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I don't think he cared about the counte-productive nature of these drone strikes, he just knew that the war could never be "won" by the use of them, or the use of them alone.  But, I am sure he was smart enough to know that the war wasn't started so it could be "won".

This is all bullshit on both sides.

hard to argue that.
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I don't think he cared about the counte-productive nature of these drone strikes, he just knew that the war could never be "won" by the use of them, or the use of them alone.  But, I am sure he was smart enough to know that the war wasn't started so it could be "won".

This is all bullshit on both sides.

  That's the bottom line.  It is all 100% BS.

  Now that Soetoro has his resignation, he should not even talk to Soetoro.  I sure wouldn't.
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Re: Rolling Stone: McChrystal has Evidence of Psychosis
« Reply #42 on: June 22, 2010, 11:27:52 PM »
Next Drug Czar...

Funny how his deadlines are always just one more year away.

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I'm with you.  It's not going to be won in any event.  Not sure that was ever really the plan.

I think the plan was for war, followed by more war, followed by yet more war.

With a chance of even more war in the morning.

I remember one of Alex's guest saying about 2-3 months ago that McChrystal was out, now this. It looks like he fell on his sword and this was meant to make the noise it has made. This is to make the NeoCons say that Obama is weak even the the agenda still keeps marching on.

This is was a setup. I'm still trying to remember what guest said that McChrystal would be sacked. I'm not sure if it was Tarpley, Rivero, ect...

This cocksucker might be a possible Presidential candidate.

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But we've always been at war with Afghanistan...

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Volcanic Obama set to erupt on McChrystal
President summons general to Washington to explain his critical remarks

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/volcanic-obama-set-to-erupt-on-mcchrystal/article1614013/


Commander of U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan Gen. Stanley McChrystal, right, and U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan Karl Eikenberry are seen in a May 2010 file photo. Charles Dharapak/AP

Konrad Yakabuski
Washington — From Wednesday's Globe and Mail
Published on Tuesday, Jun. 22, 2010 9:32PM EDT
 
Last updated on Tuesday, Jun. 22, 2010 11:19PM EDT
 
Were it not for the cloud of Icelandic volcanic ash that marooned Stanley McChrystal and his acolytes in Paris for days this spring – enabling a Rolling Stone reporter to gradually loosen their well-lubricated lips – Barack Obama might have been spared the embarrassing task of having to recall his top commander in Afghanistan from the poppy-strewn battlefield.

But now that he has summoned General McChrystal to the White House, Eyjafjallajokull may not go down as the year’s biggest eruption as the U.S. President – described by his press secretary as “angry, you would know it if you saw it” – prepares to unleash his fury in person.

Of all the criticism he’s taken – from the “socialist” barbs to charges he can’t emote – perhaps nothing should bother Mr. Obama more than Gen. McChrystal’s intimation (made through an unidentified adviser) that he is unengaged and uninformed about the war that could define his presidency.

Almost every other account of Mr. Obama’s command of the topic suggests, on the contrary, a President so well-informed and razor sharp as to constantly disarm top military brass, challenging their assumptions and their advice.

Mr. Obama is big enough to let the personal criticism slide. What he cannot as commander-in-chief accept is public impertinence – not to mention what the President euphemistically called “poor judgment” – from the people he is counting on to execute his quixotic strategy in Afghanistan.

The “surge” there is not going well and the President’s promised drawdown of troops starting next summer looks like a pipedream. But dismissing Gen. McChrystal – a sinewy, superhuman who sleeps four hours, runs 12 kilometres and eats only once daily – could make Mr. Obama even more vulnerable to criticism if the war goes from bad to worse.

“There is no question McChrystal spoke out of school and a certain level of discipline is in order,” Charles Kupchan, a professor at Georgetown University’s School of Foreign Affairs, noted in an interview. “But progress in Afghanistan remains difficult to come by. Therefore, a major command change at this point has both military and political implications.”

The comments made to Rolling Stone by Gen. McChrystal and his aides are more unfortunate than incriminating. They do not compromise U.S. security or directly challenge the President’s authority.

As such, this crisis is not comparable to the one faced by Harry S Truman in 1951, when he fired General Douglas MacArthur. As Princeton University historian Julian Zelizer explained in an interview: “MacArthur was much bigger. He was openly criticizing the president’s strategy in Korea, saying the president was endangering the troops there. So far, McChrystal has only made some sloppy comments to Rolling Stone.”

That does not make it much easier to forgive him. Mr. Obama is uncommonly burdened. The BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico is consuming his administration, and he got more bad news Tuesday when a federal judge invalidated his six-month moratorium on deepwater drilling. Too bad he must now contend with the sophomoric mutterings of McChrystal hacks getting “bleep-faced” at Kitty O’Shea’s pub.

If he was steamed by the indiscretions of Gen. McChrystal and his “Team America” staff (They borrowed the moniker from a South Park movie. Enough said.), Mr. Obama’s blood surely boiled at Afghan President Hamid Karzai’s praise of the U.S. military chief. Through a spokesman, Mr. Karzai called Gen. McChrystal “a person of great integrity who has a very good understanding of the Afghan people and the Afghan culture.”

Mr. Karzai, still smarting from Washington’s less-than-full-throated endorsement of his leadership and vocal criticism of his corruption-riddled government, has repeatedly taunted the Obama administration.

But firing Gen. McChrystal would only make the already strained relationship between Washington and Kabul more dysfunctional, especially as long as Karl Eikenberry – whose leaked cables show he opposed the troop surge – remains the U.S. ambassador in Afghanistan.

Before Mr. Obama announced 30,000 more troops for the Afghan mission in December, he had been twice betrayed by military brass – first when Gen. McChrystal’s mid-2009 report calling for 40,000 troops was leaked to the media, and then when the general told a London audience in October that anything short of a full-out counterinsurgency strategy was a recipe for “Chaos-istan.”

Author Jonathan Alter recounts in The Promise that Gen. McChrystal was merely a pawn of his military bosses – Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman Admiral Mike Mullen and Gen. David Petraeus, head of U.S. Central Command. “They were using McChrystal to jam the President, box him in, manipulate him, game him,” Mr. Alter writes.

In the end, the military honchos got nearly all they asked for, though last week – just before passing out – Gen. Petraeus told a Senate hearing that he could only offer a “qualified yes” when asked if the objective of drawing down the 100,000 U.S. troops by July, 2011, was achievable.

Without Gen. McChrystal, it might be impossible.

Mr. Obama, it is by now well known, is not one given to the heat of the moment. His decisions are well considered. But spewing a bit of lava before he unveils his fate to Gen. McChrystal is surely in order.
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Obama has finally found an ass to kick:  his own (ex?) general's.

Lot easier than say kicking the well-head's "ass", or the Queen's ass, or the Taliban's "ass".

The trick is finding an ass that is in kicking reach of his foot.

I think I know whose ass he need to kick, and unless he is a contortionist, it is physically impossible.

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OK, the MSM is going full tilt on the Rolling Stones article.

That means the article was a plant.

But for what?

Now McChrystal is a complete wild man who obstructed justice with Tillman (at least).

But he  is butting heads with Holbrook and Jones (takes orders from Kissinger)

Bilderberg wants their Iran war. Could McChrystal (although a psycho) be saying "not on my watch"

Anyone got info on McChrystal's feelings about Iran?

If McChrystal Wasn’t a General, the Right Would Call Him a Rank Iran Appeaser
http://washingtonindependent.com/61930/if-mcchrystal-wasnt-a-general-the-right-would-call-him-a-rank-iran-appeaser
By Spencer Ackerman 10/1/09 2:54 PM

More from Gen. Stanley McChrystal’s remarks in London to the International Institute for Strategic Studies. I strongly urge you to check out his remarks in full. Here he gets a question about “Iran’s significance for the Afghan equation.” McChrystal’s reply:

Iran, of course, being, you know, in such proximity to Afghanistan and having significant influence inside Afghanistan, is a big player. They, in my view, they have a lot of very positive influence inside Afghanistan, some of it cultural, some of it financial, just things that any neighbor would have to try to build the stability. I think that if Iran takes a very mature look at a stable Afghanistan and support the government of Afghanistan, then we’ll be — we’ll be in good shape. If they were to choose not to do that, and they were to choose to support insurgents, I think that would be a significant miscalculation.

I can’t wait for the braying conservative outcry against McChrystal’s craven appeasement of the butchers of Tehran or whatever. For what it’s worth, McChrystal sounds unconvinced that Iran actually is supporting Afghan insurgents, while Michael Vickers, an assistant secretary of defense, yesterday testified that Iranian “meddling there [in Afghanistan] is somewhat less than they’ve done in Iraq, but they do support Sunni groups; strange alliances, but they do, in fact.”

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Maybe General McChrystal is not 'on board' with the plan to attack Iran.

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Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren,  ye have done it unto me.

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General Stanley McChrystal Begins Reducing Oversupply of Civilian Contractors in Afghanistan
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The US commander in Afghanistan said Friday that the military is wasting money by employing too many private contractors to do jobs better done by soldiers or local Afghans.


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Well THAT might have pissed off a few people... Stanley's not crazy about the contractors... but Obama apparently loves those guys...

