To Eliminate the Opiate: The Subversion of Humanity by Secret Societies

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Dr. Rabbi Marvin Antelman talks about The NWO and Jewish beginnings - download mp3




Rabbi Marvin S. Antelman shows in his book "To Eliminate the Opiate" (New York, 1974) that there was a clear connection between Frankism and Weishaupt's Illuminism. The goal of the Frankists was to work in secret to establish Jewish world supremacy. Professor Scholem has clearly documented that they achived extensive political power.

Jacob Frank stressed heavily in his teaching to his followers that they should deliberately undergo false conversions to various faiths (principally Christian faiths) so as to ‘rot’ these religions from the inside out. mainstream historians are confused about these issues to this day, and dismiss the significance of his movement, precisely because it was ‘absorbed’ into the Catholic church after his death, when there was a mass ‘conversion’ of his followers.

Bernard Lazar, a well-known Jewish author, wrote in his "L'Antisemitisme" in 1894, that exclusively Cabbalist Jews surrounded Weishaupt. Confiscated documents show that of 39 Illuminati holding lesser leading positions, 17 were Jews (i.e., 40%.) The higher one looked in the ranks, the larger was the percentage of Jews. Even the fact that the Illuminati headquarters in Ingolstadt were later converted into a synagogue was symbolic of this conspiracy. Lazar stated that all these Jews became the agents of revolution because they had "revolutionary souls."

You can't download this broadcast from Israel National News, but the stream is still here:


Audio: "To Eliminate the Opiate"

I picked out some noteworthy bits, but double-check them before using them as sources because I may have mis-interpreted some things that were discussed.

Anthony Sutton (Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution, Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler) and Carol Quigley (Tragedy and Hope, Anglo-American Establishment), CFR (Illuminati front group) acronym of Carnegie-Ford-Rockefeller) - 5:23

Highlighting the persecution of the Jews - 7:21

Based on the research of Gershwin Shalom, Rabbi Antelman can trace a straight line from Sabbatai Zevi to the Council on Foreign Relation via the real Illuminati - 12:53

Jews and Freemasonry - 14:54

Protocols of Zion is fiction - 14:25 (Note: False, it is factual and has happened just as it was written)

Frankists were another Jewish cult - 15:03

No studying the cabala until you've had 30 years of study in the Talmud - 15:50

No Jewish members were admitted into Sabbetean cults until the formation of the Illuminati - 17:02

Frankists infiltrated both reform and conservative Judaism - 17:59

Bilderberg are not Jewish, they are Gentile face of the New World Order - 28:03
(Note: Half truth. The majority of the participants of Bilderberg are not Jewish, however many influencial members are, especially among the American attendees, which represent the usual over-representation (here and here )

Brandeis family were Sabbateans (Louis Brandeis United States Supreme Court Justice from 1916 to 1939 appointed by Woodrow Wilson) - 33:04

Lesbians, homosexuals, abortions have had their definitions distorted in an Orwellian fashion and are used as tools to control societies (political correctness) - 35:36

Neocon Jews in the US? No comment from Antelman - 38:36

Host says now Illuminati not Jewish but remember Antelman said earlier that Sabbeteans were ex-communicated Jews who were the roots of the Illuminati - 38:50

The infamous all-seeing eye and Illuminati symbolism - 40:14

Jesuits, Adam Weishaupt not a Jesuit but not a crypto-Jew either; you're an anti-Semite if you say he was a crypto-Jew 41:03

Who are the Jews and Americans involved in the CFR that we need to worry about - 43:59





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Hey look, here is your buddy Makow's take on the guy above-seems like the 1% of the interview you extracted definitely has a very calculated agenda:


The Subversion of Judaism by a Satanic Cult
http://www.nwo101.com/2007/10/subversion-of-judaism-by-satanic-cult.html
By Henry Makow PhD 10-18-7


"How can one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight unless...God had delivered them into enemy hands?" Deuteronomy 32:30

"Either convert to Islam or die." This was the choice the Turkish Sultan put to Sabbatai Zevi, self-proclaimed Jewish "Messiah" in 1666.

By only pretending to convert, Zevi resorted to a common practice. But Zevi was not an ordinary Jew. He led a popular heresy, based on a satanic strain of Cabalism. The rabbis had denounced him and his followers.

After his "conversion," over a million followers, who later included financiers like the Rothschilds, imitated his example. But they didn't just pretend to be Muslims or Christians. They pretended to be Jews as well.

Communist defector Bella Dodd revealed that during the 1930's the Communist Party had 1100 members join the Catholic Priesthood. They became Bishops and Cardinals and possibly Popes.

http://www.savethemales.ca/160303.html

By adopting this chameleon strategy, this satanic cult infiltrated and subverted most governments and religions, and established an invisible tyranny without drawing much attention.

http://www.geocities.com/cliff_shack/sabbatean_intro.html In the words of the gifted researcher Clifford Shack:

"Through infiltration, stealth and cunning, this invisible network has come to rule us all. Forty-one years after Shabbatai Zevi's death, in 1717, they would infiltrate Masonry guilds in England and establish Freemasonry.... [Zevi's successor] Jacob Frank would have a great impact on the inner core of Freemasonry known as the Illuminati, formed in 1776. Freemasonry would become the hidden force behind events like the [American, French and Russian] revolutions, the creations of the U.N. & Israel, both World Wars (including the Holocaust!), and the assassinations of the Kennedy brothers who, together with their father, tried to thwart the efforts of the network on American soil.

Sabbatean/Frankists, also referred to as the "Cult of the All-Seeing Eye" (look on the back of your one dollar bill to begin to understand their influence in YOUR life), are political and religious chameleons. They are everywhere...there is power. They are the good guys AND the bad guys. The World War Two era is a prime example. The following leaders were members of the "Cult of the All-Seeing Eye" (Sabbatean/Frankists): Franklin D. Roosevelt; Winston Churchill; Adolph Hitler; Eugenio Pacelli (Pope Pius XII); Francisco Franco; Benito Mussolini; Hirohito and Mao Tse-Tung."

IMPLICATIONS

If Mr. Shack is correct, historians, educators and journalists collaborate by upholding a false reality and distracting us from the truth. Our world, our perception of the human experience, are shaped by an occult secret society. Our culture is an elaborate psy-op.

Obviously, the Sabbateans and their descendants should consume our attention. Instead, they are hidden from view. They were decisive in the so-called "Enlightenment," "secularism" and "modernism," which are but baby steps to their Satanism.

According to Rabbi Marvin Antelman, they believe sin is holy and should be practised for its own sake. Since the Messiah will come when people either become righteous or totally corrupt, the Sabbateans opted for debauchery: "Since we cannot all be saints, let us all be sinners."

Their blasphemous benediction "who permits the forbidden" later became the Illuminist "do as thou wilt" the expression of their "religious" feeling. Totally amoral, they believe the "end justifies the means." ("To Eliminate the Opiate,"Vol. 2 p. 87)

In 1756, Jacob Frank and his followers were excommunicated by the rabbis. Antelman says the Sabbateans were behind the Reform, Liberal and Revolutionary movements of the Nineteenth century. They were also behind the Reform and Conservative movements in Judaism, including the "Haskalah" i.e. Jewish assimilation. In other words, Jews have been influenced by the Sabbateans and don't even know it.

That is their tactic. They don't advocate a Satanic kingdom. They gently steer you that way by questioning the existence of God, by demanding "sexual liberation," "independence" for women, "internationalism," "diversity" and "religious tolerance."


SEXUAL EXCESS AS A RELIGION
These all have a hidden agenda: To undermine "all collective forces except our own."

We are told "free sex" is "progressive and modern." In fact, the Sabbatean sect has indulged in wife sharing, sex orgies, adultery and incest for more than 350 years. They also promoted interracial sex. They have partly inducted us into their cult.

Antelman cites the proceedings of a rabbinical court where Shmuel, son of Shlomo tearfully confessed he had rejected the Torah and had encouraged his wife to have sex several times with Hershel. "I am guilty. She did not want to." (111)

Sexual abandon is characteristic of Communism, a direct outgrowth of Sabbateanism. . Jacob Frank pimped his beautiful wife to recruit influential men. Female members of the Communist Party were used in the same way. Adam Weiskaupt, the founder of the Illuminati, got his sister-in-law pregnant.

A pertinent anecdote: In his book, "The Other Side of Deception," Mossad defector Victor Ostrovsky described how the Mossad relax. At a party, the staff, including many unmarried young females, congregated around a pool, totally naked.

