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Re: Mall Shooting 9 dead/5 injured/Gunman committed "suicide"/Message to GWB?
« Reply #80 on: December 05, 2007, 08:43:14 PM »
Here is the story they are going with.

He was homeless and was staying with someone who took him in.  She got a call from him at 1pm.  He said he was fired from McDonald's (there is a conspiracy right there) and said he would be going out with style.

They also detonated an explosive that was in his car 30 minutes ago.

Here are some questions...

Has he ever shot a gun before?

Was he ever in a mental hospital?

Is anyone testing ballistics?

How can we ever believe them after VT?
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Re: Mall Shooting 9 dead/5 injured/Gunman committed "suicide"/Message to GWB?
« Reply #81 on: December 05, 2007, 08:46:21 PM »
Yes yes i know you have your second amendment in the states, and i agree with it, as a part of keeping the militia armed. On teh other hand i dont know about EVERYBODY walking around with guns. Its off topic, kinda, but i dont think of everybody had guns, they wouldnt even know who the bad guy was and start shooting at eachother or something. And some might fire their weapns in a situtation where they "feel" insecure, but really arent. I will probably get meself a gun once i have the hunting certificat and keep one in my home incase of something fishy goes on, but i would want to go in a mall where i knew everybody had a gun. And i am pointing to statistics where USA is one of the most "dangerous" countries in terms of death at the barrel of a gun. I dont know if its to be blamed on whatever, but it would concern me anyway. And i get the whole point of carrying a gun, dont get me wrong, i just havent made up my mind on it yet.

check with Switzerland, everone is required to have a rifle and a tin of bullets.

check with cities that have this law, crime is ZERO.

having a gun is a responsibility, you have to learn how to use it.  it is not a piece of jewelry and towns that have enacted this law are very instrumental in teaching gun safety.  believe me, people know who they are shooting, the scenes in the movies of people spazzed out shooting randomly are bullshit.
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« Reply #82 on: December 05, 2007, 08:48:33 PM »
Bush poses as the comforter;

http://action3news.com/Global/story.asp?s=7456936

White House & Local Leaders Offer Sympathy After Westroads Mall Shooting

Posted: Dec 5, 2007 07:05 PM

Washington, D.C.  -  The White House, Senator Chuck Hagel and Nebraska Governor Dave Heineman released statements late Wednesday concerning the shootings at Westroads Mall.

The White House statement says "The President is deeply saddened by the shootings in Omaha, Nebraska earlier today.  His thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families this evening.  Having just visited with so many members of the community in Omaha today, the President is confident that they will pull together to comfort one another as they deal with this terrible tragedy. 

Senator Chuck Hagel says, "Today the city of Omaha bore witness to an uncharacteristically heartless event. What transpired at Westroads Mall has touched the lives of many throughout the state of Nebraska. My wife, Lilibet, and I ask all Nebraskans to join us in extending our deepest sympathies and prayers to the families and friends of the victims of today's horrific tragedy."

Governor Heineman says, "This is a difficult night for the Omaha area and our entire state. Sally and I offer our condolences to the victims and their families. The thoughts and prayers of all Nebraskans are with the victims, their families and the entire Omaha community."  Heineman says he has been in contact with the Mayor's office.

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Re: Mall Shooting 9 dead/5 injured/Gunman committed "suicide"/Message to GWB?
« Reply #83 on: December 05, 2007, 08:49:00 PM »
On the tv news, "CNN talking about not enough security in our public places... mall security unable to respond to such an event...How do we protect ourselves from disturbed people like this in public places?"




THIS IS THE WALMART GREETER OF THE NEAR FUTURE!?
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Re: Mall Shooting 9 dead/5 injured/Gunman committed "suicide"/Message to GWB?
« Reply #84 on: December 05, 2007, 08:53:06 PM »
http://tailrank.com/4124079/Police-Remove-Grenade-from-Westroads-Parking-Lot

19 Year old ROBERT A. HAWKINS "Wanted to Go Out in Style"
mypetjawa.mu.nu Found 4 hours ago
Local media report Suspect ID'd as Robert A. Hawkins of Bellevue, Nebraska . 19 years old. KETV : Mother found suicidal note, brought it to police station. Shooter was on antidepressants. Shooter had made violent threats to friends over past week. Suicide note found on car. " Wanted to go out in style " Shooter sent text message to ex-girlfriend 20 minutes before shooting saying he was going to, " go out in a blaze of glory ." So, terror theory out . Narcissistic sociopath piece of filth theory in .