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Obama Gives Discredited Blackwater Mercenary Corporation
Millions to Function in Afghanistan

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On Friday, the US State Department awarded Blackwater another "diplomatic security" contract to protect US officials in Afghanistan. CBS News reports that the $120 million deal is for "protective services" at the US consulates in Herat and Mazar-e-Sharif. Blackwater has another security contract in Afghanistan worth $200 million and trains Afghan forces.

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Hmmm ... Stanley is not playing ball with Dyncorp... could be a problem...

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DynCorp Gets $88M Support Contract From Air Force
DynCorp Int'l receives order from Air Force valued at up to $88 million
The Associated Press
FALLS CHURCH, Va. January 12, 2010 (AP)
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=9541532

DynCorp International has received an order worth as much as $88 million from the Air Force for maintenance and support services, the military contractor said Tuesday.

The contract spans 16 months and covers organizational, intermediate and depot-level maintenance for all Naval Test Wing Atlantic aircraft and support equipment.

DynCorp, which also trains police units and provides aviation support in countries such as Iraq , stands to lose a sizeable chunk of such funding because of a recent decision by the top military commander in Afghanistan.

Gen. Stanley McChrystal gave control of national police training to the military, a service DynCorp has provided since 2003.

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This whole drama about calling McChrystal to the white house might just be a dose of public humiliation designed to get him behind the attack plan. That would be contrary to all indications that McChrystal has made; that he would not support this attack. 

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Is McChrystal dovish on Iran?
Posted By Stephen M. Walt Tuesday, October 6, 2009 - 4:20 PM
http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/10/05/is_mcchrystal_dovish_on_iran

I've blogged a lot about Iran and Afghanistan over the past few months, but I've been remiss in not highlighting an important connection between the two issues. As Spencer Ackerman noted a few days ago, U.S. Afghan commander Stanley McChrystal offered this intriguing comment during his remarks at IISS headquarters in London last week:

    Iran, of course, being, you know, in such proximity to Afghanistan and having significant influence inside Afghanistan, is a big player. They, in my view, they have a lot of very positive influence inside Afghanistan, some of it cultural, some of it financial, just things that any neighbor would have to try to build the stability. I think that if Iran takes a very mature look at a stable Afghanistan and support the government of Afghanistan, then we'll be -- we'll be in good shape. If they were to choose not to do that, and they were to choose to support insurgents, I think that would be a significant miscalculation.

I don't think this comment was an idle remark by McChrystal. What he's telling us is that Iran could be a positive influence in Afghanistan, and that it could also be a real hindrance to our efforts. And that means that an attack on Iran would make our situation in Afghanistan even worse than it is already, because Iran would have both the capacity and the incentive to retaliate.

There's no love lost between Iran and the Taliban, in part because the Taliban murdered ten Iranian diplomats in Mazari Sharif back in 1998. But Iran does retain some influence there -- as McChystal points out --and they would undoubtedly be looking for some way to pay us back if we were foolish enough to strike them. McChrystal is probably aware that advocates of a hardline approach to Tehran have a lot of clout in the Obama administration, and that plenty of other voices -- such as GOP Senator Lindsay Graham -- continue to wave the big stick even as negotiations get underway.

So McChrystal's seemingly innocuous remark might actually be something of a pre-emptive strike against those who keep suggesting that our only approach to Iran is preventive war.
If so, then this might be another illustration of Richard Betts's argument in Soldiers, Statesmen, and Cold War Crises, which showed that at least in the U.S. context, civilians are often a lot more bellicose than the uniformed military. In any case, I hope Obama is paying attention.

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Michael Savage brought up an interesting observation.

Unlike alot of Generals, General McChrystal is liked very much in the military. He is known to go out drinking with his fellow military men and women, and he has even been known to go fighting along side other men and women fighting in battles, which is unheard of for Generals in the Military.

If you want to break apart the military and more than it already is, and break up morale even more than it is, you do exactly what Obama did, fire The General.

Anyway, Michael Savage brought up another interesting observation too.

Remember when Obama said he wanted to have a "all Civilian Army" to be just like the military?

Well, Michael Savage said, "Obama wants to get rid of the parts of the Military".
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Also, Michael Savage brought up another great point.

He said, "do you want to know why the most powerful military in the world can't win a war since World War 2"?

He basically said, "you half ass it".

He also said, "it isn't the first time Generals who are well liked by the military get fired when there are wars going on too".

The President at the time during The Korean War fired The General for criticizing The President too.
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He's right about "half assing it".  Did he mention that more money is made by prolonged engagements?

If you want to win, then you have a draft and enlist men at a rate equal to that of WWI or WWII.

This is like Big Pharma.  They don't want to cure anything, they want to give you something that you have to buy for the rest of your life.
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General McChrystal’s Burning Contempt for the Puppet Obama
http://www.infowars.com/general-mcchrystals-burning-contempt-for-the-puppet-obama/
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June 22, 2010

The farce that is the war in Afghanistan is coming apart at the seams. General Stanley McChrystal’s sharp comments about Obama, Biden, and the administration published by Rolling Stone are not so much about disrespect, as the script-reading corporate media talking heads would have it, but rather about a policy in disarray in Afghanistan.



Obama the wunderbar teleprompter reader (and little else) is instructed to push the completely untenable prospect that the United States can win the so-called war in Afghanistan, a country often referred to as the graveyard of empires. The British, the Russians, Alexander the Great, and Genghis Khan either fell to the Afghans or made painful concessions. The British suffered one of their greatest military defeats in the Khyber. 16,500 British soldiers and civilians, retreating after defeat in Kabul, were slaughtered by the Afghans. One person was spared to tell the story.

The establishment knows it cannot “win” in Afghanistan and the claim the U.S. military is there to defeat the Taliban and al-Qaeda is nothing but transparent propaganda.

Afghanistan is a black hole sucking up men and machinery for the sake of death merchant profiteers. It is valuable real estate to be held — not conquered — real estate where opium grows for the sake of CIA off-the-books operating capital funding covert wars against enemies of the global elite. The fantastic profits earned from opium also flood the coffers of the masters of the casino economy on Wall Street. As Catherine Austin Fiits has documented, without this influx of laundered underground and illicit money Wall Street would have collapsed long ago.

After the so-called Afghanistan assessment was supposedly leaked to the CIA’s favorite newspaper last year — the report recommended in Pentagon-speak securing the population, aiding in providing good governance, building and mentoring the Afghan security forces — McChrystal threatened to resign if he was not provided with resources to accomplish the mission.

In other words, McChrystal said he needs more troops, something our rulers will not do. Not because it is politically unpopular, but because the mission in Afghanistan is not to win. The unstated mission is to chew up men, resources, and a lot of money loaned out by international banksters. The mission is to keep an unwinnable conflict on low heat indefinitely, or at least until the United States collapses from the crushing debt burden.

McChrystal made his opinion about the corporatization of the “war” known in April when he criticized the use of private-sector contractors. “I actually think we would be better to reduce the number of contractors involved.” He suggested increasing the number of troops “if necessary,” or “using a greater number of Afghan contractors, or Afghans to help with the mission,” according to the Boston Globe.

Instead of acting as the CEO of a floundering occupation designed to last forever, McChrystal hinted he would resign. “Three officers at the Pentagon and in Kabul told McClatchy that the McChrystal they know would resign before he’d stand behind a faltering policy that he thought would endanger his forces or the strategy,” it was reported last September.

Now McChrystal and his boys are making sarcastic and derogatory — even adolescent — remarks about Obama and Biden in the presence of Rolling Stone journalists. McChrystal realizes this behavior will likely result in his forced resignation. He has obviously arrived at a decision to publicly express his contempt for Obama and the administration.

Contempt for the Chicago Mafia errand boy and accomplished teleprompter reader is now a popular sport not only in Washington but around the country. He will likely go down as the most reviled puppet of the ruling elite in modern history.

Another marionette awaits behind the curtain.
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Don't forget that it was McChrystal who was a, if not the, big player in the Pat Tillman cover-up.  AND he was one of the main figures in the torture policy.

Hardly a guy to be trusted.  If anything he's nothing other than a player in yet more theatre.
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Holy crap!

If McChrystal Wasn’t a General, the Right Would Call Him a Rank Iran Appeaser
http://washingtonindependent.com/61930/if-mcchrystal-wasnt-a-general-the-right-would-call-him-a-rank-iran-appeaser
By Spencer Ackerman 10/1/09 2:54 PM

More from Gen. Stanley McChrystal’s remarks in London to the International Institute for Strategic Studies. I strongly urge you to check out his remarks in full. Here he gets a question about “Iran’s significance for the Afghan equation.” McChrystal’s reply:

Iran, of course, being, you know, in such proximity to Afghanistan and having significant influence inside Afghanistan, is a big player. They, in my view, they have a lot of very positive influence inside Afghanistan, some of it cultural, some of it financial, just things that any neighbor would have to try to build the stability. I think that if Iran takes a very mature look at a stable Afghanistan and support the government of Afghanistan, then we’ll be — we’ll be in good shape. If they were to choose not to do that, and they were to choose to support insurgents, I think that would be a significant miscalculation.