THE "HOLOCAUST"

The influence of the Sabbatean conspiracy is hidden in plain sight. For example, the term "Holocaust" is used without regard to its true meaning. Rabbi Antelman states that well before World War Two, the term meant "burnt offering" as in sacrifice. (p.199)

He quotes Bruno Bettleheim who says "calling the most callous, most brutal, most horrid. most heinous mass murder a 'burnt offering' is a sacrilege, a profanation of God and man." (205)

Whose sacrifice was it? For what purpose? Obviously, it has something to do with the Sabbateans' occult practice. Every time we use that word, we unwittingly join in their sacrilege.

According to Antelman, the Sabbateans hated Jews and sought their extinction. He cites rabbis who warned as far back as 1750 that if the Jews didn't stop the Sabbateans, they would be destroyed by them. (209)

And indeed when some Jews tried to save European Jewry from genocide, Antelman says "the conservative and reform communities [in the US] went their merry way ignoring these activities. So called establishment organizations like the American Jewish Congress, American Jewish Committee, and B'nai Brith did virtually nothing." (217)

INTERMARRIAGE

Sabbateans only marry within their demonic sect. They often marry rich, influential Gentiles. Thus, the Fourth Baron Rothschild (Jacob's) mother was not Jewish nor is his wife.

Another example is Al Gore's daughter Karenna's 1997 marriage to Andrew Schiff, the great grandson of Jacob Schiff. Gore's father was a Senator sponsored by Armand Hammer (Occidental Petroleum) whose own father was the founder of the American Communist party. Like Hitlery and Dubya, Al Gore is another Illuminati agent.

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/kgore.htm

CONCLUSION

Mankind is in the grip of a vicious Satanic cult whose power is so great, they can make their war against humanity seem normal and inevitable. Even when their plot is exposed, they can convince everyone that it is racist and in bad taste to believe it. They have men fixated on porn while they erect a police state.

Western society is morally bankrupt. This elaborate cult network controls politics, information and culture. Most leaders are dupes or traitors. The "Intelligentsia" has been bribed while the public is distracted and lives in a fool's paradise.

Like most nations and religions, Jews have been subverted from within. Zionists are pawns of the Sabbateans who used the "holocaust" to engineer the creation of Israel. Millions of Jews been "sacrificed" to create a Sabbatean Homeland, a "burnt offering" to Satan. God gave man Life: a Miracle full of inherent Beauty and Meaning. He gave us everything we need to develop according to his Plan.

But people who think limitless power and wealth are better than infinite love have hijacked humanity. They want to spoil our Divine Rendezvous and enslave us instead. This is the real meaning of our politics and our time.

These all have a hidden agenda:
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This is Marvin S. Antelman's mindblowing book To Eliminate the Opiate 1 - An In-depth Study of Communist and Conspiratorial Group Efforts to Destroy Jews and Judaism (2004) which presents the history behind the various schisms in Judaism, when they happened, for what reason and by whom. It is highly likely that when an everyday and even the well versed Jew reads these volumes they will begin to ask themselves if all of the things mentioned in this book are true or simply a fantasy of the author. Together with volume 2, Rabbi Antelman assembled so so much unknown information that one may ask how its possible that a single individual could have retrieved all this. The reason why they will ask this is due to their faith's obvious schism which now honors all the abominations and digressions that their religion and their Bible deem as "evil", "immoral" or pure corruptions. In this amazing book read all about: Adam Weishaupt, the Jesuit priest who founded the Illuminati on May Day 1776, from which the Communist Party emerged; How Weishaupt's Illuminati and Frank's...

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To Eliminate The Opiate, Vol.1 Vol.2
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To Eliminate The Opiate, by Rabbi Marvin S. Antelman is a 2 Volume book set which contains so much unknown information that one may ask how its possible that a single individual could have retrieved all this. If there's a holy covenant for knowledge and wisdom, Rabbi Antelman must have been carrying it around all his lifetime. A competing organization wich has access to even more "unknown" information, are of course The Jesuits and their Vatican Library. Interesting enough, Antelman barely mentions the Jesuits as the "evil-do-ers" inside his two Volumes. Inside Vol.1 the the followng is mentioned about the Jesuits:

page 83:
  "  In 1759, the [jesuit] order had been banished from Portugal.
   It was in 1769 that Clement XIV became Pope, and he expressed the
   view that "sometimes we must cut down the mast to have a ship." On
   July 21, 1773, three years later before the founding of the
   illuminati, he issued his "Brief of Suppression." Then strangely
   enough, he said, "For the sake of peace and because the society can
   no longer attain the aims for which it was founded, and on
   secret grounds which we enclose in our heart, we suppress
   the said society." No one to this very day knows exactly what these
   secret grounds were, but Saint Alphonsus Ligouri declared that it
   was due to a plot of Jansenists and infidels" or in other words,
   Illuminati types and mystical radicals, that had infiltrated and
   dominated the Jesuits. [68]

   [68] EB, "Society of Jesus", Encyclopedia Britannica, 1941 ed.

So the Rabbi Antelman is extremely Jesuit friendly. Antelman explains the title of his books as follows :

  "In selecting the title of this book, Karl Marx's concept that
   religion must be eliminated has been incorporated. The full text of
   his remarks was written in German and was as follows: "Religion is
   the lament of the oppressed, the soul of a world that has no soul,
   the hope of a humanity which has lost all hope; it is the opiate of
   the people." This has been reduced in quotations books to "Religion
   is the opiate of the people." Some translate "opium" rather than
   opiate, but this is a poor translation of the original German.
                     Rabbi Marvin S. Antelman
                24 Nisan 5734; April 16, 1974

Inside Vol.1 the nest of evil which emerged in Germany is painstaken and accurately identified by Antelman. So it seems. My question is why Germany seemed to have the monopoly for being the habitat of evil? The author treats The Frankists, The Bund Der Gerechten, Illuminati, The Haskala ( the destructive "reform" of Judaism) , The Jacobins, The Dobruska's (new covert family name for the decendants of Jacob Frank), The Red Kabbala, etc. The en plain public much admired and sophisticated offspin of german evil : Friedrich Nietsche, Goethe, Mendelssohn, Strauss, etc. Numerous names and inter-marriage facts are given, and to get an overview of what has been going on, one should read the book at least twice. Too many facts to mention here. The Epilogue gives a reasonable summary though :

page 143-146
         EPILOGUE

   In this Volume, we have shown how a conspiracy developed to
   undermine Judaism, and how it engulfed an entire continent, and
   spread throughout the Western World. It has been noted that the
   modern period did not spontaneously begin. A famous academic
   anecdote tells the story of a student who raised his hand to ask
   his professor whe the Renaissance began. The professor explained
   that on December 31, 1399, a perty was held in Italy, and they
   proclaimed that at midnight the Renaissance would begin. One cannot
   precisely put one's finger on the time nor the place when a
   conspiracy began to undermine all the religions of the world, and
   Judaism in particular. One can point to specific events that took
   place, so that Communism was not born when Adam Weishaupt founded
   the Illuminati on May Day 1776. Certain changes were already in
   evidence when [Moses] Mendelssohn, came on the scene in the Jewish
   communities of Europe. In the time of Shabbetai Tzvi, the false Messiah,
   the Jewish community of the world acted as one body. By the time
   Moses Mendelssohn came on the scene, polarization had begun to
   appear. The Frankists and Bund contributed to the further
   polarization of the Jewish people, which is going on up to this
   very day. Only the State of Israel has acted as a unifying force.

   When the Rabbis prophetically saw the Holocaust in Mendelssohn's
   Berlin circle, they were also looking at one essential consequence
   of this, that the alienation that Mendelssohn began would
   eventually result not only in the desecration of Judaism, but would
   destroy the eventual hope of Israel returning to its Homeland.
   Indeed, the Prophets of Israel declared long ago that a holocaust
   would come to those Jews who did not return to their homeland, when
   they had the opportunity to do so. Thus did God warn Israel that a
   slaughter would befall those who forsook Zion (Isaiah 65:11 12),
   while those who would return an inhabit Zion would be spared (Ibid,
   v 15, 16).

   Implicit to the development of Frankist revolutionaries and the
   Bund philosophy was a hatred for Zionism. A return to Israel
   by a pure Zionism that is based on basic Jewish religious concepts
   further developed, and appeared to be succesful. At this point the
   conspirators underminded Judaism by attempting to radicalize
   Zionism. Unfortunately, the radical side of Zionism has won out in
   terms of the Socialist Histadrut Party that has dominated the State
   of Israel to this very day. A conspiracy thus exists and is
   perpetuated where a group of of whealthy Neo-Platonists attempt to
   dominate Israel with huge sums of money, and try to maintain their
   control over its future. They have succeeded in stabilizing the
   development of the State so that Israel would be perpetually
   dependent on them for its economic growth. There is no reason why
   Israel's present 30 billion Israeli lira ($8 billion) economy is
   not 100 billion. Israeli bureaucracy, spawned by Socialism, has
   given birth to a disgraceful, stultifying status quo that permeates
   the government, manifested by a sachevet, "red tape," which
   saps the very life-blood of the State.

