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« on: July 26, 2010, 05:39:29 AM »

Director Oliver Stone belittled the Holocaust during a shocking interview  with the Sunday Times today, claiming that America's focus on the Jewish massacre was a product of the "Jewish domination of the media."

The director also defended Hitler and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and railed against the "powerful lobby" of Jews in America.

Stone said that his upcoming Showtime documentary series "Secret History of America," seeks to put Hitler and Communist dictator Joseph Stalin "in context."

"Hitler was a Frankenstein but there was also a Dr Frankenstein. German industrialists, the Americans and the British. He had a lot of support," Stone told Sunday Times' reporter Camilla Long.

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/alana-goodman/2010/07/25/oliver-stone-jewish-dominated-media-prevents-hitler-being-portrayed-c#ixzz0umtcLZTV

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« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2010, 05:49:08 AM »

Perhaps if he'd stuck to AIPAC and Palestine he may have had a point. Then he says he likes Chavez? For ****'s sake.

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« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2010, 05:55:57 AM »

Sounds like a pretty awake point-of-view from Mr. Stone.  I'd love to see him do the Hitler story from this take -- showing all the people behind him, big and little.

Yeah, as far as Chavez is concerned, though, that is a little weird.

Not sure he should be enemy number one (Chavez), but I'm against the whole socialist dictator thing.
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« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2010, 06:03:06 AM »

Sounds like a pretty awake point-of-view from Mr. Stone.  I'd love to see him do the Hitler story from this take -- showing all the people behind him, big and little.

Yeah, as far as Chavez is concerned, though, that is a little weird.

Not sure he should be enemy number one (Chavez), but I'm against the whole socialist dictator thing.

I agree that Hitler had foreign support to get to where he was, but Stone's other comments were ill-judged. Yes, the Jewish Holocaust often overshadows other events during WWII. The problem is calling the media "Jewish dominated" and similar phrases is a mistake at best. Yes, lots of Russians died, but Stalin had a significant part to play there as well as the comments point out.
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« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2010, 06:08:09 AM »

Perhaps if he'd stuck to AIPAC and Palestine he may have had a point. Then he says he likes Chavez? For ****'s sake.

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When you're going to battle against the most powerful tyranny in history, wouldn't you want some heavy hitters at your back?   If everything's as bad as Alex Jones has stated over and over again (and I'm not debating it is) then get to know the enemies of your enemies.  I doubt we know 1/10th of the truth about Chavez and Iran's power structure-even with the alternative media. 
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« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2010, 06:17:18 AM »

When you're going to battle against the most powerful tyranny in history, wouldn't you want some heavy hitters at your back?   If everything's as bad as Alex Jones has stated over and over again (and I'm not debating it is) then get to know the enemies of your enemies.  I doubt we know 1/10th of the truth about Chavez and Iran's power structure-even with the alternative media.  

I've even defended Iran\Ahmadinejad on some aspects, because as much as I dislike what goes on internally that isn't an excuse to start embargoing, launching spec ops and politically interfering. Not to mention the history, with Ajax etc.

I appreciate there's been similar interference in South America, but I don't buy into a lot of the stuff that Chavez has been doing domestically. Trying to remove term limits? Price fixing? Hostile takeovers? I mean seriously, there's a difference between breaking up cartels and forming a state sponsored one.
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« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2010, 06:24:16 AM »

Sounds like a pretty awake point-of-view from Mr. Stone.  I'd love to see him do the Hitler story from this take -- showing all the people behind him, big and little.

Yeah, as far as Chavez is concerned, though, that is a little weird.

Not sure he should be enemy number one (Chavez), but I'm against the whole socialist dictator thing.

The whole socialist dictator thing is the model to be used for the neo feudal lords under the world wide "Neo" Feudal NWO system that is being set up. Every region will have one. There will be 10 of them in the US, and a bunch world wide. they are answerable to a dozen overlords who in turn will be answerable directly to the queen/king of the world... The same old imperial model we fought in 1776... someone should let Ollie know...

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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2010, 06:36:22 AM »

It is interesting that the biggest piece of the interview is not what the neocons at Newsbusters highlight:

"Hitler was a Frankenstein but there was also a Dr Frankenstein. German industrialists, the Americans and the British. He had a lot of support," Stone told Sunday Times' reporter Camilla Long. Stone said that, "Hitler did far more damage to the Russians than the Jewish people, 25 or 30 [million killed]."

I would go farther and say that 2x the chinese civilian population were most affected by WWII.

Then the secondary issue of the interview (that we can see from the blurb) has been focused on the word "jewish" rather than the entirety of the argument:

"There's a major lobby in the United States. They are hard workers. They stay on top of every comment, the most powerful lobby in Washington. Israel has f***** up United States foreign policy for years."

