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« Reply #160 on: October 16, 2010, 08:13:18 AM »

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but have no first hand knowledge

You have just shown that you know nothing what so ever about the books or the man you criticize so vehemently. Maybe you should actually read one before making your opinion on something that you apparently dont know about. And yah, i can say that with full athority sport, if you know anything at all about John Keel or his books he was fully involoved in this.  Tongue


Try reading something before making stupid accusations that so readily pop out.

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But this is not that “scholarly” stuff, is it..

 Huh

John Keel was an award winning journalist. He actually investigated what people said, he didnt blow them off with half ass opinions, kind of like your doing now. And i really hate to break it to you but Jacques Vallee is a world leading scientist. At least do some back ground searching before making stupid little comments please. 


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How about reading abduction reports from real abductees and not a book by Vallee or Keel?

Uhm how about looking through the rest of my SCRIBD page? Have you read any of Turners work? I have, all three books. And if you had read anything fromm Keel or Vallee you again wouldnt have put your foot in your mouth.

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We have all kinds of proof from the actual abductees them selves and the messages given by the so called aliens.
Alien abductions are very similar to spirit-possession phenomenon which has existed and been reported for thousands of years ..ufo-alien abductions are around 50 years old.

So modern abduction-events proof that such events do happen, but they do not proof that aliens visit our planet ..cause these could be the same events as spirit-possession and poltergeist-phenomenon was 100-years ago, when no ufo-aliens weren’t around.
Some abduction researchers themselves, suspect that aliens might in reality be ‘spirits’ posing as abducting-aliens like Dr Karla Turner (google and you will find)..and that your link talk about this position also this one.. http://www.alienresistance.org/ce4articles.htm
No I didn’t read all these, but I have looked into abductions and MILABS-events before ..and they are quite alike usually, meaning follow similar patterns and things experienced are similar.

 But I have researched occultism and esoteric-spirituality(Tibetan lama-traditions, yogic-stuff, shamanism etc.) better than most ufologists, so I kinda know the similarities between ET-contacts and spirit-phenomenon (astral-communication, ESP etc.).

Thats what i have been saying, so your retorts really make no sense.

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Where are the ufo-aliens from the “spiritist messages” of the 19th century? ..there are non. ..no Grey-aliens ..no Reptilians.
The most famous spiritists and occultists of 19th and early 20th centuries practically speak nothing about ufo-aliens ..Helena P Blavatsky, Aleister Crowley talk nothing about UFOs
Bu they do talk about human “Secret Chiefs” and “ascended masters”, about spirits ancient lama-monks and high-priests ..but far as I know they do not mention UFO-star fleets and Galactic Federations at all.
These modern New Age-ufo stories talk about these Galactic ufo-collective as millions of years old ..but why no-one even mention these groups till few decades ago?

I agree with ya, and that is exactly what is laid out in the books i posted, with Historical research. So again i dont get your rhetoric???

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and that your link talk about this position also this one.. http://www.alienresistance.org/ce4articles.htm

Im a member od CE4.  Smiley If you would have taken the time and looked at my SCRIBD site, instead of ridiculling it, you might have noticed that.

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but as you say yourself; people should ‘read and learn’ ..then you must agree that you, we should also study the possibility that UFOs might be a man-made invention, by Nikola Tesla

I believe some are, dont know about Tesla, i think people give him to much credit for things, that cannot be proven. Take the giant flying triangle, that is man made, and most likley a Gov. OP. Take the Gulf Breeze incedent, that is an actuall encounter.

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I suggest you really look into the links I’ve posted ..start with the studio interview-videos with William Lyne ..that should be easy way to get to know what he’s talking about.

WOW!! you ask me to look at your stuff while you simply disregarded mine with out even looking at them, and going off on some preconcieved notion that isnt even right.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #161 on: October 16, 2010, 08:15:09 AM »

Likely I have the same evidence as you do. This evidence combined with the absolute fact that the past 80 years of alien abductions have been staged is compelling.

Furthermore, the centuries old evidence that this technique has been used by elites to control their people adds to the great awakening to the alien abduction hoax.

But, your theories about them being real in 1500 even though they have been proven faked for the past 80 years is not invalid. I just think it lacks a degree of logical reasoning in pushing your theory as fact when it is little more than a baseless theory which is mostly ueled by black propaganda techniques used by the global elite.

The fact remains that, for the purposes of this thread, the globalists are faking all of the bullshit happening now to try and scare us into chaos (as documented by their own fricking publications).

so that's a no?  Cheesy Smiley

I have admitted that its being used today as an OP in some instances. And in others it is the same ancient thing that has been going on still to this day.
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« Reply #162 on: October 16, 2010, 08:20:28 AM »

http://www.alienresistance.org/ce4.htm  Kiss
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« Reply #163 on: October 16, 2010, 08:25:19 AM »

so that's a no?  Cheesy Smiley

So that's a "I cannot read english so I will call it a "NO" and add some smiley faces to trivialize the global deception of the bullshit alien abduction hoax and its continued purpose of scapegoating the global elite?"

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« Reply #164 on: October 16, 2010, 08:26:43 AM »

So that's a "I cannot read english so I will call it a "NO" and add some smiley faces to trivialize the global deception of the bullshit alien abduction hoax and its continued purpose of scapegoating the global elite?"

Cheesy Smiley

No, that was exactly what i said, as you didnt answer the question.
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« Reply #165 on: October 16, 2010, 08:27:38 AM »

the idea that there is absolutely no life out there IMO is far fetched. the idea that it has 2 arms, legs, eyes, ears, is carbon based, operates in our dimensional realm, and wants us all to form a one world government seems 1,000x more far fetched.

Ok, I guess I would agree with that. Way to spoil my fantasies of hanging out in some bar on another planet with all kinds of alien people.

Do you have evidence of anything being 10000 years old?
Likely I have the same evidence as you do.
so that's a no?  Cheesy Smiley
So that's a "I cannot read english so I will call it a "NO" and add some smiley faces to trivialize the global deception of the bullshit alien abduction hoax and its continued purpose of scapegoating the global elite?"

I think Dok was trying to make a creationist point.
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« Reply #166 on: October 16, 2010, 08:46:14 AM »

To all those looking at the work of William Lyne look at 1 thing. His compass. He claims he has aqquired a slave compass from a Nazi UFO. His compass is in fact from a Heinkel 111 Bomber and other companies make the EXACT same component down to the part number so that piece of his information is pure hooey.

This seems to me more like what is really happening and if you all look into this with seriousness you will find it all paints the perfect picture and makes the most sense.

Disclosure: Aryans, Mars
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Jay: O.K. What I'm about to say is going to sound very controversial, but I'll give you a quick breakdown of what's probably going on.

Lance: O.K. Good, good.

Jay: The powers that be are ruled by an inner group, and we will have a video series out next year called "The Sacred Geometry of Time", with Robert Lawlor, which is going to explain this in a much deeper way.

But this group apparently knows all of the knowledge of the past, maybe as far back as several hundred thousand years. And they live here, on Earth; and they have lived here for a long time. But they've lived separately; until about 6, 000 years ago, they lived separately from us - some place on Earth, in a very nice place.

But, about 6, 000 years ago, the first of many alarms went off. And these alarms have to do with the advance of what we call the end of the Kali Yuga.

Now, the beginning of the Kali Yuga was right near the beginning of the Mayan calendar, 3114 B.C. And it was the beginning of cities and writing and kingships and slavery and women as chattel and animal husbandry and farming and wars and walled cities and writing and science.

And all those things actually began at the beginning of the Kali Yuga - not because we were getting better, but because we were getting worse.

But not only because we were getting worse but because there was something going on: the reason those things came into being is because this group - that are human, but are different - went into action, because the beginning of the Kali Yuga, 6, 000 years ago, the beginning of the Mayan calendar, was a signal.

A signal in a very long, long, long calendar - not 6, 000 years, but like 60, 000 years. And it said that the end of this age was going to come to an end, and the prophecy said that the sun would explode into gigantic solar flares, which would fry everything on Earth and cause huge Earth changes here on the planet.