I wouldn't rule out the terror theory all together. However, this does make it look more like an indictment of anti-depressants than anything else.

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Re: Mall Shooting 9 dead/5 injured/Gunman committed "suicide"/Message to GWB?
« Reply #85 on: December 05, 2007, 08:54:07 PM »
Why randomly shoot people at a mall?  Wouldn't he have "made a name for himself" if he went back to the fast food joint he was fired from?  Why hasn't there been any interviews or reports from his fast food employees?


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« Reply #86 on: December 05, 2007, 08:55:31 PM »
From a month ago;

FBI Warns Of Possible Shopping Mall Attacks
November 8th, 2007
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN0823631220071108

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - An FBI report warned al Qaeda may be planning to strike shopping malls in Chicago and Los Angeles during the Christmas season, but a bureau official said on Thursday there was no information it was a credible threat.

ABC News first disclosed portions of the report that was based on intelligence received by the FBI in late September. The report said al Qaeda hoped to disrupt the U.S. economy and had been planning the attack for the past two years.

The document, called an intelligence information report, was intended for law enforcement and the intelligence community, FBI spokesman Richard Kolko said.

"In the post-9/11 era, sharing information is our top priority," Kolko said. "Al Qaeda messaging has clearly stated they intend to attack the U.S. or it interests; however, there is no information to state this is a credible threat."

The FBI said in the report that the veracity of the information was uncertain and had been obtained through "a lengthy chain" of sources.

Another FBI official said similar alerts have been issued in the past warning of threats around the holidays.

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Re: Mall Shooting 9 dead/5 injured/Gunman committed "suicide"/Message to GWB?
« Reply #87 on: December 05, 2007, 08:56:20 PM »
On the tv news, "CNN talking about not enough security in our public places... mall security unable to respond to such an event...How do we protect ourselves from disturbed people like this in public places?"




THIS IS THE WALMART GREETER OF THE NEAR FUTURE!?

Looks a little like a blackwater reject.

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Re: Mall Shooting 9 dead/5 injured/Gunman committed "suicide"/Message to GWB?
« Reply #88 on: December 05, 2007, 09:01:30 PM »
From a month ago;

FBI Warns Of Possible Shopping Mall Attacks
November 8th, 2007
http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN0823631220071108

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - An FBI report warned al Qaeda may be planning to strike shopping malls in Chicago and Los Angeles during the Christmas season, but a bureau official said on Thursday there was no information it was a credible threat.

ABC News first disclosed portions of the report that was based on intelligence received by the FBI in late September. The report said al Qaeda hoped to disrupt the U.S. economy and had been planning the attack for the past two years.

The document, called an intelligence information report, was intended for law enforcement and the intelligence community, FBI spokesman Richard Kolko said.

"In the post-9/11 era, sharing information is our top priority," Kolko said. "Al Qaeda messaging has clearly stated they intend to attack the U.S. or it interests; however, there is no information to state this is a credible threat."

The FBI said in the report that the veracity of the information was uncertain and had been obtained through "a lengthy chain" of sources.

Another FBI official said similar alerts have been issued in the past warning of threats around the holidays.

looks like they might have multiple MK Ultra projects ready to roll.  Then it becomes Fascists v. Fabians to bid on the news spin...terrorism v. global warming or other domestic socialism needs.

I wonder if the auctions are on line
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Re: Mall Shooting 9 dead/5 injured/Gunman committed "suicide"/Message to GWB?
« Reply #89 on: December 05, 2007, 09:07:47 PM »
Why randomly shoot people at a mall?  Wouldn't he have "made a name for himself" if he went back to the fast food joint he was fired from?  Why hasn't there been any interviews or reports from his fast food employees?



I remember Arlington Road...

"You needed to see a picture of someone to take out all your anger on and once you saw that picture everything became ok for some reason."

Man that movie got so f**ked up by making it into some horror flick with crazy sounds and eerie settings.  I wish the movie was revamped with the essential information and none of the BS distractions.

