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« on: August 25, 2010, 05:42:36 PM » |
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If treason be legal, make the most of it.
(It's probably just legal for transnational corporations and sitting sovereigns, though.)
Yes, they are trying to condition everyone for tracking. My passport issued in 07' has no chip. My daughter's issued the next year does. I really hate that thing. If there is eve any trouble, though, she has a Philippines passport and that other one will go in the nearest circular file -- burnt to crispy critters.
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« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2010, 05:45:00 PM » |
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As if every sheriff could prevent federal agents (FBI, BATF, DEA etc.) from entering their counties.
Say, that is true.
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« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2010, 05:48:23 PM » |
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Citizen's arrest.
Ever public servant who has attended a Bilderberg meeting -- for violation of the Logan act.
So let it be written, so let it be done. Selah.
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« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2010, 05:52:04 PM » |
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Well, just to keep things tidy, let's see what the Constitution says about treason...(Section 3) http://topics.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleiiiArticle III
Section 1.
The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour, and shall, at stated times, receive for their services, a compensation, which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office.
Section 2.
The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States, and treaties made, or which shall be made, under their authority;--to all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls;--to all cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction;--to controversies to which the United States shall be a party;--to controversies between two or more states;--between a state and citizens of another state;--between citizens of different states;--between citizens of the same state claiming lands under grants of different states, and between a state, or the citizens thereof, and foreign states, citizens or subjects.
In all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, and those in which a state shall be party, the Supreme Court shall have original jurisdiction. In all the other cases before mentioned, the Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make.
The trial of all crimes, except in cases of impeachment, shall be by jury; and such trial shall be held in the state where the said crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any state, the trial shall be at such place or places as the Congress may by law have directed.
Section 3.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.
The only thing I can see that might make it treason is giving aid and comfort to the enemy, by making available tracking info that could bring harm to the one tracked. This requires an enemy to be defined. |
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"For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows."
1 Timothy 6:10 (KJB)
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« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2010, 05:52:59 PM » |
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That's not going to happen.
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AlbinoLime will live again.
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« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2010, 05:54:05 PM » |
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Well, just to keep things tidy, let's see what the Constitution says about treason...(Section 3)
The only thing I can see that might make it treason is giving aid and comfort to the enemy, by making available tracking info that could bring harm to the one tracked. This requires an enemy to be defined.
waging war against the people of the United States is Treason, is it not? Sedition at the least. Conspiracy to commit fraud against the American people is a foregone crime that warrants 1,000 grand jury investigations in every state at the least. |
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All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately
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« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2010, 05:58:50 PM » |
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I feel ya Dig! But in order to claim a legal charge of a crime, one must make sure the charge is correct, and treason requires a defined enemy of the United States. That's where at times it gets very subjective as to who might be operating intentially against the US in order to bring it harm. We all know the enemy is there, it's just proving who they are and that they in fact are the enemy is the hard part since the enemy resides within the very structure that would condemn them; our own government.
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"For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows."
1 Timothy 6:10 (KJB)
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« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2010, 05:59:16 PM » |
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A citizen can make an arrest, but must have probable cause like an officer of the law. The same standards do apply. The constitution does apply.
Any acting public officer caught walking out of the next Bildeberg meeting on U.S soil should be arrested on sight.
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« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2010, 06:04:09 PM » |
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Lefty and citizenx...
I appreciate that you are attempting to misinterpret what I posted to make it sound like I said that there should be citizens arrests. I understand that this is what you would like to think I posted. It is however 100% different from what I posted. I said that it would be illegal to start arresting people and that this action is just as illegal. Luckily people reading the thread can easily see that you are either willfully ignorantly or who knows why rambunctiously misinterpreting what I posted in a failed attempt to hijack some truthful information about the Bilderberg psychopathic insanity into la la land.
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All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately
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« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2010, 06:08:24 PM » |
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A citizen can make an arrest, but must have probable cause like an officer of the law. The same standards do apply. The constitution does apply.
Any acting public officer caught walking out of the next Bildeberg meeting on U.S soil should be arrested on sight.
Yep, that's basically how I understand it too. The handcuffs should be placed on a bunch of US citizens, but getting through the private contractor security is problematic. You basically have to have a firefight with security to pull it off, and that is not the thing to do. If you don't have the force of the local law enforcement behind you, then it will be you that goes to jail when trying to make a citizens arrest. But with citizens arrest one must only witness the crime to make the arrest. Some states allow arrests only for felony, and others both. Some states even allow deadly force agaisnt a fleeing felon. It might serve citizens well to read up on each state's citizens arrest laws. (saw your post Dig before I posted this, and in no way am I saying that! Where do you get that idea? I'm not claiming your advocating citizens arrests. Not even close.) |
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"For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows."
1 Timothy 6:10 (KJB)
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« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2010, 06:09:39 PM » |
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Lefty and citizenx...
I appreciate that you are attempting to misinterpret what I posted to make it sound like I said that there should be citizens arrests. I understand that this is what you would like to think I posted. It is however 100% different from what I posted. I said that it would be illegal to start arresting people and that this action is just as illegal. Luckily people reading the thread can easily see that you are either willfully ignorantly or who knows why rambunctiously misinterpreting what I posted in a failed attempt to hijack some truthful information about the Bilderberg psychopathic insanity into la la land.
I didn't say that was what you were saying. It is what I am saying. And, it is not illegal under the appropriate circumstances, nor is it treason. However, I can see that it might be a subject for another thread. |
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« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2010, 06:13:59 PM » |
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Title change/thread move -- fair enough.
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« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2010, 06:19:21 PM » |
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If treason be legal, make the most of it.
(It's probably just legal for transnational corporations and sitting sovereigns, though.)
Yes, they are trying to condition everyone for tracking. My passport issued in 07' has no chip. My daughter's issued the next year does. I really hate that thing. If there is eve any trouble, though, she has a Philippines passport and that other one will go in the nearest circular file -- burnt to crispy critters.
It should noted however that this and the post to follow were originally replies to another thread: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=184526.0since they make little sense standing on their own. |
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