Tsarion: EXPOSED! Another ridiculous attempt to hijack truth by New Age BS

[Clint Webb]

Michael Tsarion, Rosicrucian? (1 of 5) YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1U0pQUj5Wic

it's called credibility. tsarion has it, this you tube poster doesn't. and no, i don't agree with everything tsarion says, but that doesn't make him a rosicrucian. the man calls the queen of england a "beast" for crying out loud.

[Freeski]

oely dokely smokely...

please tell me how it is possible that your argument holds water given the text in the bill of rights.

I would very much like to have that discussion.

and just for the sake of honest debate, I am not under the impression that the organic constitution of 1791 was the work of god and infallible. But I am under the impression that it was finalized (after decades of debate, philisophical thought, rigorous discussions, and thorough consideration) by men who were not only first hand observers of hellish tyranny but also of men whose breadth of knowledge of many things outweighs probably anyone I have ever met.

that being said...en garde

So you think the founders were good, honourable men?

[EvadingGrid]

it's called credibility. tsarion has it, this you tube poster doesn't. and no, i don't agree with everything tsarion says, but that doesn't make him a rosicrucian. the man calls the queen of england a "beast" for crying out loud.

I'm glad you can discern and sieve , unfortuantly some people swallow everything Tsarion says hook line and sinker

[Clint Webb]

oely dokely smokely...

please tell me how it is possible that your argument holds water given the text in the bill of rights.

I would very much like to have that discussion.

i will happily comply. just please identify what you consider my "argument" and how the bill of rights is relevant, since all i said is that the founders were not perfect nor unanimous in their opinions.

[EvadingGrid]

So you think the founders were good, honourable men?

I think they was typical of men of their time and class.

Pity men nowadays we fall well short of the sort of standards these men abided, lived and died by.

[Freeski]

i will happily comply. just please identify what you consider my "argument" and how the bill of rights is relevant, since all i said is that the founders were not perfect nor unanimous in their opinions.

To me, it's their intent that matters. I don't care if a good man f**ks things up!

[Clint Webb]

I'm glad you can discern and sieve , unfortuantly some people swallow everything Tsarion says hook line and sinker

i suspect there are some people you could believe everything they say, but they either say very little or only speak in vagaries and platitudes. anyone with the sheer volume and specificity of a tsarion is going to be wrong on quite a bit on any given night that happens to get recorded and replayed on the interwebs.

[Dig]

it's called credibility. tsarion has it, this you tube poster doesn't. and no, i don't agree with everything tsarion says, but that doesn't make him a rosicrucian. the man calls the queen of england a "beast" for crying out loud.

I do not think he is a complete tool. but man, he really loves himself and his concern for dropping NLP throughout his lectures far outweighs his interest in dropping knowledge IMO.

I think he is great to watch to undersand symbology and symbolism by the elite, but then he holds that symbolism is the charging force when it is just one of the hundreds of tricks the elite use for control.

once it is brought to the surface it is relatively impotent. then it is useful like numerology to side track people in their quest to expose the committee of 300/east india trading company/bilderberg.

"Who are these men that you are afraid of? They are accountants!" -Orson Welles charachter in RKO 281

Here is the agenda at the capstone...

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=180481.0

And if you are truly committed to understand symbology at the highest levels...turn off Tsarion and turn on "Holy Mountain". If you are not offended at lest 20 times by the elite symbolism in that moie then you are not human.

[lord edward coke]

you do realize that these were the arguments used to support the limitations of central government right?

SMELL THE RATS WHO LIE ABOUT THE CONTEXT AND MEANING OF THESE QUOTES, wtf?

are you even trying?

Did you follow the link and read?

Everything patrick Henry warned about has come true!  

