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« Reply #200 on: October 18, 2010, 08:24:28 AM »



You’re seemingly talking about “extra sensory perception”-ufos and phenomena
..while I’m talking about real physical machines

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« Reply #201 on: October 18, 2010, 08:26:28 AM »

You’re seemingly talking about “extra sensory perception”-ufos and phenomena
..while I’m talking about real physical machines

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« Reply #202 on: October 18, 2010, 08:37:00 AM »

To all those looking at the work of William Lyne look at 1 thing. His compass. He claims he has aqquired a slave compass from a Nazi UFO. His compass is in fact from a Heinkel 111 Bomber and other companies make the EXACT same component down to the part number so that piece of his information is pure hooey.

This seems to me more like what is really happening and if you all look into this with seriousness you will find it all paints the perfect picture and makes the most sense.


Hey.
Lyne’s slave-compass actually from a bomber ..could be
I usually don’t even remember the compass-thing, but focus on other things about the subject.
There is so much more that is pointing to “saucers” being man-made, and principles it operates on can be shown in other human electrical scientific discoveries.

Then there is Tesla’s own statements about his ‘flying machine’
Tesla clearly describes his ‘flying machine’ having ‘anti-gravity abilities’
-It has no wings, no propellers and no gas bags.
-It can be held in the air, completely stationary for long periods of time.
-The craft is not effected by winds or turbulence(holes in the air).
-This “box like” flying machine can be built in to any size, and it can carry any weight desired


Quote from:  TESLA'S NEW MONARCH OF MACHINES
by Nikola Tesla -New York Herald Tribune, Oct. 15, 1911


“The flying machine of the future—my flying machine—will be heavier than air, but it will not be an aeroplane. It will have no wings. It will be substantial, solid, stable. You cannot have a stable airplane. The gyroscope can never be successfully applied to the airplane, for it would give a stability that would result in the machine being torn to pieces by the wind, just as the unprotected aeroplane on the ground is torn to pieces by a high wind.
“My flying machine will have neither wings nor propellers. You might see it on the ground and you would never guess that it was a flying machine. Yet it will be able to move at will through the air in any direction with perfect safety, higher speeds than have yet been reached, regardless of weather and oblivious of “holes in the air” or downward currents. It will ascend in such currents if desired. It can remain absolutely stationary in the air, even in a wind, for great length of time. Its lifting power will not depend upon any such delicate devices as the bird has to employ, but upon positive mechanical action.”


“You will get stability through gyroscopes?” I asked.

“Through gyroscopic action of my engine, assisted by some devices I am not yet prepared to talk about,” he replied. “Powerful air currents that may be deflected at will, if produced by engines and compressors sufficiently light and powerful, might lift a heavy body off the ground and propel it through the air,” I ventured, wondering if I had grasped the inventor’s secret.
Dr. Tesla smiled an inscrutable smile.
“All I have to say on that point is that my airship will have neither gas bag, wings nor propellers,” he said. “It is the child of my dreams, the product of years of intense and painful toil and research. I am not going to talk about it any further. But whatever my airship may be, here at least is an engine that will do things that no other engine ever has done, and that is something tangible.” .

http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1911-10-15.htm



Quote from:  Excerpt from “My Inventions” Ben Johnston Editor, Chap. VI, last page
“ As stated on a previous occasion, when I was a student at college I conceived a
flying machine quite unlike the present ones. The underlying principle was sound but
could not be carried into practice for want of a prime-mover of sufficiently great activity.
In recent years I have successfully solved this problem and am now planning aerial
machines devoid of sustaining planes, ailerons, propellers, and other external attachments
which will be capable of immense speeds and are very likely to furnish powerful
arguments for peace in the future. Such a machine, sustained and propelled entirely by
reaction, is shown on page 108 (here: second last picture) and is supposed to be
controlled either mechanically or by wireless energy.”


Quote from:  Excerpt from “The boy’s book of new inventions – The Tesla Turbine” 1912:

 “But most of your research has been in electricity,” Tesla was reminded, for no one
can forget that Tesla’s inventions largely have made possible most of the world’s greatest
electrical power developments.
“Yes,” he answered, “but I was a mechanical engineer before I was an electrical
engineer, and besides, this principle was worked on in the course of my search for the
ideal motor for airships, to be used in conjunction with my invention for the wireless
transmission of electrical power. For twenty years I worked on the problem, but I have not
given up. When my plan is perfected the present-day aeroplanes and dirigible balloons will
disappear, and the dangerous sport of aviation, as we know it now with its hundreds of
accidents, and its picturesque birdmen, will give way to safe, seaworthy airships, without
wings or gas bags, but supported and driven by mechanical means.
“As I told you before when we were talking of the wireless transmission of power,
the mechanism will be a development of the principle on which my turbine is constructed.
It will be so tremendously powerful that it will make a veritable rope of air above the great
machine to hold it at any altitude the navigators may choose, and also a rope of air in
front or in the rear to send it forward or backward at almost any speed desired. When that
day comes, airship travel will be as safe and prosaic as travel by railroad train today, and
not much very different, except that there will be no dirt, and it will be much faster. One
will be able to dine in New York, retire in an aero Pullman berth in a closed and perfectly
furnished car, and arise to breakfast in London.”
….
“And so, while we are waiting for the world-moving wireless transmission of power
and for the completion of Tesla’s invention for the safe and stable airships, we can look for
the speedy development of his turbine in practically all departments of mechanical
engineering.”

On this quote, Nikola Tesla describe his ‘flying machine resembling a ‘gas stove’..


Quote from:  Excerpt from “Man out of Time” by M. Cheney, Chapter 20 “Flying Stove”

“ When the manager of Westinghouse’s railway and lighting division wrote asking
for details on the turbine, Tesla replied confidently that it was superior to anything in the
competition in terms of extreme lightness and high performance. Indeed, he said, he was
planning to use it in a box-like flivver airplane.
“You should not be at all surprised,” he wrote, “if some day you see me fly from
new York to Colorado Springs in a contrivance which will resemble a gas stove and weigh
as much.” (The plane would weigh only eight hundred pounds and could if necessary
enter and depart through a window.)”




Tesla describing his wingless flying machine that has no propellers (or turbines) which still can be built to any size and which can carry any load possible



Quote from:  Excerpt from “Tesla Promises Big Things - Planeless, screwless air-ship safe in any storm” Sept.
15, 1911:

 “Dr. Nikola Tesla leaned back against his chair at the Waldorff last night and talked
calmly of airships without planes, propellers or any of the other gear of the now familiar
aeroplanes hurtling through space at tremendous speeds or driving more slowly carrying
great loads, and in either case always as safely as the most prosaic of wheeled vehicles.”
….
“How about aerial navigation?” Dr. Tesla was asked. He considered for a moment
or two and then replied with great deliberation:
“The application of this principle will give the world a flying machine unlike anything
that has ever been suggested before. It will have no planes, no screw propellers or
devices of any kind hitherto used. It will be small and compact, excessively swift, and,
above all, perfectly safe in the greatest storm. It can be built of any size and can carry any
weight that may be desired”



All quotes, and more about his ‘electric-flying machine’ are on this pdf:
Tesla’s (real) Flying Machine
http://pritchardschool.com/Teslas_Flying_Machine.pdf


FROM THE ARTICLE

...And that's the truth right there.

And a lot of people are going to know this pretty soon; I'm not the only one that knows what's going on here. This is all written down, by the way, in ancient texts from India, all of this.


In ancient Indian scriptures ..they didn’t know the true shape of our planet, they didn’t know it was a ‘sphere’ ..they thought Earth was flat with ‘four islands around mount Meru’

And also they called the other planets of our solar system ‘chakras’, which is a word for a ‘wheel’ or a ‘disc’

So there really is no evidence that would support that humans really left this planet with “vimanas” or that they even flew around it = cause they thought that Earth was a flat disc.

Ancient Egyptians, Mesopotamians, Chinese and the Bible present a ‘flat’ Earth, so there is no proof of these ancient-ufo’s in the scriptures thou they talk about “flying chariots” ..which were at first drawn by animals ..ancient Egyptian also held that the Sun moved in the sky by a boat and sunk into muddy water every night ..so this all thels us that ancient humanity analyzed everything from the ground level of our planet, and that they never got any Extra-planetary, or planetary-outsider’s help in these things.

