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« Reply #120 on: April 11, 2009, 09:30:24 PM »

The US news only cares about the Somali Pirates trying to get their Measley 2Million$ deals or even 50 million for oil tankers.

Nobody cares now about the Wall Street Pirates stealing Trillions , yep a Trillion is a Million Millions, or a Thousand Billions

Watch this old Monty Python vid -
http://www.videosift.com/video/Monty-Pythons-Meaning-Of-Life-Crimson-Permanent-Assurance
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« Reply #121 on: April 12, 2009, 12:17:02 PM »

So what's all this pirate stuff about and why is this Navy Capitan on CNN saying "We got to go into Somalia and get the Pirates."

Africa going to be the next Iraq?
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« Reply #122 on: April 12, 2009, 12:19:37 PM »

So what's all this pirate stuff about and why is this Navy Capitan on CNN saying "We got to go into Somalia and get the Pirates."

Africa going to be the next Iraq?

Naw, there's no money in making Somalia into an Iraq.  There IS, however, money in getting your cargoes through.

There's even more money in getting YOUR cargoes through, but having "pirates" capture everyone else's.
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« Reply #123 on: April 12, 2009, 12:23:41 PM »

Looks like the Military is already in place and we have an "eye" on them there pirate terrorists in Africa.

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« Reply #124 on: April 12, 2009, 12:31:53 PM »

Captain safely rescued. 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30178013/
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« Reply #125 on: April 12, 2009, 10:00:42 PM »

I am very glad to see that Captain Phillips is unharmed and no longer a hostage.  After doing some research the last couple of days my computer was struck with some kind of virus and I haven't been able to log on. 

Upon researching, here is an old article written by Captain Kelley Sweeney that gets to the crux of the matter:

Mariners need to be able to defend themselves against pirates
Capt. Kelly Sweeney

Imagine that your oceangoing tug leaves the Red Sea after transiting the Suez Canal, and is making the passage through the Gulf of Aden around 70 miles off the northeastern coast of Somalia. You see two boats speeding toward your slow-moving tug. Minutes later heavily armed pirates with machine guns and grenade launchers overrun your vessel and swarm aboard — in plain sight of a U.S. Navy patrol ship. Taken hostage, you watch helplessly as your captors loot your staterooms, the engine room, the galley and take whatever valuables you and your crew are wearing.

Then, with a gun pointed at your head, one pirate who speaks English explains that you and your vessel are being held for ransom and that your life depends upon the company’s willingness to pay nearly $1 million. After 47 days being held at gunpoint while you ate, slept and lived life thinking each day might be your last, you receive word that the company has finally made the ransom payment. By the end of the ordeal, even the tug has been stripped bare. Thankfully, you and your crew are alive — though definitely the worse for wear. As a last insult, you are directed to drop off each pirate at his coastal home on your way back out to sea.

That pirate attack isn’t some story from the history books, nor is it a Johnny Depp movie. It actually occurred just weeks ago to Capt. Colin Darch of Britain and his crew on an oceangoing Danish tug, the Maersk-owned Svitzer Korsakov.

This attack was not an isolated incident. In the South China Sea, pirates brutally murdered all 23 crewmembers on the bulk carrier Chang Song. The crew was led out on deck, lined up, beaten to death and then tossed overboard before the pirates stole the ship and cargo. Even recreational boaters are targets.

International law defines piracy as an armed attack against a vessel on the high seas — outside the territorial waters and jurisdiction of any country. Piracy has doubled over the past several years, and as I write this, it is already up 20 percent in 2008. Even worse, the International Maritime Organization (IMO) estimates that the actual number of pirate attacks against merchant ships is twice the official number, because many shipping companies choose not to report the incidents for fear of raising their insurance premiums — something confirmed at a NATO meeting on maritime crimes earlier this year.