It is also interesting that the main point of the Newsbusters article is to get people to pay for Murdoch's pay service at the Times (which is about to go bankrupt) using the "jewish" teaser so that people pay for the whole interview.

Well isn't that special.
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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2010, 06:42:42 AM »

The whole socialist dictator thing is the model to be used for the neo feudal lords under the world wide "Neo" Feudal NWO system that is being set up. Every region will have one. There will be 10 of them in the US, and a bunch world wide. they are answerable to a dozen overlords who in turn will be answerable directly to the queen/king of the world... The same old imperial model we fought in 1776... someone should let Ollie know...

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completely agree on the Chavez point, many reports from Venezuela indicate that even though chavez may have some strong points, he is helping globalists set up full feudalism in Venezuela just like they did in cuba.
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« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2010, 06:44:46 AM »

It is interesting that the biggest piece of the interview is not what the neocons at Newsbusters highlights:



"Hitler was a Frankenstein but there was also a Dr Frankenstein. German industrialists, the Americans and the British. He had a lot of support," Stone told Sunday Times' reporter Camilla Long. Stone said that, "Hitler did far more damage to the Russians than the Jewish people, 25 or 30 [million killed]."

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"There's a major lobby in the United States. They are hard workers. They stay on top of every comment, the most powerful lobby in Washington. Israel has f***** up United States foreign policy for years."


It is also interesting that the main point of the Newsbusters article is to get people to pay for Murdoch's pay service at the Times (which is about to go bankrupt) using the "jewish" teaser so that people pay for the whole interview.

Well isn't that special.

You have a point, but I'm not paying just for that. I know perfectly well the MSM isn't going to paint Stone in the most favourable light, but that's all the more reason for him to either: pick a better journalist to talk to, or be more specific (did he mention AIPAC? specific abuses that the lobby enabled?).
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« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2010, 07:12:50 AM »

You have a point, but I'm not paying just for that. I know perfectly well the MSM isn't going to paint Stone in the most favourable light, but that's all the more reason for him to either: pick a better journalist to talk to, or be more specific (did he mention AIPAC? specific abuses that the lobby enabled?).

completely agree.
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« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2010, 10:01:26 AM »

How is him saying Hitler was Frankenstein defending him?
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« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2010, 11:18:18 AM »

How is him saying Hitler was Frankenstein defending him?

I don't recall Frankensteins trying to run a coup in the 1920s and writing Mein Kampf...
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« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2010, 12:32:21 PM »

The Holocaust™ is boring already  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2010, 12:58:42 PM »

I don't recall Frankensteins trying to run a coup in the 1920s and writing Mein Kampf...


Frankenstein as compliment or a defense is a novel use.
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« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2010, 01:10:52 PM »

I don't recall Frankensteins trying to run a coup in the 1920s and writing Mein Kampf...

bad argument. the frankenstein monster was not Mother Theresa. The point of the story is that although the Frankenstein monster was a batshit crazy maniac, the Dr. Frankensteins of the world should continue  have their work exposed. Because they are not exposed, they are able to get $trillions more wealth stolen from the middle class to create new generations of puppet Hitlers/Frankenstein monsters.

The point is that killing the Frankenstein monster does not stop Dr. Frakenstein from committing crimes against humanity.
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« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2010, 03:09:43 PM »

bad argument. the frankenstein monster was not Mother Theresa. The point of the story is that although the Frankenstein monster was a batshit crazy maniac, the Dr. Frankensteins of the world should continue  have their work exposed. Because they are not exposed, they are able to get $trillions more wealth stolen from the middle class to create new generations of puppet Hitlers/Frankenstein monsters.

The point is that killing the Frankenstein monster does not stop Dr. Frakenstein from committing crimes against humanity.

 I didn't say he was... Huh

Unfortunately I can't access to the full interview, so I can't verify what you're saying.
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I like Stone and  allways have, no one is perfect, but he has taken a stand , for that alone I admire him.

This guy paid the price, he served in Nam, and has attempted to bring truths to the people with his films.

Ya know there are times when its just nice to give a guy  some credit for attempting to bring out the truth even if it isn't 100% in line with ones oppinion he has stuck his neck out bringing reality to the people. Two films he made come to mind, born on the 4th of July and Platoon.

I can slice and dice the parasites with relish, but a guy like this I can not. Sure we don't have to agree with with every statement he makes, but lets not forget what he has tried to do.

He openly admits Hitler was a monster, but he goes on to say that this monster was backed up and exposes the source. Good Points and true. He also fingers the zionist lobby.