     Our description of the Illuminati is based on John Robinson's
   Proof of a Conspiracy. The question, of course, should be asked,
   "How reliable was Robinson?" Robinson was a great scientist.  He
   was professor of Chemistry on the faculty of Edinburgh University
   in Scotland. What is even more impressive is that George Washington
   acknowledged the threat of the Illuminati, and in a letter dated
   September 25, 1798, [259] he wrote the following to a Reverend G.W.
   Snyder:

            "Mount Vernon, September 25, 1798

  "   Sir: Many apologies are due to you, for my not acknowledging
   the receipt of your obliging favour of the 22d, and for not
   thanking you, at an earlier period, for the book you had the
   goodness to send me.

   I have heard much of the nefarious and dangerous plan and
   doctrines of the Iluminati, but never saw the book until
   your were pleased to send it to me. The same causes which have
   prevented my acknowledging the receipt of your letter have
   prevented me my reading the book, hitherto; namely, the
   multiplicity of matters which pressed upon me before, and the
   debilitated state in which I was left after a severe fever had been
   removed. And which allows me to add little more now, than thanks
   for your kind wishes and favourable sentiments, except to correct
   an error you have run into, of my presiding over the English lodges
   in this country. The fact is, I preside over none, nor have I been
   in one more than once or twice, within the last thirty years. I
   believe not-widstanding, that none of the Lodges in this
   Country are contaminated with the principles ascribed to the
   Society of the Illuminati". With respect I am &c ...

   George Washington."

   [259] Writings of Washington (September 1798), p452
   online : To REVEREND G. W. SNYDER 1
            To REVEREND G. W. SNYDER 2

      Just as Washington realized that there was a conspiracy to
   undermine the United States in his day, so too, a similar
   conspiracy is being carried out in the State of Israel in the
   aftermath of the Yom Kippur War.  The same radical  clique that
   gave the world Socialism and Communism want to see the Jewish
   religion and its people destroyed. In their ranks are those of
   Jewish origin.
      They did everything they could before the State of Israel was
   established to try  to prevent  it from becoming a reality, but
   once it became a reality, they sought to control it. As for
   example, at the outbreak of the Yom Kippur War, the Histadrut
   Secretary General Ben Aharon, an avowed Marxist, controlled the
   affairs of Israel's majority party. He was advised to resign
   thereafter because of his extreme Marxist views, which people
   thought were not in the best interests of the State of Israel. He
   has been succeeded by Secretary General Meschel, who is not a
   militant Marxist.

   Future chapters of the next volume, God willing, will trace the
   beginnings of the Zionist movement in opposition to the Frankist
   elite, and we will also didscuss how the Conservative movement
   began.  We shall discuss the early beginnings of Nazism as a
   Socialist Party in 1893, called the Anti-Semitic Party, as well as
   certain aspects of the Holocaust. We shall also show how certain
   Jews in the Civil Rights movement and the Reform and Conservative
   movements in the United States plotted with Black radicals to
   destroy manifestations of Jewish life in the Unites States from
   1964 to the present time, with particular attention to Boston,
   where I witnissed the forced exile of 60,000 Jews because of
   assaults, robberies, rapes and the murder of over 250 Jews from
   1968 to 1973.

   It goes without saying that one cannot be a Jew and a Communist,
   for in accepting the tenets of the accursed Karl Marx, one turns
   his back not only on the Torah, but on the universal morality of
   Judaism preached by the Noahidic laws, for a Jew certainly cannot
   become a Christian and still be a Jew. One who does is called a
   meshumad, a renegade from his faith. If he became a Christian, he
   can certainly be a civilized human being. However, if one turns his
   back on basic morality, then one is a barbarian, and is no longer a
   civilized human being. Being a civilized human being is a
   prerequisite to being a Jew, and it goes without saying that a
   barbarian cannot be a rabbi. Therefore, we shall devote a section
   to discuss how real Rabbis fought back the scourge of antinomian
   nihilistic Socialism and Communism, and fought barbarians who
   masqueraded as rabbis."


The 2nd Volume of "To ELiminate the Opiate" however took rather long to get finished and published. Here's what Rabbi Antelman had to say :

page 1-2
      INTRODUCTION TO VOLUME II

     The Preface to Volume I was written 24 years ago. Little did I
   think at the time that 24 years would transpire until Volume II
   would be ready for publication. An apology is in order; however. 
   The reader should know that from about a month after Volume I began
   to be distributed, unrelenting harrassment of one sort of another
   was unleashed upon me that did not let up until mid-1994. 
   Nevertheless, a few chapters had been written and edited during
   that time, and the respite enabled this volume's completion. There
   were, of course, projects of a religious nature and battles that
   the author fought during this period with the help of God. These
   included the formation of the Supreme Rabbinic Court of America
   (SRCA), on which the author has served as Chief Justice since 1974.
   The Court was involved in several landmark events such as the
   excommunication of Henry Kissinger in 1976, the public condemnation
   of the Marxist New Jewish Agenda and the excommunication of its
   members in 1982, several exposes -- including that of attempts by
   homosexual activists to hold  a ceremony at Yad VaShem in
   Jerusalem, which the Court thwarted in 1994 -- as well as its
   battles againts the assault on the Jewish family, and attempts by
   gullible, illiterate, otherwise observant Jews to misrepresent
   Jewish law with the aid and comfort of our enemies, as making it
   possible for a woman to obtain a Jewish divorce without the consent
   of a recalcitrant husband. because of the urgency of this problem,
   two books were written by me, one in English and the other in
   Hebrew. The first one, Lifdot Mechakai Gait, appeared in
   1990 and is in its second edition with Yaron Golan publishers of
   Tel Aviv. The English one, entitled The Great Aguna Debate,
   appeared in February 1998, and is distruibuted by the Court.
     As for the harrassment, there were 18 contrived legal tangles,
   which, if any of them would have been lost, would have forced me
   into financial ruination. It was the Lord God who delivered me from
   these harassments. One of the initial legal tangles was a
   continuation of the Elma Lewis libel suit, even though it was won
   in the Boston Municipal Court and should have ended there. She was
   able to obtain a trial de novo in the Superior Court despite
   motions for summary judgment that should have been granted. These
   "should haves" are the findings of the Appeals Court of
   Massachusetts, Suffolk County (406 NE Reporter 2d, 734 Mass, 1980).
   For those who have not read Volume I, a complete and factual report
   of the Elma Lewis episode is presented in chapter 23 of this volume.
   ..."


Well now, to my dismay i find that my Volume I stops with Chapter 22. Shame on the publisher! See below. Urge them to only publish complete works!

Recently Rabbi Antelman was interviewed by Tamar Yonah on Israeli National Radio. See "Daryl Bradford Smith Interviews David Pidcock or download the interview directly below.

[1] "To Eliminate the Opiate, Vol. 1"
by Rabbi Marvins S. Antelman
Paperback: 160 pages
Publisher: Copyright (c)1974,2004 by Rabbi Marvin S. Antelman
Language: English
ISBN: none
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0006CGV32/104-8946883-9639101
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[2] "To Eliminate the Opiate, Vol. 2"
by Rabbi Marvins S. Antelman
Paperback: 297 pages
Publisher: Copyright (c)2002 Rabbi Marvin S. Antelman
Language: English
ISBN: 965-7186-05-6
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/9657186056/104-8946883-9639101
http://www.bnainoach.com/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=2
http://bnainoachnews.com/tiki-read_article.php?articleId=2
http://www.zionistbookclub.com/
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« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2010, 01:57:03 AM »
Yes, by proportion the greatest number of Jews to die in the "Shoah" were the Chasidic religious Jews -- many of whom were virulently anti-Zionist.

To the point, today, where the only visible Chasidic movements around, like "CHABAD" (a very cerebral, intellectual form of Chasidism), are Zionist-extremist in nature.

Is it another coincidence?

The Chasidim were all but wiped out in WWII.

To truly understand the real roots of Hasidism/Chasidism, read The Ten Rungs and Tales of the Hasidim by Martin Buber.


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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2010, 04:00:32 AM »
Yes, by proportion the greatest number of Jews to die in the "Shoah" were the Chasidic religious Jews -- many of whom were virulently anti-Zionist.

To the point, today, where the only visible Chasidic movements around, like "CHABAD" (a very cerebral, intellectual form of Chasidism), are Zionist-extremist in nature.

Is it another coincidence?

The Chasidim were all but wiped out in WWII.

To truly understand the real roots of Hasidism/Chasidism, read The Ten Rungs and Tales of the Hasidim by Martin Buber.