And this group knew all of this, because they had been through it before and they kept accurate records. So they went into action; and they took a lovely planet, filled with tribes of hunter-gatherers, and they transformed it into civilization.

And they transformed it into civilization so that they could get out of here before the coronal-mass ejections hit. And that is what has been going on for over 5, 000, almost 6, 000, years.

It is a central organizing principle, decided and governed by a group that we don't even know who they really are, for purposes which until recently have remained completely hidden and secret.

And, they promised the managers that they're leaving behind, that they can have the underground shelters and everything; but I don't think that that's really going to help, because I just can't see how that could survive what is foretold.

And the secret space program and all of these things - flying saucers, and bases on the moon, and the Nazis and Joseph Farrell's great book on the alchemy that the Nazis were doing - this is all part of this group developing the technology for what I call "Project GOOD", which stands for "Get Out Of Dodge". And they're getting' out of Dodge, baby; and they're almost out.

And, if you follow the work of Ed Grimsley - I don't know if you know who he is. He has these night-vision goggles, and he goes out at night and he videotapes these craft that you can't see with your eyes. You can type him in on Google. On YouTube, they've got a few astounding videos that he's taken of the gigantic craft.

And that's the story. And I figure I might as well get it out now, because you never know when it's going to be too late.

Lance: Absolutely. Now, of course, some people attach names to these unknowns. And I have read some accounts that these are some kind of Anunnaki/Atlantean lines, and then of course you have some kind of illuminati bloodlines flowing in there. But nobody really seems to know who they are, except that they're not -

Jay: Well, yeah, actually, we do. Yeah, well, they are the - Anunnaki is one of the words that they have. The Nephilim is another that they have.

These are words created by different cultures - the Hebrews, the Babylonians, the Sumerians, the Persians - to describe these people. OK? But their real name is very easy, because it describes where they go when they get out of Dodge. They're called the Aryans.

"Aryans" is just another word for "Martians", because Aries is Mars. They escape - at the end of the last Kali Yuga - I think, at the end of every Kali Yuga - the same cycle occurs every time; it may even be why there is a Kali Yuga.

They come to Earth after the Earth is healed from the gigantic coronal-mass ejections which occur; and they come back in their ships, and they repopulate the Earth. They may even take genetic strains with them, which is what the genome project is; they may take all the seeds with them, which is what the seed project is.

And they take it there; and they bury themselves under, because Mars is a pretty inhospitable place; and they wait for the Earth to recover. And they came back 60, 000 years ago, and they thought that the Earth had pretty much been wiped out. But a few groups had survived.

Native Americans had survived, by being in caves; and they tell those stories, about how hot - it was so hot that you stuck a stick out the cave opening and it lit on fire. The Chinese survived - somebody - one of those Asian groups must have survived, obviously. And some of the African survived.

So, when the Aryans landed, they kept to themselves. But they did have ships, and they went around; and they had an order that they couldn't have any sex with the remnants that were left behind. They could help them, teach them how to read and write and how to farm and all these other things; but they couldn't have sex with them.

But those Earth women and the way they move: they just couldn't resist.

So these are humans, but they went to Mars for a long time; and they lost the pigment in their skin, they lost the color in their hair, their eyes turned blue or green or hazel. They were tremendously big, because of the low gravity on Mars, when they landed here. Very advanced, super advanced - and they've been here for a very, very long time.

And they're leaving. They're going. They're leaving now. There are colonies - I know this sounds completely out of my mind, but I have proof for all this. There's colonies up on Mars; just type in "Hale Crater civilization" on Google, and read Skipper's work - Joseph Skipper's great work on the colony there, up in Hale Crater.

This is what's going on. This is the long and short of it. And, yeah, they live here; they actually lived once in Norway. That's where they lived, because they liked the coolness; they couldn't get used to the heat. And that spiral that exploded over Norway when Barack Obama was going to get his Peace Prize in Norway - yeah, well, that's their weaponry.

Here's the problem Obama faces. OK? These guys are leaving. They're getting out of here because they think that the coronal-mass ejections are coming. Alright? They're leaving, and they don't care who runs the United States anymore. They did up until last year. Now they don't care anymore.

And so Obama's7 sitting here, and he's got the remnants of their technology. He's got the stuff sitting around; right? And they're probably busily back-engineering the Aryan technologies; OK? And this is what's going on in Argentina and Chile, where they're raiding the tunnel systems.

This is the new world order; these are the managers that have been left behind. The new world order is not the Aryans; the new world order are the Aryans' left-behind managers.

Lance: Right; that would make sense.

Jay: Yeah. The Aryans think of themselves as the 'People of the Red', or 'the People from the Red Planet'. And, when Bauer changed his name to "Rothschild", which means "red shield", he was really signifying that he was the shield for this thing, this project, which moved into high gear at the beginning of the industrial age.

And everyone's thinking that they're deforesting the planet, raping the mountainsides, enslaving people, doing all this stuff, just because there's something that has gone out of control; but it isn't.

It's all the underpinnings of a huge, secret project to develop, quickly, colonies and ships and moving gigantic amounts of goods and services across the gap between here and Mars.

And that's the truth right there.

And a lot of people are going to know this pretty soon; I'm not the only one that knows what's going on here. This is all written down, by the way, in ancient texts from India, all of this.

Lance: Oh yes, that's right. You briefly touched upon that the last time, I think.

Jay: Yes, this is all ancient texts, and these texts were from the Aryans and they told their story.

Lance: If they had the ability to go back and forth to Mars and further, I'm sure, isn't coronal mass ejection going to destroy Mars as well?

Jay: No, because they're going underground. First off, it will hit Mars but it won't be anything like what happens here.

Secondly, the problem with the coronal mass ejection - which I have to say, the film "2012" did a pretty good job of evoking - is that it is a huge electromagnetic blast which has a commensurate effect on the core of the Earth, which is heavily electromagnetic. So it causes a core flip.

OK, here's how it works. The poles of the sun rotate every 37 days. The equator of the sun would also rotate every 37 days, except that the angular momentum of the planets at the equator of the Solar System causes it to slow down, so it only rotates every 26 days, instead of 37.

Every 87 days, there is a crossing over of the magnetic field, as the 26 catches up to the 37 again. You follow me?

Every 87 days, there's a small electromagnetic crossing, which encases the sun in a tightly woven electromagnetic shell. After about 12-13, 000 years of this nonsense, the entire sun is bound in a huge receding-quickly magnetic field, which has a commensurate effect on the Earth's electromagnetic field, which also begins receding.

This is all happening right now with the loss of the sun spots and the Earth's magnetic field receding. It's a 13, 000 year cycle that we are right on the edge of and when the sun finally has to right itself, i.e., move its rotational fields back into sync again, which it has to do, there will be a huge electromagnetic storm which will go out way beyond the Earth.

It will be carrying with it gigantic coronal mass ejections, which will ignite the forests of the Earth and boil the oceans.

If you're underground, on Mars, well you have a pretty good chance of making it. There's no electromagnetic fields on Mars. There's no tectonic plates. Nothing's going to be spinning around and you just wait it out.

You just wait it out and maybe after a few hundred years, I don't know how long, when the forests grow back and the animal life comes back, then you mount your expeditions and you go back.

So we're building not only the expeditions that are going there, but we've been building for the last three hundred years the expeditions that are going to take them back here, too. Yeah, that's what's going on.

It recurs all the time. The Vedic texts and the Mahabharata, this is what they're discussing, including the gigantic ships, or arks, as they call them.

I want to make one thing clear. I'm not saying white people are Aryans. I'm saying that white people are the bastard children of Aryans and Earth people. You understand? They do not look like us at all. They're chalk-white. They're freakish-looking.

They're where the vampire myths come from because they can only come to the surface of the Earth at night. Their skin is so translucent that you can see the capillary system, so they look blue in certain kinds of light.