Perhaps you need to refresh yourself with ''The secret destiny of America''

Why did they lock themselves up in secret and left almost NO notes.


the First Constitutional Convention which commenced on May 14, 1787 had George Washington presiding. This is the convention that created our current constitution. The procedures and results of this convention have long been held to be legal, ethical, constitutional, patriotic and in every other way proper... it was held in secret. It had a hidden agenda. It was surrounded by clandestine meetings in which numerous deals were struck. The delegates intended to draw vast amounts of new power into the hands of the federal government and they violated every restriction their legislatures tried to impose on them. The First Constitutional Convention was actually a military coup. The history books do not describe it this way, but that is what it was...

It may have been the slickest, smoothest, most well-lubricated coup any nation has ever experienced. To this day, most Americans do not understand what was really done to them. They look back on it all and smile wistfully."

[Dig]

So you think the founders were good, honourable men?

what do you think they were?

[Clint Webb]

I do not think he is a complete tool. but man, he really loves himself and his concern for dropping NLP throughout his lectures far outweighs his interest in dropping knowledge IMO.

I think he is great to watch to undersand symbology and symbolism by the elite, but then he holds that symbolism is the charging force when it is just one of the hundreds of tricks the elite use for control.

once it is brought to the surface it is relatively impotent. then it is useful like numerology to side track people in their quest to expose the committee of 300/east india trading company/bilderberg.

"Who are these men that you are afraid of? They are accountants!" -Orson Welles charachter in RKO 281

Here is the agenda at the capstone...

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=180481.0

And if you are truly committed to understand symbology at the highest levels...turn off Tsarion and turn on "Holy Mountain". If you are not offended at lest 20 times by the elite symbolism in that moie then you are not human.

i think we pretty much agree on this.

what offends my sensibilities is people like jt coyote, sacred cow though he may be, who think they have a monopoly on what the constitution means when the men who signed it themselves didn't all agree, let alone the people who voted to ratify it and actually made it the "law of the land." rather than acting holier than thou, people with strong feelings about the constitution should aim to be persuasive.

[EvadingGrid]

Did you follow the link and read?

Everything patrick Henry warned about has come true! 

Perhaps you need to refresh yourself with ''The secret destiny of America''

Why did they lock themselves up in secret and left almost NO notes.


the First Constitutional Convention which commenced on May 14, 1787 had George Washington presiding. This is the convention that created our current constitution. The procedures and results of this convention have long been held to be legal, ethical, constitutional, patriotic and in every other way proper... it was held in secret. It had a hidden agenda. It was surrounded by clandestine meetings in which numerous deals were struck. The delegates intended to draw vast amounts of new power into the hands of the federal government and they violated every restriction their legislatures tried to impose on them. The First Constitutional Convention was actually a military coup. The history books do not describe it this way, but that is what it was...

It may have been the slickest, smoothest, most well-lubricated coup any nation has ever experienced. To this day, most Americans do not understand what was really done to them. They look back on it all and smile wistfully."

"The Secret Destiny" is subject dear to me.

[Dig]

Did you follow the link and read?

Everything patrick Henry warned about has come true!  

everything all of them said has come true. they said it so that we can be aware of the creeping tyranny inherent in the control freak globalists of the time. we always are threatened and the constitution, although an excellent foundation as part and parcel of the founding documents, is not the holy grail. it is as powerful in protecting liberty as we use it to be. We ultimately are the defenders of freedom.

The history books do not describe it this way, but that is what it was...

It may have been the slickest, smoothest, most well-lubricated coup any nation has ever experienced. To this day, most Americans do not understand what was really done to them. They look back on it all and smile wistfully."

and that is the COINTELPRO argument. It actually was the document that has put a wrench in the NWO gears for centuries. Their plans are continually being threratened by the constitution. It is their number one target...

Thus the COINTELPRO operation that you seem to be ignorant of.

They did it in Germany, Russia, China...

SAME FRICKING ARGUMENTS, i mean how can you be so willfully blind to this historical fact?