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« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2010, 09:19:50 PM »

chavez had the stones to go to the un floor and call bush a devil and say the room still smelled of sulphur. not to defend the un, but that sounds about right to me.
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« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2010, 09:22:18 PM »

chavez had the stones to go to the un floor and call bush a devil and say the room still smelled of sulphur. not to defend the un, but that sounds about right to me.
I second that......
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« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2010, 10:38:46 PM »

Sounds like a pretty awake point-of-view from Mr. Stone.  I'd love to see him do the Hitler story from this take -- showing all the people behind him, big and little.

Yeah, as far as Chavez is concerned, though, that is a little weird.

Not sure he should be enemy number one (Chavez), but I'm against the whole socialist dictator thing.
You know I've been there a couple of times and the people there LOVE Chavez - no kidding. Whatever Chavez is - the people there love him. Ever been to margarita island? You'd be amazed what you'd find there.
To me a lot of what Stone said about Chavez true - Go there sometime.
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« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2010, 10:55:42 PM »

Whatever Chavez is - the people there love him.
Most Americans love their system, too.

Not sure about either.

Out of the frying pan, into the fire.

Six of one, half dozen the other.

(That having been said, I would love to see Venezuela one day, if and when I have more disposable income. Smiley)
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« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2010, 10:58:50 PM »

UPDATE: Stone has apologized for what he is describing as "a clumsy association" he made about the Holocaust.

In a statement, Stone took back his statement that Jews control the media and called the Holocaust an "atrocity":

    "In trying to make a broader historical point about the range of atrocities the Germans committed against many people, I made a clumsy association about the Holocaust, for which I am sorry and I regret. Jews obviously do not control media or any other industry. The fact that the Holocaust is still a very important, vivid and current matter today is, in fact, a great credit to the very hard work of a broad coalition of people committed to the remembrance of this atrocity - and it was an atrocity."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/26/oliver-stone-jewish-domin_n_659795.html
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« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2010, 10:59:29 PM »

Most Americans love their system, too.

Not sure about either.

Out of the frying pan, into the fire.

Six of one, half dozen the other.

(That having been said, I would love to see Venezuela one day, if and when I have more disposable income. Smiley)

Margarita Island .. do it.
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« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2010, 11:21:18 PM »

"Virginia museum's bust of Stalin is an atrocity by any name"

By Michael Gerson
Friday, July 16, 2010

"But Stalin authored racial atrocities of his own. Historian Andrew Roberts notes: "Stalin also committed seven major acts of racial genocide, against the Ukrainians in 1930-32, the Poles, Balts, Moldavians and Bessarabians in 1939-41 and 1944-45, the Volga Germans in 1941, the Crimean Tatars in 1943, the Chechens and the Inguches in 1944."

© 2010 The Washington Post Company

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« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2010, 11:30:23 PM »

You know I've been there a couple of times and the people there LOVE Chavez - no kidding. Whatever Chavez is - the people there love him. Ever been to margarita island? You'd be amazed what you'd find there.
To me a lot of what Stone said about Chavez true - Go there sometime.

Been there, he is following the Rockefeller/Castro gameplan by the fricking book.
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« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2010, 11:37:43 PM »

Ari Emanuel targeting Mel Gibson?
http://www.headlinerwatch.com/9462/oliver-stone-mel-gibson.htm
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« Reply #27 on: July 27, 2010, 12:32:38 PM »

UPDATE: Stone has apologized for what he is describing as "a clumsy association" he made about the Holocaust.

In a statement, Stone took back his statement that Jews control the media and called the Holocaust an "atrocity":

    "In trying to make a broader historical point about the range of atrocities the Germans committed against many people, I made a clumsy association about the Holocaust, for which I am sorry and I regret. Jews obviously do not control media or any other industry. The fact that the Holocaust is still a very important, vivid and current matter today is, in fact, a great credit to the very hard work of a broad coalition of people committed to the remembrance of this atrocity - and it was an atrocity."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/26/oliver-stone-jewish-domin_n_659795.html


Too late Stone you can't take it back. You're an anti-Semite now whether you like it or not which is funny because you yourself are half Jew on your father's side  Shocked
So just accept your new title of anti-Semitic Holocaust denier with pride because now you've joined the ranks of a long list of fellow travelers who had the balls to tell the truth about "the ones that you are not allowed to speak of lest you want your professional career ended." You know who I'm referring to: Voltaire, Helen Thomas, Shakespeare, Henry Ford, Martin Luther, Jesus Christ,  Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter, Professors John Mearsheimer and Steven Walt, Admiral Thomas H. Moorer US Navy ect.