And it is the same thing with the meso-americans also, althou many ufologist claim that ufo-aliens visited the Maya-people ..flat Earth “other planets” were thought to be stars (wandering stars)

But myths are easy to create cause you never have to prove anything, but only to claim that it is ancient “lost knowledge” ..and illuminati-occultists invent this stuff quite abit nowadays ..this ancient super-advanced civilization-lore ..and ofcourse they are from these lineages

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« Reply #203 on: October 18, 2010, 08:56:40 AM »

Really? And how come it was not re-invented later? How come there is not an "anti gravity technology underground?" If it was to be economically feastible back then, it would have been easily creatable in a garage... see my above post.

Remember that they had no advanced materials, very little in plasts, they had refining, fine, we can buy any fractional petroleum material on the free market. They had some finer metals, but nothing unobtainable. Lastly, they had no applied relativity and no quantum physics, they thought atoms were composed of undividable protons, electrons and neutrons and look kinda like the solar system. And they had no advanced assembly machines. Oh, and no computers too, so no authomatics beyond what you can see on a steam engine or a locomotive. Yes, a primitive and horribly expensive and inefficient electrical engine that was state of the art. Now we have literally thousand times better ones in every way.

Come on...

ehem, what about knowledge? all that you've mentioned is useless and irrelavant unless you know what to do in the first place.

knowledge is power.

Tesla's work has been suppressed for almost a century, ive recently heard some mobile phone company is starting to use parts of his work, but largely it is dismissed and hidden.

why not judge it on the facts, rather than what you think is "possible" in your garage...
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« Reply #204 on: October 18, 2010, 09:08:39 AM »

Dok and ches: Actually... what if the "omnipresent Aetheric field" which in that theory would quite correctly be called the "Akasha" were the source of Dok's "spiritual things" AND of "real matter and energy" at the same time. Actually from observations of the human mind, this makes perfect sense. Of course, to prove something like this so that one does not just talk pseudoscientific gibberish is another thing entirelly.
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« Reply #205 on: October 18, 2010, 09:12:55 AM »

Interesting that phase four of the bluebeam plan concerns integrating technology and supernatural phenomena.

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Universal Supernatural Manifestations via Electronics

The third orientation in the fourth step is a mixture of electronic and supernatural forces. The waves used at that time will allow "supernatural forces" to travel through optical fibers, coaxial cables (TV) electrical and phone lines in order to penetrate to everyone at once through major appliances. Embedded chips will already be in place. The goal of this deals with global Satanic ghosts projected all around the world in order to push all populations to the edge of hysteria and madness, to drown them into a wave of suicide, murder and permanent psychological disorders. After the Night of the Thousand Stars, worldwide populations will be ready for the new messiah to re-establish order and peace at any cost, even at the cost of abdication of freedom.

http://www.educate-yourself.org/cn/projectbluebeam25jul05.shtml

Also, if Nazi Germany indeed developed successful “flying disks”, then where did the information come from that was fed to the scientists?

Can’t find it right now but I remember a logo of some “sisterhood” that channeled for the Nazi government. It was alleged to be the source of secret technological information to develop flying disks.  The main feature was long hair, usually in a ponytail.  May have been the VRIL society, which ties to the Thule society.

I also think that Tesla's ideas could have been hijacked and further developed in Germany without his knowledge/approval as well.
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« Reply #206 on: October 18, 2010, 09:23:16 AM »

Dok and ches: Actually... what if the "omnipresent Aetheric field" which in that theory would quite correctly be called the "Akasha" were the source of Dok's "spiritual things" AND of "real matter and energy" at the same time. Actually from observations of the human mind, this makes perfect sense. Of course, to prove something like this so that one does not just talk pseudoscientific gibberish is another thing entirelly.

When the Germans developed Quantum Theory and Mechanics the Aether plays a big role in it. seems to work too.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/468538/Farrell-Reich-of-the-Black-Sun-Nazi-Secret-Weapons-the-Cold-War-Allied-Legend

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(1) The rejection of relativity meant to a certain extent that the
pre-relativistic idea of an aether lumeniferous regained some
currency, via its quantum mechanics version of zero point
energy or vacuum flux. German scientists were therefore
not free to pursue relativistic science, but were free to
investigate the enigmatic properties of this new "quantum
aether." Indeed, with various esoteric and occult doctrines
percolating in the background, such as the notion of "vril"
energy, and Reichenbach's early and well-known
experiments in the 18th century on "life force" energy, the
Germans would have been positively encouraged by the
underlying ideology to undertake experimental examination
of its properties as far as existing technology would allow;
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« Reply #207 on: October 18, 2010, 09:40:36 AM »

Interesting that phase four of the bluebeam plan concerns integrating technology and supernatural phenomena.

Also, if Nazi Germany indeed developed successful “flying disks”, then where did the information come from that was fed to the scientists?

Can’t find it right now but I remember a logo of some “sisterhood” that channeled for the Nazi government. It was alleged to be the source of secret technological information to develop flying disks.  The main feature was long hair, usually in a ponytail.  May have been the VRIL society, which ties to the Thule society.

I also think that Tesla's ideas could have been hijacked and further developed in Germany without his knowledge/approval as well.

It was the Vril's that supposedly channeled a lot of the Nazi technology.
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« Reply #209 on: October 18, 2010, 11:02:05 AM »

It was the Vril's that supposedly channeled a lot of the Nazi technology.

Here’s the pic I was looking for with the Vril logo….
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« Reply #210 on: October 18, 2010, 11:39:22 AM »

Let us clarify what "Vril" is. I have read Edward Bulwer-Lytton's "Vril: The Power of the Coming Race" and it is basically a "Hollow Earth" story.



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Vril is a substance described in Edward Bulwer-Lytton's 1871 novel The Coming Race, which was later reprinted as Vril: The Power of the Coming Race. The novel is an early example of science fiction. However, many early readers believed that its account of a superior subterranean master race and the energy-form called "Vril" was accurate, to the extent that some theosophists accepted the book as truth. Furthermore, since 1960 there has been a conspiracy theory about a secret Vril Society.

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The legend has received a further layer of elaboration from recent authors like Raymond Bernard who conflate Bulwer-Lytton's "Coming Race" with speculations about interior civilizations which live on the inside of the Hollow Earth. (The concept of a hollow earth was first advanced by Edmond Halley at the end of the seventeenth century.) By contrast, Bulwer-Lytton's subterranean people dwelt in caverns within the crust of a solid earth. The world of the Vril-ya is always described as being underground tunnels, artificially lit (using Vril). The book contains no suggestion of a hollow earth; theories of this kind are only found in subsequent works.

Willy Ley was a German rocket engineer who had emigrated to the United States in 1937. In 1947, he published an article entitled "Pseudoscience in Naziland" in the science fiction magazine Astounding Science Fiction. There he attempted to explain to his readers how National Socialism could have fallen on such a fertile ground in Germany. He explained this with the high popularity of irrational convictions in Germany during the time. Among other pseudo-scientific groups he mentions a very peculiar one: "The next group was literally founded upon a novel. That group which I think called itself Wahrheitsgesellschaft - Society for Truth - and which was more or less localized in Berlin, devoted its spare time looking for Vril."

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The article by Ley, and two small pamphlets by a "Reichsarbeitsgemeinschaft‚ Das kommende Deutschland", that describe a perpetual motion based on Vril, are the only real basis for the speculation that set off later. The Society for Truth that Ley describes was conducting 'research' on the existence of Vril. One can assume that it did not succeed, since the existence of Vril would not comply with common physics. However, it may not be related in any way to Nazi organizations. On the other hand, theories around the Nazi's wonder weapons might support links to research to the existence and application possibilities of Vril, for example in the purported top secret and highly sensitive scientific technological device Die Glocke.

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Die Glocke (German for "The Bell") is the name of a purported top secret Nazi scientific technological device. The only source for this is the books of Polish aerospace defence journalist and military historian Igor Witkowski, which claims it to be a secret weapon, or Wunderwaffe. The topic has been popularized by military journalist and author Nick Cook as well as by conspiracy theory writers such as Joseph P. Farrell. Farrell and others associate it with Nazi occultism and antigravity or free energy  research. However, other researchers such as aerospace expert David Myhra view it merely as a rumor of a peculiar rocket design without a mystical background akin to the V-2 rocket program.