[Dig]

i think we pretty much agree on this.

wow, i guess i should stop being an asshole and respect the other members here more often.

thanks dude!

sorry for any tresspasses

[Freeski]

what do you think they were?

The Declaration of Independence is my favourite piece of writing, but to think it may have been some kind of psyop just plain pisses me off. Then again, it is just a piece of paper.

[Clint Webb]

wow, i guess i should stop being an asshole and respect the other members here more often.

thanks dude!

sorry for any tresspasses

lol, no problem. but yes, you should (respect i mean)!!

[Dig]

lol, no problem. but yes, you should (respect i mean)!!

again, sorry. this week has been a bit loopy to say the least

[EvadingGrid]

Is it just me or is this thread getting a little off topic ?

[Freeski]

Is it me or is this thread getting a little off topic ?

Ya but is this thread about Tsarion or the validity of the U.S. Constitution?

[Clint Webb]

Is it me or is this thread getting a little off topic ?

what topic? "tsarion exposed" is no topic at all. he's right on some things, probably inaccurate on others. i think he's generally good natured. some may disagree, but he's hardly in cahoots with the nwo.

[lord edward coke]

and that is the COINTELPRO argument whereas that is a BS argument. It actually was the docuemt that has put a wrench in the NWO gears for centuries. Their plans are continually being threratened by the constitution. It is their number one target...

Thus the COINTELPRO operation that you seem to be ignorant of.

They did it in Germany, Russia, China...

SAME FRICKING ARGUMENTS, i mean how can you be so willfully blind to this historical fact?

Why do you love your BEAST System so much that you get down on your knees and worship it?
Your creature is now your ruler.  
Mat 4:8   Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;  


 Mat 4:9   And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.  


 Mat 4:10   Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.  


 Mat 4:11   Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.  

Government Trap #1: The belief that governments perform socially useful functions that deserve your support.
Government Trap #2: The belief that you have a duty to obey laws.
Government Trap #3: The belief that the government can be counted upon to carry out a social reform you favor.
Government Trap #4: The fear that the government is so powerful that it can prevent you from being free.
Government Trap #5: The belief that government people can do anything better than other people. Government people don?t have any special magical powers.
Government Trap #6: The belief that governments will produce beneficial results. Because government people essentially collect their income at the point of a gun, they don?t have to produce anything worthwhile to survive. In fact, their incentive is to make all problems worse so they can demand more taxes to "solve" the problems.
Government Trap #7: The belief that government represents the people. Governments consist of individuals. Individuals always represent themselves. To think otherwise is a delusion.
Government Trap #8: The belief that government can conjure up resources from thin air. Everything government has, was essentially stolen at the point of a gun.
Government Trap #9: The belief that government provides protection. Just look at the crime statistics.
Government Trap #10: The belief that certain activities or functions must be done by government. Government consists of people. These people don't have any special magical powers.
Government Trap #11: The belief that government must or can control people. Because only individuals control the energy that animates their bodies, it?s really impossible for anyone to control anyone else. However, people can relinquish self-control by choice or unwittingly.
Government Trap #12: The belief that you have to do something about solving the problem of government. You are best off solving your own problems. In addition, you may also want to persuade a few others to solve their own problems. If enough people solved their own problems, the problem of government will disappear.
Government Trap #13: The belief that government exists as a volitional entity. When having to deal with "government," you always have to deal with individual human beings. Realizing this helps make you much more effective in warding off any attempts by individual government people to violate your freedom. Rather than having to handle "the government," you have to handle one or a few specific individuals.
Government Trap #14: The belief that the government?s constitution is a valid, legal contract. All the government constitutions I know of are fraudulent hoaxes. For a contract to be valid it must be entered into knowingly, intentionally, and explicitly. Have you ever signed any so-called "constitution" of any supposed "country?" What if all coercive political systems are fraudulent hoaxes? See #TL07: The Constitution of No Authority .
Government Trap #15: The belief that government can make laws. In the final analysis, the noises and scribbles that emanate from the mouths and pens of government officials are just noises and scribbles. The power you ascribe to these noises and scribbles is your choice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFOUqurUgFk&feature=player_embedded

[EvadingGrid]

Ya but is this thread about Tsarion or the validity of the U.S. Constitution?