Anyway you are correct, it makes no sense and we need to understand more about the victims and others.  Remember we are talking about people that kill 3,000 and blow up building as they use the deaths to promote killing over 1,000,000 more.
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« Reply #90 on: December 05, 2007, 09:11:53 PM »
The Omaha shooter was dressed similar to the Virginia Tech shooter;

Omaha Shooter

http://www.koin.com/Global/story.asp?S=7457308

"Eight people were killed and five wounded at the mall. The official identifies the gunman as 20-year-old Robert Hawkins. He says Hawkins was involved in a criminal incident last year, although he didn't have details. The official also says the shooter left a suicide note that was found by his mother.

The Omaha World-Herald reports the gunman had a military-style haircut, a black backpack, and wore a camouflage vest. Authorities gave no motive for the attack and said they did not know whether he said anything during the rampage. Witnesses say he fired down at shoppers from a third-floor balcony."


Virginia Tech Shooter

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/04/18/virginiatechshooting/main2697827.shtml

""Your Mercedes wasn't enough, you brats," says Cho, a South Korean immigrant whose parents work at a dry cleaners in surburban Washington. "Your golden necklaces weren't enough, you snobs. Your trust funds wasn't enough. Your vodka and cognac wasn't enough. All your debaucheries weren't enough. Those weren't enough to fulfill your hedonistic needs. You had everything."

Some of the pictures show him smiling; others show him frowning and snarling. Some depict him brandishing two weapons at a time, one in each hand. He wears a khaki-colored military-style vest, fingerless gloves, a black T-shirt, a backpack and a backwards, black baseball cap. Another photo shows him swinging a hammer two-fisted. Another shows an angry-looking Cho holding a gun to his temple."

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Re: Mall Shooting 9 dead/5 injured/Gunman committed "suicide"/Message to GWB?
« Reply #91 on: December 05, 2007, 09:14:20 PM »
The Omaha shooter was dressed similar to the Virginia Tech shooter;

Omaha Shooter

http://www.koin.com/Global/story.asp?S=7457308

"Eight people were killed and five wounded at the mall. The official identifies the gunman as 20-year-old Robert Hawkins. He says Hawkins was involved in a criminal incident last year, although he didn't have details. The official also says the shooter left a suicide note that was found by his mother.

he was homeless and was not with his mother.

this is bullshit

someone TIVO olbermann it comes on again at 12AM EST

UPDATE: Mother is different than landlord.  Mother has a suicide note, but when was he home?  He wrote the note before he got fired then why are some saying the firing prompted the shooting?
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« Reply #92 on: December 05, 2007, 09:23:41 PM »
Just saw two "experts" on CNN prattling on about the psychological profile of these types of killers. One was the CEO of some security company, and the other was an analyst for the Center for the Prevention of Violence, or some such thing. Of course they know all about who this guy was and all the reasons why he did it. I suppose that he could just be what they say he is, a Travis Bickle (Taxi Driver) psycho with serious mental and emotional problems, but my gut feeling is that there is more to the story than this. The fact that Bush left Omaha an hour earlier is, how shall I put it....odd. This should be an interesting story to follow, as details about the incident begin to trickle out. My intuition is that it was another in a long string of black op shootings, and that the guy was some type of patsy/mind controlled stooge. Can't prove it, but I'd bet my bottom dollar on it.


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« Reply #93 on: December 05, 2007, 09:25:16 PM »
Sacking sparked mall gunman
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22879168-661,00.html?from=mostpop
December 06, 2007 09:35am


A TEEN gunman who shot at least eight people dead in a US shopping mall massacre had reportedly just been fired from his job. Shooter Robert A. Hawkins, 19,  callously gunned down victims at random from a third-floor balcony of the shopping mall in Omaha, Nebraska, before turning his rifle on himself, KETV reported. At least five more people were injured, with two in critical condition, authorities said.  Shoppers and employees in the the Von Maur department store, inside the Westroads Mall, barricaded themselves in stores and cowered under clothes racks and in dressing rooms after hearing as many as 60 shots in several bursts.  Some of those killed were waiting in line to get Christmas presents wrapped. Hawkins, of Bellevue,  reportedly left a suicide note at a relative's home indicating he wanted to "go out in style" and that he was going to be famous. His mother handed the note to the Sarpy County Sheriff's Office shortly after the rampage, local reports said. The disturbed teen's landlord said he was upset about being fired from his job at McDonald's and when she saw him with a gun last night thought he was going hunting with her sons. The shopping mall is the largest in the US state.