And here we get into the territory of Franz Mesmer, hypnosis, "Animal Magnatism" and mind control. One would be foolish to assume that the Nazi scientists had no secret weapons. After all with limited resources and almost no oil sources other than the technologically complex "cracking of coal" the Nazi's were advancing their weapons technology at an almost unbelievable rate. Operation Paperclip is evidence to the fact the American Government were paranoid that the Russians would get their hand on the German scientists first.

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« Reply #211 on: October 18, 2010, 12:05:57 PM »

from the book,

Invisible Eagle
By
Alan Baker
The History of Nazi Occultism


3 - A hideous strength

The Vril Society

We have now reached the point in our survey of Nazi involvement with the occult where
we must depart from what is historically verifiable and enter an altogether more obscure
and murky realm, a place that Pauwels and Bergier call the 'Absolute Elsewhere'. (1)

Serious historians (at least, those who deign to comment on the subject at all) regard the
material we shall be examining for the rest of this book with contempt - and, it must be
said, not without good reason. Much of what follows may well strike the reader as bizarre
and absurd in equal measure; and yet, as we shall see, amongst the notions we are about
to address (products, apparently, of fevered imaginations) will be found unsettling hints of
a thread running through the collective mind of humanity in the late twentieth century -
ominous, dangerous and, by the majority, unseen.

As we shall see, the 'twilight zone between fact and fiction' can produce significant shifts
in our collective awareness of the world, our place in it and the unstated intentions of
those who rule us. The world view of those who subscribe to the idea of genuine Nazi
occult power includes a number of outrageous conspiracy theories that revolve around the
claim that many leading Nazis (including, according to some, Hitler himself) escaped from
the ruins of Berlin and continue with their plans for world domination from some hidden
headquarters. At first sight, these theories can surely have little to do with known reality.

And yet, the idea that the American Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) could have
smuggled many personnel from Nazi intelligence and the German secret weapons
programme into the United States in the post-war years might likewise seem outlandish -
until we remember that this, too, is a documented historical fact. Project PAPERCLIP
proves that some senior elements of the Third Reich did indeed survive in this way, their
lives bought with scientific and military knowledge that the American government
desperately wanted.

So, for the rest of this book, we shall concentrate on the elements of Nazi occultism that
find no home in orthodox history but that nevertheless stretch their pernicious tentacles
through modern popular and fringe culture and refuse to vanish in the glare of the light of
reason. The Vril Society, our departure point into the Absolute Elsewhere, might seem to
have been better placed in the first chapter, were it not that there is so little evidence for
its influence over the activities of the Third Reich. In spite of this, it has come to occupy a
central position in the dubious study of Nazi occult power and so demands a chapter of its
own. But what was the strangely named Vril Society?

The first hint of the Vril Society's existence was discovered in a scene that would not have
been out of place in one of Dennis Wheatley's occult thrillers. On 25 April 1945, so the
story goes, a group of battle-weary Russian soldiers were making their cautious way
through the shattered remnants of Berlin, mopping up the isolated pockets of German
resistance that remained in the heart of the Third Reich. The soldiers moved carefully from
one wrecked building to another, in a state of constant readiness against the threat of
ambush.

In a ground-floor room of one blasted building, the soldiers made a surprising discovery.
Lying in a circle on the floor were the bodies of six men, with a seventh corpse in the
centre. All were dressed in German military uniforms, and the dead man in the centre of
the group was wearing a pair of bright green gloves. The Russians' assumption that the
bodies were those of soldiers was quickly dispelled when they realised that the dead men
were all Orientals. One of the Russians, who was from Mongolia, identified the men as
Tibetans. It was also evident to the Russian soldiers that the men had not died in battle
but seemed to have committed suicide. Over the following week, hundreds more Tibetans
were discovered in Berlin: some of them had clearly died in battle, while others had
committed ritual suicide, like the ones discovered by the Russian unit. (2)

What were Tibetans doing in Nazi Germany towards the end of the Second World War?
The answer to this question may be found in a curious novel entitled The Coming Race by
Edward Bulwer-Lytton (1803-1873), first Baron Lytton. A prolific and very successful writer
(his output included novels, plays, essays and poetry) Bulwer-Lytton was considered in his
lifetime to be one of the greatest writers in the English language. Unfortunately, his
reputation for vanity, ostentation and eccentricity attracted a good deal of hostility from the
press and this has damaged his subsequent literary reputation to a disproportionate
extent, with the result that today his books are extremely hard to find and his work is
seldom - if at all - taught in universities in the English-speaking world. (3)

Throughout his career, Bulwer-Lytton wrote on many themes, including romance, politics,
history, social satire, melodrama and the occult. It is perhaps unsurprising, therefore, that
he should have turned to the subject of Utopian science fiction with The Coming Race,
published in 1871. In this novel, the narrator, a traveller and adventurer of independent
means, explores a mine in an unnamed location and discovers a vast subterranean world,
inhabited by a superior race of humans called the Vril-ya. Once tenants of the Earth's
outer surface, the Vril-ya were forced to retreat underground by a natural catastrophe
similar to the biblical Flood many thousands of years ago. Their technology is far in
advance of anything to be found in the world of ordinary humanity, and is based on the
application of a force known as 'vril'. Befriended by a young female Vril-ya named Zee, the
narrator asks about the nature of the vril force.

Therewith Zee began to enter into an explanation of which I understood very little, for
there is no word in any language I know which is an exact synonym for vril. I should call it
electricity, except that it comprehends in its manifold branches other forces of nature, to
which, in our scientific nomenclature, differing names are assigned, such as magnetism,
galvanism, &c. These people consider that in vril they have arrived at the unity in natural
energetic agencies, which has been conjectured by many philosophers above ground, and
which Faraday thus intimates under the more cautious term of correlation:
'I have long held an opinion,' says that illustrious experimentalist, 'almost amounting to a
conviction, in common, I believe, with many other lovers of natural knowledge, that the
various forms under which the forces of matter are made manifest have one common
origin; or, in other words, are so directly related and mutually dependent, that they are
convertible, as it were, into one another, and possess equivalents of power in their action.'
(4)

According to Zee, all Vril-ya are trained in the application of vril, which can be used to
control the physical world, including the minds and bodies of others, as well as to enhance
the telepathic and telekinetic potentials of the human mind. The vril force is most often
applied through the use of a device known as the Vril Staff which, like the vril force itself,
requires many years to master. (The narrator is not allowed to hold one, 'for fear of some
terrible accident occasioned by my ignorance of its use'.) The Vril Staff 'is hollow, and has
in the handle several stops, keys, or springs by which its force can be altered, modified, or
directed - so that by one process it destroys, by another it heals - by one it can rend the
rock, by another disperse the vapour - by one it affects bodies, by another it can exercise
a certain influence over minds'. (5)

During his protracted stay in the subterranean realm, the narrator learns of the system of
government by which the Vril-ya live. They are ruled by a single supreme magistrate who
abdicates the position at the first sign of advancing age.
Although their society is entirely free of crime or strife of any kind, they consider strength
and force to be among the finest virtues, and the triumph of the strong over the weak to be
in perfect accordance with Nature. Democracy and free institutions are, to them, merely
the crude experiments of an immature culture.