One of the major international responses to piracy and violence against merchant ships has been the International Ship and Port Security (ISPS) Code, which specifies a number of ship security requirements for applicable oceangoing vessels. The provisions include a “hot button,” which when activated notifies authorities ashore where and when an attack is occurring; ship security plans specifying actions to avoid and repel an attack; and a vessel security officer to ensure that the security plan is followed. Amazingly, many vessel types are exempt from the code requirements, including oceangoing ships less than 500 gross tons, most oceangoing tugboats, merchant ships working exclusively in inland waters (like ferries) and recreational boats.

From my perspective as an actively sailing deck officer, the security plans I’ve seen on board merchant ships have had serious shortcomings. Each plan called for the use of fire hoses and axes to repel pirates — an unrealistic defense against assailants wielding grenade launchers and automatic weapons. A piracy “hot button” notifying authorities ashore is not going to stop attackers as they storm aboard with AK-47 assault rifles. Trying to avoid or outrun the pirates is not very realistic when most merchant vessels have speeds of 10 to 25 knots, and many pirate boats are capable of 30 to 50 knots.

When it comes to ISPS compliance, some companies realize that more is needed. There are shipping companies that go beyond the standard “fire hose and fire ax” security plan and supply their vessels with non-lethal defensive equipment like night-vision scopes and long-range acoustic devices (LRADs). A night-vision scope can enable a mariner on lookout to see suspicious vessels approaching in the dark — a tactic many pirates use. Also known as a sonic blaster, an LRAD looks somewhat like a satellite dish and is described as a “bullhorn on steroids.” It delivers an ear-splitting sound blast that temporarily disables and disorients an attacker, allowing the vessel the opportunity for escape. In 2005 crewmembers aboard Seabourn Spirit, a cruise ship operated by Carnival Cruise Lines, used this equipment to help repel a pirate attack. 

Two other non-lethal means of defending against a pirate attack in use on merchant ships are electric ship fences and closed-circuit TV cameras. The Secure-Ship electric fence, marketed by a company based in the Netherlands, is recommended by both the International Maritime Bureau and the IMO as an anti-piracy defense. These “fences” are really large cables strung around the perimeter of the ship outside of the gunwale. When touched, they sound an alarm and deliver a 9,000-volt shock to knock the pirates back in the water. Combining this system with closed-circuit TV monitors, the officers on the bridge would instantly know that their ship was under attack — and where the pirates were attempting to board the vessel.

Historically, merchant mariners used swords, pistols and cannons to repel attacks. Today, some merchant mariners use Uzis and M-14 rifles. A friend of mine who works for Zim Container Line told me that on Zim ships every crewmember is issued an Uzi, an automatic weapon, and is trained in its use.

In the United States, just to sail as a civilian merchant mariner on a Military Sealift Command ship you must have weapons training. On board the vessel, M-14 rifles, M-500 shotguns and M-9 pistols are issued to the crew in case of armed attack.

Other companies hire armed guards to protect the ship and crew. I know of a U.S.-flagged integrated tug/barge working in the Persian Gulf that carries four armed guards at all times.     

Piracy against merchant ships has a high cost, both in money and in lives. Sixteen billion dollars is lost each year. In addition, thousands of merchant mariners like Capt. Darch and his crew on Svitzer Korsakov have been kidnapped or killed by pirates. I believe that merchant mariners and shipping companies have a right to expect that the authorities in charge will make the high seas safe. Until that time comes, mariners should be given the means to effectively defend themselves and their vessels.

Till next time I wish you all Smooth Sailin’.

Kelly Sweeney holds the licenses of master (oceans, any gross tons) and master of towing vessels (oceans), and regularly sails on a wide variety of commercial vessels. He lives on an island near Seattle.  You can contact him at captsweeney@professionalmariner.com.

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Upon researching other things before my computer was struck by a virus, I check out Zim Container line on Wiki and I am sure this is just a coincidence...

The company's US branch, known as Zim-American Israeli Shipping Co., moved from the World Trade Center to Norfolk, Virginia the week before the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. Computer systems not yet moved were lost.