Terrified witnesses told a local television station the gunman shot one man in the head from a balcony and others at point-blank range as he moved through the mall. ``My knees rocked. I didn't know what to do, so I just ran with everybody else,'' said shopper Kevin Kleine, 29. "It was horrible, just horrible,'' another woman said. Another said she heard someone shout: ``It's a gunman, run!''  Jennifer Kramer and her mother hid in the men's department of Von Maur, praying that "God would spare us". "People were freaking,'' an employee at Whitehall jewellers, who refused to give her name, said. Other shoppers and workers described a terrifying scene. "We heard about 35, 40 shots, and on our way we did see someone down by the escalator, bleeding,'' witness Jennifer Cramer told local television station KETV. "I was standing around getting ready to go back to work and all of a sudden I heard this bang, bang, bang -it sounded like someone shooting fireworks,'' another witness told KETV. "I ran to get away from whatever was happening.''

The shooter's shocked landlord, who gave her name only as Debra, said he was emotionally disturbed. "He said he'd gotten fired and was pretty upset and said, 'This is the only way,' and we tried to talk to him," Debra said on local TV.  "He was just a very troubled -- I had no idea that he was this troubled. I don't know if it was because he got fired from McDonald's."  A friend of Hawkins said the troubled teen had been on anti-depressants and bouncing from job to job.  The 19-year-old was reportedly due in court later this month on minor misdemeanors. Andrew Bigler, another Hawkins friend, said he heard about the shooting during school.He called Hawkins a great guy. "He was like a brother to me," Bigler said.  Bigler said Hawkins wasn't so much angry, but wanted to go out like a star. Bigler said people probably think his friend is a "little terrorist," but Bigler said that isn't the "Robbie" he knew. "I loved him," Bigler told KETV NewsWatch 7.  

One woman told how she saw the gunman firing into the air inside the department store. "I saw the guy in the children's department. He was tall, real tall,'' she said. "He had his hand straight up in the air, just shooting, not saying anything.'' Police received an emergency call from someone inside the mall, and shots could be heard in the background. By the time officers arrived six minutes later, the shooting was over, she said.  Mickey Vickory, who worked at Von Maur's third-floor service department, said she heard shots at about 1:50pm. She and her co-workers and customers went into a back closet behind the wrapping room to hide, then emerged about a half-hour later when police shouted to come out with their hands up. As police took them to another part of the mall for safety, they saw the victims.  ``We saw the bodies and we saw the blood,'' she said.  Shawn Vidlak, said the shots sounded like a nail gun. At first he thought it was noise from construction work at the mall. ``People started screaming about gunshots,'' Vidlak said. ``I grabbed my wife and kids we got out of there as fast as we could.''

Earlier reports from the US said another man was arrested after he was found dressed in camouflage, hiding under a bus stop bench outside the mall and standing out "like a sore thumb". President George W. Bush was in town Wednesday for a fundraiser in Omaha, but left about an hour before the shooting. Television images showed paramedics taking a people on a stretchers into ambulances outside the mall. Rescue workers took more stretchers inside the building. A store employee said he heard five to six shots followed by 15 to 20 more shots. He later saw a body next to an elevator as he was leaving the store. Police were allowing some people to leave the mall, but no one was permitted to enter. A woman who answered the phone at an Old Navy store said 20 to 30 customers were huddled with employees in a back storeroom. "All we know was people were running and screaming down the hallway by Von Maur saying there was a shooting and then they locked us down," said the woman in Associated Press reports..

A local TV station aired a photograph of a man wearing camouflage in police custody while other reports said a man, presumably the gunman, had a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

Dozens of shoppers and store workers were seen leaving the mall with their hands up. Others were told by security staff to take cover, with some retreating behind locked doors in storerooms. Last week authorities removed a live grenade from the parking lot of the same mall.
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Re: Mall Shooting 9 dead/5 injured/Gunman committed "suicide"/Message to GWB?
« Reply #94 on: December 05, 2007, 09:26:25 PM »
Hal, this was just another attempt to misdirect the public, like the VT shootings on the day of the Cheney impeachement info.
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« Reply #95 on: December 05, 2007, 09:42:06 PM »
I want to be cautious and not jump to conclusions, but I agree that it was probably a black op. There are just too many of these kinds of mass shootings going on. The same pattern: odd misfit; shoots up the whole place killing number of people; reports of other participants, later revised to one (or in the case of Columbine, two shooters)  shooter; kills himself after massacre is over, etc. I also find it interesting that the NIE information about Iran discontinuing it's nuclear weapons project in 2003 just broke the other day. Could this shooting be a distraction from that story, and the Bush treason that it entails, or possibly a warning to Bush to stay on track with the war hawk agenda? The whole lone misfit who gets fired from his McDonalds job and goes on a killing rampage just sounds phony to me. Like I said, I can't prove it;s wrong, but I just don't buy it. It stinks.