The government of the tribe of Vril-ya ... was apparently very complicated, really very
simple. It was based upon a principle recognised in theory, though little carried out in
practice, above ground - viz., that the object of all systems of philosophical thought tends
to the attainment of unity, or the ascent through all intervening labyrinths to the simplicity
of a single first cause or principle. Thus in politics, even republican writers have agreed
that a benevolent autocracy would insure the best administration, if there were any
guarantees for its continuance, or against its gradual abuse of the powers accorded to it.
There was ... in this society nothing to induce any of its members to covet the cares of
office. No honours, no insignia of higher rank were assigned to it. The supreme magistrate
was not distinguished from the rest by superior habitation or revenue. On the other hand,
the duties awarded to him were marvellously light and easy, requiring no preponderant
degree of energy or intelligence. (6)

After a number of adventures in the subterranean world -and a great many conversations
with its denizens -the narrator comes to the following conclusion regarding the ultimate
origins of the fantastic Vril-ya race:

[T]his people - though originally not only of our human race, but, as seems to me clear by
the roots of their language, descended from the same ancestors as the great Aryan family,
from which in varied streams has flowed the dominant civilisation of the world; and having,
according to their myths and their history, passed through phases of society familiar to
ourselves, - had yet now developed into a distinct species with which it was impossible
that any community in the upper world could amalgamate: And that if they ever emerged
from these nether recesses into the light of day, they would, according to their own
traditional persuasions of their ultimate destiny, destroy and replace our existent varieties
of man. (7)

Although greatly impressed with the knowledge and accomplishments of the Vril-ya, the
narrator is nevertheless terrified by their power and the ease with which they wield it,
implying at one point that, should he have angered them at any time, they would have had
no compunction in turning their Vril Staffs on him and reducing him to cinders. This
uneasiness, coupled with his natural desire to return to the upper world and the life with
which he is familiar, prompts the narrator to begin seeking a means of escape from the
subterranean world of the Vril-ya. Aid comes in the unlikely form of Zee, who has fallen in
love with him and has attempted to persuade him to stay, but who nevertheless
understands that an unrequited love cannot result in happiness for either of them. It is she
who leads him back to the mine shaft through which he first entered the realm of the Vrilya.
Upon his return home, the narrator begins to ponder the wonders he has beheld far below
the surface of the Earth, and once again hints at the possible dreadful fate awaiting a
blissfully unaware humanity at the hands of the 'Coming Race'. In the final chapter, we
read:

[T]he more I think of a people calmly developing, in regions excluded from our sight and
deemed uninhabitable by our sages, powers surpassing our most disciplined modes
offeree, and virtues to which our life, social and political, becomes antagonistic in
proportion as our civilisation advances, - the more devoutly I pray that ages may yet
elapse before there emerge into sunlight our inevitable destroyers. (Cool

It is an assumption of many occultists that The Coming Race is fact disguised as fiction:
that Bulwer-Lytton based his engaging novel on a genuine body of esoteric knowledge. He
was greatly interested in the Rosicrucians, the powerful occult society which arose in the
sixteenth century and which claimed to possess ancient wisdom, discovered in a secret
underground chamber, regarding the ultimate secrets of the Universe. There is some
evidence that Bulwer-Lytton believed in the possibility of a subterranean world, for he
wrote to his friend Hargrave Jennings in 1854: 'So Rosenkreuz [the founder of the
Rosicrucians] found his wisdom in a secret chamber. So will we all. There is much to be
learned from the substrata of our planet.' (9)

Some writers, including Alec Maclellan, author of the fascinating book The Lost World of
Agharti (1996), have suggested that The Coming Race revealed too much of the
subterranean world, and was as a result suppressed in the years following Bulwer-Lytton's
death in 1873. Indeed, he describes the book as 'one of the hardest to find of all books of
mysticism', (10) and informs us of his own search for a copy, which for some years met
with no success. While doubtless an intriguing piece of stage-setting on Maclellan's part,
the rarity of the book can surely be accounted for by the unjust waning of Bulwer-Lytton's
posthumous literary reputation (mentioned earlier). The present author searched for some
months for a copy of The Coming Race, before finding an extremely affordable paperback
edition in a high-street bookshop.

What is the connection between Bulwer-Lytton's strange novel and Nazi Germany? If
there really was a large colony of Tibetan monks in Berlin in the 1940s, what were they
doing there? It seems that the connection was none other than the Bavarian Karl
Haushofer (1869-1946) whose theories of Geopolitics gave rise to the concept of
Lebensraum (living space), which Hitler maintained would be necessary to the continued
dominance of the superior Aryan race and which he intended to take, primarily, from the
Soviet Union. Haushofer, along with Dietrich Eckart (1868-1923) - an anti-Semitic
journalist and playwright who influenced Hitler's racial attitudes and introduced him to
influential social circles after the First World War - is frequently described by believers in
genuine Nazi occult power as a practising black magician, and the 'Master Magician of the
Nazi Party'. (11)

Haushofer excelled at Munich University, where he began to develop his lifelong interest
in the Far East. After leaving university, he entered the German army, where his great
intelligence ensured a rapid rise through the ranks. His knowledge of the Far East earned
him a posting as military attache in Japan. The idea that Haushofer was an occult adept,
with secret knowledge of powerful trans-human entities, was first suggested by Louis
Pauwels and Jacques Bergier in their fascinating but historically unreliable book The
Morning of the Magicians (which served as the model for a number of subsequent
treatments of Nazi occultism in the 1960s and early 1970s).

According to Pauwels and Bergier:
[Haushofer] believed that the German people originated in Central Asia, and that it was
the Indo-Germanic race which guaranteed the permanence, nobility and greatness of the
world. While in Japan, Haushofer is said to have been initiated into one of the most
important secret Buddhist societies and to have sworn, if he failed in his 'mission', to
commit suicide in accordance with the time-honoured ceremonial. (12)

Haushofer was also apparently a firm believer in the legend of Thule, the lost Aryan
homeland in the far north, which had once been the centre of an advanced civilisation
possessed of magical powers. Connecting this legend with the Thule Society, Pauwels
and Bergier have this to say:

Beings intermediate between Man and other intelligent beings from Beyond would place at
the disposal of the [Thule Society] Initiates a reservoir of forces which could be drawn on
to enable Germany to dominate the world again and be the cradle of the coming race of
Supermen which would result from the mutations of the human species. One day her
legions would set out to annihilate everything that had stood in the way of the spiritual
destiny of the Earth, and their leaders would be men who knew everything, deriving their
strength from the very fountain-head of energy and guided by the Great Ones of the
Ancient World ... It would seem that it was under the influence of Karl Haushofer that [the
Thule Society] took on its true character of a society of Initiates in communion with the
Invisible, and became the magic centre of the Nazi movement. (13)

Serious historians such as Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke take issue with the claims of
Pauwels and Bergier and the later writers who reiterated them. Goodrick-Clarke, who has
perhaps conducted more research into primary German sources than any other writer in
this curious field, states that the claims regarding the secret guiding power of the Thule
Society are 'entirely fallacious. The Thule Society was dissolved in 1925 when support
had dwindled.' He goes on to assure us that 'there is no evidence at all to link Haushofer
to the group1. (14) Nevertheless, Haushofer's alleged skill in the Black Arts has become
an important link in the Nazi occult chain as described by writers on such fringe subjects.
After the end of the First World War, Haushofer returned to Munich, where he gained a
doctorate from the university. He divided his time between teaching and writing and
founded the Geopolitical Review in which he published his ideas on Lebensraum, which
could 'both justify territorial conquest by evoking the colonizing of Slav lands by Teutonic
knights in the Middle Ages and, emotively, conjure up notions of uniting in the Reich what
came to be described as Volksdeutsche (ethnic Germans) scattered throughout eastern
Europe'. (15)

While incarcerated in the fortress of Landsberg am Lech following the failure of the Munich
Putsch in 1924, Adolf Hitler read and was influenced by Haushofer's books on geopolitics
(he had already been introduced to Haushofer by the professor's student assistant, Rudolf
Hess). There is no doubt that Hitler occupied his time in Landsberg judiciously, reading
widely in several fields, though not for the sake of education so much as to confirm and
clarify his own preconceptions. (He later said that Landsberg was his 'university paid for
by the state'). (16)

According to Pauwels and Bergier and other fringe writers, Haushofer visited Hitler every
day in Landsberg, where he explained his geopolitical theories and described his travels
through India in the early years of the century. While in India, he had heard stories of a
powerful civilisation living beneath the Himalayas:

Thirty or forty centuries ago in the region of Gobi there was a highly developed civilization.
As the result of a catastrophe, possibly of an atomic nature, Gobi was transformed into a
desert, and the survivors emigrated, some going to the extreme North of Europe, and
others towards the Caucasus. The Scandinavian god Thor is supposed to have been one
of the heroes of this migration.

