers in them and stone them to death?  Yes, they do.  Do they cut off the hands of theives?  Yes, they do.  They just don't want the whole world to see it.  And if anyone does publish these things it's propaganda and fear-mongering and anti whatever.  Yet, we can talk about any other atrocity that some other nation does?  Why is this?  Why not Islam?  

I honestly feel that it is something we should all be aware of and in some ways fear, but not an out and out fear, but one of being watchful and following carefully.  Btw, I posted this in the 'religious texts" forums.

That video is nothing but propaganda talking points to cause division and make people hate Islam. Most muslims are peaceful, but the video tries to portray all muslims as violent and want the world under sharia law. It is hate mongering. To believe it is no different than believing muslims hijacked planes on 9/11 and flew them into buildings.

[Dig]

Dig, I understand the fears of releasing crap on the forum.  This was not my intention at all.  If the video is considered propaganda then I was unaware of this and so couldn't have introduced it as such.

Although, P was harsh, I did like his last post there because he then at least tried to explain himself.  That was much more respectful and informative than just calling me a propagandist.

I had hoped that my posts have shown that I am truly trying to learn here and that I respect the hell out of you seasoned posters, but I can't sit and be accused of something I never intended.

Just delete the whole thing...it matters to me no longer.

If you do have anything informative to add to educate along the lines of this thread, please do so, then it won't feel as though it has all been in vain.

Well let me guarantee to educate you on at least one thing...

P is a she

No worries, I am often a bit rough around the edges; sorry if I scraped you while I was running back and forth.

I would hope that the George Washington quote is the most important part of this thread...it is for me.

[EvadingGrid]

Are you saying we shouldnt worry about sharia?

Of course you should worry about any threat of ANY kind of Theocracy, not just a flavour one dislikes.

[lamourlady]

That video is nothing but propaganda talking points to cause division and make people hate Islam. Most muslims are peaceful, but the video tries to portray all muslims as violent and want the world under sharia law. It is hate mongering. To believe it is no different than believing muslims hijacked planes on 9/11 and flew them into buildings.

I understand that, Route, but the video is not talking about the 'people', it is talking about the texts and laws of those people.  Hence, why I put here in this forum.  On the other hand, it may very well be propaganda, but I wasn't looking at it from that point of view and certainly did not post it with the authors same intention.  I was under the impression that Sharia Law was their law.  I thought that even the peaceful Muslims had to live by the same 'laws', but if you all are stating that this 'law' is a blatant lie, then I will investigate it further.

[lamourlady]

Well let me guarantee to educate you on at least one thing...

P is a she

No worries, I am often a bit rough around the edges; sorry if I scraped you while I was running back and forth.

I would hope that the George Washington quote is the most important part of this thread...it is for me.

My pardons to P, who is a she.

[donnay]

The Spanish Inquisitions come to mind...as far as I am concerned all religion is tainted by evil--what better way for Satan to gain control, IMHO.

I do not like to use the 'group think' about a certain religion either.  There are wackos in all religion!

[Dig]

I understand that, Route, but the video is not talking about the 'people', it is talking about the texts and laws of those people.  Hence, why I put here in this forum.  On the other hand, it may very well be propaganda, but I wasn't looking at it from that point of view and certainly did not post it with the authors same intention.  I was under the impression that Sharia Law was their law.  I thought that even the peaceful Muslims had to live by the same 'laws', but if you all are stating that this 'law' is a blatant lie, then I will investigate it further.

Arabs, Muslim people are over 1 billion. You ever try to get 1,000 people to obey the same laws?

Why do you think we are able to blow up one mosque (Shia) and blame it another sect (Sunni). Then within those sects you have over 100 other sects. Then you have moderate observers of those sects.

Think about all of the Christian denominations from 7th day adventist to roman catholic to southern baptist, etc. and multiply it by 100. Now you can get an idea of how spread out and diverse the muslim people are and that they will never be homogeneous in their compliance/beliefs.

