Why are the globalists rolling out the Rockefeller UFOs and fake alien hoaxes?

[Brocke]

US Air Force's 'secret' space shuttle X-37B goes missing again, rumours of possible landing

    * By staff writers
    * From: news.com.au
    * October 12, 2010 8:25PM


x-37b The US Air Force's X-37B has gone missing again, according to reports. Picture: EPA/NASA/BOEING PHANTOM WORKS/HO HO
Source: news.com.au

    * Space plane reported missing again
    * Last seen "in orbit over landing base"
    * Missing since October 7

HAS the US Air Force landed its secret space plane?

The X-37B has been orbiting the Earth for 173 days since its launch on April 22.

An unmanned vehicle with unknown intent, it's captured the imagination of skywatchers, military experts and conspiracy theorists worldwide.

It has the payload of a medium-sized truck, so maybe its purpose is to ferry spy satellites into orbit.

It can return to Earth after a single orbit, so perhaps it can pick said satellites up again after they've done their work and before they've been spotted by the enemy.

Some say it may signal the start of the weaponisation of space.

Whatever it is, it's an impressive piece of technology that at the very least has unparallelled capacity to generate headlines.


Read more: http://www.news.com.au/technology/us-air-forces-secret-space-shuttle-x-37b-goes-missing-again-rumours-of-possible-landing/story-e6frfro0-1225937846236#ixzz12AfgzwlO

[ches]

Hey..

Oh they pieced some threads together ..well, i don’t mind.

Anybody who hasn’t noticed this, just go to the opening post so see what my original thread was about ..it’s an info/link-thread about Nikola Tesla’s “flying saucer”-technology..


I found an ABC-news clip on the Hangzhou-UFO, and on the news clip they also state that the “ufo” is related to tests by Chinese military..
and this technology was invented by Nikola Tesla.

New Sighting of UFO Over China
http://abcnews.go.com/International/video/new-ufo-sightings-in-china-11813189

[ches]

Just curious, who was piloting these Government craft and blue beaming everything before the 1948?

Hello.

Well, human pilots flew these crafts during and before the 1940’s

Of course there are photos, supposedly from 1800’s UFO, but it was actually purchased from the ebay in the 2000-something ..2003 was it? ..and it looks like a fake to me. To me it looks like a “line drawn with a black permanent marker”
this, the famous  one:


Nikola Tesla started developing this ‘electro-dynamic propulsion system’ for a flying machine in his collage years, so around 1880’s or something like that.

Here’s a bit from a 1911 New York Herald Tribune from an article where Tesla describes this ‘flying machine invention he has been developing:
He clearly describes it having ‘anti-gravity abilities’
It has no wings, no propellers and no gas bags.
It can be held in the air, completely stationary for long periods of time.
The craft is not effected by winds or turbulence(holes in the air).

“The flying machine of the future—my flying machine—will be heavier than air, but it will not be an aeroplane. It will have no wings. It will be substantial, solid, stable. You cannot have a stable airplane. The gyroscope can never be successfully applied to the airplane, for it would give a stability that would result in the machine being torn to pieces by the wind, just as the unprotected aeroplane on the ground is torn to pieces by a high wind.
“My flying machine will have neither wings nor propellers. You might see it on the ground and you would never guess that it was a flying machine. Yet it will be able to move at will through the air in any direction with perfect safety, higher speeds than have yet been reached, regardless of weather and oblivious of “holes in the air” or downward currents. It will ascend in such currents if desired. It can remain absolutely stationary in the air, even in a wind, for great length of time. Its lifting power will not depend upon any such delicate devices as the bird has to employ, but upon positive mechanical action.”

“You will get stability through gyroscopes?” I asked.

“Through gyroscopic action of my engine, assisted by some devices I am not yet prepared to talk about,” he replied. “Powerful air currents that may be deflected at will, if produced by engines and compressors sufficiently light and powerful, might lift a heavy body off the ground and propel it through the air,” I ventured, wondering if I had grasped the inventor’s secret.
Dr. Tesla smiled an inscrutable smile.
“All I have to say on that point is that my airship will have neither gas bag, wings nor propellers,” he said. “It is the child of my dreams, the product of years of intense and painful toil and research. I am not going to talk about it any further. But whatever my airship may be, here at least is an engine that will do things that no other engine ever has done, and that is something tangible.” .

http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1911-10-15.htm

On this quote, Nikola Tesla describe his ‘flying machine resembling a ‘gas stove’..

“ When the manager of Westinghouse’s railway and lighting division wrote asking
for details on the turbine, Tesla replied confidently that it was superior to anything in the
competition in terms of extreme lightness and high performance. Indeed, he said, he was
planning to use it in a box-like flivver airplane.
“You should not be at all surprised,” he wrote, “if some day you see me fly from
new York to Colorado Springs in a contrivance which will resemble a gas stove and weigh
as much.” (The plane would weigh only eight hundred pounds and could if necessary
enter and depart through a window.)”