... Haushofer proclaimed the necessity of 'a return to the sources' of the human race - in
other words, that it was necessary to conquer the whole of Eastern Europe, Turkestan,
Pamir, Gobi and Thibet. These countries constituted, in his opinion, the central core, and
whoever had control of them controlled the whole world. (17)

After the cataclysm that destroyed the Gobi civilisation, the survivors migrated to a vast
cavern system beneath the Himalayas where they split into two groups, one of which
followed the path of spirituality, enlightenment and meditation while the other followed the
path of violence and materialistic power. The first of these centres was called Agartha, the
other Shambhala. (These names have many different spellings: for Agartha, I use the
simplest; for Shambhala, the spelling favoured by Orientalists.) We shall return for a closer
look to the realms of Agartha and Shambhala in the next chapter.

According to Alec Maclellan, among the many books Hitler read while languishing in
Landsberg was Bulwer-Lytton's The Coming Race, which, Haushofer informed him, was
an essentially correct description of the race of Supermen living far beneath the surface of
the Earth and corroborated much of what the professor had himself learned while
travelling in Asia. Bulwer-Lytton's novel apparently galvanised Hitler's imagination, and he
'began to yearn for the day when he might establish for himself the actuality of the secret
civilization beneath the snows of Tibet ...' (18)

In the following year, 1925, the Vril Society (also known as the Luminous Lodge) was
formed by a group of Berlin Rosicrucians including Karl Haushofer. As Joscelyn Godwin
informs us, there is only one primary source of information on the Vril Society: Willy Ley, a
German rocket engineer who fled to the United States in 1933 and followed a successful
career writing popular science books. In 1947, Ley published an article entitled
'Pseudoscience in Naziland'. Following a description of Ariosophy, Ley writes:
The next group was literally founded upon a novel. That group which I think called itself
Wahrheitsgesellschaft -Society for Truth - and which was more or less localized in Berlin,
devoted its spare time looking for Vril. Yes, their convictions were founded upon Bulwer-
Lytton's 'The Coming Race'. They knew that the book was fiction, Bulwer-Lytton had used
that device in order to be able to tell the truth about this 'power'. The subterranean
humanity was nonsense, Vril was not. Possibly it had enabled the British, who kept it as a
State secret, to amass their colonial empire. Surely the Romans had had it, inclosed [sic]
in small metal balls, which guarded their homes and were referred to as lares. For reasons
which I failed to penetrate, the secret of Vril could be found by contemplating the structure
of an apple, sliced in halves. No, I am not joking, that is what I was told with great
solemnity and secrecy. Such a group actually existed, they even got out the first issue of a
magazine which was to proclaim their credo. (19)

Although they apparently interviewed Ley, Pauwels and Bergier could learn nothing more
from him about this mysterious society; however, they later discovered that the group
actually called itself the Vril Society, and that Karl Haushofer was intimately connected
with it. (Joscelyn Godwin kindly reminds us of the unreliability of the splendid Pauwels and
Bergier: although they cite Jack Fishman's The Seven Men of Spandau with regard to
Haushofer's connection to the Vril Society, Fishman actually makes no such reference.)
(20)

Pauwels and Bergier go on to inform us that, having failed in his mission, Haushofer
committed suicide on 14 March 1946, in accordance with his pledge to his masters in the
secret Japanese society into which he had been initiated. Once again, the truth is
somewhat different: Haushofer did not commit ham kin but died from arsenic poisoning on
10 March. In addition, Ley's reference to 'contemplating the structure of an apple, sliced in
halves' (thus revealing the five-pointed star at its centre) echoes Rudolf Steiner's
suggestion in Knowledge of Higher Worlds and Its Attainment. Indeed, as Godwin reminds
us, (21) the Theosophists were themselves interested in the concept of the vril force,
which bears some resemblance to Reichenbach's Odic force, and to the Astral Light, also
known as the Akashic Records: a subtle form of energy said to surround the Earth, in
which is preserved a record of every thought and action that has ever occurred.

In spite of the sober research of writers like Goodrick-Clarke and Godwin, the idea of an
immensely sinister and powerful Vril Society secretly controlling the Third Reich has lost
nothing of its ability to fascinate. Many still maintain that Haushofer introduced Hitler to the
leader of the group of Tibetan high lamas living in Berlin, a man known only as 'The Man
with the Green Gloves', and that this man knew the locations of the hidden entrances to
the subterranean realms of Agartha and Shambhala. (22)

These rumours doubtless gave rise to the famous legends about Hitler's obsessive search
for the entrances to the inner world. According to Maclellan: 'The first expeditions were
dispatched purely under the auspices of the Luminous Lodge, beginning in 1926, but later,
after coming to power, Hitler took a more direct interest, overseeing the organization of the
searches himself.' (23) Maclellan also states that Hitler believed unequivocally that 'certain
representatives of the underground super-race were already abroad in the world', (24)
citing Hermann Rauschning's famous book Hitler Speaks A Senes of Political
Conversations with Adolf Hitler on his Real Aims (1939). The conversations recorded by
Rauschning have served as source material for many writers on the Third Reich, including
serious ones. Proponents of genuine Nazi occult power have repeatedly pointed to the
mystical elements in Hitler's conversations as relayed by Rauschning, who says that he
repeatedly had the feeling that Hitler was a medium, possessed of supernatural powers. It
seems that on one occasion, Hitler actually met one of the subterranean Supermen.
Rauschning claims that Hitler confided to him: The new man is among us. He is here! Now
are you satisfied? I will tell you a secret. I have seen the vision of the new man - fearless
and formidable. I shrank from him.' (25)

To his credit, Maclellan states that this was more than likely a deranged fantasy on Hitler's
part. However, Rauschning's very description should be treated with extreme caution: it
should be noted that, in spite of the widespread interest it stimulated, Hitler Speaks has
not stood the test of time as an accurate historical document. In fact, Ian Kershaw, one of
the foremost authorities on Hitler and the author of Hitler 1889-1936: Hubris (1998), does
not cite Rauschning's book anywhere in his monumental study, and states that it is 'a work
now regarded to have so little authenticity that it is best to disregard it altogether'. (26)

As the story goes, Hitler ordered a number of expeditions into German, Swiss and Italian
mines to search for the entrances to the cavern cities of the Supermen. He is even said to
have ordered research to be conducted into the life of Bulwer-Lytton, in an effort to
determine whether the author himself had visited the realm of the Vril-ya. While serious
writers ignore these rumours, there is an interesting event on record that Maclellan quotes
in his The Lost World of Agharti and that illustrates the frustrating nature of the 'twilight
zone between fact and fiction' in which we find ourselves when discussing Nazi occultism.
Maclellan cites the testimony of one Antonin Horak, an expert speleologist and member of
the Slovak Uprising, who accidentally discovered a strange tunnel in Czechoslovakia in
October 1944. Dr Horak kept quiet about the discovery until 1965, when he published an
account in the National Speleological Society News. In his article, Dr Horak stated that he
and two other Resistance fighters found the tunnel near the villages of Plavince and
Lubocna (he is quite specific about the location: 49.2 degrees north, 20.7 degrees east).
Having just survived a skirmish with the Germans, the three men (one of whom was badly
injured) asked a local peasant for help. He led them to an underground grotto where they
could hide and rest. The peasant told the Resistance men that the cave contained pits,
pockets of poison gas, and was also haunted, and warned them against venturing too far
inside. This they had no intention of doing, such was their weariness. They attended to the
wounds of their comrade and fell asleep.

The following day, Horak's curiosity got the better of him and, while he waited for the
injured man to recover enough strength to travel again, he decided to do a little exploring
inside the cave. Presently, he came to a section that was completely different from the
rest of the cave. 'Lighting some torches, I saw that I was in a spacious, curved, black shaft
formed by cliff-like walls. The floor in the incline was a solid lime pavement.' (27) The
tunnel stretched interminably into the distance. Dr Horak decided to take a sample of the
wall, but was unable to make any impression with his pickaxe. He took his pistol and fired
at the wall (surely an unwise thing to do, given the risk of a ricochet and with German
soldiers possibly still in the vicinity).

'The bullet slammed into the substance of the walls with a deafening, fiery impact,' he
wrote. 'Sparks flashed, there was a roaring sound, but not so much as a splinter fell from
the substance. Only a small welt appeared, about the length of half my finger, which gave
off a pungent smell.'