Did you watch Tsarions short YouTube bit ?

[Dig]

Ya but is this thread about Tsarion or the validity of the U.S. Constitution?

but that is the nature of the peter josephs and to a lesser extent tsarion (i actually should not compare the two like this. tsarion is someone i respect but am in total disagreement when it comes to the cybergenic agenda and the need to attack the constitution in order to bring it about).

[lord edward coke]

"The Secret Destiny" is subject dear to me.

Care to expound ,Catman?

[Dig]

Why do you love your BEAST System so much that you get down on your knees and worship it?
Your creature is now your ruler.  
Mat 4:8   Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;  


 Mat 4:9   And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.  


 Mat 4:10   Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.  


 Mat 4:11   Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.  

Government Trap #1: The belief that governments perform socially useful functions that deserve your support.
Government Trap #2: The belief that you have a duty to obey laws.
Government Trap #3: The belief that the government can be counted upon to carry out a social reform you favor.
Government Trap #4: The fear that the government is so powerful that it can prevent you from being free.
Government Trap #5: The belief that government people can do anything better than other people. Government people don?t have any special magical powers.
Government Trap #6: The belief that governments will produce beneficial results. Because government people essentially collect their income at the point of a gun, they don?t have to produce anything worthwhile to survive. In fact, their incentive is to make all problems worse so they can demand more taxes to "solve" the problems.
Government Trap #7: The belief that government represents the people. Governments consist of individuals. Individuals always represent themselves. To think otherwise is a delusion.
Government Trap #8: The belief that government can conjure up resources from thin air. Everything government has, was essentially stolen at the point of a gun.
Government Trap #9: The belief that government provides protection. Just look at the crime statistics.
Government Trap #10: The belief that certain activities or functions must be done by government. Government consists of people. These people don't have any special magical powers.
Government Trap #11: The belief that government must or can control people. Because only individuals control the energy that animates their bodies, it?s really impossible for anyone to control anyone else. However, people can relinquish self-control by choice or unwittingly.
Government Trap #12: The belief that you have to do something about solving the problem of government. You are best off solving your own problems. In addition, you may also want to persuade a few others to solve their own problems. If enough people solved their own problems, the problem of government will disappear.
Government Trap #13: The belief that government exists as a volitional entity. When having to deal with "government," you always have to deal with individual human beings. Realizing this helps make you much more effective in warding off any attempts by individual government people to violate your freedom. Rather than having to handle "the government," you have to handle one or a few specific individuals.
Government Trap #14: The belief that the government?s constitution is a valid, legal contract. All the government constitutions I know of are fraudulent hoaxes. For a contract to be valid it must be entered into knowingly, intentionally, and explicitly. Have you ever signed any so-called "constitution" of any supposed "country?" What if all coercive political systems are fraudulent hoaxes? See #TL07: The Constitution of No Authority .
Government Trap #15: The belief that government can make laws. In the final analysis, the noises and scribbles that emanate from the mouths and pens of government officials are just noises and scribbles. The power you ascribe to these noises and scribbles is your choice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFOUqurUgFk&feature=player_embedded

Why do you continue to support the Bilderberg system...

The belief that private banksters rather than constitutional government democratically elected public servants should control the printing of money.

you can repeat the rest using the same structure to expose the nonsense in your post.

[Freeski]

Did you watch Tsarions short YouTube bit ?

I think I did.

[Dig]

what topic? "tsarion exposed" is no topic at all. he's right on some things, probably inaccurate on others. i think he's generally good natured. some may disagree, but he's hardly in cahoots with the nwo.

agreed also, but the cybergenics agenda is crucial. and by exposed, that is what is meant-his support of cybergenics above a constitutional republic which defends the rights of man. he also taught me much about symbology and he is fun to watch. highly engaging.