Lance: You know, there was a movie that was a remake of "War of the Worlds" and I thought to myself, "Well isn't this strange, for them to make this kind of movie where they're already underground, and those laser beams." Very prescient.

Jay: Spielberg has to know. When I saw that, I just went, "My God, he has to know." He has to know that they've been here the whole time and they are underground. That's exactly where they are.

And by the way, these other things that we see - and I'm not saying there are not other aliens, there could be; I'm not even going to argue that - but some of the other things that we've been seeing are their robotic creations.

They've been here, these robotic creations, for a long time. I don't know if they're robotic or genetic, I can't tell. Sometimes they're robotic, sometimes they're genetic.

Here's the thing Obama has to ask himself. He knows that these guys are leaving. He knows there's a disaster coming of some kind. They shoot a hyper-dimensional weapon over Norway while he's picking up the Peace prize and everybody's screaming and yelling, "Why does Obama get the Peace Prize, he hasn't done a damn thing."

I'm going to tell you why Obama gets the Peace Prize. He gets the Peace Prize if he doesn't shoot at them while they're leaving. Here's the problem that he faces, though, and this is a serious problem.

You're the Aryans and you're back on Mars waiting for the coronal mass ejection. You got the hatches buttoned down, everything, right? What is to prevent the elites that you've left behind from back-engineering the craft, that you've left behind - the ship - and coming after you and stealing your place? I know that sounds crazy -

Lance: No, to me it doesn't.

Jay: - and I'll tell you what. He's worried that they're going to attack us, and that's what that thing in Norway was about. These people are saying that these are benevolent aliens and stuff. You haven't read your history. The Aryans stormed down, they enslaved all of India, they created the caste system.

Lance: Every war has been created indirectly by this influence, hasn't it?

Jay: Absolutely. If you read Andrew Collins' book "From the Ashes of Angels," it's a great book. He talks about the history of these babies, these magical babies that are born after the Aryans and Earth women have had sex.. These babies are white and they have white hair and chalk-white skin, and some tribes were fearful of these children and they killed them.

But other tribes thought that these children were exalted beings and they raised them up into exaltedness in the tribe. These beings frequently had red hair; red hair because of the overabundance of iron oxide in the air on Mars causing red hair.

So they exalted these beings and these were the European tribes who exalted these beings. Read his books, they're very interesting.

Lance: I will, I'll check that out for sure.

Jay: On the other hand Africans have a history of killing albino children right when they're born. I don't know if you know that. They're considered wicked.

Tthey think that these children, the offspring of the Aryans, were wicked or there was something bad about them. This is a long tradition where they would get rid of these angel-demon children.

So the Aryan influences are more prevalent among the European-stock cultures and so they became the vehicles of the real Aryans, which have nothing to do with white people at all, actually, except for leaving behind some genetic trace..

And so that's what's been going on. Skull and Bones is part of this group. Michael Tsarian has traced a lot of these German groups back. The German groups are the key. Once you start back engineering the German groups, you can find everything.

The Saturnian Society, Aleister Crowley, all of the UFO stuff from South America. All this stuff is all intertwined into a cohesive story that makes total sense and gets rid of a lot of the gobbledygook.

But it's backed up and bolstered by very, very serious ancient texts, Purana texts and Vedic texts, which tell the whole story very clearly.

Lance: Huh! Well, how does that tie into the idea that there are different ages? In other words, do we ever get out from under the prison bars of some kind of highly advanced extraterrestrial civilization that controls us without our knowing? Isn't there supposed to be a Golden Age after the Iron Age?

Jay: Well, it is, and here's the thing. This is really the crux of the matter. What happens is is that through the long cycle of the Yugas, which is really called a Kulpa - which is all of the cycles together - there are so many deaths.

And as you approach the Bronze Age and the Kali Yuga, there are more and more deaths of violent nature.

And it takes thousands and thousands of years for bones to completely vanish. The Earth becomes haunted by an inescapable presence - called the 'Ka' in Egypt, which is a residual that's left behind. And the only way that you can have a Golden Age is for all of the Ka to be burned away so that the Earth is completely renewed.

And unfortunately these guys, these Aryans, broke the rules. They didn't want to die in the last catastrophe, which they had to do. That was part of the deal. The Earth can only be renewed if all of the Ka goes. And they escaped, and they went away.

And they kept all of the knowledge that had been gathered from the previous Kulpa, which we were also supposed to lose.

The only way for the Golden Age to actually incarnate is for the earth start out in a pristine state again. And they broke the rules.

And this is why Tsarion's work is so good because these guys broke the rules, and now we're just their slaves. Now racism has come into it. Whereas before there was no racism. Now there's racism. The Aryans think that the Earth peoples are too stupid, that the Earth peoples are too dumb.

And it's not dumb or stupid. They never had the advanced technology carried over from the Dark Age. . And this is the problem. So there has to be a cleansing of the earth so that it can be renewed. And they're not allowing that to happen.

And they keep bringing back the same genetic strains over and over when actually the Earth is constantly rolling the dice and searching for new genetic strains that it can use to embrace consciousness. The Aryans keep bringing back all the old genetic structures. Did you know that corn is a hybrid?

Lance: Yeah.

Jay: Corn is a hybrid. When they discovered corn, even to this day, it is a hybrid. Somebody had to have messed with it a long time ago.

Lance: Now it's all genetically modified.

Jay: Well, it is. And again you have to ask yourself why that's being allowed and why all the forests are being cut down and why...

Lance: Well, when what are the chemtrails and HARP?

Jay: Yeah. Those are to keep us away from seeing what is going on behind our backs, which is a giant evacuation. And they don't care about us anymore.

Lance: Wow! It seems like there ought to be some kind of higher authority that - let's just call it The Cosmic Patrol - that oversees what's fair and what's not fair. In other words, aren't there some kinds of higher more advanced ETs or civilizations or angelic realms or whatever that can put things straight?

Jay: We know as much as we know, and that's all we know. The Vedic texts say that the divas, which have been destroyed through this current Kali Yuga according to the text, have gone back to the Godhead.

They left thousands of years ago to travel back to the Godhead to tell the Godhead that the evil Archons, who are the Aryans, by the way, have taken over the entire planet and that they needed help because the divas have been driven off the planet. The divas, of course, are the nature spirits.

And as Tolkien shows us very clearly in the Lord of the Rings, Sauron and Sauraman are destroying nature to fuel and finance some mysterious project. And if you go back and look and see in history who Sauron is, it's obvious that Tolkien talking about Sargon. Sargon was the first real king of the Kali Yuga in Mesopotamia.

He started calendars. He started clocks. He started the workday. He started everything, and he was an Aryan. And so you can see that there's this regimented thing that starts entering in and removes us from the natural state of a highly advanced hunter/gatherer, which is really what human beings are.

And that's our natural state - very close to the Earth, no agriculture, all fresh foods, a lot of hunting, and a lot of gathering. Very spiritual though. Not a grunting life, but a wonderful beautiful life filled with meditation and a much higher standard of living, which was what was going on before the Aryans emerged.

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The first official investigation, carried out by the U.S. Air Force, into reports of "flying disks." Project Sign (officially known as Special Project HT-304) was established on December 30, 1947, in response to the massive wave of sightings that year (see saucer flap of 1947) and following recommendations by Lieutenant-General Nathan F. Twining, the head of Air Materiel Command (AMC). It was staffed by members of AMC's Technical Intelligence Division, based at Wright Field (now Wright-Patterson AFB), Dayton, Ohio, and began work on January 22, 1948.