Tesla’s (real) Flying Machine
http://pritchardschool.com/Teslas_Flying_Machine.pdf

If you go through some of the links on the opening post of this thread and watch these studio interviews with William Lyne, author of Tesla-ufo books, I sure you’ll get a pretty good picture of the subject ..these video interviews are an easy start..
Hitler's Secret Flying Saucers - William Lyne 2004
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1816553936289526581&ei=Sl_YSav7G5r22wL36O2cBA&q=Hitler%27s+secret+flying+saucers#

Nazi Ufos How They Fly The German Tesla Anti-Gravity And Free Energy Program -William Lyne
http://www.guba.com/watch/3000090135

Here are few good info-links to the priciples of ”Ether (aether) physics” and Tesla’s anti-gravity-technology
PowerPedia:Tesla's Flying Machine
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Tesla%27s_Flying_Machine

PowerPedia:Tesla's Dynamic Theory of Gravity
http://peswiki.com/index.php/PowerPedia:Tesla's_Dynamic_Theory_of_Gravity


Peace

[feeditup]

At 8:30pm Thursday heading south down the west coast, I caught a glimpse of a "UFO" very well could have bin a hologram . It was in the shape of a boomerang with 8 very dim solid red lights. I am very good with the stars and flying aircraft, This did not look Solid. It was low and moving fast. You would not of even had the time to pick up a camera in the time it took to pass over, so go outside with your camera running. I never know what to expect from infowars but the Oct 13Th date has proven its self spot on and a day late. I will also state when it pass directly over my house i felt a sorta strange feeling threwout my body, might have just bin me in shock.

               I know it sound CRAZY But i couldn't have believed it if i didn't see it with my own eyes

[feeditup]

Don't reply Just try and get one on film for us, I do not want this to distract anyone from more important news but go outside at night with the camera running

[Dok]

Hello.

Well, human pilots flew these crafts during and before the 1940’s

Of course there are photos, supposedly from 1800’s UFO, but it was actually purchased from the ebay in the 2000-something ..2003 was it? ..and it looks like a fake to me. To me it looks like a “line drawn with a black permanent marker”
this, the famous  one:


Nikola Tesla started developing this ‘electro-dynamic propulsion system’ for a flying machine in his collage years, so around 1880’s or something like that.

Here’s a bit from a 1911 New York Herald Tribune from an article where Tesla describes this ‘flying machine invention he has been developing:
He clearly describes it having ‘anti-gravity abilities’
It has no wings, no propellers and no gas bags.
It can be held in the air, completely stationary for long periods of time.
The craft is not effected by winds or turbulence(holes in the air).



On this quote, Nikola Tesla describe his ‘flying machine resembling a ‘gas stove’..





If you go through some of the links on the opening post of this thread and watch these studio interviews with William Lyne, author of Tesla-ufo books, I sure you’ll get a pretty good picture of the subject ..these video interviews are an easy start..
Hitler's Secret Flying Saucers - William Lyne 2004
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1816553936289526581&ei=Sl_YSav7G5r22wL36O2cBA&q=Hitler%27s+secret+flying+saucers#

Nazi Ufos How They Fly The German Tesla Anti-Gravity And Free Energy Program -William Lyne
http://www.guba.com/watch/3000090135

Here are few good info-links to the priciples of ”Ether (aether) physics” and Tesla’s anti-gravity-technology
PowerPedia:Tesla's Flying Machine
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Tesla%27s_Flying_Machine

PowerPedia:Tesla's Dynamic Theory of Gravity
http://peswiki.com/index.php/PowerPedia:Tesla's_Dynamic_Theory_of_Gravity


Peace

Who flew them in the 1500's? I can go back a very long time. The secenario is the same, except the places they are from and the apperance of their "ships" have changed, besides that nothing has changed. Even abductions are exactly the same. So was it the FBI? CIA? come on the Nazis? in the 700's? 

[ches]

Who flew them in the 1500's? I can go back a very long time. The secenario is the same, except the places they are from and the apperance of their "ships" have changed, besides that nothing has changed. Even abductions are exactly the same. So was it the FBI? CIA? come on the Nazis? in the 700's? 

Hey



Actually older 'sightings' can be very different to the sightings of today ..so it really is not "the same scenario" all the time.

Then there are the cases of 'apparitions' and 'spiritual visions' also to be considered

..people have reported seeing ghosts and gods and angels in the sky for thousands of years ..this does not mean that “aliens and UFOs” have visited this planet.
..there are reports of armies of men marching in the sky and so on..

If you read spiritual scriptures from all around the world, these scriptures describe “spiritual visions” ..which is today known as “astral visions” ..something like "hallucinations" or ghost if you’re not that familiar with “visions”. (people experimenting with DMT or mushrooms etc. might know what i'm talking about here with 'halluciantions' and 'visions')


From the East, Tibet, India etc., there are many kinds of these “apparition” or “ghost-sightings” and there arereports of even ghost-buildings(houses) and 'flying monks' and so on..