WTF are you talking about?

Have you bothered to put in "chabad" and "zionist" in any of the NSA approved search engines?



Chabad's Anti-Zionism
http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2006/12/chabads_antizio.html
(Note...that website is the Stormfront of the Zionist movement...pretty f-d up shit)

Chabad was viciously anti-Zionist until after the founding of the State of Israel. When Jews could have fled Europe and gone to Israel or America, Lubavitch rebbes opposed leaving Europe. The 6th Lubavitcher Rebbe, a vicious anti-Zionist in his own right, told followers there would be no war and that it was safe to stay in Europe. He did this from Warsaw in the summer of 1939, less than four months before WW2 began with the bombing and invasion of Poland. He was rescued by the American government. What did he ask for as he was brought to safety from amidst the destruction and horror? To save more Jews? No. The man asked for the rescue of his silver collection and his rare book collection – Sherlock Holmes in Yiddish translation along side of "sefarim". Not a peep from the holy man's mouth about saving Jews.




Lubavitch tradition is so virulently anti-Zionist that the Rebbe Rashab was considered by many just a bit more anti-Zionist than Satmar. He was even one of the leaders of Europe who refused to join with the Agudah, mostly because of their Zionist (compared to him) leanings.

In a pre-WWII Kol Koreh by Hungarian Torah leaders against joining the Agudah, on which the first 2 signators were the Minchas Elozor and the Satmar Rebbe, the main text reads:

"As per the conclusion of the meeting of Rabbonim in Czep, and the subsequent letters of Geonei and Tzadikei Hador, and the published letter sTorah written by the Gaon and tzadik Admor Rashab of Lubavitch shlita -- all of these have the same position, that we must make boundaries to prevent irreligiosity and newfangled beliefs that veer from the true traditions that were handed down and practiced by our holy fathers ZT"L, namely, the pirtzah of the Agudah etc."

The Rebbe Rashab wrote a scathing letter against the Zionists - religious and otherwise - printed in many places, explaining how Zionism violates the Oaths, prevents the coming of Moshiach, is a false redemption, and even if there is any scraps of good that come with a Jewish State in Eretz Yisroel, we reject it and "throw it back in their faces."

Statements made by the Rebbe Rayatz were so anti-Zionist that they were sometimes quoted and reprinted in Arab propaganda literature before '48. It is true that the last Lubavitcher Rebbe, did indeed change this Chabad tradition in order to be more popular with the average Jew in the street. And that is the main reason why the Satmar Rebbe, who used to be the staunchest ally of Lubavitch all the way back in the days of the Rebbe Rashab, broke away form them, because the last Rebbe betrayed the traditions of Chabad for the sake of popularity. This is one of the main reasons for the opposition that Satmar has to Lubavitch.

But even so, you will never, ever see an Israeli flag or Yom Haatzmaut celebration in Chabad (I hope not - there’s no way to keep track of every so-called shliach out there); and you will never ever find any pro-State-of-Israel statements coming from the Lubavitcher Rebbe.

On the contrary, he made several statements to the effect that the State of Israel prevents the coming of Moshiach, since Moshiach is going to come only through the Jews doing Teshuva, as the Rambam writes, and not through physical intervention. He tried to be anti-Zionist without ever being anti-Zionist; he tried to play both sides of the coin. Elsewhere on this site, I quoted a Lubavitcher rabbi in an article saying that the last Lubavitcher Rebbe "modified" (read: changed) the traditional Lubavitch stance from anti-Zionism to "non-Zionism." But although non-Zionism and the lack of proactive anti-Zionist activism and preaching is indeed a tremendous deviation form the ways of traditional Chabad Chasidus, still, it is far from Zionist. In fact, decades ago I once read an article in a Conservative publication (Midstream I think it was called) that took Lubavitch to task calling them hypocrites because they purposely do not disclose to their prospective recruits their anti-Zionist position. They hide it away, they said, in order to be more popular.



The Rashab, the 5th Lubavitcher Rebbe' – infamous letter on anti-Zionism, written about 1900:



In answer to your questions concerning the Zionists and their group (which they propose to found) I will state, in short, the following:

1. Even if the Zionists were G-d fearing Torah true Jews, and even if we had reason to believe that their goal is feasible, we are nevertheless not permitted to join them in bringing our redemption with our own strength. We are not even permitted to force a premature redemption by showering the Almighty with insistent entreaties (As Rashi comments on the Gemara Kesuvos 111A discussing G-d's adjuring the Jewish people not to force the redemption), and certainly not by means of physical force and devices; We may not end our exile by main force: we will not thereby, achieve the spiritual redemption for which we are waiting. The Zionist notion contradicts our hope and yearning that G-d himself will not bring about our Redemption .

The past redemptions which were wrought by human beings were therefore incomplete. The redemption through Moshe and Aharon after which further exiles followed, and the redemption through Chananyoh, Michoel, and Azaryoh, although they acted in accordance with the prophecy of Yirmeyohu and other prophets are cases in point.

To insure a permanent Redemption from our present exile, we must hope and wait for a deliverance by the Almighty Himself, and not through the hands of one of flesh and blood. Thus only will our redemption be complete.

2. All their plans are built upon fantasies. They will not materialize, for there will never be an agreement to them. And besides our natural characteristics are not suited for it. Their leaders are blinded and bribed by their wish for freedom and power, and the ignorant masses follow them blindly.

3. The main point: The leaders of this project are totally hostile to G-d and His Torah. Their desire and interest is to cast off the yoke of Torah and Mitzvos, substituting nationalism for Judaism. Recently one of their leaders circulated a statement publicly blaspheming Judaism and boldly stating that a Jew is not necessarily someone who observes the Torah and mitzvos, etc. They state that many mitzvos of the Torah are-may their mouth be shut--a disgrace to the Jewish people. They plan to instill these ideas in the young by controlling the school system. Their purpose is to inculcate them with negative attitudes toward G-d given Torah and mitzvos and substitute the banner of nationalism as their guiding force. One of their leaders "reformed" the Torah, omitting those verses, passages and laws that did not please him. He is ready print this "new Torah", and this is what will be taught in the Zionistic schools.

One of the activities of the protected group will be to help finance schools of the above-described type. Although the goals of the bank are said to be to rebuild and repair destroyed roads, and so on, as their program depicts, it, will in fact direct its forces primarily toward the youth and the culture and implant in the children and adolescents poisonous roots. Their emissaries, the Zionist preachers malign Hashem's Prophets including Moshe, the master of all Prophets at will.

Woe to us that we must witness these tragic events in our time.

The Zionists true desire is to sever the hearts of the Jewish people from the Torah and mitzvos, G-d forbid, and to debase in their eyes whatever is regarded as holy by our nation.

This is their leaders' goal, and "the body follows the head."

If the Zionist plan to take possession of the land will G-d forbid materialize, they will defile it and disgrace it with their abominations and misdeeds, causing our exile to be lengthened, chas vesholom.

After considering these points, dear brothers, do judge whether G-d desires their actions and whether these people will bring about the salvation of K'Lal Yisroel. No!

We will not accept their promises. Even if they have some good to offer, we must throw it back to their faces. We do not want their good. We accept only the good from Hashem that results from the fulfillment of Torah and mitzvos. The Torah promises, "If you shall guard my statues I will give rain in its season and material abundance."

It is this good we want. And that is our only cherished hope. Those who aid the Zionists will in the future be held accountable, for they support those who cause the community to sin.

Therefore, anyone who belongs to Hashem's camp shall not join the evildoers, but on the contrary, he must oppose them as much as he is able to do. Until it shall be G-d's will to redeem us, we must accept the yoke of exile upon ourselves, since the exile expiates our sins. We must strengthen ourselves to withstand every new wave by fulfilling Torah and mitzvos, as G-d requires of us, hoping that Hashem will soon bring our redemption and send Moshiach. If he tarries let us wait for him; his arrival is dependent upon our teshuvoh (repentance), May G-d have pity upon us and speed our Redemption.

As to the Zionists' argument that Torah-true Jews should become leaders of their movement, I will answer as follows:

1. How can a G-d fearing Jew stand at the head of a movement that contradicts the fundamentals of our belief in the Redemption?

2. Torah Jews may not participate in this movement because Zionists will not accept the option of the G-d fearing Jews in the realms of religion and education. Rather, they will continue to follow their own course, and thereafter claim that the G-d fearing Jews, as part of the movement, ratify their views and decisions. Once G-d fearing Jews join the Zionists, many sincere simple Jews will begin to believe that the Zionists' deeds are approved by the G-d fearing Jews. Even if these G-d fearing Jews later break with the Zionist party and denounce it (provided their protests will be published in the Zionistic press), the effects of their protest will be far weaker than if they have never joined the Zionists in the first place.