The Holocaust™ was nothing out of the ordinary when you comapre the conditions side by side with other purges in history, particulary compared the the Bolshevik's decades long holocausts against Christians, and the literal holocausts of Dreseden, Nagasaki and Hiroshima. .  Now take my advice, grow a pair, retract your bs apology  and go on the Larry King Live Show before the old hack retires and tell the Jewish pressure groups to take a running jump!
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« Reply #28 on: July 27, 2010, 12:43:29 PM »

Too late Stone you can't take it back. You're an anti-Semite now whether you like it or not which is funny because you yourself are half Jew on your father's side  Shocked
So just accept your new title of anti-Semitic Holocaust denier with pride because now you've joined the ranks of a long list of fellow travelers who had the balls to tell the truth about "the ones that you are not allowed to speak of lest you want your professional career ended." You know who I'm referring to: Voltaire, Helen Thomas, Shakespeare, Henry Ford, Martin Luther, Jesus Christ,  Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter, Professors John Mearsheimer and Steven Walt, Admiral Thomas H. Moorer US Navy ect.

uh dude, you really want to compare that jew Jesus Christ to Henry Ford, Jimmy Carter and Richard Nixon? Why not just include Kanye West and David Rockefeller? How about Prince Philip or Margaret Sanger while you are at it.

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The Holocaust™ was nothing out of the ordinary when you comapre the conditions side by side with other purges in history, particulary compared the the Bolshevik's decades long holocausts against Christians, and the literal holocausts of Dreseden, Nagasaki and Hiroshima. .  

Not for nothing but you do realize that the Rockefeller/Mao cultural revolution exterminated more civilians than the Bolshevik's decades long holocausts against Christians, and the literal holocausts of Dreseden, Nagasaki and Hiroshima, and the Holocaust™ combined. The longest and most painful holocaust against christians was the 400 year inquisition which singled out christians for extermination more than any other people.

Additionally, the real hidden truth about the Holocaust™ is that it allowed much of those other genocides to occur and was an experiment for IBM/Elites to implement worldwide on every race, nationality, country.

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Now take my advice, grow a pair, retract your bs apology  and go on the Larry King Live Show before the old hack retires and tell the Jewish pressure groups to take a running jump!

but really dude, you really want to keep the zionazi dueling banjo BS going when everyone else in the country sees this attempted hatchet job on Stone's credibility from a mile away?

THE MEN BEHIND HITLER
A German warning to the world

http://www.toolan.com/hitler/index.html
by Bernhard Schreiber


Bernhard Schreiber was born in 1942 in Stuttgart after his father died in action as an officer of the Luftwaffe. After his education in Germany he studied journalism in America and travelled extensively as a freelance journalist. During the last five years he has been researching the material for this book and decided to publish the German Edition as a first result of his research. He will be continuing his research with colleagues. and he has received a grant from a large university for this purpose. When his work does not take him abroad he lives with his family in Germany


TRANSLATOR'S NOTE
When I first heard of Bernhard Schreiber's work I was convinced that a work along these lines was needed in English.

I met Mr. Schreiber and he consented to his work being translated and I am, in fact, indebted to him for his help in ensuring that his exact meaning was put into English. It is refreshing to work with an author who can cross check your translation. He has edited certain errors and improved the documents section which he felt was lacking in the original.

My thanks to C.S. Carr for his assistance with the translation of the documents and to Miss P. Carter for the typing and retyping.

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It is my desire that this book be distributed as widely as possible; and thus I hereby not only give my consent, but urge the distribution, translation, publication, reprinting and quoting of this book in part or in whole by any person, group or organisation that may wish to so do.

Unfortunately my financial situation made it impossible to distribute this book as widely as I would have liked, and I hope that the step I have taken will inspire others to actively participate in this German warning to the world.

THE AUTHOR
I have taken the liberty of scanning this book, and publishing it on the internet because, like the Author, I believe that it should be read and distributed by as many people as possible before it is too late. Having been involved with the setting up of the Eugenics Watch page I have seen many links which I have tried to highlight. I am sure there will be many that I have missed.
I would also like to point out that I do not speak German, and any German words have had to be copied verbatim from a very imperfect copy of the original, and I would like to thank Dave Parry of Aberdeen for his help with translations and proof-reading.
If (when) you find any mistakes I would appreciate if you would email me so that I can correct them.


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DEDICATION
This book is humbly dedicated to the memory of countless ordinary people - those men, women, children and babies of many races and beliefs, whose lives were taken because they were considered less than perfect and, therefore, unworthy to live.