I can’t wait for the braying conservative outcry against McChrystal’s craven appeasement of the butchers of Tehran or whatever. For what it’s worth, McChrystal sounds unconvinced that Iran actually is supporting Afghan insurgents, while Michael Vickers, an assistant secretary of defense, yesterday testified that Iranian “meddling there [in Afghanistan] is somewhat less than they’ve done in Iraq, but they do support Sunni groups; strange alliances, but they do, in fact.”

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Maybe General McChrystal is not 'on board' with the plan to attack Iran.



General Stanley McChrystal Begins Reducing Oversupply of Civilian Contractors in Afghanistan
News Type: Event — Seeded on Sat Apr 17, 2010 5:20 AM EDT
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The US commander in Afghanistan said Friday that the military is wasting money by employing too many private contractors to do jobs better done by soldiers or local Afghans.


==============================

Well THAT might have pissed off a few people... Stanley's not crazy about the contractors... but Obama apparently loves those guys...

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Obama Gives Discredited Blackwater Mercenary Corporation
Millions to Function in Afghanistan

http://truthlover.newsvine.com/_news/2010/06/20/4536019-obama-gives-discredited-blackwater-mercenary-corporation-millions-to-function-in-afghanistan
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On Friday, the US State Department awarded Blackwater another "diplomatic security" contract to protect US officials in Afghanistan. CBS News reports that the $120 million deal is for "protective services" at the US consulates in Herat and Mazar-e-Sharif. Blackwater has another security contract in Afghanistan worth $200 million and trains Afghan forces.

==============================

Hmmm ... Stanley is not playing ball with Dyncorp... could be a problem...

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DynCorp Gets $88M Support Contract From Air Force
DynCorp Int'l receives order from Air Force valued at up to $88 million
The Associated Press
FALLS CHURCH, Va. January 12, 2010 (AP)
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=9541532

DynCorp International has received an order worth as much as $88 million from the Air Force for maintenance and support services, the military contractor said Tuesday.

The contract spans 16 months and covers organizational, intermediate and depot-level maintenance for all Naval Test Wing Atlantic aircraft and support equipment.

DynCorp, which also trains police units and provides aviation support in countries such as Iraq , stands to lose a sizeable chunk of such funding because of a recent decision by the top military commander in Afghanistan.

Gen. Stanley McChrystal gave control of national police training to the military, a service DynCorp has provided since 2003.



This whole drama about calling McChrystal to the white house might just be a dose of public humiliation designed to get him behind the attack plan. That would be contrary to all indications that McChrystal has made; that he would not support this attack. 

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Is McChrystal dovish on Iran?
Posted By Stephen M. Walt Tuesday, October 6, 2009 - 4:20 PM
http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/10/05/is_mcchrystal_dovish_on_iran

I've blogged a lot about Iran and Afghanistan over the past few months, but I've been remiss in not highlighting an important connection between the two issues. As Spencer Ackerman noted a few days ago, U.S. Afghan commander Stanley McChrystal offered this intriguing comment during his remarks at IISS headquarters in London last week:

    Iran, of course, being, you know, in such proximity to Afghanistan and having significant influence inside Afghanistan, is a big player. They, in my view, they have a lot of very positive influence inside Afghanistan, some of it cultural, some of it financial, just things that any neighbor would have to try to build the stability. I think that if Iran takes a very mature look at a stable Afghanistan and support the government of Afghanistan, then we'll be -- we'll be in good shape. If they were to choose not to do that, and they were to choose to support insurgents, I think that would be a significant miscalculation.

I don't think this comment was an idle remark by McChrystal. What he's telling us is that Iran could be a positive influence in Afghanistan, and that it could also be a real hindrance to our efforts. And that means that an attack on Iran would make our situation in Afghanistan even worse than it is already, because Iran would have both the capacity and the incentive to retaliate.

There's no love lost between Iran and the Taliban, in part because the Taliban murdered ten Iranian diplomats in Mazari Sharif back in 1998. But Iran does retain some influence there -- as McChystal points out --and they would undoubtedly be looking for some way to pay us back if we were foolish enough to strike them. McChrystal is probably aware that advocates of a hardline approach to Tehran have a lot of clout in the Obama administration, and that plenty of other voices -- such as GOP Senator Lindsay Graham -- continue to wave the big stick even as negotiations get underway.

So McChrystal's seemingly innocuous remark might actually be something of a pre-emptive strike against those who keep suggesting that our only approach to Iran is preventive war.
If so, then this might be another illustration of Richard Betts's argument in Soldiers, Statesmen, and Cold War Crises, which showed that at least in the U.S. context, civilians are often a lot more bellicose than the uniformed military. In any case, I hope Obama is paying attention.

SHAUN CURRY/AFP/Getty Images
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Holy crapola even more:


Cerebus to Buy Dyncorp
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/Cerebus-to-Buy-Dyncorp-06313/
13-Apr-2010 18:18 EDT

Private investment firm Cerberus Capital Management, LP has reached a $1.5 billion deal to buy the support and security contractor DynCorp International, including the assumption of debt. The purchase price would be $17.55 per share – a 49% premium to the April 9/10 close of $11.75, and 12.4x the FY 2010 consensus forecast of $1.41 earnings per share. A “go shop” provision gives DynCorp 28 days to find a higher and better offer, if it can.

Affiliates of Veritas Capital Fund Management, L.L.C. have already executed a Voting Agreement in favor, swinging an aggregate of 34.9% of the outstanding shares. That level of support will make the deal very difficult to stop.

Note that 12.4x is still a low multiple, when compared to a number of more diversified public competitors like KBR and SAIC. Unfortunately, it’s difficult to compare DynCorp with privately-held security contractor peers like the similarly-controversial Xe (formerly Blackwater), IAP Worldwide Services, Triple Canopy, etc. The result is somewhat predictable…


In the wake of the Cerebus announcement, a number of law firms are “advertising by press release,” in hopes of representing shareholders who feel that the merger was done on poor terms, or structured in an unfair manner. Firms advertising these efforts include, inter alia, Howard G. Smith, Levis & Korinsky, Rigrodsky & Long P.A., Robbins Umeda LLP, and Wolf Haldenstein Adler Freeman & Herz LLP.

Absent successful legal measures, the DynCorp buyout is expected to close in Q3-Q4 2010. Upon completion, DynCorp International will become a wholly-owned private company, joining Cerebus’ growing portfolio of security-related companies. Cerebus already owns DynCorp competitor IAP Workdwide Services in Cape Canaveral, FL; weapons and military training firm Tier 1 Group in Jacksonville, NC; and the government-focused temporary staffing company Radia Holdings, in Tokyo. In October 2009, Cerberus filed an IPO for Freedom Group Inc. of Madison, NC, which includes the well-known firearms brands Remington, Bushmaster, DPMS/Panther, Marlin, Parker, and others.

Bank of America Merrill Lynch, Citigroup Global Markets Inc., Barclays Bank plc and Deutsche Bank Securities Inc. acted as financial advisers to Cerberus, and provided debt financing for the buyout. Evercore Partners was a non-financing advisor, while outside legal counsel included Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld LLP, and Jenner & Block, LLP.

DynCorp’s main financial advisor was Goldman, Sachs & Co. Outside counsel to DynCorp included Schulte Roth & Zabel LLP; plus Richards, Layton & Finger, P.A., who acted as special outside counsel to the Board of Directors.

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DynCorp has been a prime beneficiary of the explosive global growth in private security firms, as an adjunct to military operations around the world. The company holds equipment maintenance agreements for vehicles and aircraft, such as the one to service Kuwait’s F/A-18 Hornet fleet. It offers a variety of training programs for foreign police and paramilitary forces, from Afghan and Iraqi police to African Union forces in Somalia. Military support programs include infrastructure contracting under huge multi-award contracts like AFCAP III and LOGCAP IV, and specialty services like foreign linguists, provided through its Global Linguist Solutions LLC (GLS) joint venture with McNeil Technologies.

In recent months, however, the focus on DynCorp has been decidedly negative. The poor performance of Afghanistan’s police forces, and a very critical Inspector General report in January 2010, have placed a bright spotlight on the success of DynCorp’s efforts to train that force, even though the SIGIR report blamed the ineffectiveness of the US State Department as the primary culprit. American commanders have grown increasingly concerned by that performance gap, and awarded a set of contracts to DynCorp’s competitors under multi-award contracts. DynCorp’s response was to protest the awards, on the grounds that the original contract did not cover the counter-insurgency training that American commanders had begun buying, only a broad provision around combating narco-terrorism. In March 2010, the US GAO sustained that protest, and recommended that the Army hold a new competition for the training services it needs. If the Army complies with that recommendation, a contract extension is expected for DynCorp – along with a delay in effectively implementing Afghan theater commanders’ shift in focus.
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$1.5 Billion?