[EvadingGrid]

The Tsarion short YouTube speech / doc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIhMn3_glpA&feature=channel   part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UV1lh1tEbw&feature=channel  part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDe_a2T9ur0&feature=channel part 3

[Freeski]

agreed also, but the cybergenics agenda is crucial. and by exposed, that is what is meant-his support of cybergenics above a constitutional republic which defends the rights of man. he also taught me much about symbology and he is fun to watch. highly engaging.

There's so much to learn!

[EvadingGrid]

  I dare the next person to post on topic 

[Clint Webb]

I dare the next person to post on topic 

tsarion mispronounces the name of gouverneur morris in constitution con.

[lord edward coke]

If a constitution is created in an unauthorized manner is it a continuation of lawful government? The fact is the Constitution of the United States was never ratified by law and was a revolutionary act and a departure from lawful government. If a constitution
expressly provdes that it may be amended only in a certain way and another way followed, such and attempted amendment is illegal; but if it is acquiesced in it becomes effective as a peaceful revo lution such as took place when the United States Constitution took effect upon the ratification by nine states in spite of the fact that the old Articles of Confederation provided that they should not be amended without unanimous consent of the states.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfb6W2XjisU&feature=player_embedded
The constitution itself whch was the real American revolution. Very little power was in the hands
 of the instituted legislative bodies and leaders. The real civil power was in the hands of the individual freeman where no law could be made except by his consent. They could not rule over their neighbor but were free to rule over themselves and stand equally against injustice their neighbors as well as themselves.

Most Americans opposed the constitution. “Just as the revolutionary Adams opposed the Constitution in Massachusetts, so did Patrick Henry in Virginia, and the contest in that most important State of all was prolonged and bitter. He who in Stamp Act days had proclaimed that there should be no Virginians or New Yorkers, but only Americans, now declaimed as violently against the preamble of the Constitution because it began, ‘We the people of the United States’ instead of ‘We, the State.’ Like many, he feared a ‘consolidated’ government, and the loss of states rights. Not only Henry but much abler men, such as Mason, Benjamin Harrison, Munroe, R.H. Lee were also opposed and debated… others in what was the most acute discussion carried on anywhere…”

“Owing to the way in which the conventions were held, the great opposition manifested everywhere, and the management required to secure the barest majorities for ratification, it seems impossible to avoid the conclusion that the greater part of the people were opposed to the Constitution.”

“It was not submitted to the people directly, and in those days of generally limited suffrage, even those who voted for delegates to the State conventions were mostly of a propertied class, although the amount of property called for may have been slight.”

“A constitution is a body of precepts the purpose off which is to control governmental action until modified in some authorized manner.” “For the most part the English Constitution is unwritten.”
To worship is to give homage, allegiance and service to your king, leader or prince. {mark of the beast}In Egypt the people were compelled by law to work one-fifth of the year for the government and it was called slavery but in most countries today the people pay more than half the years labor to their governments and they call it freedom. Their first fruits are taken, their sons run before their chariots of their armies and their daughter work under their task masters.

[EvadingGrid]

If a constitution is created in an unauthorized manner is it a continuation of lawful government? The fact is the Constitution of the United States was never ratified by law and was a revolutionary act and a departure from lawful government.

Actually it is quiet legal to have a successful rebellion, the problem was if you failed ...

[lord edward coke]

Patrick Henry was not just a rebel in words. Thomas Jefferson became his jealous enemy and slanderer after 1781 but as he neared his own death he wrote, "Our leader was far above all in the Revolution. It is not now easy to say what we should have done without Patrick Henry."

The plan behind the Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union Between the States was to prevent a powerful consolidated government and the inevitable tyranny that always occurs, as we see today.