At the outset, the consensus among Sign researchers seems to have been that the flying disks (UFOs) were real and were most likely advanced Soviet aircraft, possibly developed from German prototypes captured at the end of World War II. During the 368 days of Sign's existence, however, opinion shifted to the extent that in a secret document entitled, Estimate of the Situation, which reached U.S.A.F. Chief of Staff General Hoyt S. Vandenburg in early October 1948, it was suggested that the extraterrestrial hypothesis offered the best solution to the mystery of the flying disks. Vandenburg rejected this conclusion, the document was declassified a few months later, and all copies of it were ordered burned. When the destruction order became public knowledge, in the mid-1950s, it served to inflame a growing belief that the government was orchestrating a cover-up as to the true nature of UFOs. Subsequent denials by the Air Force that the Estimate document had ever existed only further exacerbated the situation. Following Vandenburg's rejection of the extraterrestrial hypothesis, supporters of this view at Sign were gradually reassigned to other duties until skeptics became the majority. In its final report, Project Sign expressed itself guardedly on the extraterrestrial issue:
It is hard to believe that any technically accomplished race would come here, flaunt its ability in mysterious ways and then simply go away ... Only one motive can be assigned; that the spacemen are "feeling out" our defenses without wanting to be belligerent. If so, they must have been satisfied long ago that we can't catch them... Although visits from outer space are believed to be possible, they are believed to be very improbable. In particular, the actions attributed to the "flying objects" reported during 1947 and 1948 seem inconsistent with the requirements for space travel.
On February 11, 1949, Project Sign gave way to its successor, Project Grudge.

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Jay is spot on IMO I have seen plenty of evidence that corroborates his story and could fill an entire thread with material to back it.
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« Reply #167 on: October 16, 2010, 08:51:09 AM »

Ummm...no.  Mars is Ares.  Not "Aries".  Big difference.

Epic fail.

And that is just the tip of the iceberg, but go out and buy your SPF 5,000,000 if that is what you feel you must do.

Fantasy land.
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« Reply #168 on: October 16, 2010, 08:55:04 AM »

No, that was exactly what i said, as you didnt answer the question.

How is this not an answer:

"Likely I have the same evidence as you do. This evidence combined with the absolute fact that the past 80 years of alien abductions have been staged is compelling."

What is there not to understand. There is no evidence of non-elite controlled deceptions when it comes to alien abductions. Absolutely zero, wtf? You have no evidence of it, none. It does not exist. You wish me to provide evidence that there is no evidence that whatever alien mumbo jumbo you come up with cannot be explained via the elites using aliens as a method to control their society. When you add that with the fact that the past 80 years of fake alien abductions are proven to be elites manipulating narratives then it is hard to manufacture conclusions other than the most obvious...alien abductions are a hoax by the elite to rape god given rights from individuals.

Of course, you could actually read what I wrote, or you could again flippantly say "I guess that is a no" and post more funny faces. That may be easier for you to process as it would not require any actual expansion of knowledge on this subject.
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« Reply #169 on: October 16, 2010, 09:00:11 AM »

To all those looking at the work of William Lyne look at 1 thing. His compass. He claims he has aqquired a slave compass from a Nazi UFO. His compass is in fact from a Heinkel 111 Bomber and other companies make the EXACT same component down to the part number so that piece of his information is pure hooey.


You are using that one possible issue to deny the massive truth by Lyne? Woweeeeeee

And then you go on about a spinoff of the Scientology thetans boogie boogie nonsense without any transition whatsoever?

The illuminutsos last card of the alien hoax is failing so massively it is not even funny.
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« Reply #170 on: October 16, 2010, 09:03:49 AM »

How Embarrassing: Astronomers Lose Life-Friendly Planet
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2010/10/how_embarrassing--astronomers_039341.html

New Scientist is reporting: "Last month, a team of astronomers announced the discovery of the first alien world that could host life on its surface. Now a second team can find no evidence of the planet, casting doubt on its existence."

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« Reply #171 on: October 16, 2010, 09:13:56 AM »

How Embarrassing: Astronomers Lose Life-Friendly Planet
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2010/10/how_embarrassing--astronomers_039341.html

New Scientist is reporting: "Last month, a team of astronomers announced the discovery of the first alien world that could host life on its surface. Now a second team can find no evidence of the planet, casting doubt on its existence."

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How is this not an answer:

"Likely I have the same evidence as you do. This evidence combined with the absolute fact that the past 80 years of alien abductions have been staged is compelling."

What is there not to understand. There is no evidence of non-elite controlled deceptions when it comes to alien abductions. Absolutely zero, wtf? You have no evidence of it, none. It does not exist. You wish me to provide evidence that there is no evidence that whatever alien mumbo jumbo you come up with cannot be explained via the elites using aliens as a method to control their society. When you add that with the fact that the past 80 years of fake alien abductions are proven to be elites manipulating narratives then it is hard to manufacture conclusions other than the most obvious...alien abductions are a hoax by the elite to rape god given rights from individuals.

Of course, you could actually read what I wrote, or you could again flippantly say "I guess that is a no" and post more funny faces. That may be easier for you to process as it would not require any actual expansion of knowledge on this subject.

Have i ever said there was none? No i havent, and in fact have agreed with you on every occasion that the Governments of the world are in fact pulling their own sting over this. BUT!!! To which you just completley ignore, is that this is a real phenominom thay happens, and no they are not aliens from another planet, never said they were.


The guess not was in regards to you 10000 year old crap.  Roll Eyes
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How Embarrassing: Astronomers Lose Life-Friendly Planet
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2010/10/how_embarrassing--astronomers_039341.html

New Scientist is reporting: "Last month, a team of astronomers announced the discovery of the first alien world that could host life on its surface. Now a second team can find no evidence of the planet, casting doubt on its existence."

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« Reply #174 on: October 16, 2010, 09:49:25 AM »

Have i ever said there was none? No i havent, and in fact have agreed with you on every occasion that the Governments of the world are in fact pulling their own sting over this. BUT!!! To which you just completley ignore, is that this is a real phenominom thay happens, and no they are not aliens from another planet, never said they were.


The guess not was in regards to you 10000 year old crap.  Roll Eyes

Oh, my apology. Please accept my past response to your challenge made a month ago...

This predates the 1900's, who was doing it back then?  

My response back then remains unchanged...



Snake god operations have been going on for over 10,000 years.




"Running a Snake-God Operation"
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"Snake God Operation"

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Alex Jones:

So they want to have that normal change come and say it is manmade to have a planetary government to come and save us from the crisis.
Cause the truth is volcanoes blow up, glaciers suddenly form and in just a few years sea levels go up, they go down.  What are they talking about? They have to have an Earth with a stable climate...
Hey baby...
There isn't any stable climate.  
We are on a gigantic spaceship.  
A huge rock,
a molten rock
with little islands floating on top of lava.  
Oh yeah...
orbiting a gigantic nuclear furnace,
blasting out every type of radiation you can imagine.
"oh, we must make it stable"
IT ISN'T STABLE!
But that is the same witch doctor trick they learned 10,000 years ago, 7,000 years ago, 5,000 years ago, 3,000 years ago
they would tell them, because the priest would mark down the dates on the calender
it didn't matter if it was in Greece, or Mesopotamia, or Babylon, or the Aztec imans, the mayan culture before that
they would know when the eclipse was coming and they would say:
"you gotta serve us, do what we say
or the god..." the goblin god, the snake god, the titan, whoever it was
it was different for every group "...will eat the sun."
and it eats the sun, they all prostrate themselves before them and then worship them for another 30 years
till another thing happens and by then after they had seen four or five eclipses and the snake god
and the priests had the power to make the snake god spit it out,
it was over.
And they are just running a "snake-god" op on you as usual
and of course you will all fall directly for it and take your injections.


The Indus Valley civilisation of 3000 B.C. gives ample proof of the popularity of snake-worship amongst the Nagas, whose culture was fairly wide-spread in India even before the Aryans came. Later, the Indo-Aryans began to worship many of the snake deities of the Nagas and some of them even found mention in the Hindu Puranas. http://www.theholidayspot.com/nag_panchami/nag_panchami_history.htm

More: http://sreechandrab.sulekha.com/blog/post/2009/07/day-of-naga-panchami-and-snake-worship.htm





To which you responded:

So, who was running the ufo's back then?
Who was doing the abduction's?
and please state how they were doing this across whole different continents and peoples not connected.

To which I responded:

who was not connected?

we have been connected for quite a long time.

listen to bill cooper's mystery babylon series.

who was doing what abductions?

ufo's? what ufo's? the project bluebeam fabricated evidence or the natural tendency of a powerhungry psychopathic elite to deceive their "flock"?