Look at these contracts just in 2010:

U.S. Army has awarded DynCorp to $93 million contract to manage the FLRC
The U.S. Army has awarded DynCorp International a new task order under the Field and Installation Readiness Support (FIRST) contract to manage the Field Logistics Readiness Center (FLRC) at Fort Bliss, Texas. The task order has a potential value of $93 million... ::

U.S awarded $17.2 million contract to DynCorp to support the Royal Saudi helicopter fleet
The U.S. Army Aviation and Missile Command has awarded a contract to DynCorp International to provide helicopter maintenance support services for the Royal Saudi helicopter fleet. The contract, which was awarded under the Foreign Military Sales program, has a... ::

DynCorp wins $35 million contract to Support Philippine Forces from U.S
DynCorp International LLC is being awarded a modification to decrease the maximum dollar value by $34,486,995 contract to provide support services for Philippines operations support in the Republic of the Philippines for the Joint Special Operations Task Force... ::

DynCorp wins $232.4 million mentoring and training contract in Afghanistan
The U.S. Army Research, Development and Engineering Command (RDECOM) has awarded DynCorp International a $232.4 million cost-plus-fixed fee contract to assist the Combined Security Transition Command-Afghanistan (CSTC-A) and NATO Training Mission (NTM) by prov... ::

DynCorp wins $16.9 million maintenance contract for Kuwait Air Force's F/A-18
The United States Navy has awarded DynCorp International a $16.9 million modification to a previously awarded contract for maintenance services in support of the Kuwait Air Force F/A-18 program under the Foreign Military Sales program. This modification exerci... ::

DynCorp International awarded maintenance work for Naval Test Wing Atlantic
The U.S. Air Force has awarded DynCorp International a delivery order under the Contract Field Teams (CFT) contract to provide organizational, intermediate, and depot-level aircraft maintenance and logistics support on all Naval Test Wing Atlantic aircraft and... ::

DynCorp has been awarded $67 million contract by U.S. Army for LCCS C-12 program
The U.S. Army has extended service under the final option year of the Army Life Cycle Contractor Support Services (LCCS) C-12 Program for DynCorp International. The current contract, which was awarded to DynCorp International in 2000, was due to expire at t... ::

DynCorp wins $230 million contract for USAF flight training support
DynCorp International was awarded a contract by the U.S. Air Force to provide aircraft maintenance support at Sheppard Air Force Base. The value of the contract is $31.2 million for the base period, and a potential maximum value of $230 million over seven year... ::

DynCorp, partners win $643.5 million order for Southern Afghanistan logistics support
The Department of the Army has awarded DynCorp International and its two partners, CH2M Hill and Taos Industries, a task order for logistics support for the Afghanistan-South Area of Responsibility (AOR) under its existing LOGCAP IV contract. The task order v... ::

DynCorp International Wins $99 Million Contract to Send Advisors to Iraq
FALLS CHURCH, Va. --- The U.S. Department of Defense has awarded DynCorp International a $99 million contract to support and assist the Multi-National Security Transition Command-Iraq (MNSTC-I). DynCorp International will provide up to 128 Senior Level positio... :: (Source: DynCorp International)

Pentagon Contract Announcement
DynCorp International, Forth Worth, Texas, was awarded on Nov. 12, 2008, an $11,178,448 firm fixed fee contract. DynCorp International LLC shall assist the Kuwait Air Force in achieving its aircraft operational rate of 75 precent through the implementation of ... :: (Source: US Department of Defense)

DynCorp Wins $78M to Support Philippine Operations
DynCorp International LLC, Fort Worth, Texas, is being awarded $44,259,606 which provides for exercise of the first option period under a cost-plus-award-fee contract with award options to provide support services for Philippines operations support in the Repu... :: (Source: US Department of Defense)

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Cerberus is named after the 3 headed dog that protects Hades (WTF?)

Dan Quale, Bush's Treasury Secretary Snow, etc. They are the ones who pumped and Dumped Chrysler who is now completely owned by Italian company FIAT.

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Cerberus Capital Management
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerberus_Capital_Management


Cerberus Capital Management
Type   Limited Partnership
Industry   Private Equity
Founded   1992
Headquarters   New York City
Products   private equity funds
Total assets   $24 billion
Website   www.cerberuscapital.com


Cerberus Capital Management, L.P. is one of the largest private equity investment firms in the United States. The firm is based in New York City, and run by 50-year-old financier Steve Feinberg. Former U.S. Vice President Dan Quayle has been a prominent Cerberus spokesperson and runs one of its international units.Contents
1 History
1.1 Chrysler
1.2 GMAC
2 Broken deal for United Rentals
3 Notable acquisitions
4 Notes and references
5 External links

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History

Founded in 1992, Cerberus is named for the mythological three-headed dog that guarded the gates of Hades. Feinberg has stated to his employees that while the Cerberus name seemed like a good idea at the time, he later regretted naming the company after the mythological dog.[1]

The company has been a very active acquirer of businesses over the past several years and now has sizable investments in automotive, sportswear, paper products, military services, real estate, energy, retail, glassmaking, transportation, and building products. In 2006, its holdings amounted to $24 billion.

On October 19, 2006, John W. Snow, President George W. Bush's second United States Secretary of the Treasury, was named chairman of Cerberus.

J. Ezra Merkin is a partner in Cerberus. Merkin invested his funds into Cerberus and its portfolio companies. His Gabriel fund invested $79 million in Chrysler, $66 million in GMAC and $67 million in Cerberus partnerships, according to year-end statements.[2] The Gabriel Fund was a feeder fund for Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC.[3]

The Japanese bank, Aozora, a Cerberus company lost $137 million to Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC. Aozora was part of the investment group that acquired 51 percent of GMAC from General Motors. [4]

On April 12th 2010 Cerberus acquired the private military contractor DynCorp International.

Chrysler

In 2007, Cerberus and about 100 other investors purchased an 80% stake in Chrysler for $7.4 billion,[5] promising to bolster the auto maker’s performance by operating as an independent company. In 2008, the plan collapsed due to an unprecedented slowdown in the U.S. auto industry and a lack of capital.[6] In response to questioning at a hearing before the House committee on December 5, 2008 by Rep. Ginny Brown-Waite, Chrysler President and CEO Robert Nardelli said that Cerberus' fiduciary obligations to its other investors and investments prohibited it from injecting capital.[6]

On March 30, 2009, it was announced that Cerberus Capital Management will lose its equity stake and ownership in Chrysler as a condition of the Treasury Department’s bailout deal, but Cerberus will maintain a controlling stake in Chrysler’s financing arm, Chrysler Financial. Cerberus will utilize the first $2 billion in proceeds from its Chrysler Financial holding to backstop a $4 billion December 2008 Treasury Department loan given to Chrysler. In exchange for obtaining that loan, it promised many concessions including surrendering equity, foregoing profits, and giving up board seats:

"In order to achieve that goal Cerberus has advised the Treasury that it would contribute its equity in Chrysler automotive to labor and creditors as currency to facilitate the accommodations necessary to affect [sic] the restructuring."[7]

Chrysler Financial refused to take $750 million in Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) government bailout aid because executives didn't want to abide by executive-pay limits, and because the firm doesn't necessarily need the money.[8]

On April 30, 2009, Chrysler declared bankruptcy protection and announced that GMAC will become the financing source for new wholesale and retail Chrysler cars.[9]

Chrysler Financial, once the exclusive lending arm of the storied automaker, will liquidate and go out of business by Dec. 31, 2011, according to a letter from the U.S. Treasury Department.
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GMAC

Cerberus acquired 51 percent of GMAC, General Motors' finance arm, in 2006 for $7.4 billion.[4] It appointed Merkin as nonexecutive Chairman.[10]

As of October 15, 2008, GMAC had $173 billion of debt against $140 billion of income-producing assets (loans and leases), some which are almost worthless, in addition to GMAC Bank’s $17 billion in deposits (a liability). Even if GMAC liquidated the loans and leases, it could not pay back all of its debt.[11]

On December 10, 2008, GMAC said, "GMAC LLC, the auto and home lender seeking federal aid, hasn’t obtained enough capital to become a bank holding company and may abandon the effort, casting new doubt on the firm’s ability to survive. A $38 billion debt exchange by GMAC and its Residential Capital LLC mortgage unit to reduce the company's outstanding debt and raise capital hasn’t attracted enough participation." This was due in part because Cerberus had raised the credit requirements for car loans so high, virtually eliminating leasing, that they have been responsible for a sizable chunk of lost sales at GM due to customers inability to secure financing, in order to pressure GM into selling or trading their remaining stake in GMAC.[12] GM stands to write-off over a billion dollars in lost residuals – which they paid up front to GMAC. GMAC's exposure to the gap in residual values is around $3.5 billion.[13]

In December 2008, Cerberus subsequently informed GMAC’s bondholders that the financial services company may have to file for bankruptcy if a bond-exchange plan is not approved. The company had previously said it may fail in its quest to become a bank holding company because it lacks adequate capital.[4]

In January 2009, Merkin resigned from his chairmanship as a condition by the U.S. government.[14] Five days earlier, the Federal Reserve granted GMAC bank holding company status, so it could get access to the bailout money.[15] On December 29, 2008, the U.S. Treasury gave GMAC $5 billion from its $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP).