Dr Horak then returned to his comrades and told them about the apparently man-made
tunnel. 'I sat there by the fire speculating. How far did it reach into the rocks? I wondered.
Who, or what, put it into the mountain? Was it man-made? And was it at last proof of the
truth in legends - like Plato's - of long-lost civilisations with magic technologies which our
rationale cannot grasp or believe?' (28) No one else, apparently, has explored this tunnel
since Dr Horak in 1944. The peasants who lived in the region obviously knew of its
existence, but kept well away.

In addition to the stories of Nazi mine expeditions in Central and Eastern Europe during
the Second World War, occult writers have frequently made reference to the Nazi Tibet
Expeditions, allegedly an attempt to locate and make contact with a group of high lamas
with access to fantastic power. Once again, Pauwels and Bergier have plenty to say on
this subject, which is in itself enough to give pause to the cautious.

The American researcher Peter Levenda experienced a similar scepticism with regard to
the supposed Nazi-Tibet connection, until he began to search for references in the
microfilmed records in the Captured German Documents Section of the National Archives
in Washington, DC. He discovered a wealth of material, running to many hundreds of
pages, dealing with the work of Dr Ernst Schafer of the Ahnenerbe. These documents
included Dr Schafer's personal notebooks, his correspondence, clippings from several
German newspapers, and his SS file, which describes an expedition to East and Central
Tibet from 1934-1936, and the official SS-Tibet Expedition of 1938-1939 under his
leadership. (29)

As Levenda demonstrates, the expedition was not so much concerned with contacting
Tibetan representatives of the subterranean super-race as with cataloguing the flora and
fauna of the region (an activity of little military value to the Third Reich, which accounts for
the difficulty Schafer occasionally had in securing funding for his trips).

Born in Cologne on 14 March 1910 into a wealthy industrialist family, Ernst Schafer
attended school in Heidelberg and Gottingen, and embarked on his first expedition to
Tibet in 1930 under the auspices of the Academy of Natural Sciences in Philadelphia
when he was only twenty years old. The following year, he joined the American Brooke
Dolan expedition to Siberia, China and Tibet. He became a member of the SS in mid-
1933, finally reaching the rank of Sturmbannfuhrer in 1942. In addition to being an SS
officer, Schafer was also a respected scientist who published papers in various journals,
such as the Proceedings of the Academy of Natural Sciences, Philadelphia. As Levenda
wryly notes, Schafer was 'a man of many parts: one part SS officer and one part scholar,
one part explorer and one part scientist: a Nazi Indiana Jones'. (30) Schafer was also
deeply interested in the religious and cultural practices of the Tibetans, including their
sexuality. (Indeed, the members of the 1938-1939 expedition displayed a somewhat
prurient fascination with intimate practices: the film-maker Ernst Krause, for instance, took
great care to record his observation of a fifteen-year-old Lanchung girl masturbating on a
bridge beam.) (31)

When not cataloguing flora and fauna (and spying on teenage girls), the members of the
expedition managed to conduct other research, which included an exhaustive study of the
physical attributes of the Tibetan people. Schafer noted height and weight, the shape of
hands and feet, the colour and shape of eyes, and even took plaster casts of Tibetans'
faces. On 21 July 1939, Der Neue Tag published the following article:

SACRED TIBETAN SCRIPTURE
ACQUIRED BY THE DR SCHAFER-EXPEDITION ON
NINE ANIMAL LOADS ACROSS THE HIGH-COUNTRY
(SPECIAL) FRANKFURT - 20 JULY The Tibet Expedition of Dr Ernst Schafer, which
during its expedition through Tibet stayed a long time in Lhasa and in the capital of the
Panchen Lama, Shigatse, is presently on its return trip to Germany. Since the monsoons
began unusually early, the return march of the expedition was hastened in order to secure
the shipment of the precious collections. The expedition has singularly valuable scientific
research results to inventory. In addition to outstanding accomplishments in the areas of
geophysical and earth-magnetic research they succeeded in obtaining an extra-rich
ethnological collection including, along with cult objects, many articles and tools of daily
life.

With the help of the regent of Lhasa it was Dr Schafer who also succeeded in obtaining
the Kangschur, the extensive, 108-volume sacred script of the Tibetans, which required
nine animal loads to transport. Also especially extensive are the zoological and botanical
collections that the expedition has already shipped, in part, to Germany, the remainder of
which they will bring themselves. The zoological collection includes the total bird-fauna of
the research area. Dr Schafer was also able, for the first time, to bag a Schapi, a hitherto
unknown wild goat. About 50 live animals are on the way to Germany, while numerous
other live animals are still with the expedition. An extensive herbarium of all existing plants
is also on its way. Furthermore, valuable geographical and earth-historical
accomplishments were made. Difficulties encountered due to political tensions with the
English authorities were eliminated due to personal contact between Dr Schafer and
members of the British authorities in Shangtse, so that the unimpeded return of the
expedition out of Tibet with its valuable collections was guaranteed. (32)

Levenda informs us that he was unable to discover the fate of the Kangschur, the 'core
document' of Tibetan Buddhism, although he suspects that it was taken to Vienna. With
regard to the expedition itself, while it must be conceded that it had very little to do with
the occult or magical ambitions of the Third Reich, it is possible that the 'earth-magnetic'
and 'geophysical' experiments had a firm foundation in a very shaky theory. Levenda
suggests that the Tibet Expedition of 1938-1939 attempted to prove the pseudo-scientific
World Ice Theory of Hans Horbiger. This bizarre theory will be discussed in detail in
Chapter Seven. But for now, let us return to the concept embodied in the rumours about
the Vril Society, with its alleged attempts to contact (and enlist the aid of) a mysterious
group of vastly powerful Eastern adepts. To examine the origins of this idea, we must
ourselves embark on a journey to Tibet, known in some quarters as 'the Phantom
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« Reply #212 on: October 18, 2010, 12:19:31 PM »

from the book,

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The History of Nazi Occultism


There is no doubt that the Nazi's were involved in occult practices nor is there any question that they had astounding advanced technology. Any connection between the two is pure speculation.

Occult "secret" organizations or Orders were plentiful in Germany at the time and many high ranking scientists and officers were members. I doubt that they had much choice. After all in Hitler's Germany if you got "tapped" for a membership in the Thule or Vril society I doubt you would refuse.

Very interesting reading but it is hard separate the facts from the myths.
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« Reply #213 on: October 18, 2010, 01:14:04 PM »

Lets get a few things straight for those who just want some highlights of this topic

Hilter, and the inner elite circle of NAZIS was heavily into the occult.
They practiced what laymen call Black Magic.
The mainstream media still is in denial as to full the extent.

 you may well ask :So How does this occur ?

Well most historians are not necessarily outright dishonest, but simply lack an esoteric education. So when the clue arise, they fail to realise the significance of  'smoking gun evidence'. The few that do have an esoteric education, most likely obtained the knowledge from being members of secret societies.



How little his biographers have understood the real significance of what Hilter was reading and what lay as motive behind his choice of subjects and the books he avidly consumed at this time.

Professor Alan Bullock, a historian of great integrity, has even listed the actual subjects (or some of them anyway ) in which Adolf Hitler was immersing himself at this time, yet the very truth before his eyes was not sufficient to awkenen him to the real motives behind Hitler's studies.

After pointing out scathingly, and perhaps some what mistakenly, that Hitler sought only to impress other people and was full of fantastic and inconsequnetial ideas, Bullock writes :

"His intellectual interests seemed to follow the same pattern. He spent much time in public libraries, but his reading was indescriminate and unsystematic - Ancient Rome, the Eastern Religions, Yoga, Occultisim, Hypnotisim, Astrology . . .!




I sympathise with many people who ignore this entire topic, as the disinfo trolls love to take the documented - but bizzare facts, and mix in the faux secret alien ufo technology and other utter bullshit.