3. No matter what the Zionists claim, in truth they are not interested in G-d fearing Jews joining them, since they do not intend to change their chosen course (of totaling abandoning Torah and mitzvos, making nationalism their entire Judaism). When Rabbonim at the Warsaw assemblies demanded the establishment of an exclusive council of Rabbonim, the Zionists would not agree. Their journalists ridiculed and blasphemed the Rabbonim, mocking them for having dated suggest such an idea. This clearly shows that the Zionists do not wish Torah Jews to interfere with their evil plans; may G-d foil their council and elevate the position of K'lal Yisroel.

Furthermore, let us evaluate their argument that they strive and make others strive for the benefit their people, while G-d fearing Jews sit idly by. What have they done "for the benefit of our people?"

I will only mention in passing the great, good deed accomplished by the Zionists in the last three years to benefit their Jewish brothers: Their closing of the shores of the Holy Land to Jews and the ban of property sales unless they are made by Jews who hold Turkish citizenship. Since the beginning of the establishment of the Chovovei Zion they managed to close the shores of the Holy Land to Jews of Russia and Rumania, and they prevented Jews from all countries from buying property and houses, (except from the Turkish). Jews suffered because of this and how they lost money through it. With the founding of the Zionist movement, entry was refused to all Jews, and acquisition was forbidden even to the old-established Jews in the land. This created a barrier between the Jews and the land that had never existed before and humiliated the Jews in the eyes of the non-Jewish inhabitants.

These worthy goals necessitated huge expenditures which were funded by the collection of half shekel coins and by selling shares. They crave our trust in them and their promises. Yet their personal actions on behalf of their Jewish brethren, other than fund raising, is of little movement.

But let us see whether the Chovevai Zion group, founded ten years ago in Odessa, did anything for the benefit of our Jewish brothers.

One of their accomplishments was founding the settlement Kastina. I have been informed by a reliable source who is well acquainted with its inhabitants that there are only a few families who do not have adequate dwellings. Their daily wage for farm labor is a frank and a half, (i.e. a ridiculously small amount, mere pocket money) and they are bitterly poor. Any profit that might be reaped goes to the party. A few families have been placed in "Petach Tikvah". This is the extent of their benevolence. Any Rav or ordinary Jew does more for the poverty-stricken in his town, extending financial aid and endeavoring to make them independent. (These settlers in Eretz Yisroel) need constant support. Even the settlers who were set up with farm land and all the necessary implements by Baron Hirsch, and for whom he spent more than 10,000 Rubles per person, need constant support, although these settlements were founded twenty years ago. Only individual settlers are self-sufficient, and this also only by the Baron's generosity).

The Rabbonim and individual Jews who support the poor in their town do so without publicity, so that, in fact, the public may not be informed of their good deeds. In reality even in the less generous towns, many more paupers are supported than are helped by the Chovevai Zion.

On the contrary, we must demand that they do much more, considering the great commotion they create and considering that they collect more than 40,000 Rubles annually.

No measurable gains for our brothers can be disclosed--their actions have been confined to oral and written plans, all blown out of proportion to reality. They pounce upon any hint of opposition like lions on the rampage, hoping to silence him with invective.

Their speeches cannot create new realities, and they do not blind the eyes of the intelligent people. We are aware that there they do not produce actual results. Do they benefit K'lal Yisroel with their above-mentioned relativity small contribution? Yet they boast that they themselves do and cause others to do deeds for the good of their fellow Jews. How are they not ashamed to speak in this manner, accusing others of lack of good deeds, although in truth the accused do far more than they do, each one in his own city and place. Among us, people take care of the needs of the community and improve the financial lot of their fellow Jew without arousing any public attention.

May Hashem elevate the position of our brothers B'nai Yisroel and speed our redemption soon in our days.

Your true friend who desires and waits for G-d's salvation,

Sholem Dov Ber
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Re: To Eliminate the Opiate: The Subversion of Humanity by Secret Societies
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2010, 08:19:45 AM »
Dig,

WTF indeed!

I am talking about Chabad and Lubavitchers today.

Look at what Schneerson (the near messiah), the "rebbe", wrote and said and what these people stand for today -- not pre WWII.  That was just my point.

This actually underscores my point that the anti-Zionist Jews bore the full brunt of the "Shoah".  I was unaware that so many Lubavitchers were anti-Zionist before the war.

Actually, I thank you for that.

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« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2010, 09:09:08 AM »
Dig,

WTF indeed!

I am talking about Chabad and Lubavitchers today.

Look at what Schneerson (the near messiah), the "rebbe", wrote and said and what these people stand for today -- not pre WWII.  That was just my point.

This actually underscores my point that the anti-Zionist Jews bore the full brunt of the "Shoah".  I was unaware that so many Lubavitchers were anti-Zionist before the war.

Actually, I thank you for that.

No worries mate, but chabad's so called pro-zionist ideology post war seems actually to just be just a serbian jew double bluff move (quoting from parts above):

But even so, you will never, ever see an Israeli flag or Yom Haatzmaut celebration in Chabad (I hope not - there’s no way to keep track of every so-called shliach out there); and you will never ever find any pro-State-of-Israel statements coming from the Lubavitcher Rebbe. On the contrary, he made several statements to the effect that the State of Israel prevents the coming of Moshiach, since Moshiach is going to come only through the Jews doing Teshuva, as the Rambam writes, and not through physical intervention. He tried to be anti-Zionist without ever being anti-Zionist; he tried to play both sides of the coin. Elsewhere on this site, I quoted a Lubavitcher rabbi in an article saying that the last Lubavitcher Rebbe "modified" (read: changed) the traditional Lubavitch stance from anti-Zionism to "non-Zionism." But although non-Zionism and the lack of proactive anti-Zionist activism and preaching is indeed a tremendous deviation form the ways of traditional Chabad Chasidus, still, it is far from Zionist. In fact, decades ago I once read an article in a Conservative publication (Midstream I think it was called) that took Lubavitch to task calling them hypocrites because they purposely do not disclose to their prospective recruits their anti-Zionist position. They hide it away, they said, in order to be more popular.



As far as Shneerson, he is dead and it seems that the top zionists are hell bent on using his dead body to forward their goals which are totally insane as outlined by the letter above. I have seen many Stormfront style websites bash him as being some batshit crazy genocidal maniac or something. But, I have yet to find any clear interpretation of anything he actually said or wrote to support that argument. To me, it seems part of the whole assimilation issue of demonizing a targeted group using the anger of the day. In 1934, Hollywood released a supposed docudrama called "The House of Rothschild". It was very similar to "Protocols" where it exposed the truth about a bona fide threat to the common man. However, it bombarded you with images of religious jews and assimilated the larger group and the physical features and clothing with the actual crimes by a single family of less than 100 people. Similar to Protocols where it takes Jolly's work 40 years earlier and then adds the words "joooos jooooos jooooos" to every sentence. By the time you are done reading it, you forget about all of the tactics by the elite families and just have the impression of a demonic race within your subconscious which to vent all anger upon. The hundreds of year old record seems fairly clear. I do agree that the zionists were able to minimize a lot of anti-zionist religious jewish initiatives after WWII, but to say that even today any group of Hasidism/Chasidism is "Zionist-extremist in nature" is hard to defend.

I also thank rio for the original post about Dr. Rabbi Marvin Antelman. He seems to add much historical perspective to hundreds of years of a zionist/anti-zionist struggle within the jewish communities and the impact on the overall new world order agendas. When looking at the transfer agreement, the letter from that rabbi above, and Antelman...it does seem that there were many reasons for the top zionists and the top nazis to work together on behalf of the NWO.
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« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2010, 09:30:00 AM »
Yes, but the Rebbe met with Israeli politicians and called for the State of Israel to tighten up regulations regarding its religious laws and "Who is Jew" so that only those born of Jewish mothers would qualify.

If he didn't believe in the State of Israel, this would have been a hypocritical move on his part.

I am not saying he was a "batshit crazy genocidal maniac", but (perhaps) a little narrow-minded.

As for Lubavitchers today they have thrown their support behind a Zionist party, Ichud Leumi.

Again, I thnak you for brining the Lubavitcher past to light for me -- though, think they have forgotten it completely from what it looks like.

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« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2010, 09:44:00 AM »
Yes, but the Rebbe met with Israeli politicians and called for the State of Israel to tighten up regulations regarding its religious laws and "Who is Jew" so that only those born of Jewish mothers would qualify.

If he didn't believe in the State of Israel, this would have been a hypocritical move on his part.

I am not saying he was a "batshit crazy genocidal maniac", but (perhaps) a little narrow-minded.