To which you responded:

I know Bills series quite well thank you. So are you going to give me an answer or dance around it? ufos have been around for a very very long time. So who was project blue beaming way back in history? Come on? Same history as today, this didnt start in WWII or 1947 it started thousands of years ago. SO who was doing it? CIA? NSA? Nazis? Thousands of years ago?  Roll Eyes

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I know Bills series quite well thank you.

Perhaps it is time for a review.

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So are you going to give me an answer or dance around it?

You are the one dancing with smurfs, please explain why so called "extra-terrestrial" tech improved at exactly the same progression as terrestrial tech.

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ufos have been around for a very very long time.

define long.

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So who was project blue beaming way back in history? Come on?

Snake-god operations, project blue-beam is just another snake god operation. We went over this, do you need me to have the court stenographer repeat the information from a few posts ago?

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Same history as today, this didnt start in WWII or 1947 it started thousands of years ago.

It became a solidified new world order operation with satellite technology.

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SO who was doing it? CIA? NSA? Nazis? Thousands of years ago?  Roll Eyes

That is precisely why you need a refresher of Bill Cooper, I also recommend Alan Watt.



To which you responded line by line:

Perhaps it is time for a review.

perhaps it is, you can start here.

ohn Keel - Why Ufos:Operation Trojan Horse
http://www.scribd.com/doc/18987109/John-Keel-Why-UfosOperation-Trojan-Horse

John Keel - Our Haunted Planet
http://www.scribd.com/doc/19000055/Our-Haunted-Planet

John Keel - The MothMan Prophecies
http://www.scribd.com/doc/19002227/The-MothMan-Prophecies

Jacques Vallee - Passport to Magonia on UFOs Folklore and Parallel Worlds
http://www.scribd.com/doc/16741503/Passport-to-Magonia-on-UFOs-Folklore-and-Parallel-Worlds

Jacques Vallee - Dimensions: A Casebook of Alien Contact
http://www.scribd.com/doc/18997858/Dimensions-A-Casebook-of-Alien-Contact

Jacques Vallee - CONFRONTATIONS:A Scientist's Search for Alien Contact
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Jacques Vallee - Revelations
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SECRET CIPHER OF THE UFOnauts
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WARNING
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You are the one dancing with smurfs, please explain why so called "extra-terrestrial" tech improved at exactly the same progression as terrestrial tech.

uhm, it didnt. please explain your thinking.

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thousands of years

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Snake-god operations, project blue-beam is just another snake god operation. We went over this, do you need me to have the court stenographer repeat the information from a few posts ago?

Maybe just a revue of the facts.Who had the blue beam technology before the 1900's again?  

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It became a solidified new world order operation with satellite technology.

I agree with that, the PTB are using this for their own agenda.

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That is precisely why you need a refresher of Bill Cooper, I also recommend Alan Watt.

I know Bills position quite well, ill skip on watts, dont know who he pilfered it from.



To which I again attempted to explain what is going on:

what do you think bill's position was? you may be wrong in your analysis.

and bluebeam is just a new name for a current snake god operation which have been going on for 10,000 years.

and watt "pilfered" his information from actual original texts of new world order psychos, you do seem to be running around very odd cointelpro rumor mills lately.


You seem to be attached to names like CIA and Bluebeam as if the alien hoax and the deep state in society are new things.

They have been going on for 10,000 years.

The British, the Romans, the Turks, the Greek, the Pharaohs all used alien bullshit and a deep secret state of control over their slave societies. Just because there was no project bluebeam 7,000 years ago does not mean there was no deception in society. The argument you present seems to me to be lacking in thorough thought. Bluebeam and CIA are simply current names of control groups/projects the elites have used for thousands of years. The founding fathers talked about it, jesus warned us about elite power, deception, and corruption. This has existed for a long, long, long, long time. Just because jesus or our founding fathers did not say CIA or bluebeam does not mean deceprtion, corruption, and elite goals to enslave humanity through hoaxes and fear have not existed well before 100 years ago.
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Well I would disgree with that. I seem to hold this arrogant, delusional belief that the tens of sextillions of solar systems in the universe weren't created just for us.

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To which I again attempted to explain what is going on:


You seem to be attached to names like CIA and Bluebeam as if the alien hoax and the deep state in society are new things.

They have been going on for 10,000 years.

The British, the Romans, the Turks, the Greek, the Pharaohs all used alien bullshit and a deep secret state of control over their slave societies. Just because there was no project bluebeam 7,000 years ago does not mean there was no deception in society. The argument you present seems to me to be lacking in thorough thought. Bluebeam and CIA are simply current names of control groups/projects the elites have used for thousands of years. The founding fathers talked about it, Jesus warned us about elite power, deception, and corruption. This has existed for a long, long, long, long time. Just because Jesus or our founding fathers did not say CIA or bluebeam does not mean deception, corruption, and elite goals to enslave humanity through hoaxes and fear have not existed well before 100 years ago.

All of that to get to this, you were always good at the slide.

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To which I again attempted to explain what is going on:

No you only accept one side of it, you don't look at both sides. You fully accept one, while fully rejecting the other. I take both. as I've said.

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You seem to be attached to names like CIA and Bluebeam as if the alien hoax and the deep state in society are new things.

You seem to use those 2 names in almost every other post. I'm looking at the Historical and Spiritual nature of the phenomenon. Not every thing can be explained by your belief, in fact very little of it can. Unless the CIA was hidding in every culture in history whispering in every ones ears.  Roll Eyes

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Really? They used aliens? as if from another planet aliens?

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Just because there was no project bluebeam 7,000 years ago does not mean there was no deception in society.

again, i never said that, there was and still is, in fact the whole UFO phenomenon is a deception, as Ive said many times before.

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The argument you present seems to me to be lacking in thorough thought.

Really? that demons are attacking people? lacking thorough thought?  Cheesy right....

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Jesus warned us about elite power, deception, and corruption

Maybe you should look into exactly what Jesus said about this day and age. How before his coming the world would be the same as in the days of Noah. Guess what, they are. Maybe you should look into some of the other things he had to say on demonic attacks and spiritual entities. There are whole chapters in the Bible devoted to it.

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Just because Jesus or our founding fathers did not say CIA or bluebeam does not mean deception, corruption, and elite goals to enslave humanity through hoaxes and fear have not existed well before 100 years ago.

Ah, but Jesus did say there were Devils and Demons. He did say we are in a spiritual warfare.

Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].

Dont discount the spiritual nature of this, for you do so at your own risk.
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« Reply #177 on: October 16, 2010, 10:28:44 AM »

All of that to get to this, you were always good at the slide.

No you only accept one side of it, you don't look at both sides. You fully accept one, while fully rejecting the other. I take both. as I've said.

You seem to use those 2 names in almost every other post. I'm looking at the Historical and Spiritual nature of the phenomenon. Not every thing can be explained by your belief, in fact very little of it can. Unless the CIA was hidding in every culture in history whispering in every ones ears.  Roll Eyes

Really? They used aliens? as if from another planet aliens?

again, i never said that, there was and still is, in fact the whole UFO phenomenon is a deception, as Ive said many times before.

Really? that demons are attacking people? lacking thorough thought?  Cheesy right....

Maybe you should look into exactly what Jesus said about this day and age. How before his coming the world would be the same as in the days of Noah. Guess what, they are. Maybe you should look into some of the other things he had to say on demonic attacks and spiritual entities. There are whole chapters in the Bible devoted to it.

Ah, but Jesus did say there were Devils and Demons. He did say we are in a spiritual warfare.

Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].

Dont discount the spiritual nature of this, for you do so at your own risk.

So you agree that all alien crap is bullshit. Cool.

You say that there is a demonic and evil presence which is attacking humanity itself? Derrrrrrrrr. You think I do not know that? You think I do not try to point that out in various ways? WTF? you really do selectively read and interpret my posts. As far as giving the devil some type of power other than what it truly is...