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« Reply #96 on: December 05, 2007, 09:52:06 PM »
I feel the same way. While this may have just been some crazy kid who took too many pills, the circumstances, the timing, the difference between all the information coming in, etc just don't sit well with me. I'm not sure about the whole "warning to Bush" thing, seems more like they'd just give him a phone call. It seems to me like this is another misdirection, leading the public away from the real issues. In two months, everone will have forgotten about the NIE report and it'll be back to the "bomb Iran" rhetoric.
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« Reply #97 on: December 05, 2007, 09:53:14 PM »
Young man with rifle opens fire in Omaha mall, killing 9, including himself
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OMAHA, Neb. (AP) -- A man opened fire with a rifle at a busy department store Wednesday, killing eight people before taking his own life in an attack that made holiday shoppers run screaming through a mall and barricade themselves in dressing rooms. Five more people were wounded, two critically. The gunman left a suicide note that was found at his home by his mother, said a law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak. TV station KETV reported that the note said he wanted to "go out in style." The official identified the gunman as Robert A. Hawkins, age 20. Witnesses said the gunman fired down on shoppers from a third-floor balcony of the Von Maur store. One witness told a TV station that he shot up a teddy bear as he sprayed fire on shoppers.

He was found dead on the third floor with a self-inflicted gunshot wound, and his victims were discovered on the second and third floors, police said. "My knees rocked. I didn't know what to do, so I just ran with everybody else," said Kevin Kleine, 29, who was shopping with her 4-year-old daughter at the Westroads Mall, in a prosperous neighborhood on the city's west side. She said she hid in a dressing room with four other shoppers and an employee. Sgt. Teresa Negron said the gunman killed eight people, then apparently killed himself. Authorities gave no motive for the attack and said they did not know whether he said anything during the rampage. Hawkins lived for a little more than a year with a friend's family in a house in a middle-class Bellevue neighborhood. "When he first came in the house, he was introverted, a troubled young man who was like lost pound puppy that nobody wanted," said Debora Maruca, who owns the home. Maruca said Hawkins was fired from his job at a nearby McDonald's this week and had recently broken up with a girlfriend. Police received a 911 call from someone inside the mall, and shots could be heard in the background, Negron said. By the time officers arrived six minutes later, the shooting was over, she said.

The Omaha World-Herald reported that the gunman had a military-style haircut and a black backpack, and wore a camouflage vest. "Everybody was scared, and we didn't know what was going on," said Belene Esaw-Kagbara, 31, a Von Maur employee. "We didn't know what to do. I was praying that God protect us." Mickey Vickory, who worked at Von Maur's third-floor service department, said she heard shots at about 1:50 p.m. She and her co-workers and customers went into a back closet behind the wrapping room to hide, then emerged about a half-hour later when police shouted to come out with their hands up. As police took them to another part of the mall for safety, they saw the victims. "We saw the bodies and we saw the blood," she said. Keith Fidler, another Von Maur employee, said he heard a burst of five to six shots followed by 15 to 20 more rounds. Fidler said he huddled in the corner of the men's clothing department with about a dozen other employees until police yelled to get out of the store.