I hope that this small book will serve in its own way to keep their memory alive and that it will help to remind us all of the price we have to pay when extremists have the power to decide upon our right to live.

TABLE OF CONTENTS
Preface
Chapter 1 ............ Surplus People
Chapter 2 ............ The Survival of the Fittest
Chapter 3 ............ The Führer Appears
Chapter 4 ............ The Secret Seizure of Power
Chapter 5 ............ Useless Bread-gobblers
Chapter 6 ............ The Death Machine
Chapter 7 ............ The Psychiatric Final Solution to the Jewish Question
Chapter 8 ............ The Phoenix
Chapter 9 ............ The Same Old Tune
Authors Note
Bibliography
Appendix

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PREFACE

This book began as an attempt on my part to gain an insight into certain missing or obscure chapters in the history of our country.

Much has already been written, both here and abroad, many attempts made to identity the motives, but I have always felt that the whole story has never been told.

As my inquiries and researches advanced, I began to realise that I had stumbled on something more significant than originally thought.

Germany had not only victimised (and I will not attempt to absolve my country) but had itself become a victim of something far more dangerous and far-reaching than National Socialism, racialism or any other ism. Its foundations were laid in the early 20th century culminating during the period that Hitler set Europe ablaze and it used the insanity of war to disguise much of its activities.

The post-war reforms served as a new cover, and the kernel of a fresh social onslaught lies waiting in several countries today. I discovered that the events in Germany were the background to a few notable facts concerning the 60s and 70s.

It was at this point that I was forced to make a difficult decision. Obviously I had to make the story known to others to warn them, but should I wait until my research was complete (I had no way of knowing how much longer this might take) or should I now publish the facts I had so far collected?

I decided on the latter course. But more work needs to be done, more evidence must be collected, and more must be written. Having revealed part of the truth I hope others will wish to find out more and make their findings known.

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« Reply #29 on: July 28, 2010, 07:06:17 AM »

"Jewish domination of the media."

Had he said that that there is an influential segment of Zionist bent NWO elites, it may have gone down easier.

 These interviewers are on the attack, they want news-headlines, discrediting a high profile indiviudal is headlines and conforms with the Gov agenda. Their priority is to have the celeb responsive and off the defensive, at ease and on a verbal roll. Once that is accomplished they can get their dirt and headlines.

Celebs, carefull, these interviewers are pros, true shiiitdiggers.
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'Stone on the Holocaust: sinister Jews make it seem so bad' - Andrew Bolt

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/stone_on_the_holocaust_its_the_sinister_jews_that_make_it_seem_so_bad/



    The 10-part documentary [which Stone is planning] will address Stalin and Hitler “in context”, he says. “Hitler was a Frankenstein but there was also a Dr Frankenstein. German industrialists, the Americans and the British. He had a lot of support.”

    He also seeks to put his atrocities in proportion: “Hitler did far more damage to the Russians than the Jewish people, 25 or 30m.”
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CrossTalk: Is Israel a Rogue State?
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'Stone on the Holocaust: sinister Jews make it seem so bad' - Andrew Bolt

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/stone_on_the_holocaust_its_the_sinister_jews_that_make_it_seem_so_bad/



    The 10-part documentary [which Stone is planning] will address Stalin and Hitler “in context”, he says. “Hitler was a Frankenstein but there was also a Dr Frankenstein. German industrialists, the Americans and the British. He had a lot of support.”

    He also seeks to put his atrocities in proportion: “Hitler did far more damage to the Russians than the Jewish people, 25 or 30m.”


Why are you mockingbirding their spin?

He never said "Sinister Jews make it seem so bad", he said "others were involved and if we do not expose it they will do it again."

This is the Bilderberg /Tavistock method of actually allowing another hitler to exterminate any race any time which Stone is working on exposing.
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« Reply #33 on: July 28, 2010, 07:29:32 AM »

CrossTalk: Is Israel a Rogue State?
Abso-friggin'-lutley.  (And the U.S is a rabid dog Rogue state, in fairness, at this point.)

BTW, I don't think God wants to hear, "The Neocons and the Zionist-extermists made me do it" or "The Globalists made me do it" for that matter.

When the great Nuremburg in the sky is convened, our various excuses may not even be admissible.
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« Reply #34 on: July 28, 2010, 12:49:00 PM »

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/adl-chief-oliver-stone-s-apology-about-remarks-on-jews-holocaust-insufficient-1.304640?localLinksEnabled=false

As predicted, Abe Foxman, not Ruppert Murdoch is demading that Oliver Stone excersise his lip muscles for some serious puckering or else! Sheesh, Abe Foxman may actually make Stone kiss his pinky ring on Larry King Live before this is all over!
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« Reply #35 on: July 28, 2010, 02:29:57 PM »

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/adl-chief-oliver-stone-s-apology-about-remarks-on-jews-holocaust-insufficient-1.304640?localLinksEnabled=false

As predicted, Abe Foxman, not Ruppert Murdoch is demading that Oliver Stone excersise his lip muscles for some serious puckering or else! Sheesh, Abe Foxman may actually make Stone kiss his pinky ring on Larry King Live before this is all over!