Cylinders and swords seen in the sky in these medieval reports  can also be “visions” of religious symbols ..’divine authority (sword)’  and ‘divine order/law’(cylinder)…which many statues of ancient rulers have in their hand) ..so these could have been “hallucinations” or visions rather than “cigar-shaped ufos”.

So not every “sighting” is a UFO sighting, but it can also be a “hallucination”-vision.



If you read about reports from the past centuries about sighting-phenomenon ..in the 19th century they reported seeing flying-ships(navy vessels) with canvas on them ..so it’s quite clear that these are not “flying saucers” with anti-gravity abilities and which would arc electricity to the ground or create “glowing plasma”-phenomena.
Some sightings describe hooks with chains coming from these ships and grabbing things and pulling them up ..not that close to “tractor beam” we hear about these days ..lol

Here’s a site with many reported sighting about various phenomenon
Historical Sightings 1860 – 1881
http://www.bibleufo.com/ufos5.htm


To me, the proper alien-ufo phenomena started AFTER Tesla had invented his 'flying machine' ..during his time people only talked about Venusians and people for Mars ..but practically nothing about reptilian -aliens or about Greys ..these stories are relatively new, only few decades old

Peace.

[ches]

Hey, DokI noticed you have a William Cooper quote on your signature..
Did you know, even thou Cooper talked about aliens visiting Earth at first, later he stated that this was a mistake he made and also held the belief that UFOs are actually man made and based on Nikola Tesla’s invention?
..i’m not that familiar with Coopers books and material, but I happen to notice this fact by accident..


MAJESTYTWELVE by William Cooper
http://www.hourofthetime.com/majestyt.htm

Peace. ..enjoy your weekend
 

[Dok]

Hey



Actually older 'sightings' can be very different to the sightings of today ..so it really is not "the same scenario" all the time.

Then there are the cases of 'apparitions' and 'spiritual visions' also to be considered

..people have reported seeing ghosts and gods and angels in the sky for thousands of years ..this does not mean that “aliens and UFOs” have visited this planet.
..there are reports of armies of men marching in the sky and so on..

If you read spiritual scriptures from all around the world, these scriptures describe “spiritual visions” ..which is today known as “astral visions” ..something like "hallucinations" or ghost if you’re not that familiar with “visions”. (people experimenting with DMT or mushrooms etc. might know what i'm talking about here with 'halluciantions' and 'visions')


From the East, Tibet, India etc., there are many kinds of these “apparition” or “ghost-sightings” and there arereports of even ghost-buildings(houses) and 'flying monks' and so on..

Cylinders and swords seen in the sky in these medieval reports  can also be “visions” of religious symbols ..’divine authority (sword)’  and ‘divine order/law’(cylinder)…which many statues of ancient rulers have in their hand) ..so these could have been “hallucinations” or visions rather than “cigar-shaped ufos”.

So not every “sighting” is a UFO sighting, but it can also be a “hallucination”-vision.



If you read about reports from the past centuries about sighting-phenomenon ..in the 19th century they reported seeing flying-ships(navy vessels) with canvas on them ..so it’s quite clear that these are not “flying saucers” with anti-gravity abilities and which would arc electricity to the ground or create “glowing plasma”-phenomena.
Some sightings describe hooks with chains coming from these ships and grabbing things and pulling them up ..not that close to “tractor beam” we hear about these days ..lol

Here’s a site with many reported sighting about various phenomenon
Historical Sightings 1860 – 1881
http://www.bibleufo.com/ufos5.htm


To me, the proper alien-ufo phenomena started AFTER Tesla had invented his 'flying machine' ..during his time people only talked about Venusians and people for Mars ..but practically nothing about reptilian -aliens or about Greys ..these stories are relatively new, only few decades old

Peace.

Read and Learn

John Keel - Why Ufos:Operation Trojan Horse
http://www.scribd.com/doc/18987109/John-Keel-Why-UfosOperation-Trojan-Horse

John Keel - Our Haunted Planet
http://www.scribd.com/doc/19000055/Our-Haunted-Planet

John Keel - The MothMan Prophecies
http://www.scribd.com/doc/19002227/The-MothMan-Prophecies

Jacques Vallee - Passport to Magonia on UFOs Folklore and Parallel Worlds
http://www.scribd.com/doc/16741503/Passport-to-Magonia-on-UFOs-Folklore-and-Parallel-Worlds

Jacques Vallee - Dimensions: A Casebook of Alien Contact
http://www.scribd.com/doc/18997858/Dimensions-A-Casebook-of-Alien-Contact

Jacques Vallee - CONFRONTATIONS:A Scientist's Search for Alien Contact
http://www.scribd.com/doc/19011088/CONFRONTATIONSA-Scientists-Search-for-Alien-Contact

Jacques Vallee - Revelations
http://www.scribd.com/doc/19453939/Jacques-Vallee-Revelations

SECRET CIPHER OF THE UFOnauts
http://www.scribd.com/doc/14658217/SECRET-CIPHER-OF-THE-UFOnauts

The Secret Rituals of the Men in Black
http://www.scribd.com/doc/14658305/The-Secret-Rituals-of-the-Men-in-Black

WARNING
http://www.scribd.com/doc/19943417/Warning-

[Dok]

Hey, DokI noticed you have a William Cooper quote on your signature..
Did you know, even thou Cooper talked about aliens visiting Earth at first, later he stated that this was a mistake he made and also held the belief that UFOs are actually man made and based on Nikola Tesla’s invention?
..i’m not that familiar with Coopers books and material, but I happen to notice this fact by accident..