Witness Shawn Vidlak said the shots sounded like a nail gun. At first he thought it was noise from construction work at the mall. "People started screaming about gunshots," Vidlak said. "I grabbed my wife and kids we got out of there as fast as we could." Shortly after the shooting, which came three weeks before Christmas, a group of shoppers came out of the building with their hands raised. Some were still holding shopping bags. Police told people to park their cars at businesses across from the mall and to wait for their loved ones, then directed them to an Omaha hotel to await information. President Bush was in Omaha on Wednesday for a fundraiser, but left about an hour before the shooting. "Having just visited with so many members of the community in Omaha today, the president is confident that they will pull together to comfort one another," White House press secretary Dana Perino said. The Von Maur store is part of a 22-store Midwestern chain. The sprawling, three-level mall has more than 135 stores and restaurants. It gets 14.5 million visitors every year, according to its Web site. It was the second mass shooting at a mall this year. In February, nine people were shot, five of them fatally, at Trolley Square mall in Salt Lake City. The gunman, 18-year-old Sulejman Talovic, was shot and killed by police.
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Is there ever an investigation into self inflicted gunshot wounds?
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« Reply #98 on: December 05, 2007, 09:55:47 PM »
I feel the same way. While this may have just been some crazy kid who took too many pills, the circumstances, the timing, the difference between all the information coming in, etc just don't sit well with me. I'm not sure about the whole "warning to Bush" thing, seems more like they'd just give him a phone call. It seems to me like this is another misdirection, leading the public away from the real issues. In two months, everone will have forgotten about the NIE report and it'll be back to the "bomb Iran" rhetoric.

Well skimming through the channels, they are still talking NIE, but the Climate Change milestone representing an entirely new form of slavery on the American People (THE CARBON TAX AND TRACK) has gotten zero press.  Go here for all of the information: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=17490.0
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Re: Mall Shooting 9 dead/5 injured/Gunman committed "suicide"/Message to GWB?
« Reply #99 on: December 05, 2007, 09:56:41 PM »
Yes, this is an indictment of anti- depressant drugs.  SSRI drugs were responsible for Columbine and Virginia Tech and a bunch of other shootings.  I have posted a link to a video that mentions other shootings and a safer substance to use.  The video is entitled "Why is DMT illegal in the United States?"  I'll tell you why now.  It's because there is no money to be made in finding cures for the mental problems of people!!!

P.S.  When are they going to start suing the hospitals and doctors for their malpractice for not treating the mental patients right?


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Re: Mall Shooting 9 dead/5 injured/Gunman committed "suicide"/Message to GWB?
« Reply #100 on: December 05, 2007, 09:59:10 PM »
Well skimming through the channels, they are still talking NIE, but the Climate Change milestone representing an entirely new form of slavery on the American People (THE CARBON TAX AND TRACK) has gotten zero press.  Go here for all of the information: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=17490.0

Yeah I'd agree with you there, I'm just saying the NIE report is definately going to take a back seat to this and it probably won't get near as much attention as it otherwise would have. You're right about the Climate Change bill though. I haven't seen one bit about that either.
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Re: Mall Shooting 9 dead/5 injured/Gunman committed "suicide"/Message to GWB?
« Reply #101 on: December 05, 2007, 10:09:56 PM »
i find it weird how hes driving around in a 2007 model jeep yet he flipped after being fired from a low paid job at mcdonalds?

anyone else notice how the media dont interview eye witnesses? im watching live coverage and out of about ten witnesses none of them were eye witnesses just people who were in the immediate area when they heard the shots ..why are they avoiding these people?

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Re: Mall Shooting 9 dead/5 injured/Gunman committed "suicide"/Message to GWB?
« Reply #102 on: December 05, 2007, 10:11:32 PM »
i find it weird how hes driving around in a 2007 model jeep yet he flipped after being fired from a low paid job at mcdonalds?

what?  he had a $30,000 car?

Also what an odd name he had: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hawkins_(Jericho_character)

Here is a place that has some people dumping info:

http://www.zimbio.com/Robert+Hawkins/articles/1/Welcome+wikizine+Robert+Hawkins

Any other blogs looking into this?
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Re: Mall Shooting 9 dead/5 injured/Gunman committed "suicide"/Message to GWB?
« Reply #103 on: December 05, 2007, 10:14:51 PM »
what?  he had a $30,000 car?

on the live coverage just then they just showed police confiscating his car ...it was a new model jeep dont know if it was 07 model but looked about that year ...the police said they saw "wires sticking out of a bag" in the back of the jeep so they placed a charge on the back window and blew it out for the bomb robot to investigate ...then they towed the vehicle away.

http://www.ketv.com/video/14779144/index.html <---live coverage

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Re: Mall Shooting 9 dead/5 injured/Gunman committed "suicide"/Message to GWB?
« Reply #104 on: December 05, 2007, 10:17:54 PM »
on the live coverage just then they just showed police confiscating his car ...it was a new model jeep dont know if it was 07 model but looked about that year ...the police said they saw "wires sticking out of a bag" in the back of the jeep so they placed a charge on the back window and blew it out for the bomb robot to investigate ...then they towed the vehicle away.