AN INABILITY BY AN INCESTUOUS GROUP OF CONTROL FREAK PSYCHPATH ELITES TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE ABSOLUTE BEAUTY OF GOD'S GIFT CALLED FREE WILL. THIS COWARDLY GROUP OF ANTI-HUMANISTS DEPEND ON DECEPTION, ARTIFICIAL REALITY, AND FEAR TO COVER FOR THEIR INABILITY TO EVER GENUINELY COMPETE WITH GOD'S GIFT OF HUMANITY ON A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD.

...I suppose we can debate that. You are damn right that there is a spiritual battle. It is a battle of morality, humanity, love, and free will against total insanity, slavery, hate, deception, and human extinction.
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« Reply #178 on: October 16, 2010, 10:33:36 AM »

Alan Watt explains UFO's are a global problem needing a global solution.  As the global wars on Terror, War on Drugs, War on Poverty, War on Climate Change.
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« Reply #179 on: October 16, 2010, 10:36:26 AM »

He's obviously a smart guy. Smiley Most people here puke when someone says "we must get global."
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« Reply #180 on: October 16, 2010, 10:40:34 AM »

He's obviously a smart guy. Smiley Most people here puke when someone says "we must get global."

I believe he's pointing out the scam of it, comparing it to other action reaction nwo ops.
I haven't heard him much on about the aliens, mostly the global takeover of soceity and things related.
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« Reply #181 on: October 16, 2010, 10:41:04 AM »

So you agree that all alien crap is bullshit.

Ive always said they weren't from another planet.

Cool.

You say that there is a demonic and evil presence which is attacking humanity itself?

Yep that's what i have always said.

Derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

You think I do not know that? You think I do not try to point that out in various ways?

honestly? it doesn't come out very well.

WTF? you really do selectively read and interpret my posts.

I can say the same thing.

As far as giving the devil some type of power other than what it truly is...

AN INABILITY BY AN INCESTUOUS GROUP OF CONTROL FREAK PSYCHPATH ELITES TO ACKNOLEDGE THE ABSOLUTE BEAUTY OF GOD'S GIFT CALLED FREE WILL. THIS COWARDIST GROUP OF ANTI-HUMANISTS DEPENDS ON DECEPTION, ARTIFICIAL REALITY, AND FEAR TO COVER FOR THE ELITE'S INABILITY TO EVER GENUINELY PLAY ON A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD.

...I suppose we can debate that.

You are damn right that there is a spiritual battle. It is a battle of morality, humanity, love, and free will against total insanity, slavery, hate, deception, and human extinction.

No, it is a battle to accept Christ Jesus or not. It is literally a battle for your very soul. It is a deception that Jesus isnt real, or he was from another planet, or that he is in fact an alien still alive. It is a deception to do anything it can to point you away from Jesus as Lord and Savior. Once you realize that it is a spiritual battle it all makes perfect sense.
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« Reply #182 on: October 16, 2010, 10:43:28 AM »



Looks like JT has exposed the latest Northrup Gruman/Lockheed/Boeing "mother ship" 2 years before they attacked China with it...

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I like to stay out of things that are speculative, or lack "enough" objective evidence... but since Alex broached this subject today on the radio show... 09/08/08... namely, a three football field sized triangular object floating in the skies over Dallas Texas, witnessed by lots of people... well, it brings me to a personal experience, shared by a close friend about 12 years ago now... here is the way it went down.

Let me set the stage ... It was an puffy overcast late spring day, I was sitting in the living room, it was about 11:00 am. I did not write down the date, nor the day of the week. I have narrowed it down to between the 11th and 16th of June 1996.  I heard the sound of helicopters, very close.  I always had my Olympus OM-1 with a 50mm F/1.2 lens, loaded and handy everywhere I went, so I grabbed it and ran out into the front yard to see what was happening.  Less than a thousand ft. above the house there were three helicopters cruising around, equally spaced, in a wide circle overhead, moving counterclockwise from my point of view, the circle they made was about 1/2 mile in diameter.
 
The center of the circle was about a quarter of a mile southwest of my position in the beginning but seemed to be moving toward the northeast, the direction of Denver International Airport which meant the center would pass almost directly overhead.  I readied my camera setting it according to the light meter, for the 200ASA FujiColor print film I had in the camera. The F/stop and shutter speed  were set at... F/5.6... 1/250th of a second, I did write that down.

While getting everything set up, the center of the circle had moved to just northeast of my position. One chopper was in view to the west-southwest of my position while the other two, though closer, were obscured by tall trees from the east and north.
As the one visible chopper swung around from the west toward me, I snapped a shot. It was moving my direction, toward the northeast. It passed almost over head, the angle was about 60 degrees above the northern horizon. this is when I snapped the picture below, which was the second shot. Then snapped a third and a fouth shot, as fast as I could cycle the winding lever, aim, and shoot... The last three shots were all snapped in less than 6 seconds.

My friend was there as this all happened and witnessed it. Neither of us saw any thing other than the helicopters, but we both thought it odd to see 3 Cobras circling in a wide perfect circle moving at about a mile per revolution from the southwest to the northeast.

These shots were among the first frames exposed on a new roll of film that was proccessed a month later or so, on July 23rd 1996... You could imagine my surprise when I saw this:



I have my own theoretical assessment on this image... I must point out from the onset here, that the film negative has been completely checked for any defects and there were none... there were no flares, or Frisbees in the area. This image is not a film anomaly and came through the lens and was exposed at the same instant as the rest of the image.

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« Reply #183 on: October 16, 2010, 10:56:17 AM »

Ive always said they weren't from another planet.
Yep that's what i have always said.

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honestly? it doesn't come out very well.

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I can say the same thing.

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No, it is a battle to accept Christ Jesus or not. It is literally a battle for your very soul. It is a deception that Jesus isnt real, or he was from another planet, or that he is in fact an alien still alive. It is a deception to do anything it can to point you away from Jesus as Lord and Savior. Once you realize that it is a spiritual battle it all makes perfect sense.

That likely would eliminate 5 billion people from winning your proposed battle.

And Jesus would definitely not approve of that. I think it is impossible for someone to truly accept jesus as their saviour when they think that humanity will fail if everyone else does not also accept jesus as their saviour. I think this is an absolute falsehood on what humanity is all about, what god's will is all about, what free will is all about and what jesus was all about. I take this interpretation from a combination of Jefferson, Washington, Adams, Madison, Ghandi, and MLK's views on society, religion, and humanity.

But this really belongs in the bible thumping thread as it already seems to be inching that way.
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« Reply #184 on: October 16, 2010, 11:01:28 AM »


That likely would eliminate 5 billion people from winning your proposed battle.

Way more than that, and its not my battle, its every ones individual battle, including yourself.

And Jesus would definitely not approve of that. I think it is impossible for someone to truly accept jesus as their saviour when they think that humanity will fail if everyone else does not also accept jesus as their saviour. I think this is an absolute falsehood on what humanity is all about, what god's will is all about, what free will is all about and what jesus was all about. I take this interpretation from a combination of Jefferson, Washington, Adams, Madison, Ghandi, and MLK's views on society, religion, and humanity.

Yet that is Jesus's view, you are taking mans view, and not Jesus's. Who do you think is right?

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But this really belongs in the bible thumping thread as it already seems to be inching that way.

Really? Why? Shouldnt it stay in the UFO section.

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« Reply #185 on: October 16, 2010, 11:11:04 AM »

Can I save time and ask if Dok thinks all UFO are demons ?
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« Reply #186 on: October 16, 2010, 11:13:31 AM »

Can I save time and ask if Dok thinks all UFO are demons ?


as ive said many times, things like the Big Triangle are ran by the Gov, things like Gulf Breeze, are the real thing. But then again, i think most people in the Gov. are influenced by devils.  Grin
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« Reply #187 on: October 16, 2010, 11:14:42 AM »

Way more than that, and its not my battle, its every ones individual battle, including yourself.