Cerberus's investments in Chrysler and GMAC totaled about 7 percent of its assets under management.[5]

At the end of May, 2009, Cerberus scaled back their ownership as a condition of the lender becoming a bank-holding company, when the bulk of GM's existing ownership stake in GMAC was placed into a trust, overseen by a trustee appointed by the Treasury, to be gradually dispersed. Cerberus distributed the majority of its stake in GMAC to its investors.[16] The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) gave GMAC access to the Temporary Liquidity Guarantee Program that allows companies to borrow money at lower interest rates. The initiative was created in October, 2008 to help banks borrow money by promising to repay investors if the banks defaulted. The U.S. Government also waived a rule that would restrict the amount of loans that GMAC could make to Chrysler's customers and dealers because both firms are owned in part by Cerberus Capital Management.[17]
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Broken deal for United Rentals

In the summer of 2007, Cerberus agreed to buy 100% of United Rentals, the world's largest equipment rental company and traded on the NYSE. After the credit markets began to tighten in August, Cerberus attempted to reduce the deal price. United Rentals refused to reprice the deal, and in November sued in the Delaware Court of Chancery for specific performance (i.e., a court mandate that Cerberus complete the deal). Cerberus took the position that the deal agreements capped its liability for walking away from the deal at $100 million. After a two-day trial, Delaware Chancellor William B. Chandler, III ruled for Cerberus in a closely watched decision, allowing it to pay United Rentals the agreed-upon $100 million "reverse termination fee" and terminate the merger agreement.[18]
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Notable acquisitions

Pharmaceuticals - In December 2004, the company announced the acquisition of Bayer's plasma products business and renamed it Talecris Biotherapeutics. It purchased Talecris for $83m, and sold the bulk of its shares in October 2009, for a net gain of $1.8bn.[19] [NET GAIN of $1.8B!!!! Are you kidding me? This company is a threat to National Security!]

Paper products - The company acquired MeadWestvaco's paper business for $2.3B in 2005 and renamed it NewPage Corporation. Cerberus also purchased, from Georgia Pacific Corporation, its Distribution Division/Building Products and all of its associated real estate. It renamed this new company BlueLinx Holdings, based in Atlanta.

Government Services (Military, Energy, and Food & Drug) - owns IAP Worldwide Services, which bought Johnson Controls' World Services division in February 2005. Previously owned Multimax (purchased predecessor company in 2000 and Multimax in 2006; sold entire holding in 2007 to Harris Corporation). The company is also completing acquisition of the private military contractor DynCorp International.[20]
Real Estate - Through investment affiliate Cerberus Real Estate, the company has been making direct equity, mezzanine, first mortgage, distressed and special situation investments in all asset types. It also controls Miami Beach-based LNR Property, a large real estate development and investment firm through subsidiary Riley Property. Cerberus also controls Kyo-ya, a Japan based group of entities that owns several Starwood managed assets in California, Hawaii and Florida.

Retail - Cerberus purchased 655 of the 2,500 Albertson's, Inc., grocery stores, forming Albertsons LLC of Boise, Idaho, in June 2006. They also had an ownership stake in the now-bankrupt Mervyn's department stores, which was acquired from Target Corp. In June 2007, Cerberus acquired Torex Retail Plc., a retail solutions provider in troubled waters, for approximately 400 million US dollars.[21]
Transportation - Acquired bankrupt ANC Rental, then owner of the National and Alamo car rental chains, for $230 million in October 2003 and purchased DaimlerChrysler's 45% share of debis AerFinance, an aircraft leasing business, in May 2005. Complete acquisition of debis AirFinance (later renamed AerCap) was concluded in July 2005. Also acquired North American Bus Industries, Optima Bus Corporation, and Blue Bird Corp. in the bus manufacturing sector. Cerberus also owns bus companies Coach America and American Coach Lines, which were acquired from Stagecoach Group.

Automotive - Peguform, GDX Automotive, and Chrysler.

Staffing Services Radia International

Financial Services - General Motors sold a 51% stake in its GMAC finance unit to an investor group led by Cerberus Capital Management in November 2006. GM expected to receive $14 billion over the next three years from the sale of General Motors Acceptance Corp. In December 2006, Cerberus acquired the Austrian bank BAWAG P.S.K. for a reported EUR3.2 billion. In August 2007, Cerberus announced that it was closing one of their mortgage companies, Aegis Mortgage. It owns half of a 9.9 % share (5%) with the Gabriel Group in Bank Leumi, purchased in 2005,[22] but as of April 19, 2009, it was decided to sell in order to boost capital.[23]

Firearms - Acquired Bushmaster Firearms, Inc., from Windham, Maine native Dick Dyke for an undisclosed sum in April 2006, and purchased Remington Arms in April 2007. Under Cerberus direction, Bushmaster Firearms acquired Cobb Manufacturing, a well-respected manufacturer of large-caliber tactical rifles in August 2007. Cerberus also acquired DPMS Panther Arms December 14, 2007.[24][25] Remington Arms acquired Marlin Firearms in January 2008.[26][27] In October 2009, Remington Military products acquired silencer manufacturer Advanced Armament Corporation.[28] These companies were combined into the Freedom Group.

Entertainment - Acquired a group of seven television stations, Four Points Media Group, from CBS Corporation in 2007.[29][30]
Other holdings of the investment group include the Aozora Bank in Japan and cable operator Galaxy Cable.

In 2007 Cerberus took over Corvest a promotional products company based out of Largo, FL with arms based in Simi Vally, Ca & Thorfare, NJ. With this purchase, Cerbuse placed over 200 people out of work by closing the New Jersey Toppers & another 100 or so people were put out of work with the closing of the Simi Valley Company.
In 2007 Cerberus sold a holding in Formica, Inc.

In 2010 Cerberus was the lead investor that gained an ownership stake in Panavision as part of a debt restructuring agreement with shareholder MacAndrews & Forbes, the holding company of billionaire Ronald Perelman.[31]

In March 2010, Cerberus agreed to buy New England's largest community-based health-care system Caritas Christi Health Care for $830 million. Caritas Christi will be acquired through newly formed Cerberus affiliate Steward Healthcare System LLC. [32]

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Notes and references
Notes
^ "2007 Awards for Excellence — Best Private Equity House: Cerebus". Euromoney Magazine. July 2007.
^ Wayne, Leslie (January 16, 2009). "Inquiry Started of Financier Who Invested With Madoff". The New York Times. Retrieved April 28, 2010.
^ http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:Mn0ajPzxOYAJ:s.wsj.net/public/resources/documents/st_madoff_victims_20081215.html+madoff+victim+gabriel&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us
^ a b c http://www.privateequityonline.com/Article.aspx?article=33204&hashID=92AA6C1AA4DD29B3A20AEC6CE854A4023AA19648
^ a b Story, Louise (December 5, 2008). "Chrysler’s friends in high places". The New York Times. Retrieved 2009-05-03.
^ a b Gerstein, Dan (December 10, 2008). "Chrysler's hidden coffers". Forbes. Retrieved 2009-05-03.
^ "Statement by Cerberus Capital Management". Wall Street Journal Blogs. December 19, 2008. Retrieved 2009-05-03.
^ http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124027034282936893.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
^ http://www.autonews.com/article/20090430/ANA08/904309980/1142
^ "Inquiry Started of Financier Who Invested With Madoff", New York Times (January 16, 2009)
^ http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gmac-may-file-for-bankruptcy-tomorrow/
^ http://www.zimbio.com/Cerberus+Capital+Management/articles/52/Cerberus+Capital+Management+CHRYSLER+LLC+GMAC
^ http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/gmac-leasing-debacle-bankruptcy-fears-loom-large/
^ http://nymag.com/news/businessfinance/54703/index7.html
^ "Judge Restrains Merkin Funds In Madoff Suit". The New York Times. January 7, 2009. Retrieved April 28, 2010.
^ http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124171875223096951.html
^ Irwin, Neil; Cho, David (May 22, 2009). "As GMAC Gets More Aid, Bailout Becomes One of Nation's Biggest". The Washington Post. Retrieved April 28, 2010.
^ Law Blog - WSJ.com : Chancellor Chandler Hands Cerberus a Big Win
^ Alternet, 8 January 2010, Cerberus Capital: Literally Blood-Sucking the Poor to Make Their Billions
^ MarketWatch. "DynCorp International Inc. to Be Acquired By Cerberus Capital Management, L.P.". 12 April 2010
^ Jonathan Cable and Marc Jones. Reuters. "Cerberus buys troubled Torex for 204 mln stg". 20 June 2007
^ http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1064448.html
^ http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-CreditCrisis/idUSTRE53I0FE20090419
^ "DPMS Acquired By Cerberus. Joins Bushmaster and Remington.". AccurateShooter.com Bulletin. December 15, 2007. Retrieved 2008-10-12.
^ "DPMS Acquired By Cerberus Capital Management Affiliate". Shooting Wire. December 14, 2007. Retrieved 2008-10-12.
^ Marlin Firearms (December 26, 2007). "Remington to Acquire Marlin Firearms; Deal positions Marlin and its various brands for growth". Press release. Archived from the original on 2007-12-31.
^ "Form 8-K: Remington Arms Company, Inc.". Security and Exchange Commission. January 28, 2008. Retrieved 2008-10-12. "On January 28, 2008 (the “Marlin Closing Date”), Remington completed its acquisition...."
^ [1] AAC official blog with press release October 5, 2009 entry
^ "CBS sells Austin’s KEYE to private equity firm". Austin American-Statesman. February 7, 2007. Retrieved 2008-10-12. "CBS Corporation (NYSE: CBS, CBS.A) announced today it has entered into a definitive agreement to sell seven of its owned television stations to Cerberus Capital Management, L.P. for $185 million."
^ "Form 8-K: CBS Corporation". Security and Exchange Commission. April 29, 2008. Retrieved 2008-10-12. "On January 10, 2008, the Company completed the sale of seven of its owned television stations in Austin, Salt Lake City, Providence and West Palm Beach to Cerberus Capital Management, L.P. for approximately $185 million."
^ Verrier, Richard. Los Angeles Times. "Creditors set to gain Panavision". 2 March 2010
^ Baumgaertel, Christian. BusinessWeek. "Cerberus to Buy Caritas Christi Health Care for $830 Million". 25 March 2010
References
Kelley, Matt. "The Congressman and the hedge fund." USA Today. 19 January 2006.
Thornton, Emily. "What's Bigger Than Cisco, Coke, Or McDonald's?" Business Week October 2005.
Stringer, Kortney. "Car Rental Companies are sold." Wall Street Journal. 16 October 2003.
"Acquisition of LNR Property Corporation Completed" Business Wire. 3 February 2005.
"Hirsch, Jerry. "Albertsons To Be Sold, Divided Into 3." Los Angeles Times. 24 January 2006.
Bushmaster Continues to Grow with New Owner
"Acquisition of debis AirFinance Completed," press release from AerCap, 4 July 2005.
"Cerberus Takes Over Majority Interest in Chrysler Group for $7.4B," press release from DaimlerChrysler AG.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=8&f=34&t=300729 ar15.com March 5, 2007
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$10 Billion in bailout funds, WTF?
They only spent $1.5 to get DynCorp!