When is Abe going to apologize to the jews?

Police Raid ADL in 1993 because of their Rampant Nazi Tactics and Anti-Semitism
http://www.rense.com/general21/adver.htm
By Dan Evans San Francisco Examiner
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This is the first of a two-part series on the hidden workings of the Anti-Defamation League and how three Bay Area activists were able to uncover a spy operation that reached into the San Francisco Police Department. Today: Paper trail of deceit.
  
By Dan Evans San Francisco Examiner 4-2-2
  
Locked in a nondescript computer database, a shadowy operative named Roy Bullock kept file upon file on liberal San Francisco Jews who disagreed with Israeli policies.
  
The files included Social Security numbers, driver's license numbers, addresses, phone numbers and group memberships. Some of the information was sold to foreign governments, including Israeli and South African intelligence groups.
  
Shockingly, Bullock was in the employ of a civil rights group whose motto is "fighting anti-Semitism, bigotry and extremism": the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith. Numerous targets of the ADL -- who drew parallels to COINTELPRO, the FBI's tainted domestic surveillance program -- say the profiling and covert activities continue to this day.
  
"They are continuing to gather facts," said Abdeen Jabara, a Manhattan attorney and former president of the American Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee. "That, of course, is a euphemism for what we say is private spying."
  
Not only were liberal Jews a target, but information also was kept on labor unions, pro-Palestinian organizations, anti-apartheid groups, American Arabs and anti-Semites. After the Federal Bureau of Investigation broke the case in 1993, a number of these targets filed suit against the ADL. The last lawsuit was recently settled.
  
The settlement in February marked the first time any of the organization's victims were allowed to speak out. Usually, the ADL demands plaintiffs keep quiet as a condition of any settlement.
  
Without those constraints, victims Jeffrey Blankfort, Steve Zeltzer and Anne Poirier are revealing the underbelly of an organization that previously had successfully shielded itself from condemnation. They are using the ADL's own spy as a fulcrum.
  
Bullock's relationship with Blankfort and Zeltzer began when he infiltrated a pro-Palestinian group started by the two, both of whom are Jewish. Once inside, Bullock collected and sold information about the two men to the ADL and, possibly the Mossad, the foreign arm of Israeli intelligence.
  
Although Bullock never met Poirier, he may have sold information on her organization to the South African government. The woman, who lives in Berkeley, ran a scholarship program for South African exiles in the early 1990s. During the course of her lawsuit against the ADL, she discovered the ADL's operative had sold confidential information to a South African agent in San Francisco for $15,000.
  
Poirier had never done any work relating to the Middle East, and she was astounded when she found out that the ADL had kept tabs on her. During her nine-year court fight with the group, she found out more than she needed to know about its operation, and now nothing much surprises her.
  
"They gathered information on anti-apartheid activities," she said, "anyone the organization felt, by definition, would be against Israel because they were too left-wing."
  
A few files, so what?
  
The fact the ADL has a file on a group doesn't imply clandestine activities, said San Francisco regional director Jonathan Bernstein. He resents the implication of the word spying, saying it implies people were being followed around and trailed. That simply wasn't the case, he said, though he acknowledged he never met Bullock.
  
"We have files on the NAACP because we've done collaborative projects with them," he said. "They probably have files on the ADL, too."
  
In Bernstein's eyes, the group's fact-finding operations are one of its most important missions.
  
Much of the time, the "missions" are nothing more than gleaning information from media reports, he said. People employed by the ADL do attend public meetings to keep an eye on people, just as other journalists do.
  
The area's top boss, however, repeatedly sidestepped questions on whether fact-finders employed subterfuge to get information. The fact that some of the people being watched by the ADL were Jewish was immaterial, Bernstein said.
  
Other civil rights groups, such as the Southern Poverty Law Center, do similar things on a limited scale, he said.
  
A representative of the Southern Poverty Law Center, which is headquartered in Birmingham, could not be reached for comment.
  
Because the ADL has 30 regional offices, the organization is much better equipped to ferret out anti-Semitism and other racist behavior.
  
"It can help us to respond to hate activity before someone gets hurt," Bernstein said. "That's the ultimate objective."
  