The Articles of Confederation did not provide for a lucrative way to pay for the Union government because the ones who wrote it liked it that way, vesting all real authority in the thirteen State governments. The last thing they wanted was another tyrannical imperial government such as that they had just got shed of.


Patrick Henry thought the Articles of Confederation and the Union of States that it defined were just right. He was a Virginian, a man of the South, and wanted no part of being merged with Northerners.


To Henry and those like him, the States were republics that required independence from each other. Others, however, demanded that the Articles be modified in a federal convention in Philadelphia in 1787 to provide for taxation to pay off war debt and to give the federal government some authority to represent the whole Union in foreign affairs.


The Articles of Confederation were the supreme law of the land from March, 1781 through March, 1789. At first, Henry was enthusiastic in his support of an American federal government, perhaps because his good Virginian friend, George Washington, was in favor of it. Something happened in 1786 to cause him to become the implacable enemy of federalism.


He learned that John Jay, the foreign secretary, had negotiated a secret agreement with the Spanish government to turn over to Spain exclusive rights to the Mississippi River for thirty years! The six Southern States would have been prohibited from using the river, which they all knew would be indispensable for future commerce and progress.
http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/government/us_constitution/news.php?q=1266343559

[Dig]

Here is my take (if anyone cares).

#1 Michael Tsarion is an absolute gentleman. He's extremely gracious with his time. He did a 4 and a half hour broadcast for crying out loud and never plugged any of his DVD's or books once. In fact, I had to plug his stuff for him because he really cares that much more about the information and that little about promoting his work. And I love his attitude too.

"Some people will pick up my info and throw it back down. Some people will pick it up, throw it down and pick it back up later. And some people will pick it up and understand it immediately. It's not up to me to force anything upon anyone. Everyone is free to do as they please".

yup and most of the proponents of the cybernetics depopulation/enslavement agenda are as personable as hitler, ted turner, bill gates, or margaret sanger was. the issue is that he knows that the cybernetics agenda is not possible with the constitution. it cannot exist in the timeframe they wish it to. their only chance is to attack the constitution from within. i just wish he would be more honest about his ineffible desire to assist the cybergenics agenda. I think his not admitting this is very "ungentlemanly" to say the least.

#2 The founding fathers were, well. Let me put it like this. If they were living today, we would be holding pitchforks and torches against them for who they were as people. Even their secret society ties, the children's bodies found underneath Ben Franklin's home, etc. etc.

who are you talking about? the only one you mention is franklin who ain't got nothing on Dick Cheney who has no pitchforks against him. you really are brainwashed with scary statues and talismans and boogie boogie boogie. a tale told by an idiot filled with sound and fury and signifying nothing...save for a complete revision of history that COINCIDENTLY fits the bilderberg agenda.

#3 Regardless of who they are personally, this doesn't discount the idea of what the Constitution/ Bill of Rights and Declaration stand for. What they stand for, to us. And that is freedom from an oppressive government and basic fundamental human rights drawn out on a piece of paper for all to read. Stone would have been a better choice in my opinion (giving it a different and more profound meaning) but that's neither her or there.

okiedokie

#4 Michael is a master of symbolism. He see's symbols in everything.

that seems to be part of the problem.

I'm not too sure if the wording in the declaration is an "error" or intentionally talismanic,

or Tsarion's mastery is unbounded by reality and he can actually create something from nothing.

but I can say it's a very interesting perspective and one that echoes the idea that the Bill Of Rights makes people falsely believe that a "government" can take away those rights because they are the ones who wrote the document.

that is indeed a very interesting perspective because anyone who believes that is in denial or has less than 8th grade level reading skills.

Even I was fooled by this for a little while, thinking they are "taking away our rights" by "changing" the constitution when in fact they were infringing upon rights and using that as an excuse.