As for Lubavitchers today they have thrown their support behind a Zionist party, Ichud Leumi.

Again, I thnak you for brining the Lubavitcher past to light for me -- though, think they have forgotten it completely from what it looks like.

You got any sources for those statements?
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Re: To Eliminate the Opiate: The Subversion of Humanity by Secret Societies
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2010, 05:40:37 PM »
Yes, but the Rebbe met with Israeli politicians and called for the State of Israel to tighten up regulations regarding its religious laws and "Who is Jew" so that only those born of Jewish mothers would qualify.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menachem_Mendel_Schneerson

Assuming the Israeli editing teams haven't "cleaned up" that article yet, KWIM?

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« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2010, 05:45:14 PM »


As for Lubavitchers today they have thrown their support behind a Zionist party, Ichud Leumi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haredim_and_Zionism

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« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2010, 05:50:28 PM »
Chabad Rabbi:  Jews should kill Arab men, women and children during war.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/chabad-rabbi-jews-should-kill-arab-men-women-and-children-during-war-1.277616


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« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2010, 11:53:18 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menachem_Mendel_Schneerson

Assuming the Israeli editing teams haven't "cleaned up" that article yet, KWIM?

"Rabbi Immanuel Jakobovits argued that Chabad moderated its presentation of anti-Zionist ideology and right-wing politics in England and downplayed its messianic fervor so as not to antagonize large parts of the English Jewish community.[34]"

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haredim_and_Zionism

"Nonetheless, he refused to call the state by name, claiming that the holy land exists independent of any authority that sees itself as sovereign over the land. He further criticized feelings of nationalism connected to the State of Israel, saying that the only thing that unites Jews is the Torah, not a secular state that happens to be planted on holy land.[26]"

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Chabad Rabbi:  Jews should kill Arab men, women and children during war.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/chabad-rabbi-jews-should-kill-arab-men-women-and-children-during-war-1.277616

Rabbi Manis Friedman’s response
http://blogs.jta.org/telegraph/article/2009/06/03/1005589/rabbi-manis-friedmans-response
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Ben Harris has a story about the controversy over Rabbi Manis Friedman's statements in Moment magazine. Here's the rabbi's full clarification (distributed by Chabad) [UPDATE: The statement has been revised by Rabbi Friedman to make clear that he was not blaming Moment for the misunderstanding]:

I would like to clarify the answer published in my name in last month's issue of Moment Magazine.

First of all, the opinions published in my name are solely my own, and do not represent the official policy of any Jewish movement or organization.

Additionally, my answer, as written, is misleading.

It is obvious, I thought, that any neighbor of the Jewish people should be treated, as the Torah commands us, with respect and compassion. Fundamental to the Jewish faith is the concept that every human being was created in the image of G-d, and our sages instruct us to support the non-Jewish poor along with the poor of our own brethren.

The sub-question I chose to address instead is: how should we act in time of war, when our neighbors attack us, using their women, children and religious holy places as shields. I attempted to briefly address some of the ethical issues related to forcing the military to withhold fire from certain people and places, at the unbearable cost of widespread bloodshed (on both sides!) -- when one’s own family and nation is mercilessly targeted from those very people and places.

Furthermore, some of the words I used in my brief comment were irresponsible, and I look forward to further clarifying them in a future issue.

I apologize for any misunderstanding my words created.

-- Rabbi Manis Friedman


June 3, 2009
Statement By Chabad-Lubavitch World Headquarters
http://lubavitch.com/news/article/2026334/Statement-By-Chabad-Lubavitch-World-Headquarters.html
Chabad-Lubavitch World Headquarters

(lubavitch.com) Regarding recent comments made by Rabbi Manis Friedman in response to a question posed by Moment Magazine, we vehemently disagree with any sentiment suggesting that Judaism allows for the wanton destruction of civilian life, even when at war.

In keeping with Jewish law, it is the unequivocal position of Chabad-Lubavitch that all human life is G-d given, precious, and must be treated with respect, dignity and compassion.

Statements and opinions expressed by individuals do not necessarily reflect the position of the Chabad-Lubavitch movement. Lubavitch World Headquarters is the only office authorized to speak on behalf of the movement.



Here is my take on this sect...

The 5th leader of this group and all before I think were rabid anti-zionists, pro religion. Not sure about $6. #7 seemed to think he could bridge some gap between religious jews and zionism right after Israel was given a country status (maybe even right before). The head guy died and the followers are all over the place between being batshit crazy zionists, messianic nut jobs, greedy materialistic con guys (like most of the commercialized religious groups in the US), and some genuine religious/spiritual people. I am not sure on the percentages of any of them and that 7th leader seems a bit composed when compared to Pat Robertson, Rev. Hagee, Jerry Falwell, Abe Foxman, Ariel Sharon, or even Ben Stein for that matter.

Anyway just my take on it and as always, I try terribly to be less "inclusive" and more individual when it comes the the New World Order. Judge the individual by their deeds, the inclusion game is what Bilderberg wants us to do. Just take one look at Dresden and see what inclusion philosophy leads to.
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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2010, 01:23:42 AM »
All in the way you (choose to) read it, I supose.

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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2010, 01:28:50 AM »
All in the way you (choose to) read it, I supose.

yup, so many interpretations abound. I guess that is why I (choose) to read as much information as possible from multiple sources, I suppose.
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Schneerson never visited the State of Israel, where he had many admirers. One of Israel's presidents, Zalman Shazar, who was of Lubavitch ancestry, would visit Schneerson and corresponded extensively with him. Menachem Begin, Ariel Sharon, Moshe Katzav, and later, Benjamin Netanyahu, also paid visits and sought advice, along with numerous other less famous politicians, diplomats, military officials, and media producers. In the elections that brought Yitzhak Shamir to power, Schneerson publicly lobbied his followers and the Orthodox members in the Knesset to vote against the Labor alignment. It attracted the media's attention and led to articles in Time, Newsweek, and many newspapers and TV programs, and led to considerable controversy within Israeli politics.

He lobbied Israeli politicians to pass legislation in accordance with Jewish religious law on the question "Who is a Jew" and declare that "only one who is born of a Jewish mother or converted according to Halakha is Jewish." This caused a furor in the United States. Some American Jewish philanthropies stopped financially supporting Chabad-Lubavitch since most of their members were connected to Reform and Conservative Judaism. These unpopular ideas were toned down by his aides, according to Avrum Erlich. "The issue was eventually quietened so as to protect Chabad fundraising interests. Controversial issues such as territorial compromise in Israel that might have estranged benefactors from giving much-needed funds to Chabad, were often moderated, particularly by...Krinsky."[34]

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Re: To Eliminate the Opiate: The Subversion of Humanity by Secret Societies
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2010, 02:16:20 AM »
Since most of the Chabadniks in the world live in Israel, there are a great deal of Chabad houses there. In line with the Rebbe's instructions to vote for the a party that refuses to support giving away parts of the Land of Yisrael as part of any peace negotiations Chabad Rabbis endorsed the Zionist, Jewish-based Israeli political party Ichud Leumi in the 2009 elections.

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« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2010, 02:19:27 AM »
Like the best Chabad-Lubavitch rabbis, Manis Friedman has won the hearts of many unaffiliated Jews with his charismatic talks about love and God; it was Friedman who helped lead Bob Dylan into a relationship with Chabad.

But Friedman, who today travels the country as a Chabad speaker, showed a less warm and cuddly side when he was asked how he thinks Jews should treat their Arab neighbors.

"The only way to fight a moral war is the Jewish way: Destroy their holy sites. Kill men, women and children (and cattle)," Friedman wrote in response to the question posed by Moment Magazine for its "Ask the Rabbis" feature.

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Re: To Eliminate the Opiate: The Subversion of Humanity by Secret Societies
« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2010, 02:20:39 AM »
I suppose you simply did not choose to read these passages.

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« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2010, 03:38:58 AM »
I suppose you simply did not choose to read these passages.

I read all of the passages, thus the conclusion:

Here is my take on this sect...

The 5th leader of this group and all before I think were rabid anti-zionists, pro religion. Not sure about $6. #7 seemed to think he could bridge some gap between religious jews and zionism right after Israel was given a country status (maybe even right before). The head guy died and the followers are all over the place between being batshit crazy zionists, messianic nut jobs, greedy materialistic con guys (like most of the commercialized religious groups in the US), and some genuine religious/spiritual people. I am not sure on the percentages of any of them and that 7th leader seems a bit composed when compared to Pat Robertson, Rev. Hagee, Jerry Falwell, Abe Foxman, Ariel Sharon, or even Ben Stein for that matter.

Anyway just my take on it and as always, I try terribly to be less "inclusive" and more individual when it comes the the New World Order. Judge the individual by their deeds, the inclusion game is what Bilderberg wants us to do. Just take one look at Dresden and see what inclusion philosophy leads to.