So you believe you are the one who knows what every individual's battle is? You are the all seeing one who can deny all of free will and tell them what they have to do? That definitely would conflict with humanity as explained by historical examples.

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Yet that is Jesus's view, you are taking mans view, and not Jesus's. Who do you think is right?

I do not agree with you on this.

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Everyone is well aware of the necessity of the elites to discredit the foundations of a nation in order to eliminate its sovereignty. Of course this denies the factual history of most of the founding fathers and even the constitution itself. But feel free to continue going after the "secret boogie boogie" beginnings when there ain't nothing secret about the thousands of documents available in plain sight including all corresopondences, the federalist, anti-federalist papers, thomas paine, etc. It also denies that John Quincy Adams founded the anti-mason party and that George Washington is on record as being concerned with the illuminati corrupting this country as they were doing in Europe. Nice fairy tale though.

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Really? Why? Shouldnt it stay in the UFO section.

Is that a joke?
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« Reply #188 on: October 16, 2010, 11:18:22 AM »

So you believe you are the one who knows what every individual's battle is? You are the all seeing one who can deny all of free will and tell them what they have to do? That definitely would conflict with humanity as explained by historical examples.

Yet its 100% in accordance with the Bible.

I do not agree with you on this.

That is your personal belief, but maybe you should look into it. Jesus did say that.


Everyone is well aware of the necessity of the elites to discredit the foundations of a nation in order to eliminate its sovereignty. Of course this denies the factual history of most of the founding fathers and even the constitution itself. But feel free to continue going after the "secret boogie boogie" beginnings when there ain't nothing secret about the thousands of documents available in plain sight including all corresopondences, the federalist, anti-federalist papers, thomas paine, etc. It also denies that John Quincy Adams founded the anti-mason party and that George Washington is on record as being concerned with the illuminati corrupting this country as they were doing in Europe. Nice fairy tale though.

Cris Pinto is now a disinfo guy? Really?

Is that a joke?

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« Reply #189 on: October 16, 2010, 11:41:03 AM »

Yet its 100% in accordance with the Bible.

I do not agree at all, but again that would be for a bible thumping thread. You believe that all must follow one narrow path and I blieve in an abundance of paths to awaken to humanity and the threats to it. Not saying my belief is any better than yours, it is just my belief. I do not think my belief should cause you personal discomfort unless your belief ar future is dependent on what my personal beliefs are.

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That is your personal belief, but maybe you should look into it. Jesus did say that.

definitely a topic for the bible thumping room.

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Cris Pinto is now a disinfo guy? Really?

The idea that the founding fathers were planning to destroy humanity via this great experiment is 100% bullshit. Even if you 100% follow Bill Cooper's belief on this subject (which I think is a plausible scenario), the country and the constitution represents the biggest threat to the New World Order. Additionally, this experiment has proven that free will and freedom create abundance and an expansion of spirituality. The only way the "dark forces" have been able to attack this "one nation under god" was by breeching the very contract they supposedly agreed to.

Background: Bill Cooper believes that the US was set up as an experiment to see if free will truly should be allowed for humanity. Supposedly, the constitution granted such an abundance of free will, the global elite thought it would implode on itself over time such that the elites would be justified in never allowing free will again.

Well guess what...WE WON!

The elite having failed have conducted breeches in the contract with America by:

1] co-opting most churches via the rockefeller foundation
2] provoking the civil war
3] fluoridating the water supply
4] clandestine genetic engineering
5] cemtrails
6] the assassination of our democratically elected public servants
7] false flags
8] the IRS
9] chemtrails

and there are over 100 others. the elite failed and they are chemically poisoning us, mind controlling us, attempting to artificially manufacture false realities, provoking infightingm etc. They failed, they continue to fail, and they just keep breaking the contract until the world will see that they are the true terrorists to humanity itself.

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The thread has to do with why the elite are rolling out the alien hoax...I think we agree on this.

The rest of the discussion between us seems to be on our varying interpretations of the bible and what freedom of religion means. Would you not agree?
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« Reply #190 on: October 16, 2010, 11:58:31 AM »

I do not agree at all, but again that would be for a bible thumping thread. You believe that all must follow one narrow path and I blieve in an abundance of paths to awaken to humanity and the threats to it. Not saying my belief is any better than yours, it is just my belief. I do not think my belief should cause you personal discomfort unless your belief ar future is dependent on what my personal beliefs are.

I believe what Jesus and the Bible says about the narrow way Again, maybe you shuld look into it.

definitely a topic for the bible thumping room.

Maybe the discussion we are now having.

The idea that the founding fathers were planning to destroy humanity via this great experiment is 100% bullshit. Even if you 100% follow Bill Cooper's belief on this subject (which I think is a plausible scenario), the country and the constitution represents the biggest threat to the New World Order. Additionally, this experiment has proven that free will and freedom create abundance and an expansion of spirituality. The only way the "dark forces" have been able to attack this "one nation under god" was by breeching the very contract they supposedly agreed to.

Background: Bill Cooper believes that the US was set up as an experiment to see if free will truly should be allowed for humanity. Supposedly, the constitution granted such an abundance of free will, the global elite thought it would implode on itself over time such that the elites would be justified in never allowing free will again.

Well guess what...WE WON!

The elite having failed have conducted breeches in the contract with America by:

1] co-opting most churches via the rockefeller foundation
2] provoking the civil war
3] fluoridating the water supply
4] clandestine genetic engineering
5] cemtrails
6] the assassination of our democratically elected public servants
7] false flags
8] the IRS
9] chemtrails

and there are over 100 others. the elite failed and they are chemically poisoning us, mind controlling us, attempting to artificially manufacture false realities, provoking infightingm etc. They failed, they continue to fail, and they just keep breaking the contract until the world will see that they are the true terrorists to humanity itself.

I think they are winning more than we are. The world is heading toward a one world Government and the US is going right along with it.

The thread has to do with why the elite are rolling out the alien hoax...I think we agree on this.

I think we better understand each other now.

The rest of the discussion between us seems to be on our varying interpretations of the bible and what freedom of religion means. Would you not agree?

sure.
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Im a member od CE4.  Smiley If you would have taken the time and looked at my SCRIBD site, instead of ridiculling it, you might have noticed that.

I believe some are, dont know about Tesla, i think people give him to much credit for things, that cannot be proven. Take the giant flying triangle, that is man made, and most likley a Gov. OP. Take the Gulf Breeze incedent, that is an actuall encounter.


Oh ..i just realized you saying the same thing pretty much as me ..that there are no ufo-aliens visiting this planet..
My bad, Dok Smiley

Actually ..if you’re a member of that CE-4 organization..
Then with the more reason I suggest you look into William Lyne’s material and to what appears to be the fact of things, that Nikola Tesla really invented this “flying saucer” -technology.
I think promoting this information might be useful to CE-4 (and to everybody actually), along with the side it’s already promoting.
This way the organization would have even more concrete proof and information to show for people that “flying saucers” are man-made.


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« Reply #192 on: October 18, 2010, 07:23:04 AM »

Oh ..i just realized you saying the same thing pretty much as me ..that there are no ufo-aliens visiting this planet..
My bad, Dok Smiley

Basically, some what.

Actually ..if you’re a member of that CE-4 organization..
Then with the more reason I suggest you look into William Lyne’s material and to what appears to be the fact of things, that Nikola Tesla really invented this “flying saucer” -technology.
I think promoting this information might be useful to CE-4 (and to everybody actually), along with the side it’s already promoting.
This way the organization would have even more concrete proof and information to show for people that “flying saucers” are man-made.


Peace.


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On August 3, 989, during a period of great social unrest, three
round objects of unusual brilliance were observed; later they
joined together. In 1361, a flying object described as being "shaped
like a drum, about twenty feet in diameter" emerged from the
inland sea off western Japan. On January 2, 1458, a bright object
resembling the full moon was seen in the sky, and this apparition
was followed by "curious signs" in heaven and earth. People were
"amazed." Two months later, on March 17, 1458, five stars appeared,
circling the moon. They changed color three times and
vanished suddenly. The rulers were utterly distressed and believed
that the sign announced a great disturbance throughout the land.
All the people in Kyoto were expecting disasters to follow, and
the emperor himself was very upset. Ten years later, on March 8,
1468, a dark object, which made a "sound like a wheel," flew
from Mt. Kasuga toward the west at midnight. The combination
of the sound and the darkness of the flying object is difficult to
explain in natural terms.