MAJESTYTWELVE by William Cooper
http://www.hourofthetime.com/majestyt.htm

Peace. ..enjoy your weekend
 

Im very familliar with Coopers view. After he found out he was deceived he pretty much gave up on the whole UFO from space idea. Your point? As i dont hold that view and neither does history.

[Michal Ptacnik]

Im very familliar with Coopers view. After he found out he was deceived he pretty much gave up on the whole UFO from space idea. Your point? As i dont hold that view and neither does history.

Scientifically speaking, we can say neither that aliens are from space, nor that they are from here or fallen angels. We have too little proof. Even if you take the Bible as a proof, which would somewhat give support to the fallen angel theory, there are no flying saucers mentioned in the text and also even if we were to accept that "fallen angels" are the aliens it would not mean that they are not actually beings from outer space AND fallen angels/Nephillim.

Furthermore, there is nothing in the Bible that would state that the Earth is the only inhabited planet in the Universe; that man's doctrines would point to it does not make those doctrines Christian or true for that matter; the two should be inseparable anyways.

[Dok]

Scientifically speaking, we can say neither that aliens are from space, nor that they are from here or fallen angels. We have too little proof. Even if you take the Bible as a proof, which would somewhat give support to the fallen angel theory, there are no flying saucers mentioned in the text and also even if we were to accept that "fallen angels" are the aliens it would not mean that they are not actually beings from outer space AND fallen angels/Nephillim.

Furthermore, there is nothing in the Bible that would state that the Earth is the only inhabited planet in the Universe; that man's doctrines would point to it does not make those doctrines Christian or true for that matter; the two should be inseparable anyways.

We have all kinds of proof from the actual abductees them selves and the messages given by the so called aliens.

[Michal Ptacnik]

We have all kinds of proof from the actual abductees them selves and the messages given by the so called aliens.

The E.T.s say we are destroying the planet and should change, yadde yadde. BIG deal, most everyone would see this, not the least of these the very Bible itself, sic. Creation actually cries for redemption, etc. The Earth IS hurt by our sin and it is a living being.

This says nothing about the identity of the aliens, just that they are quite the observers.

As for the abductions, well, nobody is perfect in this world. They might just as easily have more parties amongst themselves, their own criminals, or they might have a different, more utillitarian view on ethics, thinking that a few tens of thousands people are a small price to pay for their goals. Should we worsihip them for that or even like them? NO, certainly not, we should at least want to hear an explanation from the horse's mouth, but we should not paint them with literal pitchforks a priori, that is just plain emotionalism.

Now when they come and state that they are gods and all that antichrist triade, that would make a strong case for them being really Nephillim, but so far they usually don't want to be worshiped themselves in their messages, they just point that humanity has a greater potential (which it has - open your heart to Christ and you'll see it and even the occult paths, dangerous as they are, show results, unstable as they are -) and that the Earth is in peril (which it is). BIG deal. They seem human like; a bit more powerful, more knowledgeable and equally imperfect as we are; or they are a scam made to divert our attention. Could be that third possibility but I would not follow it dogmatically, and would not if possible do anything else dogmatically for that matter.

[Dok]

Than we have this incredible evidence.

http://www.alienresistance.org/ce4.htm

UNHOLY COMMUNION - the spiritual nature of abduction reports (HD)

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=521D27E14EC932F1

Watch to the very end.

[Nixxonsprodigy]

Maybe the nwo know that in the next coming years or 30-50 years humans cannot be sustained with the amount of resources we have and the population present. So they devised the plans they have to cut the population down to a manageable number. And maybe this plan includes merging into the world government so instead of scattered nations and countries they are whole.
          They then planed to alter the populations minds through the methods they use to turn us into calm, civil beings not only for a source of income for them, but also for the reason that we do no freak out. Now they have plans to militarize the world for more control, that way when do plan on populating a new planet humans will be easy to move. The UFOs is to get people ready for seeing their own space made ships that are more advanced then we can imagine, and the military/police forces are to keep us in line for when there is a mass migration to a different planet.
         Maybe they know this world will be ripped apart by the planets lining up on 2010, and they are trying to move their plans along. And then when we are on the other planet, and start to repopulate(most likely will be bigger then earth) our genes Will be so altered that we will either be permanent slaves for them, or we will adapt easier to the new planet. I don't know, I hate not knowing. If I new what was going on and what the plans where I think I would live a little easier with the nonsense they are doing. But one of these days someone who feels the public should know will find a way to blow the lid off the top of everything they are doing.

[Jackson Holly]

^ ^ ^

 .... or not.