And as you felt it necessary to repeat the batshit ramblings of perhaps a delusional psychopath, should not the following also be repeated (in addition to the nutball's own apology)?

June 3, 2009
Statement By Chabad-Lubavitch World Headquarters
http://lubavitch.com/news/article/2026334/Statement-By-Chabad-Lubavitch-World-Headquarters.html
Chabad-Lubavitch World Headquarters

(lubavitch.com) Regarding recent comments made by Rabbi Manis Friedman in response to a question posed by Moment Magazine, we vehemently disagree with any sentiment suggesting that Judaism allows for the wanton destruction of civilian life, even when at war. In keeping with Jewish law, it is the unequivocal position of Chabad-Lubavitch that all human life is G-d given, precious, and must be treated with respect, dignity and compassion. Statements and opinions expressed by individuals do not necessarily reflect the position of the Chabad-Lubavitch movement. Lubavitch World Headquarters is the only office authorized to speak on behalf of the movement.



After you have read all of the information including the seeming appeasements, batshit crazy stuff, contradictory statements, and more sensible tones are you still under the impression that there is some single guiding insanity which had you first conclude "chabad are Zionist-extremist in nature"? Or does it seem that they may just be another sect of people with varying extremists and some nutballs? Again when compared to neocons, zionists from varying religions or more importantly  transhumanists whose main goal is to destroy all of humanity, I suppose the "choosing" of how to interpret both what you "choose" to post, what I "choose" to post, and the rest might allow one to truly understand the meaning  of truth does not fear investigation. Or maybe not, who knows.

The Bob Dylan shit is hilarious BTW, I read it the first time but hardly thought it relevant.
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« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2010, 08:45:01 AM »


Thank you for this ,I can't wait to read it.I wish i had time to do it in one session,lol.
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« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2010, 09:10:56 AM »
Do you think it's possible shift in attitude happened after the Rabbi and his wife were slaughtered in front of their toddler in Mumbai? Do you think it's possible that one of the 'opportunities' taken during this 'crisis' was to send a message to the folks of Chabad Lubavitch? Do you think they got the message?

Terrorists target Mumbai Jewish centre
By Amy Kazmin
Published: November 27 2008 09:09 | Last updated: November 27 2008 09:09
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/94143da6-bc5f-11dd-9efc-0000779fd18c,dwp_uuid=7f5f6b12-2f66-11da-8b51-00000e2511c8,print=yes.html

For thousands of Jewish travellers visiting Mumbai each year – ranging from Orthodox business people to young Israeli backpackers – the five-year old Chabad House was an important port of call, offering services that ranged from Kosher meals to holiday services to the sympathetic ear of a young rabbi.

But on Wednesday night, the Chabad House was one of the carefully-selected targets of the devastating terror attacks that rocked Mumbai. An Israeli rabbi connected to Chabad House was among at least three people being held hostage by gunmen. According to Reuters a woman and a child were released and one of the gunmen was killed. However, at least four armed men remained in the building by mid afternoon on Thursday Mumbai time.

The choice of the Chabad House as a target, heightening suspicions about the attackers’ potential international links, or influences.

India’s own radical Muslims have traditionally focused their wrath on the dominant Hindu population and has never previously targetted India’s tiny and diminishing indigenous Jewish community, which number just a few thousand.

The founders of the Chabad centre, Rabbi Gabriel Holtzberg, a young Israeli who also holds US citizenship, and his wife Rifka, were part of the Chabad Lubovitch movement, which is dedicated to deepening religious practice and observation among Jews – both faithful and secular.

(continued at source link)


UPDATE: Mumbai-Based Rabbi and Wife Killed in Terrorist Attacks
http://www.chabad.org/news/article_cdo/aid/773691/jewish/Mumbai-Jewish-Family-Killed.htm
By Joshua Runyan and Motti Seligson
Nov 28, 2008 11:00 AM

Rabbi Gavriel and Rivkah Holtzberg, the beloved directors of Chabad-Lubavitch of Mumbai, were killed during one of the worst terrorist attacks to strike India in recent memory.

Jewish communities around the world reacted with shock to the loss of the couple, who were killed Thursday at their Chabad House during an apparent standoff between Indian military forces and terrorists. Also killed at the Chabad House were kosher supervisors Rabbi Leibish Teitelbaum of New York and American-Israeli Bentzion Chroman. Citing confirmation from Israel's Foreign Ministry, the English Web site of Yediot Achronot reported the identity of a fifth victim as Israeli woman Yocheved Orpaz. At least one other hostage was reportedly killed.

(continued at source link)
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Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren,  ye have done it unto me.

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« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2010, 11:30:28 AM »
Do you think it's possible shift in attitude happened after the Rabbi and his wife were slaughtered in front of their toddler in Mumbai? Do you think it's possible that one of the 'opportunities' taken during this 'crisis' was to send a message to the folks of Chabad Lubavitch? Do you think they got the message?

Terrorists target Mumbai Jewish centre
By Amy Kazmin
Published: November 27 2008 09:09 | Last updated: November 27 2008 09:09
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/94143da6-bc5f-11dd-9efc-0000779fd18c,dwp_uuid=7f5f6b12-2f66-11da-8b51-00000e2511c8,print=yes.html

For thousands of Jewish travellers visiting Mumbai each year – ranging from Orthodox business people to young Israeli backpackers – the five-year old Chabad House was an important port of call, offering services that ranged from Kosher meals to holiday services to the sympathetic ear of a young rabbi.

But on Wednesday night, the Chabad House was one of the carefully-selected targets of the devastating terror attacks that rocked Mumbai. An Israeli rabbi connected to Chabad House was among at least three people being held hostage by gunmen. According to Reuters a woman and a child were released and one of the gunmen was killed. However, at least four armed men remained in the building by mid afternoon on Thursday Mumbai time.

The choice of the Chabad House as a target, heightening suspicions about the attackers’ potential international links, or influences.

India’s own radical Muslims have traditionally focused their wrath on the dominant Hindu population and has never previously targetted India’s tiny and diminishing indigenous Jewish community, which number just a few thousand.

The founders of the Chabad centre, Rabbi Gabriel Holtzberg, a young Israeli who also holds US citizenship, and his wife Rifka, were part of the Chabad Lubovitch movement, which is dedicated to deepening religious practice and observation among Jews – both faithful and secular.

(continued at source link)


UPDATE: Mumbai-Based Rabbi and Wife Killed in Terrorist Attacks
http://www.chabad.org/news/article_cdo/aid/773691/jewish/Mumbai-Jewish-Family-Killed.htm
By Joshua Runyan and Motti Seligson
Nov 28, 2008 11:00 AM

Rabbi Gavriel and Rivkah Holtzberg, the beloved directors of Chabad-Lubavitch of Mumbai, were killed during one of the worst terrorist attacks to strike India in recent memory.

Jewish communities around the world reacted with shock to the loss of the couple, who were killed Thursday at their Chabad House during an apparent standoff between Indian military forces and terrorists. Also killed at the Chabad House were kosher supervisors Rabbi Leibish Teitelbaum of New York and American-Israeli Bentzion Chroman. Citing confirmation from Israel's Foreign Ministry, the English Web site of Yediot Achronot reported the identity of a fifth victim as Israeli woman Yocheved Orpaz. At least one other hostage was reportedly killed.

(continued at source link)

Shit, I forgot about that. Definitely part of an MI6/CIA/Mossad/DEA plot. The top zionistas used the "Chabad" supposedly pro-zionists in an attempt to drum up more post 9/11 style sympathy. The shit backfired big time as now everybody knows that the  head logistics operative worked for the DEA's international operations department for over 15 years!
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« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2010, 04:13:27 PM »
Haha, these "terrorists" are always targeting Jews/Jewish centers  ::)

Aside from the Chabad incident, how are these "terrorists" always able to identify Jews? And this always seems to somehow benefit  Jewish/Israeli interests in one way or another  ???

9/11 - Larry Silverstein's Jewish centers (Odigo probably made sure hardly no Jews were killed though)
Mumbai - Chabad House Jewish Center how did these "terrorists" manage to find obscure sect of Jews in India  ???
Harold Wallace Rosenthal - only person killed in "terrorist" highjacking event happened to be a Jew?
Achille Lauro - only person killed in "terrorist" highjacking event happened to be a Jew?
Munich Massacre - only Jews targeted and 1 German and killed?
Holocaust Museum Shooting- Jewish target but no Jews killed. Odd timing - just in time to coincide with Leonard Zeskind'a book 'Blood and Politics' about rise in white supremacist violence in America. Gee how convenient  ::)



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« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2010, 06:17:37 PM »


The Bob Dylan shit is hilarious BTW, I read it the first time but hardly thought it relevant.
I heard he'll be on the next telethon with Jon Voigt. ;)

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« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2010, 07:16:05 PM »
Haha, these "terrorists" are always targeting Jews/Jewish centers  ::)

Aside from the Chabad incident, how are these "terrorists" always able to identify Jews? And this always seems to somehow benefit  Jewish/Israeli interests in one way or another  ???