http://www.ketv.com/video/14779144/index.html <---live coverage

Do you see how many times, the robot bomb thing is called out.  They must be selling those things like hot cakes.
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Re: Mall Shooting 9 dead/5 injured/Gunman committed "suicide"/Message to GWB?
« Reply #105 on: December 05, 2007, 10:21:18 PM »
Do you see how many times, the robot bomb thing is called out.  They must be selling those things like hot cakes.
yeah and its always the classic "wires sticking out" line isnt it

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Re: Mall Shooting 9 dead/5 injured/Gunman committed "suicide"/Message to GWB?
« Reply #106 on: December 05, 2007, 10:22:05 PM »
yeah and its always the classic "wires sticking out" line isnt it

Beat me to it, was just about to point that out.
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Re: Mall Shooting 9 dead/5 injured/Gunman committed "suicide"/Message to GWB?
« Reply #107 on: December 05, 2007, 10:25:22 PM »
I don't watch TV shows very much and I'm not relating the show Jericho to today's shooter.  I just thought this was interesting.
There is a character on the show with the same name, Robert Hawkins who is a CIA operative who is, "familiar with military training for marksmanship."

http://jerichowiki.cbs.com/page/Robert+Hawkins

Again, I just found this interesting during some research.

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Re: Mall Shooting 9 dead/5 injured/Gunman committed "suicide"/Message to GWB?
« Reply #108 on: December 05, 2007, 10:25:28 PM »
Beat me to it, was just about to point that out.

that is all they ever say:

wires sticking out...

arms flailing around...

introverted...

loner...

stuck to himself (bullshit he was attached to his friend like glue)...

on depressants...

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Re: Mall Shooting 9 dead/5 injured/Gunman committed "suicide"/Message to GWB?
« Reply #109 on: December 05, 2007, 10:27:28 PM »
I don't watch TV shows very much and I'm not relating the show Jericho to today's shooter.  I just thought this was interesting.
There is a character on the show with the same name, Robert Hawkins who is a CIA operative who is, "familiar with military training for marksmanship."

http://jerichowiki.cbs.com/page/Robert+Hawkins

Again, I just found this interesting during some research.

yup posted it earlier, but really looks like an empty tunnel and has not much reality based info so, back to the news reports and inconsistencies.

What pisses me off is there is absolutely no investigation whatsoever.  NONE!
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Re: Mall Shooting 9 dead/5 injured/Gunman committed "suicide"/Message to GWB?
« Reply #110 on: December 05, 2007, 10:27:40 PM »
Don't forget "history of mental illness."

This is sickening.
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Re: Mall Shooting 9 dead/5 injured/Gunman committed "suicide"/Message to GWB?
« Reply #111 on: December 05, 2007, 10:32:54 PM »
Metal detectors spawning up in malls all around the country... coming soon

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Re: Mall Shooting 9 dead/5 injured/Gunman committed "suicide"/Message to GWB?
« Reply #112 on: December 05, 2007, 10:36:32 PM »
SKS Assault Rifle is the weapon they are saying it is.

AC is talking to the landlord.  She said she saw the suicide note.

She seemed credible...

He knew about guns, his dad taught him but she has no idea how he got that gun.

he called her about the same time the shooting started.

he was very troubled and got kicked out of the home of his step-mom and dad a year and a half ago.  She said she took him in because he was like a lost puppy.  he broke up with his girlfriend 2 weeks ago and was upset.
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Re: Mall Shooting 9 dead/5 injured/Gunman committed "suicide"/Message to GWB?
« Reply #113 on: December 05, 2007, 10:48:48 PM »
"Surgical nurse Debora Maruca-Kovac, whose family took in Hawkins after her 17- and 19-year-old sons befriended him, said she saw victims of the mall shooting being brought in to the hospital where she works."

"Hawkins was not on any medication for mental illness, but he had been treated in the past for depression and attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder, Maruca-Kovac said."