Snow, Quayle, Feinberg and Merkin: This Is Who Gets Our Bailout Money?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dennis-obrien/snow-quayle-feinberg-and_b_156012.html

You might not think that your tax dollars should be given to a company like Cerberus Capital Management, L.P., the highly secretive, wildly wealthy, hugely powerful private equity firm.

But, well, we're not in Kansas anymore, are we?

Cerberus has been the beneficiary of not one, but two government bailouts; getting approximately $10 billion in taxpayer funds. Cerberus made two really bad bets, and the American taxpayer is breaking their fall.

Cerberus owns 80% of Chrysler and until recently, a controlling stake of GMAC. Who is Cerberus' chairman? John Snow, Hank Paulson's immediate predecessor as Treasury Secy. Who else is there? Among many influentials, former VP Dan Quayle. Steve Feinberg, the firm's co-founder, is a former junk bond trader at Drexel, and a big GOP contributor.

Cerebus owns companies that have over $100 billion in revenue per year, and their website says they also have $26 billion under management. So their exposure here is really quite a small percentage of their total assets. However, that didn't stop them from pulling all of the levers of power to get government help (Quayle and Snow both personally lobbied government officials). Weird how Quayle and Snow didn't show up on televised public Congressional hearings, though, huh?

As a completely unregulated private equity partnership, Cerberus has no public reporting requirements. In fact, they are now explicitly refusing to disclose their financials, or the financials of Chrysler, even after the bailout. Therefore, we have no idea what management fees they are pulling out of the company, even as we bankroll their continuing operations.

In their defense, turning Chrysler around has apparently been tougher than the geniuses at Cerberus thought it would be. Here's Steve Feinberg last January:

"We believe we bought the company very cheaply, and we do not need to be heroes to earn a good return on the investment."

Hmmm.

Cerberus has now had to give up control of GMAC, as part of the bailout deal. However, because of the infusion of government equity, Cerberus and its investors have been assured a relatively soft landing. At the behest of lawmakers, Cerberus has also promised to provide $2 billion in new equity to help GMAC. Why didn't they do this before a government bailout was necessary?

To cap all of this off, the man Cerberus hand-picked to be chairman of GMAC is hedge fund giant Ezra Merkin. Merkin has reportedly lost $1.8 billion in Bernie Madoff's Ponzi scheme, and he is being sued by NYU for "unauthorized" investments of University money with Madoff; New York Law School is suing Merkin over the $3B they lost with Madoff; and Yeshiva University is also blaming Merkin for their massive losses.

Word now is that Merkin will resign his post at GMAC. Gee, why, I wonder?

These are the people we are bailing out??

Just asking:

How much money has Cerberus made in management fees in the past year from Chrysler and GMAC?

Why has John Snow not been asked to testify before Congress?

If, as John Snow has argued, "the involvement of private investment in the economy, as seen in the Chrysler purchase, offers perhaps the last best hope of turning around the auto industry and basic manufacturing in the U.S.," why is he now begging for government funds?

Will Treasury force disclosure of Chrysler and GMAC financials now that they have been bailed out?

Will / should Cerberus be forced to liquidate assets / 'take a haircut' on other investments to keep Chrysler alive, just as the American taxpayer is doing? (after all, Snow has said keeping the car company alive is a patriotic duty!)
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this is looking like a coup of the military operations by the private contractors, as if it has not been going on for 50 years. But this is a new low, using the Rolling Stones for this dog and pony show. I wanted him investigated for Tillman, Dope, Inc, etc. Not demonized for off hand comments in a fricking bunker with his guys. I mean really, the RS article is nothing compared to the genocide they are forced to inflict on humanity.
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Cadwalader, Rothschild Advising U.S. on Automaker Restructuring
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By Tiffany Kary - February 6, 2009 00:01 EST

Feb. 6 (Bloomberg) -- A law firm with bankruptcy expertise, three capital-markets lawyers and an investment bank are advising the U.S. government on how to restructure General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC, two people involved in the work said.

The U.S. Treasury Department hired Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft LLP to evaluate several restructuring scenarios, including a government-funded bankruptcy, the people said. Cadwalader, hired last month, is working with Sonnenschein, Nath & Rosenthal, a Chicago-based law firm with capital-markets experience, and Rothschild Inc., an investment bank, the people said.

A key question the Obama administration wants answered is whether the government’s $17.4 billion in loans to Chrysler and GM would be first in line for repayment, ahead of earlier lenders such as Citigroup Inc. and JPMorgan Chase & Co., the people said.

“They certainly need sound advice on the complicated area of bankruptcy and implications for the economy,” said Bruce Clark, an auto analyst at Moody’s Investors Services.

GM, the largest U.S. automaker, and Chrysler, controlled by private-equity firm Cerberus Capital Management LP, have a Feb. 17 deadline for a progress report on a viable restructuring plan.

Unless the companies show by March 31 that they will be able to return to profit and repay the money, the government can demand repayment of the loans.

Ford Motor Co., the second-largest U.S. car maker, has shunned the government handouts so far, and isn’t a target of the work by the firms, the people said.

Early Stage

Cadwalader’s work is at an early stage and has not gotten beyond a broad overview, the people said.

Treasury spokesman Isaac Baker didn’t have an immediate comment. Rothschild managing director Todd Snyder didn’t immediately return a call and e-mail for comment. A Cadwalader spokesperson declined to confirm or deny the assignment.

Sonnenschein spokesman Jeffrey Mutterperl said his firm is advising Treasury on “ongoing matters related to the 2008-2009 developments within the U.S. automobile industry.”

GM spokeswoman Julia Gibson had no comment. Chrysler spokeswoman Shawn Morgan didn’t return calls for comment. Both automakers have dismissed calls to reorganize under bankruptcy protection, saying a Chapter 11 restructuring would scare away buyers and lead to liquidation.

Cadwalader will advise the government on how automakers might be able to do some restructuring out of court, such as gaining concessions from unions and suppliers, the people said. That would make a court-supervised bankruptcy easier, they said.

No Creditor Pact

When the government loaned the $17.4 billion in December, it didn’t work out an inter-creditor agreement that would determine its rights relative to past lenders. Cadwalader is working on such an agreement, as well as on related labor and environmental matters, the people said.

Cadwalader is also advising the government on how it might become a so-called “debtor-in-possession” or DIP lender, the people said. DIP loans fund a company’s operations as it reorganizes in bankruptcy. DIP lenders get repaid before pre- bankruptcy lenders and creditors.

Rothschild was retained to evaluate specific financial matters, such as what size such a loan would need to be, based on automaker business projections, among other things. Sonnenschein is evaluating other financial matters, such as how to structure a DIP loan, the people said.

Cadwalader has prior expertise in DIP loans, having arranged the biggest such lending ever Jan. 7 for Lyondell Chemical Co. The company received $8 billion in financing from 14 lenders. That loan, which involved a “roll-up” allowing pre-bankruptcy lenders to convert old debt to new debt, helped to raise new money amid the credit crunch.

Cadwalader’s Lawyers

The bankruptcy lawyers leading the work at Cadwalader are Deryck Palmer and John Rapisardi, the people said.