9/11 - Larry Silverstein's Jewish centers (Odigo probably made sure hardly no Jews were killed though)
Mumbai - Chabad House Jewish Center how did these "terrorists" manage to find obscure sect of Jews in India  ???
Harold Wallace Rosenthal - only person killed in "terrorist" highjacking event happened to be a Jew?
Achille Lauro - only person killed in "terrorist" highjacking event happened to be a Jew?
Munich Massacre - only Jews targeted and 1 German and killed?
Holocaust Museum Shooting- Jewish target but no Jews killed. Odd timing - just in time to coincide with Leonard Zeskind'a book 'Blood and Politics' about rise in white supremacist violence in America. Gee how convenient  ::)

Haha looks like that may not be entirely true ::)

Aside from zero incidents, how are these "terrorists" always able to identify non-elites? And this always seems to somehow benefit Bilderberg interests more than any one sub-elite group  ???

9/11 - David Rockefeller's American hallmarks (DoD probably contacted all CEO's so just the middle layer of America got massacred)
Mumbai - these "terrorists" managed to find the non-obscure and quite well known Chabd house in India because 15 year DEA special forces agent Headley did months of research with multiple targets and plotted exactly that religious center. At least 170 people, including 22 foreigners, were killed and 300 more were injured. 2 jews were killed execution style by the MI6/CIA/Mossad controlled patsies. The number one beneficiary was the David Rockefeller of India...Bilderberger's Ratan (owner of the Taj hotel where most activities took place) derrrrr ???
Harold Wallace Rosenthal - so obscure it is truly amazing you compare it to the likes of Wellstone, Congressman Ryan (Jonestown Airport), JFK, Jr., Polish coup d'etat by plane, Senator Stephens, and countless other terrorist acts involving planes?
Achille Lauro - only person killed in "terrorist" highjacking event happened to be a cripple?
Munich Massacre - only athletes targeted and 1 policeman killed?
Holocaust Museum Shooting- target was middle class. Gee how convenient  ::)

Seems obvious that the elite scumbags love to use terrorist acts against the middle class and then press the middle class to give up more freedoms in their aftermath ::)
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« Reply #26 on: August 24, 2010, 10:00:50 PM »

Seems obvious that the elite scumbags love to use terrorist acts against the middle class and then press the middle class to give up more freedoms in their aftermath ::)

Jewish targets seem to be "the elite's" and the Sabbatean's favorite as of late though and sacrificing Jews when necessary is straight out of the Protocols of Zion ;)

Why is that? Even Alex Jones so famously asked in an interview with Robert Gaylon Ross "Why are they always killing Jews?"

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« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2010, 10:31:12 PM »
Jewish targets seem to be "the elite's" and the Sabbatean's favorite as of late though and sacrificing Jews when necessary is straight out of the Protocols of Zion ;)

Didn't you already agree that it was plaigerized? why are you still following Henry Ford's method of saving the elites from persecution? Especially when the facts are so against the BS. They are sacrificing everybody. You really seem to have a desire to mention "jooooos, joooooooos, jooooooos" as many times as possible. Ya might want to look into that.

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Why is that? Even Alex Jones so famously asked in an interview with Robert Gaylon Ross "Why are they always killing Jews?"

Famous? Where? On stormfront? Are we talking about since the Pharaohs? You got any context?
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« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2010, 10:49:09 PM »
Didn't you already agree that it was plaigerized? why are you still following Henry Ford's method of saving the elites from persecution? Especially when the facts are so against the BS. They are sacrificing everybody. You really seem to have a desire to mention "jooooos, joooooooos, jooooooos" as many times as possible. Ya might want to look into that.

Famous? Where? On stormfront? Are we talking about since the Pharaohs? You got any context?


I'm not mentioning "jooooooos" I'm just stating the facts.

The Protocols do in fact state that Jews will be sacrifieced when necessary, which for the most part, goes right along with Rabbi Antelman and Makow's conclusions that the Sabbatean cult and it's followers, the modern day CFR (Carnegie-Rockefeller-Ford), ADL, AIPAC and similar groups are involved in a conspiracy to subvert Judaism, or the real Torah Jews.

I don't necessarilly buy into that because most Jews and Christians alike have decided to play along (see citizenx's posts) despite the facts we put here before them. That being said, I'm not out to indite all Jews either, but they better get a clue fast, and I do commend the Jews who have spoken out.

As far as context, not exactly the context that I was referring to, but here it is:

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JONES: "Really from my research, it's...it's...these Luciferian controllers. Doesn't matter if it's Albert Pike, the founder of the Klan, Confederate General allied with these people...or Adolf Hitler. It's an evil crew of individuals. And the caller who must have tuned in this hour and missed the last hour. Yeah, they told them we're going to have a dentist appointment, we're going to test you for ringworm, it's just a fungus. They took 110 thousand Sephardi little children, ages 5 to 10. And as the caller said the most watched documentary over there in Israel. I can't even believe it was on tv over there. And they killed them. Most of them died within a week, and a few hundred are alive today...and they don't have any hair...even their women they're totally brain-damaged. And the U.S. Government paid to do this. Of course our government brought the Nazis over here, and that was the ratline project Paperclip. And I guess I'm...I'm bad...I mean I'm evil...for even trying to say it's wrong to kill jewish children. Why? Why are they always wanting to kill jews?"

ROSS: "First, I think we really need to establish the fact that we're not talking about religion here. I'm not an anti-semite. But there are lots of...some very powerful people in this world that are jews, but they're not real jews, and they're behind all this cabal to dominate the entire world. And so it's...this not a religious subject. We're talking about a power subject."

JONES: "Well, I mean, this group openly went and killed 100 plus thousand and...radiated these...these...these Sephardi. They...every time we look they're killing jews."



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« Reply #29 on: August 25, 2010, 12:37:35 AM »


I don't necessarilly buy into that because most Jews and Christians alike have decided to play along (see citizenx's posts) despite the facts we put here before them.


OK, you lost me.  First of all, I'm not sure I'm a member of either group, though I would say both Christianity and Judaism have both informed my spirituality, and I have "practiced" both religions.

Am I "playing along" with something?  If so, what is it exactly?

Maybe, I read this the wrong way.

BTW, I also think Makow is on to something.

Just want some clarification.

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« Reply #30 on: August 25, 2010, 12:42:17 PM »
I'm not mentioning "jooooooos" I'm just stating the facts.

The Protocols do in fact state that Jews will be sacrifieced when necessary, which for the most part, goes right along with Rabbi Antelman and Makow's conclusions that the Sabbatean cult and it's followers, the modern day CFR (Carnegie-Rockefeller-Ford), ADL, AIPAC and similar groups are involved in a conspiracy to subvert Judaism, or the real Torah Jews.

I don't necessarilly buy into that because most Jews and Christians alike have decided to play along (see citizenx's posts) despite the facts we put here before them. That being said, I'm not out to indite all Jews either, but they better get a clue fast, and I do commend the Jews who have spoken out.

As far as context, not exactly the context that I was referring to, but here it is:



A very logical and coherent response. Thanks. I think the ringworm children is one of the most clear pieces of evidence of elite rulers killing their own for more and more power (The Inquisition, Mao, Stalin, and even Hitler also are obvious examples). I got a little lost with the examples of those relatively minor terrorist acts mentioned above, but what you are saying is damn true and definitely on-topic concerning the need for the satanic theosophians to rid the world of monotheism. They do this by attacking the jewish, christian, and muslim people who have the strength to still have faith and obedience to god.
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« Reply #31 on: August 25, 2010, 01:44:35 PM »
OK, you lost me.  First of all, I'm not sure I'm a member of either group, though I would say both Christianity and Judaism have both informed my spirituality, and I have "practiced" both religions.

Am I "playing along" with something?  If so, what is it exactly?

Maybe, I read this the wrong way.

BTW, I also think Makow is on to something.

Just want some clarification.


Ok, you seemed to have misunderstood. I wasn't implying that you are playing along with either side, but rather you seem to agree that the Lubavitcher are have indeed decided to play along with the Zionists, which is pretty much the same thing as I and many others have concluded.

As for Lubavitchers today they have thrown their support behind a Zionist party, Ichud Leumi.

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« Reply #32 on: August 25, 2010, 05:31:03 PM »
Gotcha.  Capisce.