[Dig]

Abductions are used for MK Ultra victims. Nowhere to run and nowhere to hide if you think ET is in control.

Classic Illuminati/NWO programming. The "abduction" fraud was used on the Ultimate Warrior.


Project Camelot interviews Duncan O'Finioan
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8892736673243372366
1:13:35  - 2 years ago

Ultimate Warrior: Robert Duncan O'Finioan A video interview with Duncan O'Finioan Kentucky, November 2006 Duncan O’Finioan was the Ultimate Warrior... brainwashed, conditioned and controlled as part of a highly classified MKULTRA program called PROJECT TALENT. From a thousand others trained as child warriors in 1966, he is now, he believes, only one of 20 left alive to tell the story. In his powerful and compelling testimony for the camera – one of the most extraordinary we have ever heard – Duncan describes: – His mission to “terminate” the very drunk, future President of the United States... George W Bush; – His dizzying enhanced physical and psychic abilities... including the abilities to hurl someone across the room with his mind, and walk through a solid wall; – How he and 11 other children were flown to Cambodia to deliver a targeted death blow to all the surrounding Khmer Rouge troops... using only the combined power of their minds; – How his right arm is “hardwired” and is capable of astonishing speed and strength; – His struggle to regain his memory, aided by a car accident which led to the discovery of a cranial implant uncovered by an MRI machine... deactivating the implant and causing the MRI machine to catch fire; – His role as a programmed assassin, targeting Americans under the command of an undisclosed agency; – The selection, torture, and brutal training process that he endured... and which children are undergoing to this day; – And more… Twenty years later, Duncan (who is of mixed Cherokee and Irish blood) comes forward to tell the truth about the Ultimate Warrior project: how he was chosen, groomed and tortured into becoming the perfect fighting machine, combining physical superiority with the extraordinary mental abilities of a psychic spy.Fearless, principled, and determined to regain control over his life, Duncan O’Finioan tells his story in detail. Do not miss this interview.


Project Camelot Conf.- Duncan OFinioan Project Talent The Ultimate Warrior
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6D3gKhS2hU

[Rebelitarian]

Tesla was from Venus, where do you think Simon & Schuster got the idea of a baby from another planet being raised by Earth parents.

[Protean]

Aliens?! Ha, I say, Ha!

There are no aliens! None, DO YOU HEAR ME?! NONE!

WE are all alone in this universe! We are the only race of people: the human race!
WE have the most advanced technology in the universe! All those planets out there are barren!
WE have the only inhabitable planet! WE! AND ONLY WE!

(hyperventilating)

WE are AlONE!!! No ALIENS--NONE! NA DA, ZERO!

(fists clenched, gnashing of teeth)

Any such sightings--abductions--UFO, UF-schmos- are pure BLUE BEAM--Government Black Op - Mind Control--PSY OP Boogida Boogida!

There! (breathing heavily)


(hey, Protean...we're convinced...how about you?...)

[Dig]

Tesla was from Venus, where do you think Simon & Schuster got the idea of a baby from another planet being raised by Earth parents.

Tesla was from Venus? How dare you deny evolution! bwaaahahaha

[Dig]

Aliens?! Ha, I say, Ha!

There are no aliens! None, DO YOU HEAR ME?! NONE!

WE are all alone in this universe! We are the only race of people: the human race!
WE have the most advanced technology in the universe! All those planets out there are barren!
WE have the only inhabitable planet! WE! AND ONLY WE!

(hyperventilating)

WE are AlONE!!! No ALIENS--NONE! NA DA, ZERO!

(fists clenched, gnashing of teeth)

Any such sighings--abductions--UFO, UF-schmos- are pure BLUE BEAM--Government Black Op - Mind Control--PSY OP Boogida Boogida!

There! (breathing heavily)


(hey, Protean...we're convinced...how about you?...)

"We got a turd in the punchbowl!"

[Protean]

"We got a turd in the punchbowl!"

Cheers!
 

[Nixxonsprodigy]

^ ^ ^

 .... or not.

Lol,  I'd say not.

[Michal Ptacnik]

Maybe the nwo know that in the next coming years or 30-50 years humans cannot be sustained with the amount of resources we have and the population present. So they devised the plans they have to cut the population down to a manageable number. And maybe this plan includes merging into the world government so instead of scattered nations and countries they are whole.
          They then planed to alter the populations minds through the methods they use to turn us into calm, civil beings not only for a source of income for them, but also for the reason that we do no freak out. Now they have plans to militarize the world for more control, that way when do plan on populating a new planet humans will be easy to move. The UFOs is to get people ready for seeing their own space made ships that are more advanced then we can imagine, and the military/police forces are to keep us in line for when there is a mass migration to a different planet.
         Maybe they know this world will be ripped apart by the planets lining up on 2010, and they are trying to move their plans along. And then when we are on the other planet, and start to repopulate(most likely will be bigger then earth) our genes Will be so altered that we will either be permanent slaves for them, or we will adapt easier to the new planet. I don't know, I hate not knowing. If I new what was going on and what the plans where I think I would live a little easier with the nonsense they are doing. But one of these days someone who feels the public should know will find a way to blow the lid off the top of everything they are doing.