Sonnenschein lawyers working on the bailout include capital- markets partners Robert McCarthy, Jeffrey Murphy and Erik Klingenberg, Mutterperl said. All are former partners at Thacher, Proffitt & Wood LLP who were hired by the government in December to assist in investing in entities by purchasing asset-backed securities under the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act.

Rothschild’s expertise includes representing Solutia Inc., a chemical maker that emerged from bankruptcy in 2008 after a dispute with Citigroup, Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Deutsche Bank AG over whether the banks could pull out of a $2 billion funding of its restructuring because of poor market conditions. Rothschild also advised Delphi Corp., the bankrupt auto-supplier that was once a subsidiary of General Motors.

Todd Snyder, managing director of Rothschild, is leading the Rothschild effort for Treasury, the people said.

The Treasury Department has already provided a $6 billion bailout to GMAC LLC, which is partly owned by GM, and $1.5 billion to Chrysler Financial.

Current Efforts

GM and Chrysler are already both trying to restructure out of court, cutting labor costs, reducing debt levels and eliminating dealers. GM is in talks to pare $27.5 billion in unsecured debt to about $9.2 billion in a swap for equity, and it plans to shut dealers and reduce obligations to a union retiree health fund by 50 percent to $10.2 billion in a separate equity swap. Chrysler CEO Robert Nardelli has also said the company will try to cut debt levels.

January sales results from automakers plunged 55 percent at Chrysler, 49 percent at GM and 40 percent at Ford.
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To me, it is possible that as a career military man, and a commander of an armed conflict, he really detests the policy of Obama, resents that policy. And he would rather fall on his sword and tell the world what he thinks of the "commander of pacification and apologies" than take orders from a man who cannot even have the honor to look him in the eye.
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To me, it is possible that as a career military man, and a commander of an armed conflict, he really detests the policy of Obama, resents that policy. And he would rather fall on his sword and tell the world what he thinks of the "commander of pacification and apologies" than take orders from a man who cannot even have the honor to look him in the eye.

Not saying Obama's a great guy but Pat Tillman's folks wouldn't call McChrystal much more than an A-hole.

Something about all of this smells like blue cheese.
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Not saying Obama's a great guy but Pat Tillman's folks wouldn't call McChrystal much more than an A-hole.

Something about all of this smells like blue cheese.

Pleeeeeeeeease do not get me wrong, I'm not saying he is a hero for calling out Maobama or anything. McChrystal had full culpability in covering up the Tillman death, and no telling other war crimes. I'm just saying perhaps his motivation is to protect what he views as 'his legacy'. Becuase he obviously has a sort of dissconnect if he thinks he can cover up deaths and warcrimes, so why wouldnt his motivation simply be selfish?
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I think he is guilty but is not brave enough to take part in starting WWIII for his NWO masters.

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I think Soetoro is stuck with McCrystal.  They are both psychopaths and they need to keep their war efforts up.  Just a hunch that they may keep him as the leader of their fight for Afghanistan.  It will be people above Soetoro that make this decision--not Soetoro.  Just a wild guess.


McChrystal denies offering to resign
U.S. war commander arrives at White House for key meeting with Obama
   

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WASHINGTON - At a precarious moment in the war in Afghanistan, President Barack Obama prepared to hear his top war commander explain biting published complaints about the commander in chief and his aides. Even before their showdown, the White House's rebuke of Gen. Stanley McChrystal suggested it would be hard for him to save his job.

Before facing the president, McChrystal met with Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Mike Mullen at the Pentagon.

On his arrival at the Pentagon, he denied to NBC News that he's offered his resignation. "Come on, you know better than that.  No!"


McChrystal left the Pentagon at around 8:30 a.m. ET and arrived at the White House to meet the president at 9:40 a.m.

Obama was expected to make an announcement on McChrystal's future soon after their face-to-face.

"I think it's clear that the article in which he and his team appeared ... showed poor judgment," the president said Tuesday at the close of an unrelated Cabinet meeting. "But I also want to make sure that I talk to him directly before I make any final decisions."

Afghan President Hamid Karzai expressed his confidence in McChrystal during a video conference Tuesday night with Obama, Karzai spokesman Waheed Omar said Wednesday in Kabul.

"We hope there is not a change of leadership of the international forces here in Afghanistan and that we continue to partner with Gen. McChrystal," Omar told reporters.

Extraordinary challenge to White House
In a Rolling Stone magazine article, McChrystal didn't criticize Obama himself but called the period last fall when the president was deciding whether to approve more troops "painful" and said Obama appeared ready to hand him an "unsellable" position.

   


McChrystal also said he was "betrayed" by Ambassador Karl Eikenberry, the man the White House chose to be his diplomatic partner in Afghanistan. He accused Eikenberry of raising doubts about Karzai only to give himself cover in case the U.S. effort failed. "Now, if we fail, they can say 'I told you so,'" McChrystal told the magazine. And he was quoted mocking Vice President Joe Biden.

If not insubordination, the remarks — as well as even sharper commentary about Obama and his White House from several in McChrystal's inner circle — were at least an indirect and extraordinary challenge and one that consumed Washington on Tuesday. The capital hasn't seen a similar public contretemps between a president and a top wartime commander since Harry Truman stripped Gen. Douglas MacArthur of his command more than a half-century ago after disagreements over Korean War strategy.

Notably, neither McChrystal nor his team questioned the accuracy of the story or the quotes in it. McChrystal issued an apology.

Remarkably revealing reaction
Military leaders rarely challenge their commanders in chief publicly. When they do, consequences tend to be more severe than a scolding.

Indeed, the presidential spokesman's prepared reaction to the article was remarkably revealing, even for the normally coded language of Washington. Press secretary Robert Gibbs repeatedly declined to say McChrystal's job was safe, and questioned whether McChrystal is "capable and mature enough" to lead the war.

"Our efforts in Afghanistan are bigger than one person," Gibbs told reporters, a formulation typically used when one person is about to leave.

Gates, for his part, said in a statement Tuesday that McChrystal had made "a significant mistake."

A senior U.S. military official in Afghanistan told The Associated Press that McChrystal — who had not spoken with Obama on the matter before Wednesday — has been given no indication that he'll be fired but no assurance he won't be. The official spoke on condition of anonymity to describe internal discussions between Washington and the general's office in Kabul.

Obama raised the issue of McChrystal's future in a phone call with British Prime Minister David Cameron on Tuesday night, Cameron's office said Wednesday without disclosing what was said. Britain has about 10,000 troops in Afghanistan, the largest international force after the United States.


McChrystal was viewed as a visionary with the guts and smarts to turn around the beleaguered, 8-year-old Afghanistan war when he was chosen to take over last year.


But despite his military achievements, he has a history of making waves. This is not his first brush with Obama's anger. Last fall, the president scolded McChrystal for speaking too bluntly about his desire for more troops.

Wisconsin Democratic Rep. David Obey, chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, called for McChrystal to resign. Sen. John McCain, the top Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, was among three prominent Republican senators to criticize the general and say a decision about his future should rest with Obama.

Several names circulated among Pentagon and Capitol Hill aides as potential successors, including Gen. James Mattis, Joint Forces Command chief; Lt. Gen. John Allen, the No. 2 at U.S. Central Command; Lt. Gen. David Rodriguez, McChrystal's No. 2 in Afghanistan; Gen. Martin Dempsey, commander of the Army Training and Doctrine Command; and Adm. James Stavridis, the top NATO commander in Europe.

Military officials, speaking on condition of anonymity ahead of the White House meeting, said the administration had not reached out to possible successors but might do so Wednesday.
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I think he is guilty but is not brave enough to take part in starting WWIII for his NWO masters.

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Yes, what exactly are they all planning behind all this bullshit.  You couldn't trust eithre one of these aholes (McChrystal, Soetoro) any farther than you could frickin' throw em.

Nothing good is going to come of this.  That is for sure.

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There is but one war left to fight in Pakistan and Afghanistan by the al CIAduh Mafia's Obama bin Soetero:

http://www.stonesintoschools.com/

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I think he is guilty but is not brave enough to take part in starting WWIII for his NWO masters.

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100%!

He is a neo-con, possibly a psychopath. BUT HE IS NOT SUICIDAL! He knows an attack on Iran is auto-genocidal. He also seems to be aware that the Bilderberg controlled contractors running the theater of warfare is counter-productive.
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Maybe he's seen the light and now is a believer in the TRUTH?????