But are there times when fact-finding becomes a civil rights violation?
  
The San Francisco office of the American Civil Liberties Union, a group one might expect to have a dim view on the tactics employed by the ADL, refused to comment on the group's fact-finding activities. Nor would spokeswoman Rachel Swain give a reason for the silence.
  
Ongoing complaints
  
Groups have been saying for years that the ADL isn't the civil rights organization it claims to be, but no one has been listening. Mostly, it's because those groups have been thinly-veiled anti-Semites, such as the Liberty Lobby, or hate groups such as White Aryan Resistance and the KKK.
  
But, as vile as some of these groups are, there is a significant amount of evidence that their vitriol is not unfounded. For at least four decades, the ADL continuously has tracked and spied on groups it considers not only a threat to the Jewish community, but to the state of Israel.
  
Hussein Ibish certainly thinks so. Ibish is the spokesman for the American Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee -- an organization that is, in many ways, the Arab counterpart to the ADL. Though certainly at odds with many Israeli policies, the ADC is not anti-Semitic, and plays a rather moderate role.
  
"Was the ADL spying on people?" asked Ibish, quickly answering his own question. "Certainly in San Francisco they were. We know they were engaging in illegal activities to gain information. They, and their operatives, were working hand-in-glove with South African intelligence and Israeli intelligence."
  
Meet Mr. Spy
  
By his own admission, Bullock had been working off the books as a fact-finder for the ADL since the mid-1960s. He would infiltrate not only openly anti-Semitic groups, but also pro-Palestinian and anti-apartheid organizations, usually under false pretenses. Bullock, who is not Jewish, would then pass that information along to the ADL.
  
He received information about his targets from former San Francisco Police Inspector Tom Gerard, who fled to the Philippines after being indicted in 1994 for illegal use of a police computer. Gerard's current whereabouts are unknown.
  
Bullock, who no longer does undercover work for the organization, declined to be interviewed for this article.
  
Nobody could have known about the extent of Bullock's surveillance, if police had not seized his computer database in April 1993. It contained thousands of files on liberal Jewish San Franciscans, Arab-Americans, anti-apartheid activists, anti-Semitic groups, and plain ol' white racists.
  
On April 8, 1993, armed with this information, police in San Francisco and Los Angeles searched the ADL offices in those two cities. In San Francisco, roughly 10 banker's boxes of information -- 75 percent of which officers said was illegally obtained -- were seized.
  
A majority of data in those boxes confirmed police suspicions that it had come from Bullock's computer. On that computer was information on 9,876 people, including 1,394 driver's licenses. The files were divided into five categories: "Pinko," "Right," Arabs," "Skins," and "ANC," the last standing for African National Congress.
  
Bullock also told the FBI that he had information on various labor groups. These groups included: the San Francisco Labor Council, the Oakland Educators Association, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, Irish Northern Aid, the International Indian Treaty Council and the Asian Law Caucus.

  
Lawsuits galore
  
After the SFPD raid on the ADL offices, then-District Attorney Arlo Smith filed a lawsuit against the organization to stop the spying. The suit was settled that November. Though the ADL acknowledged no wrongdoing, the group agreed to stop using police to get confidential information. The league also agreed to pay $75,000 to a fund used to help stop hate crime On April 18, 1993, 19 people who Bullock kept files on sued the ADL in San Francisco Superior Court. Pete McCloskey, a former Republican congressman from San Mateo County, was the group's attorney. His wife, Helen, was one of the original plaintiffs.
  
A few months later, in October, the ADC slapped its Jewish counterpart with a similar lawsuit in Los Angeles federal court. The ADC claimed the ADL passed along information on the group to the Israeli government. The ADC's suit was settled in October 1996.
  
The ADL agreed to pay $175,000 toward the Arab group's legal costs. The ADL also agreed to contribute $25,000 to a foundation, administered by the ADL and the ADC, dedicated to improving relations between Jews and Arabs. The ADL was able to deny all wrongdoing.
  
Journalistic enterprise?
  
The McCloskey case, however, would drag on. The main point of contention in that case was whether the ADL could be considered a journalistic enterprise, a point won in court by the ADL.
  
The ADL publishes hundreds of newsletters, papers and books on a wide range of subjects, attorney David Goldstein said. As with any other journalistic enterprise, it contended it was not required to release its confidential information or sources.
  
After a 1998 ruling by the 1st District Court of Appeal, giving the ADL journalistic protection, 14 of the remaining 17 plaintiffs -- two had died in the interim -- dropped their cases against the ADL.
  
On Feb. 22, 2002, the ADL settled with Blankfort, Zeltzer and Poirier.
  