I'd actually rather say yes for the first part. No one thinks of themselves as of evil and especially not the intellectuals that did create the proto-NWO concepts in the beginnings of the twentieth century.
If you take your atheism and materialism to the logical conclusion and add a little pride to the mix, eugenics, even depopulation are given the green light in your mind.

As for the catastrophism, I'll believe that when I see it.

[Scootle]

There are no aliens! None, DO YOU HEAR ME?! NONE!

WE are all alone in this universe! We are the only race of people: the human race!
WE have the most advanced technology in the universe! All those planets out there are barren!
WE have the only inhabitable planet! WE! AND ONLY WE!

Well I would disgree with that. I seem to hold this arrogant, delusional belief that the tens of sextillions of solar systems in the universe weren't created just for us.

[Dok]

Abductions are used for MK Ultra victims. Nowhere to run and nowhere to hide if you think ET is in control.

Classic Illuminati/NWO programming. The "abduction" fraud was used on the Ultimate Warrior.


Project Camelot interviews Duncan O'Finioan
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8892736673243372366
1:13:35  - 2 years ago

Ultimate Warrior: Robert Duncan O'Finioan A video interview with Duncan O'Finioan Kentucky, November 2006 Duncan O’Finioan was the Ultimate Warrior... brainwashed, conditioned and controlled as part of a highly classified MKULTRA program called PROJECT TALENT. From a thousand others trained as child warriors in 1966, he is now, he believes, only one of 20 left alive to tell the story. In his powerful and compelling testimony for the camera – one of the most extraordinary we have ever heard – Duncan describes: – His mission to “terminate” the very drunk, future President of the United States... George W Bush; – His dizzying enhanced physical and psychic abilities... including the abilities to hurl someone across the room with his mind, and walk through a solid wall; – How he and 11 other children were flown to Cambodia to deliver a targeted death blow to all the surrounding Khmer Rouge troops... using only the combined power of their minds; – How his right arm is “hardwired” and is capable of astonishing speed and strength; – His struggle to regain his memory, aided by a car accident which led to the discovery of a cranial implant uncovered by an MRI machine... deactivating the implant and causing the MRI machine to catch fire; – His role as a programmed assassin, targeting Americans under the command of an undisclosed agency; – The selection, torture, and brutal training process that he endured... and which children are undergoing to this day; – And more… Twenty years later, Duncan (who is of mixed Cherokee and Irish blood) comes forward to tell the truth about the Ultimate Warrior project: how he was chosen, groomed and tortured into becoming the perfect fighting machine, combining physical superiority with the extraordinary mental abilities of a psychic spy.Fearless, principled, and determined to regain control over his life, Duncan O’Finioan tells his story in detail. Do not miss this interview.


Project Camelot Conf.- Duncan OFinioan Project Talent The Ultimate Warrior
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6D3gKhS2hU

So ah, whop was doing the abductions in the 1500's? CIA?

[Dok]

Aliens?! Ha, I say, Ha!

There are no aliens! None, DO YOU HEAR ME?! NONE!

WE are all alone in this universe! We are the only race of people: the human race!
WE have the most advanced technology in the universe! All those planets out there are barren!
WE have the only inhabitable planet! WE! AND ONLY WE!

(hyperventilating)

WE are AlONE!!! No ALIENS--NONE! NA DA, ZERO!

(fists clenched, gnashing of teeth)

Any such sightings--abductions--UFO, UF-schmos- are pure BLUE BEAM--Government Black Op - Mind Control--PSY OP Boogida Boogida!

There! (breathing heavily)


(hey, Protean...we're convinced...how about you?...)

Heck, in order for that to be true, there must be more people involved in this one government agency, the office of fake abduction, in order to meet the abduction accounts, than there is in the US military.  Nice rant... 

[Michal Ptacnik]

With all the fairness, while it is quite probable that there are indeed other races in the Universe, since we know that there was at one time life on Mars (from a meteorite) so it should be assumed that life will happen where it can happen, however difficult the environment. And certainly there are many Earth like planets in the Universe; scientists found one not a long time ago close to a star that we would not expect such a planet to be so how many planets are there around the stars that are actually like the Sun remains to be seen.
It is also possible to travel, as soon as one cracks nuclear fusion, between starsystems that are nearby well within a lifetime (7-25 SUBJECTIVE years to get to stars that are up to 10 LY from us). The problem is of course whether or not that is happening now and admittably, since the name of Jesus seems to work in many cases, it is probable the true culprit is the collective unconscious in those cases rather than aliens.
BUT that does not explain the cases of BODILY abduction or the implants that were sometimes allegedly found, etc. etc. Also, it would be nice to know if there is such a case where the Name did NOT in fact work since the abducting beings were flesh and blood.

[Dok]

The MArs Metorite was disproven.