[Myteepatriot]

Not to change the subject but since it seems like everyone is attacking the original poster and if he/she was sincere in their original statement on why they posted it, why are they being attacked instead of explained to that the NWO is very good at propaganda that seems to make sense to a Christian, also since it was brought up do a search on a King James bible for the word "religion" it only appears 5 times in the bible and 4 of those are warnings against religion, the 5th is the only thing God considers religion. Religion is a man made hoax to deceive us and to keep us fighting against each other, think about it if any religion was so important to a most high God being would he not state which to follow, I think so. All the bible actually says in all its stories is be kind to your neighbors and treat others as you want to be treated the rest is all man made beliefs and control mechanisms in my opinion, but eh what do I know I'm just a dumbass redneck hillbilly that reads to much.

[Satyagraha]

P is a she

Guilty as charged. And pardons accepted.
One never knows with these names.

And lamourlady; my apologies if I was harsh... I have done a lot of research into Islam, and have many Muslim Americans (and non_American residents) as close personal friends. I also have studied islam, and understand the belief system described in the Koran, and in the Hadith* (Hadith are the texts that serve as the more practical daily living guidelines for practicing muslims ... and not mentioned in the video, of course).  My Muslim friends, like my Christian and Jewish friends, are hard-working, law-abiding good people who believe in God, and who try to live their lives as all of us do (well, most of us - Rockefeller, Sunstein, et al excluded) trying to raise their kids, pay their bills, and have some time to enjoy life.  And by the way, they are all disgusted at the issue of the ground zero mosque - believing it is only going to provoke more anger at muslims. You won't read about that in mainstream media much.

I tend to think everyone has read about these issues elsewhere in this forum, and expect that it's generally understood that a demonization campaign has been ratcheted up in preparation for an attack on Iran. I react in anger because I see it happening everywhere and I see people influenced by the propaganda we're fed 24/7. And I see the effect it has on people I care about personally. So it pisses me off.

I would be out there defending any group on the current 'hit list' for the NWO. These days it happens to be muslims; next I expect a full attack on Christians -- it's happening, but is much more covert at the moment. (And, as far as I know, fluoride, gm foods, aspartame, sucralose, high fructose corn syrup, etc., are not being distributed based on race or religion - it's eugenics without discrimination.)

But the genocide of muslims is right out in the open, on the tv news, in people's newspapers, on the radio, on the internet. And alongside it, the propaganda machines continues to spew hatred.

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*Note on Hadith - there are many Hadith (texts written by companions of the Prophet Mohammed). There are two Hadith which are generally accepted by muslim scholars as the standard texts (this is in Sunni Islam, I'm not sure about Shia texts), and they are "Bukhari" and "Muslim" hadiths. For more information on these texts, which are used as source materials for most muslims who are 'moderate' (e.g., a 'moderate' muslim is like a "conservative" jew - as opposed to a fundamentalist muslim, more akin to an orthodox jew.), do a search for Bukhari Hadith. I'll see if I can find some good links if you're interested in learning more, from a more balanced perspective.

[lamourlady]

Guilty as charged. And pardons accepted.
One never knows with these names.

And lamourlady; my apologies if I was harsh... I have done a lot of research into Islam, and have many Muslim Americans (and non_American residents) as close personal friends. I also have studied islam, and understand the belief system described in the Koran, and in the Hadith* (Hadith are the texts that serve as the more practical daily living guidelines for practicing muslims ... and not mentioned in the video, of course).  My Muslim friends, like my Christian and Jewish friends, are hard-working, law-abiding good people who believe in God, and who try to live their lives as all of us do (well, most of us - Rockefeller, Sunstein, et al excluded) trying to raise their kids, pay their bills, and have some time to enjoy life.  And by the way, they are all disgusted at the issue of the ground zero mosque - believing it is only going to provoke more anger at muslims. You won't read about that in mainstream media much.

I tend to think everyone has read about these issues elsewhere in this forum, and expect that it's generally understood that a demonization campaign has been ratcheted up in preparation for an attack on Iran. I react in anger because I see it happening everywhere and I see people influenced by the propaganda we're fed 24/7. And I see the effect it has on people I care about personally. So it pisses me off.