On January 3, 1569, in the evening, a flaming star appeared in
the sky. It was regarded as an omen of serious changes, announcing
the fall of the Chu Dynasty. Such phenomena continued
during the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries. For instance, in
May, 1606, fireballs were continuously reported over Kyoto, and
one night a whirling ball of fire resembling a red wheel hovered
near the Nijo Castle and was observed by many of the samurai.
The next morning the city was filled with rumors and the people
muttered: "This must be a portent."

One noon in September, 1702, the sun took on a bloody color
several days in succession and cottonlike threads fell down, apparently
falling from the sun itself—phenomena reminiscent of
the 1917 observations in Fatima, Portugal.

Chaos spread all over Japan on January 2, 1749, when three
round objects "like the moon" appeared and were seen for four
days. Such a state of social unrest developed, and seemed so
clearly linked with the mysterious "celestial objects," that the
government decided to act. Riot participants were executed. But
confusion became total when people observed three "moons"
aligned in the sky and, several days later, two "suns."

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« Reply #193 on: October 18, 2010, 07:31:05 AM »

Just as an OT... hey, Tesla, that was essentially before physics became too complicated to understand for the layman and the semi layman... to you who actually believe that he did this, that he made a WORKING PROTOTYPE or at worst plans for an actual craft complete with materials, measurements et cetera... do you realize that it should be something rather obvious now? Or rather, let me ask directly, do YOU have at least theories as to what principles he might have used?

He was no occultist, we are not talking the astral plane, no "weird unknown energies", it must have been the level of high school physics-like complexity... This was actually before the age of the Diesel engine, so nothing more complex than that, in essence, it should be something a handy American should be able to assemble in his garage... I think this might be interesting, and if you are correct 100% doable...

(which of course implies that you are not correct and that Tesla did make no such a device... but I post it as a challenge rather than the good old "this is impossible" drivel. I am really interested if you by chance have a rebutal for my argument...)

(That does not mean that such a device cound not have been made in the fifties or later, using applied relativity, nuclear, later particle - quantum physics, which would make them at least a hundredfold more complex and non trivial to even think up, let alone assembled but it almost certainly did not happen in the Belle Epoque. Smiley)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DxyyvzGJnE&feature=player_embedded
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Still Tesla made ufo's? Do you need more?

Read more here.

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In Tibet ...they see flying monks at times. ..they also see bolts of light ..in bible they present many "visions" like these.

People have seen "astral-visions" and 'apparitions' for thousands of years, and in their scriptures gods and deities were described flying on animals and chariots and what not..These kinda inspire people to see stuff or to be shown stuff this by ancestor-spirits

In 19th century USA and UK ..they reported seeing "ghost ships(boats) with canvas tops" ..some reported that anchors of these ships hooked thing off the ground to these ships..
People see weird things ..gods, angels, demons, monsters, ghosts

..so what are you trying to say exactly?! ..can you use plain language and get to the point




Yep, still Tesla invented the so called “anti-gravity flying machine”
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Really? And how come it was not re-invented later? How come there is not an "anti gravity technology underground?" If it was to be economically feastible back then, it would have been easily creatable in a garage... see my above post.

Remember that they had no advanced materials, very little in plasts, they had refining, fine, we can buy any fractional petroleum material on the free market. They had some finer metals, but nothing unobtainable. Lastly, they had no applied relativity and no quantum physics, they thought atoms were composed of undividable protons, electrons and neutrons and look kinda like the solar system. And they had no advanced assembly machines. Oh, and no computers too, so no authomatics beyond what you can see on a steam engine or a locomotive. Yes, a primitive and horribly expensive and inefficient electrical engine that was state of the art. Now we have literally thousand times better ones in every way.

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« Reply #197 on: October 18, 2010, 08:13:31 AM »

Just as an OT... hey, Tesla, that was essentially before physics became too complicated to understand for the layman and the semi layman... to you who actually believe that he did this, that he made a WORKING PROTOTYPE or at worst plans for an actual craft complete with materials, measurements et cetera... do you realize that it should be something rather obvious now? Or rather, let me ask directly, do YOU have at least theories as to what principles he might have used?

He was no occultist, we are not talking the astral plane, no "weird unknown energies", it must have been the level of high school physics-like complexity... This was actually before the age of the Diesel engine, so nothing more complex than that, in essence, it should be something a handy American should be able to assemble in his garage... I think this might be interesting, and if you are correct 100% doable...

(which of course implies that you are not correct and that Tesla did make no such a device... but I post it as a challenge rather than the good old "this is impossible" drivel. I am really interested if you by chance have a rebutal for my argument...)

(That does not mean that such a device cound not have been made in the fifties or later, using applied relativity, nuclear, later particle - quantum physics, which would make them at least a hundredfold more complex and non trivial to even think up, let alone assembled but it almost certainly did not happen in the Belle Epoque. Smiley)


These should explain the principles for you quite well..
PowerPedia:Tesla’s Flying Machine
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PowerPedia:Tesla's Dynamic Theory of Gravity
http://peswiki.com/index.php/PowerPedia:Tesla's_Dynamic_Theory_of_Gravity

Also at the very first post to this thread, there is a quote out of William Lyne’s book, which explains also some of the electrical scientific findings of 19th century (and earlier) which helped Tesla on the way
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In Tibet ...they see flying monks at times. ..they also see bolts of light ..in bible they present many "visions" like these.

People have seen "astral-visions" and 'apparitions' for thousands of years, and in their scriptures gods and deities were described flying on animals and chariots and what not..These kinda inspire people to see stuff or to be shown stuff this by ancestor-spirits

In 19th century USA and UK ..they reported seeing "ghost ships(boats) with canvas tops" ..some reported that anchors of these ships hooked thing off the ground to these ships..
People see weird things ..gods, angels, demons, monsters, ghosts

..so what are you trying to say exactly?! ..can you use plain language and get to the point

That it is a real phenomenon being used to deceive people through out the ages, making it appear to be one step ahead of us in technology. The places of origin has changed over the years, at first they were from a different country, than a distant land, than under the Earth, than the Moon, than Venus, Mars, the moons of Saturn and Jupiter, finally it was a distant star. Their messages are always religious in nature, they are here to help us evolve to a higher being, IE: ye will be as gods. Today they are from another planet in advanced ufos  Roll Eyes. The message and the deception has remained the same through out the ages.

Eph 6:12  For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

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« Reply #199 on: October 18, 2010, 08:21:06 AM »

Really? And how come it was not re-invented later? How come there is not an "anti gravity technology underground?" If it was to be economically feastible back then, it would have been easily creatable in a garage... see my above post.

Remember that they had no advanced materials, very little in plasts, they had refining, fine, we can buy any fractional petroleum material on the free market. They had some finer metals, but nothing unobtainable. Lastly, they had no applied relativity and no quantum physics, they thought atoms were composed of undividable protons, electrons and neutrons and look kinda like the solar system. And they had no advanced assembly machines. Oh, and no computers too, so no authomatics beyond what you can see on a steam engine or a locomotive. Yes, a primitive and horribly expensive and inefficient electrical engine that was state of the art. Now we have literally thousand times better ones in every way.

Come on...

Well, Tesla’s discoveries were quite well scraped out of the books ..even you seem to just hear about it now ..which kinda proves the point.

Go to youtube, people actually are experimenting and getting some anti-gravity effects out of the things they have built ..but to get it work so you can build a ship around it with no electrical cords is another thing without the exact knowledge

…I’m no electrical engineer or anything but I understand the “all filling ether” medium of the cosmos and so I kinda understand the principles of these crafts ..which you will also when you just read those links I posted for you.


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