What held up the process, said McCloskey, was his clients' refusal to sign a confidentially agreement. The three felt they had been viciously wronged, he said, and wanted to publicize that fact.
  
With the settlement, each of the three plaintiffs received about $50,000. None of the three, or McCloskey, believes the ADL will stop their spying ways.
"It was settled partially out of fatigue," said the attorney. "Everyone figured it might be best if we all just moved on."
  
Even if the case had continued, said Goldstein, there is a debate over how much the three plaintiffs could prove they had been injured. Most of the contested information consisted of Social Security and driver's license numbers, which are hardly difficult items to find.
  
Nine years later, McCloskey is still angry about the case and wants the federal government to revoke the group's tax-exempt status.
  
Since they obviously are working in conjunction with the Israeli government, he said, they should register as such. Referring to themselves as an education group, said the attorney, is simply a sham.

Abraham Foxman is a Rabid Anti-Semite
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/720032-abraham-foxman
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San Francisco : CA : USA | Jun 25, 2008

The head of America's Anti-Defamation League has once again proven what a polarizing and self-destructive person he's become. Attacking an opinion-editorial in Wednesday's Jerusalem Post for promoting the idea that Jewish education is more important than promoting Jewish paranoia, the aging anti-racist vigilante proves that once again his priorities are all wrong, and that he ought to go immediately into retirement.

The reason: Abraham Foxman teaches American Jews that the only way to be properly Jewish is to be consumed by fear, and to live one's life according to such principles. Unfortunately, more Jews believe Foxman than not, because, like the anti-Semites he warns Jews against, Foxman continually strikes fear into the hearts of America's Jewish community. That, in itself, is an anti-Semitic act, worthy of the utmost condemnation.

Its not as though the ADL doesn't know Foxman is a problem. Poll most of it's employees, and they'll tell you that the man is more of a liability than he is of assistance to the organization. After denying the Armenian Holocaust last year (and then reversing his position under duress,) the aging warlord still doesn't get why he gives anti-anti-Semitism and bad name, and why in, the interests of American Jewry, he should shut the hell up.
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« Reply #36 on: July 28, 2010, 08:51:43 PM »

Why are you mockingbirding their spin?

He never said "Sinister Jews make it seem so bad", he said "others were involved and if we do not expose it they will do it again."

This is the Bilderberg /Tavistock method of actually allowing another hitler to exterminate any race any time which Stone is working on exposing.

What? ? ?

They weren't quotation marks, that's Bolt's headline...geezus.

So Errr yes he did, check the link.

There's a difference between ' ' and " "



So before you accuse me of "Mockingbird-ing their spin" try look at the entire forum who repost mainstream media mmmk?

I'm reposting the absurdity and biased of this neocon so people can counter him via comments you can make on his blog.
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« Reply #37 on: July 28, 2010, 09:12:12 PM »

What? ? ?

They weren't quotation marks, that's Bolt's headline...geezus.

So Errr yes he did, check the link.

There's a difference between ' ' and " "



So before you accuse me of "Mockingbird-ing their spin" try look at the entire forum who repost mainstream media mmmk?

I'm reposting the absurdity and biased of this neocon so people can counter him via comments you can make on his blog.

yeah, i jumped the gun, sorry.

whenever i see that crap, i try to put a preamble to the post and not higlight their headline so much like:



Look at the spin the media is doing to demonize Oliver Stone before he exposes the continued threat of another Stalin/Hitler style genocide about to happen in the US...



Something like that. Again, please accept my apology
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« Reply #38 on: July 28, 2010, 09:21:02 PM »

When is Abe going to apologize to the jews?


Apparently never! I still maintain though that the ADL, with their in roads and unfettered access to the mainstream media the local law enforcement, the Justice Department, the FBI, Homeland Security, and the United Nations remain America's (including Jews) #1 threat.
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« Reply #39 on: July 28, 2010, 09:32:24 PM »

I heard what Oliver Stone said on the Michael Smerconish Show on the radio during the evening today.

Even though Oliver Stone was right in saying "The Nazis were worse to The Soviet Union than to The Jews".

Michael Smerconish was totally right about it. He said, "one has nothing to do with the other".

Meaning, "one was a war against somebody's religion, while the other one was a war against a country".

I never thought about it in that way until Michael Smerconish said that.

So, even though it was Oliver Stone's Opinion. It really doesn't make much sense when you analyze it.

By the way, I find it weird that any "Communist Sympathizer" would even "acknowledgment The Nazis".

But, The Nazis were actually "National Socialists", so it doesn't surprise me at all.

That is Communism with a twist.
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