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« Reply #214 on: October 18, 2010, 01:17:39 PM »

I know that everyone always says that too much bible is put into different threads but I have always found this interesting that the particular choice of words in my old bible (which is not kj) seems to more accurately describe and fit with what we know about NWO then the KJB.  I mean if you see the older bible's choice of words, then you can understand the KJB and how it refers to the subject.  The "All Seeing Eye"  or "Their Resemblance" which we know is the all seeing eye.  Now put that together with the lead flying thing referred to in the passages, and you have UFO's combined with the All Seeing Eye=Project Bluebeam.  Just Thoughts I have.  Any comments? I mean I could be way off, but would like input. Please read both versions of chapter 5.
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5    1    And I turned and lifted up my eyes: and I saw, and behold a volume flying.    et conversus sum et levavi oculos meos et vidi et ecce volumen volans
5    2    And he said to me: What seest thou? And I said: I see a volume flying: the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits.    et dixit ad me quid tu vides et dixi ego video volumen volans longitudo eius viginti cubitorum et latitudo eius decem cubitorum
5    3    And he said to me: This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the earth: for every thief shall be judged as is there written: and every one that sweareth in like manner shall be judged by it.    et dixit ad me haec est maledictio quae egreditur super faciem omnis terrae quia omnis fur sicut ibi scriptum est iudicabitur et omnis iurans ex hoc similiter iudicabitur
5    4    I will bring it forth, saith the Lord of hosts: and it shall come to the house of the thief, and to the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it, with the timber thereof, and the stones thereof.    educam illud dicit Dominus exercituum et veniet ad domum furis et ad domum iurantis in nomine meo mendaciter et commorabitur in medio domus eius et consumet eam et ligna eius et lapides eius
5    5    And the angel went forth that spoke in me, and he said to me: Lift up thy eyes, and see what this is, that goeth forth.    et egressus est angelus qui loquebatur in me et dixit ad me leva oculos tuos et vide quid est hoc quod egreditur

5    6   And I said: What is it? And he said: This is a vessel going forth. And he said: This is their eye in all the earth.   et dixi quidnam est et ait haec est amphora egrediens et dixit haec est oculus eorum in universa terra
5    7    And behold a talent of lead was carried, and behold a woman sitting in the midst of the vessel.    et ecce talentum plumbi portabatur et ecce mulier una sedens in medio amphorae
5    8    And he said: This is wickedness. And he cast her into the midst of the vessel, and cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof.    et dixit haec est impietas et proiecit eam in medio amphorae et misit massam plumbeam in os eius
5    9    And I lifted up my eyes and looked: and behold there came out two women, and wind was in their wings, and they had wings like the wings of a kite: and they lifted up the vessel between the earth and the heaven.    et levavi oculos meos et vidi et ecce duae mulieres egredientes et spiritus in alis earum et habebant alas quasi alas milvi et levaverunt amphoram inter terram et caelum
5    10    And I said to the angel that spoke in me: Whither do these carry the vessel?    et dixi ad angelum qui loquebatur in me quo istae deferunt amphoram
5    11    And he said to me: That a house may be built for it in the land of Sennaar, and that it may be established, and set there upon its own basis.
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Zechariah 5

 1Then I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll.

 2And he said unto me, What seest thou? And I answered, I see a flying roll; the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits.

 3Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it.

 4I will bring it forth, saith the LORD of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief, and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof.

 5Then the angel that talked with me went forth, and said unto me, Lift up now thine eyes, and see what is this that goeth forth.


6And I said, What is it? And he said, This is an ephah that goeth forth. He said moreover, This is their resemblance through all the earth.

7And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this is a woman that sitteth in the midst of the ephah.

 8And he said, This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof.

 9Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven.

 10Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah?

 11And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base.

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« Reply #215 on: October 18, 2010, 01:21:09 PM »

There is no doubt that the Nazi's were involved in occult practices nor is there any question that they had astounding advanced technology. Any connection between the two is pure speculation.

Quiet right.

The Disinfo trolls connect two completely topics and say see "UFO was Nazi Technology"

This has the effect that anyone who has not had a frontal lobotomy thinks that its all bullshite, when its fact the Nazis was into the occult - AS ARE THE CURRENT ELITES

The Nazis really did have high tech technologly, and I know about it because they tried and failed to kill my mother with a V1 flying bomb. So I take these creeps very seriously and do not have a sense of humour regarding the dissinfo merchants.

As to precise extent of the Nazis investment in the Tibetian angle, I can not give an exact answer. Suffice to say " yes they spent time and money investigating Tibet "

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« Reply #216 on: October 18, 2010, 01:26:23 PM »

I want to make clear that in no way do I believe in UFO's.  I believe the tie-in is the occult=UFO.  I too take it very seriously.  But I read the book and the good guys win!
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« Reply #217 on: October 18, 2010, 01:28:23 PM »

I know that everyone always says that too much bible is put into different threads but I have always found this interesting that the particular choice of words in my old bible (which is not kj) seems to more accurately describe and fit with what we know about NWO then the KJB.  I mean if you see the older bible's choice of words, then you can understand the KJB and how it refers to the subject.  The "All Seeing Eye"  or "Their Resemblance" which we know is the all seeing eye.  Now put that together with the lead flying thing referred to in the passages, and you have UFO's combined with the All Seeing Eye=Project Bluebeam.  Just Thoughts I have.  Any comments? I mean I could be way off, but would like input. Please read both versions of chapter 5.


Do you think its really, really necessary to post vast volumes text when a few references could have been cited ?


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« Reply #218 on: October 18, 2010, 01:32:50 PM »

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The  Vril Society  was formed by a group of female psychic mediums led by the Thule Gesellschaft medium Maria Orsitsch (Orsic) of Zagreb, who claimed to have received communication from Aryan aliens living on Alpha Cen Tauri, in the Aldebaran system. Allegedly, these aliens had visited Earth and settled in Sumeria, and the word Vril was formed from the ancient Sumerian word "Vri-Il" ("like god"). A second medium was known only as Sigrun, a name etymologically related to Sigrune, a Valkyrie and one of Wotan's nine daughters in Norse legend.
http://www.echoesofenoch.com/Musium13%20vril_society.htm

Alleged Vril-9 craft:
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Well it was one chapter, two versions..and I posted the whole chapter for context instead of one sentence which could be misconstrued.  Simple.  Sorry if it was too mind-boggling for you.  It was not intended to offend or confuse the issue.
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« Reply #220 on: October 18, 2010, 01:48:04 PM »

Project Camelot Interview
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1157138483884145726
Ralph Ring and Otis T Carr A video interview with Ralph Ring Las Vegas, August 2006 Ralph Ring is a brilliant innovative technician who as a young man in the late 1950s and early 1960s worked closely with Otis T. Carr. With the aid of his small team, Carr, who was himself a protegé of the great inventor Nikola Tesla, built a number of flying disks, which worked.... prior to their experimentation being forcibly terminated by government agents. In a dramatic experiment, Ring co-piloted a 45 foot disk a distance of ten miles, arriving at their destination instantaneously. Ring, now aged 71, tells his story to Project Camelot – the first time it has been reported.
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« Reply #221 on: October 18, 2010, 04:53:27 PM »

Thanks Dig for the info on Ralph Ring and Otis Carr concerning Project Camelot.  This is such an interesting subject! One can only stifle information for so long.  Now is the time with technology and the available ease in the distribution of information to get this info out! 
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« Reply #222 on: October 18, 2010, 05:26:34 PM »

http://newsoholics.com/2010/07/15/ufo-chinese-airport-photo-video/


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« Reply #223 on: October 18, 2010, 11:18:43 PM »


Did you see the picture that JT took exposing a similar military plane 2 years ago (go back a page)?
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« Reply #224 on: October 18, 2010, 11:23:23 PM »

Thanks Dig for the info on Ralph Ring and Otis Carr concerning Project Camelot.  This is such an interesting subject! One can only stifle information for so long.  Now is the time with technology and the available ease in the distribution of information to get this info out! 

I like Project Camelot interviews because they give the people a chance to talk and they do not allow anyone to get away with New World Order agendas (they call them on it). That said, I do not believe that Majestic deal with bona fide aliens. I believe that Majestic was a deception to give a very small elite group (similar to the techno-flying elites in the HG Wells movie "Things to Come") insurmountable power over space/energy/flight/computing/mind control technology. I believe that the aliens have been faked (provably) for over 80 years. But their interviews expose the technologies of the elite IMO that they plan on using during the hoax alien invasion Rockefeller and others have been planning.
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« Reply #225 on: October 19, 2010, 02:21:14 AM »

I like Project Camelot interviews because they give the people a chance to talk and they do not allow anyone to get away with New World Order agendas (they call them on it). That said, I do not believe that Majestic deal with bona fide aliens. I believe that Majestic was a deception to give a very small elite group (similar to the techno-flying elites in the HG Wells movie "Things to Come") insurmountable power over space/energy/flight/computing/mind control technology. I believe that the aliens have been faked (provably) for over 80 years. But their interviews expose the technologies of the elite IMO that they plan on using during the hoax alien invasion Rockefeller and others have been planning.