[Michal Ptacnik]

http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/snc/index.html

Of course I don't take those as the Gospel, these bacteria could have easily got there later. But it is nice indirect evidenc nontheless, until we get something better. Something better in this case being either life on Europa or Mars found in situ or, inversely, an Earth like planet old enough, yet completely barren without an apparent cause.

Btw. Dok, do you really believe that God did not create other life? I always wondered why would Christians be somehow "lead from the faith" if E.T.s as in E.T.s (not Nephillim/FA) showed up? The Bible did not write about them? BIG deal, it did not write about authomobiles either, nor about indians and both exist. That they would have their own religion which they would seek to bring here? BIG deal, so have the Indians and the Chinese their own religions and their very existence does little to your faith's integrity; even though those religions are very complex and sometimes fit the scientific paradigm better than literalist Christianity.

[Dig]

So ah, whop was doing the abductions in the 1500's? CIA?

The first assassins (well before the 1500s) were "abducted" by elites in mass deceptions to create a mindset in the victims to think another world was available to them if they did as they were told.

[Dok]

The first assassins (well before the 1500s) were "abducted" by elites in mass deceptions to create a mindset in the victims to think another world was available to them if they did as they were told.

In Ireland? ya right. 

[EvadingGrid]

Actually these elite's have been secretly kiddnapping people for use as sacrifices in there black magic mumbo jumbo rituals since the beginning of recorded history...

See disappearing your enemies, and using some bogus fairy tale as a psy-op cover story is as old as history itself. Its not restricted to anyone country, or one cover story.

The Thule Society did it, as did the Assassins, as did etc . . . . shit its even happening in Mexico today - except they don't really bother with the fairy tale cover story.

[Dok]

Actually these elite's have been secretly kiddnapping people for use as sacrifices in there black magic mumbo jumbo rituals since the beginning of recorded history...

See disappearing your enemies, and using some bogus fairy tale as a psy-op cover story is as old as history itself. Its not restricted to anyone country, or one cover story.

The Thule Society did it, as did the Assassins, as did etc . . . . shit its even happening in Mexico today - except they don't really bother with the fairy tale cover story.

These people were returned. next?

[Dig]

Well I would disgree with that. I seem to hold this arrogant, delusional belief that the tens of sextillions of solar systems in the universe weren't created just for us.

the idea that there is absolutely no life out there IMO is far fetched. the idea that it has 2 arms, legs, eyes, ears, is carbon based, operates in our dimensional realm, and wants us all to form a one world government seems 1,000x more far fetched.

[Dig]

In Ireland? ya right.  

Ireland is the "first contact"?

The abduction bullshit has been a snake god operation for over 10,000 years in every part of the world (Ireland included). If you have evidence of pre-10,000 year old "abductions", please post it.

[Dok]

Ireland is the "first contact"?

The abduction bullshit has been a snake god operation for over 10,000 years in every part of the world (Ireland included). If you have evidence of pre-10,000 year old "abductions", please post it.

Do you have evidence of anything being 10000 years old?

[Jackson Holly]

EvadingGrid:

Actually these elite's have been secretly kiddnapping people for use as sacrifices in there black magic mumbo jumbo rituals since the beginning of recorded history...

True dat. Ever wondered why we have come to call it KIDnapping?

Kid = young goat (or sheep) = young human

Children as 'sacrificial lambs'. I believe the two ideas/terms (child/lamb) were used interchangeably in religious scripts.

It has always been a part of the twisted human psyche ... to sacrifice the innocent to the dark PTB, or Satan.

"Better be good or the boogie man will get you!"

No doubt that mythologically speaking, this is one of the roots of the 'abduction syndrome' ... but not to discount later abductions from our loving governments for their diabolical 'medical' and other 'experiments'. And this from someone who has religiously read most of the abduction literature and at one time was a diehard ET believer.

[ches]

Read and Learn

John Keel - Why Ufos:Operation Trojan Horse
http://www.scribd.com/doc/18987109/John-Keel-Why-UfosOperation-Trojan-Horse

John Keel - Our Haunted Planet
http://www.scribd.com/doc/19000055/Our-Haunted-Planet

John Keel - The MothMan Prophecies
http://www.scribd.com/doc/19002227/The-MothMan-Prophecies

Jacques Vallee - Passport to Magonia on UFOs Folklore and Parallel Worlds
http://www.scribd.com/doc/16741503/Passport-to-Magonia-on-UFOs-Folklore-and-Parallel-Worlds

Jacques Vallee - Dimensions: A Casebook of Alien Contact
http://www.scribd.com/doc/18997858/Dimensions-A-Casebook-of-Alien-Contact

Jacques Vallee - CONFRONTATIONS:A Scientist's Search for Alien Contact
http://www.scribd.com/doc/19011088/CONFRONTATIONSA-Scientists-Search-for-Alien-Contact

Jacques Vallee - Revelations
http://www.scribd.com/doc/19453939/Jacques-Vallee-Revelations

SECRET CIPHER OF THE UFOnauts
http://www.scribd.com/doc/14658217/SECRET-CIPHER-OF-THE-UFOnauts

The Secret Rituals of the Men in Black
http://www.scribd.com/doc/14658305/The-Secret-Rituals-of-the-Men-in-Black

WARNING
http://www.scribd.com/doc/19943417/Warning-

You tell me to ”read and learn” about esoteric(occult) spiritual phenomena and ufo-abductions
..and then you link me with bunch of pseudo-scientific ufologist and a myth-writer John Keel?! ..who, do write about this stuff yes, but have no first hand knowledge and seem to lump it in with every other myth like Atlantis-myth and so on..
But I have to admit, I haven’t read their stuff that much ..checked Keel’s material out now that you linked it, and I have watched some of Vallee’s stuff on youtube..