I would be out there defending any group on the current 'hit list' for the NWO. These days it happens to be muslims; next I expect a full attack on Christians -- it's happening, but is much more covert at the moment. (And, as far as I know, fluoride, gm foods, aspartame, sucralose, high fructose corn syrup, etc., are not being distributed based on race or religion - it's eugenics without discrimination.)

But the genocide of muslims is right out in the open, on the tv news, in people's newspapers, on the radio, on the internet. And alongside it, the propaganda machines continues to spew hatred.

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*Note on Hadith - there are many Hadith (texts written by companions of the Prophet Mohammed). There are two Hadith which are generally accepted by muslim scholars as the standard texts (this is in Sunni Islam, I'm not sure about Shia texts), and they are "Bukhari" and "Muslim" hadiths. For more information on these texts, which are used as source materials for most muslims who are 'moderate' (e.g., a 'moderate' muslim is like a "conservative" jew - as opposed to a fundamentalist muslim, more akin to an orthodox jew.), do a search for Bukhari Hadith. I'll see if I can find some good links if you're interested in learning more, from a more balanced perspective.

Yes, I would!  And btw, I did post up an article that stated there were Muslims who were against the mosque.  I think it was in the mosque thread.  I have much to learn and am more than willing to do the work to find the truth.  It's hard to know where to look when there are so many deceiving things out there.  It's become a real pet peeve of mine of late, as I just don't know who to trust anymore or where to even start, hence why I am here!  I guess some of us would like to be able to contribute rather than always being spoon-fed.  My attempt has bitten me hard in the butt, that is for sure.  lol

[Satyagraha]

Yes, I would!  And btw, I did post up an article that stated there were Muslims who were against the mosque.  I think it was in the mosque thread.  I have much to learn and am more than willing to do the work to find the truth.  It's hard to know where to look when there are so many deceiving things out there.  It's become a real pet peeve of mine of late, as I just don't know who to trust anymore or where to even start, hence why I am here!  I guess some of us would like to be able to contribute rather than always being spoon-fed.  My attempt has bitten me hard in the butt, that is for sure.  lol

If you want to see bitten in the butt; do a search for Pilikia and Sorcha Faal. Takes a while to identify the disinfo/propaganda.

The thing I find most disturbing is that people, on one hand, will say 911 was an inside job. But then in the next breath, they will worry about 'creeping sharia' - as if 911 was done by muslims who are trying to spread Islam. Wierd paradox. I think it's the result of high-level propaganda - the kind that can manage to have you 'accept' a president who was born of a Muslim father (which made him a muslim at birth, by Islamic tradition), and watch him court the Islamic world (as in his speech at Al Azhar university in Cairo), while at the same time, watch the escalation of troops in Afghanistan for the continuation of the genocide of muslims, as this same pretender accepts the Nobel Peace Prize.

Talk about cognitive dissonance! 
That's one of their favorite techniques. Cognitive dissonance is uncomfortable; people will react to it by shutting down their thinking - turning the tv channel back to American Idol, or some other sitcom. The thing about this forum is that we expose the cognitive dissonance; expose the left/right hypocrisy. Expose the agenda that would have us hating groups of people so that we will accept it when they choose to exterminate them.
We take our knocks as we learn; I've had mine too. (See above re: Sorcha Faal).

[Satyagraha]

The Spanish Inquisitions come to mind...as far as I am concerned all religion is tainted by evil--what better way for Satan to gain control, IMHO.

I do not like to use the 'group think' about a certain religion either.  There are wackos in all religion!

Organized religion was taken over - years ago. It seems all of the groups have been infiltrated/co-opted - the Christian groups (all sects/denominations - except for a few, and I hear they're coming after the Amish - no organic eggs for you!) - the Zionists have taken over Judaism (exceptions in Hassidic community), and we all know about the muslim brotherhood and the manipulation of muslims via their Imams (just look at Imam Rauf). 

And the thing is - these people have NO religion that we recognize as having anything to do with God/Jesus/Mohammed -- they are purely evil.
The good people who practice their faith within the organized/co-opted groups are sheep being led to slaughter unless they wake up and recognize they are in line for the next wave of killings. They will go to their "burn the Koran" day believing they are doing God's will. In fact, they are doing the NWO's will.