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Re: Mall Shooting 9 dead/5 injured/Gunman committed "suicide"/Message to GWB?
« Reply #114 on: December 05, 2007, 10:52:58 PM »
Check out how the Sun describes the scene - this guy is already a demon

Balcony nut kills eight at mall
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article551285.ece


A TEENAGE gun maniac shot dead eight people and injured five others from the balcony of a US shopping mall last night – then turned the weapon on himself. Just an hour earlier President George Bush was in the city where the shootings took place. The 19-year-old gunman – named locally as Robert A. Hawkins – fired up to 40 shots as he picked off terrified Christmas shoppers in Omaha, Nebraska. Two of the injured were critically ill last night. The killer’s mum found a suicide note saying: “I want to go out in style.” People ran screaming through the Westroads Mall and barricaded themselves in dressing rooms as the gunfire started. Witness Jennifer Cramer said: “We heard 35-40 shots . . . then saw someone down by the escalator, bleeding.” Another witness said: “I was standing around getting ready to go back to work and all of a sudden I heard this bang, bang, bang - it sounded like someone shooting fireworks. I ran to get away from whatever was happening.” Mall worker Charissa Tatoon said: “I heard three loud pops. Immediately after that, there was a series of maybe 20 to 25 more shots up on the third floor.” Another witness said she heard someone shout: “It’s a gunman, run!”. Then they saw bullet casings cascading off the balcony. Cops were alerted by a call from inside the mall and operators heard rapid gunfire. Armed officers surrounded the building as shoppers and employees walked out with their hands up. Many were trapped inside for hours. The gunman was found dead on the third floor of the Von Maur department store. Cops gave no motive for the attack. Medics were seen ferrying the dead and wounded out on stretchers. Witness Shawn Vidlak told how he heard four or five rapid shots “like a nail gun.” He said: “People started screaming about gunshots. I grabbed my wife and kids. We got out of there as fast as we could.” A woman named Heidi told how she hid with 30 shoppers and staff at another store. She said: “All we know was people were running and screaming down the hallway saying there was a shooting.”



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Re: Mall Shooting 9 dead/5 injured/Gunman committed "suicide"/Message to GWB?
« Reply #115 on: December 05, 2007, 11:09:35 PM »
With this non-stop media coverage I wonder if most Americans have forgotten Bush's lies about Iran's nuclear weapons.

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Re: Mall Shooting 9 dead/5 injured/Gunman committed "suicide"/Message to GWB?
« Reply #116 on: December 05, 2007, 11:31:14 PM »
With this non-stop media coverage I wonder if most Americans have forgotten Bush's lies about Iran's nuclear weapons.

Nope... http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=17398.0

And check out this cherry: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=17819.0

But this is what they are trying to hide:

Senate panel advances global warming bill.
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/12/05/senate-panel-advances-global-warming-bill/

AP reports: Democrats turned back repeated efforts by Republican senators to soften the economic impact of a global warming bill before advancing it out of a Senate committee on Wednesday. It was the first bill calling for mandatory U.S. limits on so-called greenhouse gases to be taken up in Congress since global warming emerged as an environmental issue more than two decades ago. The bill was approved 11-8 by the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee. […] The bill calls for the United States to cut carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions by 70 percent by 2050 from electric power plants, manufacturing and transportation. It would create a “cap-and-trade” system whereby companies would have pollution allowances that they could sell if they went below the emission limits, or buy if they found they could not meet the requirements.
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Re: Mall Shooting 9 dead/5 injured/Gunman committed "suicide"/Message to GWB?
« Reply #117 on: December 05, 2007, 11:35:52 PM »
why didn't the cops go in a shoot him, rather than wait outside for hours.

In the end they didn't even get him. He shot himself.

Tell me what the job of the cops is again?

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Re: Mall Shooting 9 dead/5 injured/Gunman committed "suicide"/Message to GWB?
« Reply #118 on: December 05, 2007, 11:39:57 PM »
why didn't the cops go in a shoot him, rather than wait outside for hours.

In the end they didn't even get him. He shot himself.

Tell me what the job of the cops is again?

actually, they got there in 6 minutes and initial reports were that he failed in an attempt to kill himself.  then nothing for 2 hours and then he killed himself.

I think the reports that they caught him before he killed himself need to be explored and the video of the cops capturing another suspect with camo.
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Re: Mall Shooting 9 dead/5 injured/Gunman committed "suicide"/Message to GWB?
« Reply #119 on: December 06, 2007, 12:02:54 AM »
Hey,

I got "wires sticking out" of my head....

I even get reception now and then.

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