But this is not that “scholarly” stuff, is it..
and I think it’s better to go look at the genuine information; ancient cultures, -religions, -cosmological believes, and ancient believes on how cosmos and our solar system is shaped, believes on cosmography that is..

How about reading about esoteric/occult practices and –phenomena from the esoteric and magickians themselves ..why read a watered  down version from a pseudo-science writer from 1980's?


How about studying ancient spiritual traditions and shamanism ..and see how much they talked about UFOs.
…Anthropomorphic figures, human-animal hybrids, most likely come from ancient shamanic traditions, when shamans were thought to be able to shape shift to animals.
Shamans still today might wear a costume, that might look like a visiting-alien when painted on a cave wall.


How about reading abduction reports from real abductees and not a book by Vallee or Keel?
We have all kinds of proof from the actual abductees them selves and the messages given by the so called aliens.
Alien abductions are very similar to spirit-possession phenomenon which has existed and been reported for thousands of years ..ufo-alien abductions are around 50 years old.

So modern abduction-events proof that such events do happen, but they do not proof that aliens visit our planet ..cause these could be the same events as spirit-possession and poltergeist-phenomenon was 100-years ago, when no ufo-aliens weren’t around.
Some abduction researchers themselves, suspect that aliens might in reality be ‘spirits’ posing as abducting-aliens like Dr Karla Turner (google and you will find)..and that your link talk about this position also this one.. http://www.alienresistance.org/ce4articles.htm
No I didn’t read all these, but I have looked into abductions and MILABS-events before ..and they are quite alike usually, meaning follow similar patterns and things experienced are similar.

 But I have researched occultism and esoteric-spirituality(Tibetan lama-traditions, yogic-stuff, shamanism etc.) better than most ufologists, so I kinda know the similarities between ET-contacts and spirit-phenomenon (astral-communication, ESP etc.).



Where are the ufo-aliens from the “spiritist messages” of the 19th century? ..there are non. ..no Grey-aliens ..no Reptilians.
The most famous spiritists and occultists of 19th and early 20th centuries practically speak nothing about ufo-aliens ..Helena P Blavatsky, Aleister Crowley talk nothing about UFOs
Bu they do talk about human “Secret Chiefs” and “ascended masters”, about spirits ancient lama-monks and high-priests ..but far as I know they do not mention UFO-star fleets and Galactic Federations at all.
These modern New Age-ufo stories talk about these Galactic ufo-collective as millions of years old ..but why no-one even mention these groups till few decades ago?


In the 19th century they still pondered if the other planets of our solar system have life, and talked about people from Mars and Venus ..but it was nothing about this modern ufo-stuff ..and like I already mentioned ..the spiritualist at the time, who “channeled” spirits mention nothing about ufo-aliens ..their spirit-beings might have had powers to use their “consciousness” to travel to other worlds, but they mention nothing about “flying saucers”.

Im very familliar with Coopers view. After he found out he was deceived he pretty much gave up on the whole UFO from space idea. Your point? As i dont hold that view and neither does history.

Well you kinda stated my point ..he started believing UFOs are man-made based on Tesla’s invention anfter he realized the documents he saw were fake.

History does not hold that view? ..what history might this be? ..by who?
The TRUE history, which is based on FACTS, might actually hold that view(tha ufos are man-made), even thou written-history by human’s would not…isn’t that right?


..but as you say yourself; people should ‘read and learn’ ..then you must agree that you, we should also study the possibility that UFOs might be a man-made invention, by Nikola Tesla

So I suggest you really look into the links I’ve posted ..start with the studio interview-videos with William Lyne ..that should be easy way to get to know what he’s talking about.

Peace.

[Dig]

Do you have evidence of anything being 10000 years old?

Likely I have the same evidence as you do. This evidence combined with the absolute fact that the past 80 years of alien abductions have been staged is compelling.

Furthermore, the centuries old evidence that this technique has been used by elites to control their people adds to the great awakening to the alien abduction hoax.

But, your theories about them being real in 1500 even though they have been proven faked for the past 80 years is not invalid. I just think it lacks a degree of logical reasoning in pushing your theory as fact when it is little more than a baseless theory which is mostly ueled by black propaganda techniques used by the global elite.

The fact remains that, for the purposes of this thread, the globalists are faking all of the bullshit happening now to try and scare us into chaos (as documented by their own fricking publications).