In the interview with Ralph Ring, he spoke of high frequency sound waves that changed the molecules (in so many words) of the 2 foot craft that was hovering in front of him.  He said it was like jello without being sticky or messy and he could put his fingers right into it, AND he also said it caused all of them to change physically in the same way as well.  The guy that was interviewing said it was "sympathetic'  (their body tuning in to what was taking place with the vehicle).  It made me wonder if prolonged high frequency sound waves are initiated (by NWO) then will we experience some change too, physically, and would this be part of the plan?   
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« Reply #226 on: October 19, 2010, 05:26:42 AM »

Quiet right.

The Disinfo trolls connect two completely topics and say see "UFO was Nazi Technology"

This has the effect that anyone who has not had a frontal lobotomy thinks that its all bullshite, when its fact the Nazis was into the occult - AS ARE THE CURRENT ELITES

The Nazis really did have high tech technologly, and I know about it because they tried and failed to kill my mother with a V1 flying bomb. So I take these creeps very seriously and do not have a sense of humour regarding the dissinfo merchants.

As to precise extent of the Nazis investment in the Tibetian angle, I can not give an exact answer. Suffice to say " yes they spent time and money investigating Tibet "



Yes, the Tibet expeditions are very interesting. Ernst Schaefer, Frederick Hielscher, The Ahnenerbe and Colonel Wolfram von Sievers...

There is also a fascinating story Tibetan monks dressed in Nazi uniforms found in ritual suicide "circles" in Berlin at the end of the war. Not provable, but intriguing none the less.

Otto Rahn's expeditions to Iceland and Languedoc are also very interesting. Otto Skorzeny was part of the Languedoc expedition's "security detail" and he is a very interesting character, well worth looking into.
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« Reply #227 on: October 20, 2010, 10:23:29 AM »

Dok and ches: Actually... what if the "omnipresent Aetheric field" which in that theory would quite correctly be called the "Akasha" were the source of Dok's "spiritual things" AND of "real matter and energy" at the same time. Actually from observations of the human mind, this makes perfect sense. Of course, to prove something like this so that one does not just talk pseudoscientific gibberish is another thing entirelly.
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I haven’t read about the ’Akasha’ that much, but the ancient concept of ‘Aether’ was “upper-air” which was were the gods dwelled. ’Akasha’ apparently means ‘sky’ in Hindi.


To some esoteric-spiritualists, including Rosicrucians and the Theosophical Society , this ‘Akashic’-substance or Aether-substance can also “record” world events, and that trained spiritualists, ‘clairvoyants’, could then ”read this information”, or could read these “Akhasic Records”.
But because I’m not so familiar with the original ancient Indian concept of ‘Akasha’ I’m not sure if it really is the same as this “psychic Aether” promoted by the early New Age-movement(s).

But in some ancient concepts about the Aether, it was divided in many parts, so in a way these Aether-parts could be called “other dimensions” or “worlds of spirits” or the many “heavens” of the Abrahamic religions.


So basically there are few concepts of Ether..

The so called “scientific concept” of ‘light-bearing Ether’, which is the all-filling & all-permeating cosmic-substance, that Tesla and other scientists talked about. In modern “accepted” scientific terms ,this scientific-Ether, is particles like ‘neutrinos’ etc., which pass through our bodies and even mostly through planetary bodies without much affecting them.


.. and then there’s the “New Age spiritualist concept” of “psychic Aether-Akasha”, which supposedly can record events.


..i don’t myself believe in such “psychic Aether”. And the ‘reading sessions’ from this supposed Akasha have proven to be bogus ..usually this Akhasic-information has been regarding subjects like Atlantis and Lemuria-myths etc.

I see Ether only to be this “scientific-Ether”, and that it cannot “record” events to be read by psychics and clairvoyants.

Even if this scientific-Ether, which is matter, particles, is divided into many ‘dimensions’, it is still part of the construction of the cosmos, or in this case ‘multi-dimensional cosmos’, holding within it this “atomic-dimension” where we live on , and the so called “spirit-dimension(s)” .. all dimensions within the same cosmic-“frame”(constructional frame).

So to me, ‘spirits’(human ancestor-spirits) may contacts us “physical humans” from these Ether-dimensions, but the Ether-substance itself is not “psychic” as claimed by some.



In the chapter 1. is what William Lyne writes about this “scientific” Ether:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tesla/occultether/occultether.htm


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« Reply #228 on: October 20, 2010, 10:26:04 AM »

About Thule and Vril-societies and “flying saucers”..

at some point some propaganda has been released to myth-circles that these occult-societies supposedly received the blue-prints to build anti-gravity flying machines from entities they “channeled”.
According to the myth these entities were from the  “solar system of Aldebaran”.
..they supposedly got the telepathic-message in old Sumerian language which also now supports the myths of ancient “Atlantian advanced-technology” and that humanity was once seeded by ufo-aliens.

I don’t know when this myth was originally started/released ..maybe just few years ago, cause it appears the someone started couple of these Vril-society web-sites few years ago..

But this all is obviously just bull…



In reality the German ‘anti-gravity’-saucers were based on Tesla’s invention, so this is not technology that the “Nazis” discovered themselves.

The Germans also had other kind of saucer-projects running on the side, which were these propel- or turbine powered saucers.

Following the wave of “UFO” sightings in 1950, Professor Giuseppe Belluzzo (1875-1952), a scientist-engineer and a former Italian cabinet minister and who is said to have work in one of these German-Italian “flying saucer”-projects in the 1940’s, he was quoted in Italian and American news papers saying:

Quote from:  Professor Giuseppe Belluzzo
“There is nothing supernatural or Martian about flying discs, but they are simply rational application of recent technique.”
He went on saying “..some great power (nation) is now launching discs to study them.”

You can find few photocopies of these news articles through this link, and information about the saucer-project he was working in:
Chapter:The Miethe-Belluzzo Project
http://www.thewebfairy.com/911/missilegate/rfz/chapter3b.htm
And here’s the link to index of the book by Henry Stevens on these German saucer projects of late 1930’s-40’s
Hitler's Flying Saucers: A Guide to German Flying Discs of the Second World War –Henry Stevens
http://www.thewebfairy.com/911/missilegate/rfz/index2.htm

Many German “saucers” described in Henry Stevens’ book are these “aerodyne” or turbine powered saucers, which were not ‘anti-gravity’-saucers.

But there was one person reporting witnessing these Tesla-technology saucers to the FBI in 1957.

There is also photocopies of the original FBI documents of this witness report ..starting from:

The Smoking Gun: An F.B.I. Report (...scroll down about 1/3 of the page)
Chapter: Field Propulsion Saucers
http://www.thewebfairy.com/911/missilegate/rfz/vril.htm


Here’s a summary by Stevens of the FBI documents describing an Tesla-technology anti-gravity saucer:

Quote from:  Hitler's Flying Saucers: A Guide to German Flying Discs of the Second World War –Henry Stevens
The time of the sighting was in 1944, the place was Gut Alt Golssen, approximately 30 miles east of Berlin. The informant, whose name has been deleted, states that while he was a prisoner of war working for the Germans, a flying object arose nearby from behind an enclosure hidden from view by a 50 foot high tarpaulin-type wall. It rose about 500 feet then moved away horizontally.The only noise the object made was a high-pitched whine. The object was described as being 75 to 100 feet in diameter and 14feet high. It was composed of a dark gray stationary top and bottom sections five to six feet high with a rapidly moving center section producing only a blur and extending the circumference of the vehicle. Notably, the engine of their farm tractor stalled during this event and the SS guards told the driver not to attempt a restart until the whine could no longer be heard.

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http://beforeitsnews.com/story/228/759/MUFON_CMS:_UFOs_Near_Jupiter_-_4_Reports_Nationwide.html
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