"The moment you think you got it figured, you're wrong."
-The Shooter

So, take it for what it is.

okay

#5 I am very disappointed to see this thread renamed because I know Carlee view on this matter and the title is completely the opposite of what she intended it to be. I've been a victim of this too. The mods need to understand that by re-naming threads in this fashion that you paint a picture of a person that is not true - which is the same thing Fox News or CNN would do and has done to people in this "movement". It's equivalent to taking sound bytes out of context. So I move for a new forum rule that says if a mod renames a thread, the mod has to write "Renamed by ______: before the title.

omfg, you are a "victim"? is this for real?

we can stick something in the op on request, please pm them.

Stephens, Inc. must be laughing their asses off at these kind of claims of "victimhood"

[Dig]

Patrick Henry was not just a rebel in words. Thomas Jefferson became his jealous enemy and slanderer after 1781 but as he neared his own death he wrote, "Our leader was far above all in the Revolution. It is not now easy to say what we should have done without Patrick Henry."

The plan behind the Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union Between the States was to prevent a powerful consolidated government and the inevitable tyranny that always occurs, as we see today.

The Articles of Confederation did not provide for a lucrative way to pay for the Union government because the ones who wrote it liked it that way, vesting all real authority in the thirteen State governments. The last thing they wanted was another tyrannical imperial government such as that they had just got shed of.

Patrick Henry thought the Articles of Confederation and the Union of States that it defined were just right. He was a Virginian, a man of the South, and wanted no part of being merged with Northerners.

To Henry and those like him, the States were republics that required independence from each other. Others, however, demanded that the Articles be modified in a federal convention in Philadelphia in 1787 to provide for taxation to pay off war debt and to give the federal government some authority to represent the whole Union in foreign affairs.

The Articles of Confederation were the supreme law of the land from March, 1781 through March, 1789. At first, Henry was enthusiastic in his support of an American federal government, perhaps because his good Virginian friend, George Washington, was in favor of it. Something happened in 1786 to cause him to become the implacable enemy of federalism.

He learned that John Jay, the foreign secretary, had negotiated a secret agreement with the Spanish government to turn over to Spain exclusive rights to the Mississippi River for thirty years! The six Southern States would have been prohibited from using the river, which they all knew would be indispensable for future commerce and progress.
http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/government/us_constitution/news.php?q=1266343559

fourwinds? what happened? stormfront had server issues? i sure hope we are not breaking their copyright policies by reposting their horse shit on a truth forum.

[citizenx]

i sure hope we are not breaking their copyright policies by reposting their horse shit on a truth forum.

Are you being serious.

You have stated elsewhere it is only MSM articles that we musn't reproduce completely?

[Dig]

Are you being serious.

You have stated elsewhere it is only MSM articles that we musn't reproduce completely?

it was a joke, sheesh. i was trying to make fun of the idea of a risk at posting something which damages the credibility of this forum in the first place.

[citizenx]

Ok then.  Sorry for being so serious myself.

(BTW, I think it is relevant to study periods in history (prior to WWII) in which our nation has also struggled against foreign domination.)

So, in that case:

"The United States Remains a British Colony III"
from moneyteachers.org

When the English Aristocracy and their Bankster Allies opposed Lincoln, in favor of the South, he issued the Emancipation Proclamation. The British people were opposed to slavery and the Proclamation drove a wedge between them and the Crown. In one stroke, Lincoln destroyed any hope the Southern States had of an open alliance with England and France.

The Banksters took a new approach. They focused their efforts at regaining control of Congress and the Republican Party. Money is the "milk-blood" of politics, and they prevailed. Lincoln was forced into a series of compromises near the end of the Civil War that doomed any chance of economic independence from the Bank of England and her minions in the US.  In the words of the Chancellor of Germany (Otto Von Bismarck):

"The division of the United States into federations of equal force was decided long before the Civil War by the high financial powers of Europe. These bankers were afraid that the US, if they remained as one block, and as one nation, would attain economic and financial independence, which would upset their financial domination over the world." (Source)

With the passage of the National Bank Act, Lincoln's plans for true independence from Great Britain vanished.