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« Reply #126 on: April 13, 2009, 06:03:22 PM »

tHERE ARE USUALY TWO SIDES TO A STORY, THIS BEING THE OTHER SIDE MANY HAVE NOT HEARD OF. Not to say that I beleive they are correct in the methods, but a bit of the reasoning behind this sounds credible.



You Are Being Lied to About Pirates

By Johann Hari

April 12, 2009 "Huffington Post" --- Who imagined that in 2009, the world's governments would be declaring a new War on Pirates? As you read this, the British Royal Navy - backed by the ships of more than two dozen nations, from the US to China - is sailing into Somalian waters to take on men we still picture as parrot-on-the-shoulder pantomime villains. They will soon be fighting Somalian ships and even chasing the pirates onto land, into one of the most broken countries on earth. But behind the arrr-me-hearties oddness of this tale, there is an untold scandal. The people our governments are labeling as "one of the great menace of our times" have an extraordinary story to tell -- and some justice on their side.

Pirates have never been quite who we think they are. In the "golden age of piracy" - from 1650 to 1730 - the idea of the pirate as the senseless, savage thief that lingers today was created by the British government in a great propaganda-heave. Many ordinary people believed it was false: pirates were often rescued from the gallows by supportive crowds. Why? What did they see that we can't? In his book Villains of All nations, the historian Marcus Rediker pores through the evidence to find out. If you became a merchant or navy sailor then - plucked from the docks of London's East End, young and hungry - you ended up in a floating wooden Hell. You worked all hours on a cramped, half-starved ship, and if you slacked off for a second, the all-powerful captain would whip you with the Cat O' Nine Tails. If you slacked consistently, you could be thrown overboard. And at the end of months or years of this, you were often cheated of your wages.

Pirates were the first people to rebel against this world. They mutinied against their tyrannical captains - and created a different way of working on the seas. Once they had a ship, the pirates elected their captains, and made all their decisions collectively. They shared their bounty out in what Rediker calls "one of the most egalitarian plans for the disposition of resources to be found anywhere in the eighteenth century." They even took in escaped African slaves and lived with them as equals. The pirates showed "quite clearly - and subversively - that ships did not have to be run in the brutal and oppressive ways of the merchant service and the Royal navy." This is why they were popular, despite being unproductive thieves.

The words of one pirate from that lost age - a young British man called William Scott - should echo into this new age of piracy. Just before he was hanged in Charleston, South Carolina, he said: "What I did was to keep me from perishing. I was forced to go a-pirating to live." In 1991, the government of Somalia - in the Horn of Africa - collapsed. Its nine million people have been teetering on starvation ever since - and many of the ugliest forces in the Western world have seen this as a great opportunity to steal the country's food supply and dump our nuclear waste in their seas.
Yes: nuclear waste. As soon as the government was gone, mysterious European ships started appearing off the coast of Somalia, dumping vast barrels into the ocean. The coastal population began to sicken. At first they suffered strange rashes, nausea and malformed babies. Then, after the 2005 tsunami, hundreds of the dumped and leaking barrels washed up on shore. People began to suffer from radiation sickness, and more than 300 died. Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah, the UN envoy to Somalia, tells me: "Somebody is dumping nuclear material here. There is also lead, and heavy metals such as cadmium and mercury - you name it." Much of it can be traced back to European hospitals and factories, who seem to be passing it on to the Italian mafia to "dispose" of cheaply. When I asked Ould-Abdallah what European governments were doing about it, he said with a sigh: "Nothing. There has been no clean-up, no compensation, and no prevention."At the same time, other European ships have been looting Somalia's seas of their greatest resource: seafood. We have destroyed our own fish-stocks by over-exploitation - and now we have moved on to theirs. More than $300m worth of tuna, shrimp, lobster and other sea-life is being stolen every year by vast trawlers illegally sailing into Somalia's unprotected seas. The local fishermen have suddenly lost their livelihoods, and they are starving. Mohammed Hussein, a fisherman in the town of Marka 100km south of Mogadishu, told Reuters: "If nothing is done, there soon won't be much fish left in our coastal waters."

This is the context in which the men we are calling "pirates" have emerged. Everyone agrees they were ordinary Somalian fishermen who at first took speedboats to try to dissuade the dumpers and trawlers, or at least wage a 'tax' on them. They call themselves the Volunteer Coastguard of Somalia - and it's not hard to see why. In a surreal telephone interview, one of the pirate leaders, Sugule Ali, said their motive was "to stop illegal fishing and dumping in our waters... We don't consider ourselves sea bandits. We consider sea bandits [to be] those who illegally fish and dump in our seas and dump waste in our seas and carry weapons in our seas." William Scott would understand those words.

No, this doesn't make hostage-taking justifiable, and yes, some are clearly just gangsters - especially those who have held up World Food Programme supplies. But the "pirates" have the overwhelming support of the local population for a reason. The independent Somalian news-site WardherNews conducted the best research we have into what ordinary Somalis are thinking - and it found 70 percent "strongly supported the piracy as a form of national defence of the country's territorial waters." During the revolutionary war in America, George Washington and America's founding fathers paid pirates to protect America's territorial waters, because they had no navy or coastguard of their own. Most Americans supported them. Is this so different?
Did we expect starving Somalians to stand passively on their beaches, paddling in our nuclear waste, and watch us snatch their fish to eat in restaurants in London and Paris and Rome? We didn't act on those crimes - but when some of the fishermen responded by disrupting the transit-corridor for 20 percent of the world's oil supply, we begin to shriek about "evil." If we really want to deal with piracy, we need to stop its root cause - our crimes - before we send in the gun-boats to root out Somalia's criminals.

The story of the 2009 war on piracy was best summarised by another pirate, who lived and died in the fourth century BC. He was captured and brought to Alexander the Great, who demanded to know "what he meant by keeping possession of the sea." The pirate smiled, and responded: "What you mean by seizing the whole earth; but because I do it with a petty ship, I am called a robber, while you, who do it with a great fleet, are called emperor." Once again, our great imperial fleets sail in today - but who is the robber?
POSTSCRIPT: Some commenters seem bemused by the fact that both toxic dumping and the theft of fish are happening in the same place - wouldn't this make the fish contaminated? In fact, Somalia's coastline is vast, stretching to 3300km. Imagine how easy it would be - without any coastguard or army - to steal fish from Florida and dump nuclear waste on California, and you get the idea. These events are happening in different places - but with the same horrible effect: death for the locals, and stirred-up piracy. There's no contradiction
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« Reply #127 on: April 13, 2009, 06:10:46 PM »

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=78900.msg583621#msg583621
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« Reply #128 on: April 13, 2009, 06:16:26 PM »


Hi Lostdog, thanks for the update. CJ
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« Reply #129 on: April 13, 2009, 06:18:00 PM »

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Once again, our great imperial fleets sail in today - but who is the robber?
Heh, I know the answer to that one. The royal families, banking dynasties, and robber baron descendants that have taken away our future before our very own eyes. They´re always trying to get us fighting with eachother. This time it´s the Somalians they´re blaming.
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« Reply #130 on: April 13, 2009, 08:05:13 PM »

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090414/ap_on_re_af/piracy

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« Reply #131 on: April 13, 2009, 11:52:32 PM »


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The four pirates that attacked the Alabama were between 17 and 19 years old, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said.

"Untrained teenagers with heavy weapons," Gates told a group of students and faculty at the Marine Corps War College. "Everybody in the room knows the consequences of that."

My bullshit meter just went off.  It's obvious these "untrained teenagers with heavy weapons" were accomplishing more than these benighted bastards want to let on. 

In all the bullshit that I have thus far shifted through from MSM, no one but no one advocated for Merchant Ships to be armed.  We know what their agenda is and if the Law of the Sea Treaty is ratified say good bye to our economic sovereignty. 
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