 :D Sorry...couldn't keep a straight face on this one..;)

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To me, it is possible that as a career military man, and a commander of an armed conflict, he really detests the policy of Obama, resents that policy. And he would rather fall on his sword and tell the world what he thinks of the "commander of pacification and apologies" than take orders from a man who cannot even have the honor to look him in the eye.
Hi G.
McChrystal is not out of the loop, he is one informed, knowelgable, insider, -player.
Just my oppnion G, these men are well aware that these wars are a deception, they have known it from the getgo.
Please take a moment and give this a look, I was under this mans command in nam, he was the son of (WWII G. patton), a colonel commanding the 11th armored cav. This is a peek into the hearts and mind of a sold out career man.
I am not attemtping to say all are in this category, however given the present day abomination this may enlighten those who feel that the big dogs are strictly doing their patriotic chore.
Pattons prayer.
God, our Heavenly Father, hear our prayer. We acknowledge our shortcomings and ask thy help in being better soldiers for thee. Grant us, O Lord, those things we need to do they work more effectively. Give us this day a gun that will fire ten thousands rounds a second, a napalm that will burn for a week. Help us to bring death and destruction wherever we go, for we do it in thy name and therefore it is meet and just. We thank thee for this war, fully mindful that, while it is not the best of all wars, it is better than no war at all. We remember that Christ said "I come not to send peace, but a sword," and we pledge ourselves in all our works to be like Him. Forget not the least of thy children as they hide from us in the jungles; bring them under our merciful hand that we may end their suffering. In all things, O God, assist us, for we do our noble work in the knowledge that only with they help can we avoid the catastrophe of peace that threatens us ever. All of which we ask in the name of thy son, George Patton. Amen.
Ok, Patton read this before leaving the unit, its called the Blackhorse prayer, among the high echelon gathered was *General Creighton Abrams, they all cheered this so called prayer. This may give some a glimpse into the minds of the greater portion of those in command.

What lines have been crossed. My take is each and every one beggining with the oath to uphold the constitution.
To defend this nation, not to illegaly invade foriegn soveriegn nation under false pretences, the genocide of civilians, torture.. I am sincerely beleive that it was the duty of each and every officer from the full birds up to the generals to call the regime on its methods even if that was to include a coop.

G, if the military had remained in a defense mode as it was intended to be, protection of this nation from foriegn and domestic enemys, to uphold the constitution, I assure you i would have remained in the boots. Much to my chigrin that is not the case. there is no excuse whatsoever to condone the brass for their part in this abomination. thats it!


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Maybe he's seen the light and now is a believer in the TRUTH?????




 :D Sorry...couldn't keep a straight face on this one..;)


I tell you one thing for sure, I would love to hear AJ interview him.
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Hi G.
McChrystal is not out of the loop, he is one informed, knowelgable, insider, -player.
Just my oppnion G, these men are well aware that these wars are a deception, they have known it from the getgo.
Please take a moment and give this a look, I was under this mans command in nam, he was the son of (WWII G. patton), a colonel commanding the 11th armored cav. This is a peek into the hearts and mind of a sold out career man.
I am not attemtping to say all are in this category, however given the present day abomination this may enlighten those who feel that the big dogs are strictly doing their patriotic chore.
Pattons prayer.
God, our Heavenly Father, hear our prayer. We acknowledge our shortcomings and ask thy help in being better soldiers for thee. Grant us, O Lord, those things we need to do they work more effectively. Give us this day a gun that will fire ten thousands rounds a second, a napalm that will burn for a week. Help us to bring death and destruction wherever we go, for we do it in thy name and therefore it is meet and just. We thank thee for this war, fully mindful that, while it is not the best of all wars, it is better than no war at all. We remember that Christ said "I come not to send peace, but a sword," and we pledge ourselves in all our works to be like Him. Forget not the least of thy children as they hide from us in the jungles; bring them under our merciful hand that we may end their suffering. In all things, O God, assist us, for we do our noble work in the knowledge that only with they help can we avoid the catastrophe of peace that threatens us ever. All of which we ask in the name of thy son, George Patton. Amen.
Ok, Patton read this before leaving the unit, its called the Blackhorse prayer, among the high echelon gathered was *General Creighton Abrams, they all cheered this so called prayer. This may give some a glimpse into the minds of the greater portion of those in command.

What lines have been crossed. My take is each and every one beggining with the oath to uphold the constitution.
To defend this nation, not to illegaly invade foriegn soveriegn nation under false pretences, the genocide of civilians, torture.. I am sincerely beleive that it was the duty of each and every officer from the full birds up to the generals to call the regime on its methods even if that was to include a coop.

G, if the military had remained in a defense mode as it was intended to be, protection of this nation from foriegn and domestic enemys, to uphold the constitution, I assure you i would have remained in the boots. Much to my chigrin that is not the case. there is no excuse whatsoever to condone the brass for their part in this abomination. thats it!



Thanks for the info Chris.  Well said.  
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Hi G.
McChrystal is not out of the loop, he is one informed, knowelgable, insider, -player.
Just my oppnion G, these men are well aware that these wars are a deception, they have known it from the getgo.
Please take a moment and give this a look, I was under this mans command in nam, he was the son of (WWII G. patton), a colonel commanding the 11th armored cav. This is a peek into the hearts and mind of a sold out career man.
I am not attemtping to say all are in this category, however given the present day abomination this may enlighten those who feel that the big dogs are strictly doing their patriotic chore.
Pattons prayer.
God, our Heavenly Father, hear our prayer. We acknowledge our shortcomings and ask thy help in being better soldiers for thee. Grant us, O Lord, those things we need to do they work more effectively. Give us this day a gun that will fire ten thousands rounds a second, a napalm that will burn for a week. Help us to bring death and destruction wherever we go, for we do it in thy name and therefore it is meet and just. We thank thee for this war, fully mindful that, while it is not the best of all wars, it is better than no war at all. We remember that Christ said "I come not to send peace, but a sword," and we pledge ourselves in all our works to be like Him. Forget not the least of thy children as they hide from us in the jungles; bring them under our merciful hand that we may end their suffering. In all things, O God, assist us, for we do our noble work in the knowledge that only with they help can we avoid the catastrophe of peace that threatens us ever. All of which we ask in the name of thy son, George Patton. Amen.
Ok, Patton read this before leaving the unit, its called the Blackhorse prayer, among the high echelon gathered was *General Creighton Abrams, they all cheered this so called prayer. This may give some a glimpse into the minds of the greater portion of those in command.

What lines have been crossed. My take is each and every one beggining with the oath to uphold the constitution.
To defend this nation, not to illegaly invade foriegn soveriegn nation under false pretences, the genocide of civilians, torture.. I am sincerely beleive that it was the duty of each and every officer from the full birds up to the generals to call the regime on its methods even if that was to include a coop.

G, if the military had remained in a defense mode as it was intended to be, protection of this nation from foriegn and domestic enemys, to uphold the constitution, I assure you i would have remained in the boots. Much to my chigrin that is not the case. there is no excuse whatsoever to condone the brass for their part in this abomination. thats it!



A new level of knowledge, thanks!
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Yes Chris... very well summed up.  These men know who they work for.  There's no waking up at McChrystal's level.

Bush, Obama or whomever... they don't matter.  C'mon people, keep your heads in the game.  Something isn't right and we're being setup by these false fights.

I smell heavy draft talks coming soon... for one thing.
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Bet he's replaced by Stavridis - NATO Commander in Europe. He's one of the men mentioned to replace McChrystal.

I wouldn't blame AJ for interviewing him.  That's what journalists do.  But, I wouldn't expect this guy to really be honest with him either.

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Bet he's replaced by Stavridis - NATO Commander in Europe. He's one of the men mentioned to replace McChrystal.

I wouldn't blame AJ for interviewing him.  That's what journalists do.  But, I wouldn't expect this guy to really be honest with him either.

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James G. Stavridis
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Admiral James G. Stavridis, USN, (born 1955), is the current Commander, U.S. European Command (USEUCOM) and NATO's Supreme Allied Commander Europe (SACEUR). He is the first Navy officer to become USEUCOM's and SACEUR's combatant commander.[2] He previously served as Commander, U.S. Southern Command from October 19, 2006 to June 25, 2009. He assumed his current assignments on June 30, 2009 (USEUCOM) and July 2, 2009 respectively (SACEUR). He holds various decorations and awards, including two awards of the Defense Distinguished Service Medal, the Defense Superior Service Medal and five awards of the Legion of Merit.

Career

Stavridis is a 1976 distinguished graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy and a native of south Florida. He is a career surface warfare officer and served at sea in carriers, cruisers, and destroyers. Stavridis commanded destroyer, USS Barry (DDG-52) from 1993–1995, completing deployments to Haiti, Bosnia, and the Persian Gulf. Barry won the Battenberg Cup as the top ship in the Atlantic Fleet under his command. In 1998, he commanded Destroyer Squadron 21 and deployed to the Persian Gulf in 1998, winning the Navy League’s John Paul Jones Award for Inspirational Leadership. From 2002-2004, Stavridis commanded Enterprise Carrier Strike Group, conducting combat operations in the Persian Gulf in support of both Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom. Afterwards, VADM Stavridis served as senior military assistant to the Secretary of Defense. On October 19, 2006, he became the first Navy Commanding Officer of the U.S. Southern Command in Miami, FL.

Ashore, he served as a strategic and long range planner on the staffs of the Chief of Naval Operations and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. At the start of the "Global War on Terror", he was selected as the Director of the Navy Operations Group, Deep Blue. He has also served as the executive assistant to the Secretary of the Navy and the senior military assistant to the Secretary of Defense.

Stavridis earned a PhD and MALD from The Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University in International Relations in 1984, where he won the Gullion Prize as outstanding student. He is also a 1992 distinguished graduate of the National War College. He frequently publishes his thoughts, opinions and analyses at myriad publications, including the Western Hemisphere policy publication Americas Quarterly and the United States Naval Institute's blog.
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