"From this point on the entire US money supply would be created out of debt by bankers buying US government bonds and issuing them from reserves for bank notes. The greenbacks continued to be in circulation until 1994, their numbers were not increased but in fact decreased. "In numerous years following the war, the Federal Government ran a heavy surplus. It could not (however) pay off its debt, retire its securities, because to do so meant there would be no bonds to back the national bank notes. To pay off the debt was to destroy the money supply." (Ibid)

The reality is, that the banksters and the Bank of England lend our government its currency and charge us interest for using it (via the bonds backing it). The other reality is, that the Southern States were manipulated into a war with the North by their plantation aristocracy, who, in turn were manipulated by the Banksters of England. The whole goal was to create debt and financial slavery for ALL of the United States. The political goal was to keep us chained down to colonial status and destroy the Republic.

If the Civil War had succeeded, the Northern States would have been claimed by France, and the South would have gone to England, just as Hamilton had predicted in the "Federalist". The Rothschilds in France and England wanted to end the "Great Experiment" once and for all.

Fortunately for the North, the Czar of Russia had also resisted Rothschild demands to establish a central bank in his empire. He threatened war with France and England if they declared war on the Northern States. He even sent the Russian Navy to back up the threat with force.

The North was able to win the war and Lincoln had the political clout necessary to destroy the endless outflow of wealth to the English and French, via the Rothschilds, once and for all. As a result, he was murdered by their agents. Rothschild agents in Russia, posing as anarchists, also tried to dispatch the Czar through various assassination attempts starting in 1866. They finally succeeded in 1881.

Next came the attack on the interest-free greenbacks:

"On April 12th in 1866, the American congress passed the Contraction Act, allowing the treasury to call in and retire some of Lincoln's greenbacks...  To give the American public the false impression that they would be better off under the gold standard, the money changers used the control they had to cause economic instability and panic the people. This was fairly easy to do by calling in existing loans and refusing to issue new ones, a tried and proven method of causing depression." (ibid)

The gold standard was held up by the Banksters as a means of weaning people off of their free paper currency. Economic instability made the American public desperate for a solution. The Bankster owned media railed against Lincoln's Greenbacks as the villain, when in fact, it was the removal of Greenbacks from the system that was causing the chaos.

"The supply of Greenbacks went from:
$1.8 billion in circulation in 1866 allowing $50.46 per person,
to $1.3 billion in 1867 allowing $44.00 per person,
to $0.6 billion in 1876 making only $14.60 per person and down
to $0.4 billion only ten years later leaving only $6.67 per person
and a continually growing population." (ibid)

With the retraction of the "Greenback", the Bank of England next sought to remove silver, as legal tender currency in the United States:

"By 1872 the American public was beginning to feel the squeeze, so the Bank of England...  sent Ernest Seyd, with lots of money, to bribe congress into de-monetizing silver. Ernest drafted the legislation himself, which came into law with the passing of the Coinage Act, effectively stopping the minting of silver that year. Here's what he said about his trip, obviously pleased with himself. "I went to America in the winter of 1872-73, authorized to secure, if I could, the passage of a bill demonetizing silver. It was in the interest of those I represented - the governors of the Bank of England - to have it done. By 1873, gold coins were the only form of coin money." (ibid.)

Gold is such a rare commodity that it is impossible to use it as the only National currency. Silver and Gold together, have formed the foundation of solid economies throughout the ages. By removing silver from the equation, the Satanic Psychopaths were able to create an artificial demand for whatever currency they wanted to foist upon an unsuspecting public.

More in the next article....

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"CONSTITUTOR, civil law. He who promised by a simple pact to pay the debt of another; and this is always a principal obligation."

Amendment 14 - Citizenship Rights. Ratified 7/9/1868.
"4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned."