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Cornell doctor sliced young girls’ genitals; Tested girls as young as six with vibrator, columnist says
http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0617/doctor-removes-partial-clitorises-tests-6yearolds-vibrator/
By David Edwards
Thursday, June 17th, 2010 -- 3:04 pm


A Cornell doctor is performing partial clitoris removal on young girls and then using a vibrator to test their sensation in follow-up tests, a shocking column by syndicated columnist Dan Savage asserted Wednesday.

Dr. Dix P. Poppas has been performing the procedure on girls older than five for several years, according to 2007 paper (PDF) documenting the research. The doctor and patients' parents allegedly believe that the girls' clitorises are too large and create too much sensation.

Doctors Alice Dreger and Ellen K. Feder have criticized the practice for almost ten years.

Critics in medicine, bioethics, and patient advocacy have questioned the surgery’s necessity, safety, and efficacy. We still know of no evidence that a large clitoris increases psychological risk (so is the surgery even necessary?), and we do know of substantial anecdotal evidence that it does not increase risk. Importantly, there also seems to be evidence that clitoroplasties performed in infancy do increase risk – of harm to physical and sexual functioning, as well as psychosocial harm.

Dan Savage called the practice genital mutilation in a Wednesday column titled "Female Genital Mutilation at Cornell University."
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There's lots to be outraged about here: there's nothing wrong with these girls and their healthy, functional-if-larger-than-average clitorises; there's no need to operate on these girls; and surgically altering a girl's clitoris because it's "too big" has been found to do lasting physical and psychological harm.

While many have been aware of the procedure, called "Nerve Sparing Ventral Clitoroplasty," for years, Poppas is now alarming many experts with new details of a follow-up exam. Dreger and Feder recently brought to light the practice of stimulating the young girls' clitorises with a vibrator to test the efficacy of the partial clitoris removal.

Here more specifically is, apparently, what is happening: At annual visits after the surgery, while a parent watches, Poppas touches the daughter’s surgically shortened clitoris with a cotton-tip applicator and/or with a “vibratory device,” and the girl is asked to report to Poppas how strongly she feels him touching her clitoris. Using the vibrator, he also touches her on her inner thigh, her labia minora, and the introitus of her vagina, asking her to report, on a scale of 0 (no sensation) to 5 (maximum), how strongly she feels the touch. Yang, Felsen, and Poppas also report a “capillary perfusion testing,” which means a physician or nurse pushes a finger nail on the girl’s clitoris to see if the blood goes away and comes back, a sign of healthy tissue. Poppas has indicated in this article and elsewhere that ideally he seeks to conduct annual exams with these girls. He intends to chart the development of their sexual sensation over time.

Writing in an article for Psychology Today, Dreger suspected that the procedure and the follow-up exams were sure to cause more harm than good.

Many of us happen to think "normal" sexual development is actually likely to be thwarted by having parts of your genitals taken away without your consent, and thwarted by follow-up exams like the ones we are describing. Ellen and I have gotten to know hundreds of adults born with sex anomalies who went through these medical scenes growing up. Many have told us that the genital displays involved in the follow-up exams were more traumatic than any other part of the experience. Indeed, when I once asked a group of women with androgen insensitivity syndrome what they wanted me to work on primarily in my advocacy work, they said stopping the exams, particularly those in which med students, residents, and fellows parade through to check out the surgeon's handiwork.

The follow-up exam comes "very close to straight-up molestation," wrote conservative blogger Liz Mair.

"In fact, it seems to me that this is the kind of thing that a) Cornell University should not be tolerating, as a matter of practice and b) may well be worthy of actually legislating on, given the recent discussion of the American Academy of Pediatrics signing off on what amounts to better-branded female genital mutilation where needed to satisfy certain cultural dictates," said Mair.

"Cornell University needs to put a stop to this, immediately. If it is going on elsewhere, those cutting the checks wherever 'elsewhere' may be need to put a stop to it, also. This is, at a minimum, battery, and at worst, it's child abuse. Either way, it's intolerable," she concluded.



Obama-care? More Like Cornell-care
http://cornellsun.com/section/opinion/content/2010/03/30/obama-care-more-cornell-care
March 30, 2010
By David Murdter

In the days following the passage of health care reform, a few of my friends asked me how the bill would affect them. Many were wondering: What does this mean for the average college student? Well, if you go to Cornell, not much.


All of us are, in some capacity, familiar with Cornell’s SHIP, or Student Health Insurance Plan. Either we’re enrolled in it, or we freaked out when we saw a $1500 balance on our bursar because we forgot to send in the waiver. Just to recap, though: Cornell’s SHIP mandates that all students have quality health insurance. A student can be covered by his or her own insurance, provided the company is licensed to practice in the U.S, offers coverage in Ithaca, covers mental health care, has a maximum benefit of at least $500,000 per year, lasts throughout one’s tenure as a student and covers pre-existing conditions. Faulting that, students buy into a policy sponsored by Cornell through Aetna.

The program is, quite simply, a mandate. Have health insurance? Good. Don’t have it? Buy ours. Can’t afford it? Apply for financial aid.

To those, then, who espouse apocalyptic visions of a world post-health care reform, I suggest you look no further than Cornell to dispel your fears. To those who argue that mandates to purchase health insurance are the product of a government strong-arming its will onto the people, look to us: We’re not oppressed, we’re healthy.

Cornell’s system isn’t perfectly analogous to what’s been passed by the federal government, but there are some notable parallels. The bill mandates that by 2014, all individuals have health insurance. It provides exchanges through which small businesses and low-income individuals and families can increase their bargaining power and get lower cost health coverage. Perhaps most importantly, it provides certain tax incentives and subsidies for eligible low-income individuals and families to purchase insurance on the exchanges.

In truth, the health care bill is something of a national effort to create what we as Cornell students (like students at many other universities) already have: Health insurance for those who can afford it, and help for those who can’t.

There have also been fears about what the health care bill would do for those who already have coverage. In reality, the nature of one’s health insurance won’t change tremendously; however, no longer will insurance companies be able to rob people of much needed coverage when they are most vulnerable. Insurance companies won’t be able to deny coverage because of pre-existing conditions. They won’t be able to drop your coverage once you get sick. For those with rather expensive or recurring illnesses, the bill removes the cap on lifetime benefits, which would otherwise leave people with chronic or terminal illnesses high and dry. Lastly, here’s an excellent tidbit for us college students: We’ll be able to remain on our parent’s coverage until age 26.

Much of the fear regarding the passage of health care reform has been the product of an unfortunate and unwarranted misconstruction of the legislation: That the whole effort is some sort of government takeover of health care. All of the major components of the bill are efforts to reform private insurance markets; it relies heavily on empowering the consumer –– through increased access and protections –– to coax insurance companies into lowering costs. This doesn’t happen through price controls or massive government intervention; it happens through the marketplace.

Just as Cornell doesn’t tell us what type of coverage to have, what doctors to see, when we can or cannot have care or what to do with Grandma, this bill doesn’t place any barrier between you and your medical care. What it does do is give 32 million people proper medical care where before they had none.

I imagine that once the dust settles from this long, arduous and often outright-ridiculous debate, people will be able to see clearly what this legislation is: A well thought out market-driven solution to the persistent lack of health care coverage among millions of Americans, coupled with the persistent growth of health care costs. Time will make obvious the absurdity of Revelations-like visions of government tyranny and socialism. Meanwhile, we Cornell students should rest assured, knowing that our future won’t be much different from our present: Not only will we continue to have coverage, but it will be consistent, complete and most likely less expensive.



Health Care Victory: Shaping the Future of the American Dream
Mar 21, 2010 ... Cornell's Liberal News and Opinion - President Obama signs the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act ... Pointing to a poll released by Quinnipiac University, ... Published with support from Campus Progress/Center for American Progress (online at campusprogress.org) ...
www.rso.cornell.edu/progressive/articles.php?id=174

Cornell Chronicle: Conference examines health care reform
Apr 5, 2010 ... The ILR School, Weill Cornell Medical College and several domestic ... critical phase of President Obama's health care reform initiatives. ...
www.news.cornell.edu/stories/April10/NYCHealthConf.html

Health Care Reform: Cure for an Ailing System?
Apr 16, 2010 ... lead a discussion and in-depth analysis of the Obama health care reform bill. ... This year's Cornell Alumni Leadership Conference, held Jan. ... Cornell United Religious Work; Cornell University Library ...
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Dix P. Poppas, M.D.
http://www.cornellurology.com/faculty/poppas.html

Dix P. Poppas, M.D. is Chief of Pediatric Urology at Children's Hospital of New York Presbyterian - Weill Medical College of Cornell University. He is the Richard Rodgers Associate Professor of Pediatric Urology in the James Buchanan Brady Department of Urology at Weill Medical College. Dr. Poppas holds joint appointments as Associate Professor of Pediatrics and Associate Professor of Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery at Weill Medical College. His practice is limited to pediatric urology with special interest in genital reconstruction, laparoscopic and robotic surgery, intersex disorders and minimally invasive procedures for treating vesicoureteral reflux. Dr. Poppas has extensive experience in minimally invasive surgery and pediatric laparoscopy. He was chosen as one of the "Top One Hundred Minimally Invasive Surgeons in New York" and was the only pediatric urologist to be selected.

He serves as co-director of the Laboratory for Minimally Invasive Urologic Surgery where his efforts are focused on developing advanced laparoscopic and Robotic surgical techniques for tissue reconstruction using novel tissue sealants to replace sutures and staples during surgery, as well as investigating the mechanisms and potential treatments for inhibiting and reversing fibrosis in the obstructed kidney using antibodies and gene therapy strategies.

Dr. Poppas is a diplomate of The American Board of Urology, Fellow of the American Academy of Pediatrics and Fellow of the American College of Surgeons. He has been awarded The E. Darracott Vaughan Young Investigator Award by the National Kidney Foundation, The Edwin Beer Award of The New York Academy of Medicine, and was selected as an American Foundation for Urologic Disease/National Kidney Foundation Research Scholar.
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I cannot even cut and paste this shit, just go to the f**king link to be grossed the hell out:

http://blogtown.portlandmercury.com/BlogtownPDX/archives/2010/06/17/female-genital-mutilation-at-cornell-university

These people are beyond insane. This will be your 6 year old girls' urologist using CISCO and GE's Healthcare digital exam rooms with some minimum wage flunkie doing actual procedures. imagine all the crap we do not know about.
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So apparently, the follow up exams where the Doctor and nurses take turns raping the 6 year old girls to see if they "feel" the rape are a big hit at Cornell for the resident physicians, students and fellows:

"med students, residents, and fellows parade through to check out the surgeon's handiwork."

WHY AREN'T THEY IN JAIL?

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Bad Vibrations
Human Bodies
http://www.thehastingscenter.org/Bioethicsforum/Post.aspx?id=4730&blogid=140
Alice Dreger and Ellen K. Feder, 06/16/2010
 

In “The Rhetoric of Dehumanization: An Analysis of Medical Reports of the Tuskegee Syphilis Project,” Martha Solomon brilliantly demonstrates how the project’s researchers hid their work in plain sight. Specifically, Solomon used the published reports of the Tuskegee syphilis study – which involved medical professionals actively withholding medicines from black men with syphilis for four decades – to show how the dehumanizing, scientized language of modern medicine “can obscure and deemphasize any ethical, non-scientific perspective.”

Solomon’s insights come to mind as we read the 2007 Journal of Urology paper, “Nerve Sparing Ventral Clitoroplasty: Analysis of Clitoral Sensitivity and Viability” by Jennifer Yang, Diane Felsen, and Dix P. Poppas. Writing in the typically dry, quantifying language of modern medicine, the authors report why they believe Poppas, a pediatric urologist at New York Presbyterian Hospital, Weill Medical College of Cornell University, has left a group of girls still able to have sexual sensation after he has removed parts of the girls’ clitorises. With parental consent, these girls’ clitorises have been cut down in size after the physician deemed these clitorises too big.

For over a decade, many people (including us) have criticized this surgical practice. Critics in medicine, bioethics, and patient advocacy have questioned the surgery’s necessity, safety, and efficacy. We still know of no evidence that a large clitoris increases psychological risk (so is the surgery even necessary?), and we do know of substantial anecdotal evidence that it does not increase risk. Importantly, there also seems to be evidence that clitoroplasties performed in infancy do increase risk – of harm to physical and sexual functioning, as well as psychosocial harm.

But we are not writing today to again bring attention to the surgeries themselves. Rather, we are writing to express our shock and concern over the follow-up examination techniques described in the 2007 article by Yang, Felsen, and Poppas. Indeed, when a colleague first alerted us to these follow-up exams – which involve Poppas stimulating the girls’ clitorises with vibrators while the girls, aged six and older, are conscious – we were so stunned that we did not believe it until we looked up his publications ourselves.

Here more specifically is, apparently, what is happening: At annual visits after the surgery, while a parent watches, Poppas touches the daughter’s surgically shortened clitoris with a cotton-tip applicator and/or with a “vibratory device,” and the girl is asked to report to Poppas how strongly she feels him touching her clitoris. Using the vibrator, he also touches her on her inner thigh, her labia minora, and the introitus of her vagina, asking her to report, on a scale of 0 (no sensation) to 5 (maximum), how strongly she feels the touch. Yang, Felsen, and Poppas also report a “capillary perfusion testing,” which means a physician or nurse pushes a finger nail on the girl’s clitoris to see if the blood goes away and comes back, a sign of healthy tissue. Poppas has indicated in this article and elsewhere that ideally he seeks to conduct annual exams with these girls. He intends to chart the development of their sexual sensation over time.

Yang, a pediatric urologist, and Felsen, a pharmacologist, reported in e-mail messages to Feder that they did not participate in the follow-up “clitoral sensory testing” described in the article, but were concerned only with the analysis of the data collected during the post-operative evaluations. Yang indicated that all testing was conducted by Poppas and his nurse practitioner. Poppas told Feder by email that a family member is in the room when the touching takes place.

Although we have tried, we have been unable to locate any other pediatric urologist who uses these techniques. Indeed, we doubt many would, because we think most would – as we do – find this technique to be impossible to justify as being in these girls’ best interests. We understand that these tests might produce generalized knowledge that shows whether Poppas’s techniques are better than some other surgeons’, but it isn’t clear to us how this kind of genital touching post-operatively is in individual patients’ best interests. If the testing shows a girl has lost sensation through the surgery, her lost clitoral tissue cannot be put back. However, the tests would seem to expose the girls to significant risk of psychological harm.

In the course of our inquiries, made in preparation for this publication, nearly all clinicians to whom we described Poppas’s “clitoral sensory testing and vibratory sensory testing” practices thought them so outrageous that they told us we must have the facts wrong. When we showed them the 2007 article, their disbelief ceased, but they then seemed to become as agitated as we were. At an international conference two weeks ago, when Dreger told Ken Zucker, a psychologist at the Hospital for Sick Children in Toronto and member of the clinical establishment, about this, Zucker said that we could quote him as saying this: “Applying a vibrator to a six-year-old girl’s surgically feminized clitoris is developmentally inappropriate.” We couldn’t find a clinician who disagreed with Zucker.

Yang, Felsen, and Poppas describe the girls “sensory tested” as being older than five. They are, therefore, old enough to remember being asked to lie back, be touched with the vibrator, and report on whether they can still feel sensation. They may also be able to remember their emotions and the physical sensations they experienced. Their parents’ participation may also figure in these memories. We think therefore that most reasonable people will agree with Zucker that Poppas’s techniques are “developmentally inappropriate.”

What is Poppas thinking? So far as we can tell, from published articles, presentations to parents, and his communications with Feder, he thinks he is responding to critics of genital surgery, like us, and thus reassuring parents that everything is going to be fine. Notably, though, there is a lack of control data for most of the patients described, meaning that we don’t know what sensation these girls might have had without the surgeries, nor do we know what a “normal” level of sensation is at these ages. (We can’t imagine any sane parent giving up his or her daughter to be the control.) We also don’t know that what the surgically altered girls feel in childhood will map onto their adult sexual lives. And we don’t know how Poppas’s tests are going to affect their psychosocial development.

And what about institutional ethics oversight in this case? Yang, Felsen, and Poppas report IRB approval for retrospective chart review, but apparently have no IRB approval for the post-op “sensory testing.” We asked for a read on this from Anne Tamar-Mattis, the attorney who runs Advocates for Informed Choice, who has joined with us in formally expressing concerns about another medical procedure aimed at preventing the prenatal formation of ambiguous genitalia (and maybe also preventing the development of tomboyism, aggressiveness, and lesbianism in girls). Tamar-Mattis replied:

“If Dr. Poppas is using medical vibratory devices on girls' genitals in order to gather data for his published studies (for example, to show others that his surgeries preserve function), rather than solely for the girls' treatment, then he is conducting research. Legal and ethical standards require oversight by an institutional review board (IRB) when doctors are conducting medical tests for research purposes, in order to protect the rights of human subjects. If an IRB approved the use of ‘vibratory devices’ on young girls, I would want to know how they justified exposing those girls to the risk of psychological harm. I would also want to know if the girls and their parents knew they could refuse to participate, and if the parents understood about the psychological risks involved in these tests.”

Tamar-Mattis added that she is “also concerned about whether parents who take their daughters with CAH (congenital adrenal hyperplasia) to Cornell for genital surgery are being given full information about the risks and unknowns of these surgeries.” Indeed, the Web site for the Division of Pediatric Urology at Weill Cornell Medical College, where Dix Poppas serves as chief, reports that disagreement about infant genital surgery and its putative necessity is in the past; the site does not acknowledge that the practice remains controversial among specialist clinicians as well as patient advocates who have called for reform over the last 15 years.

 Parents reading the Cornell Web site are also not informed that there is no evidence that having a big clitoris puts a girl at psychosocial risk. On the contrary, the Web site assures parents that plastic surgery performed between three and six months of age “is recommended because female patients are able to undergo a more natural psychological and sexual development.”

 As Tamar-Mattis points out, the Web site also seems to promise that girls with CAH who undergo genital surgery at Cornell will have normal sexual function. It says, “Our approach to clitoroplasty leaves the patient with intact clitoral sensation, painless sexual arousal, a viable and sensate glans clitoris, and appropriate erectile function during sexual arousal.”

Risks of nerve damage, incontinence, urinary tract infections, inability to experience orgasm, or many other problems – including psychosocial problems – associated with genital surgery and follow-up receive no mention. According to Tamar-Mattis, “Parents who find out about these risks only after the fact may be very unhappy, and might even have legal claims against the surgeon and the hospital.”

In a recent conversation about this matter with Janet Green, a longtime patient advocate for girls and women with CAH and atypical genitalia, Green captured our own sense of frustration: “I had hoped this generation of parents would finally be beyond where the last several generations had been – wondering what they had consented to, what they had done to their children, thinking doctors always know best.”

Alice Dreger is Professor of Clinical Medical Humanities and Bioethics at Northwestern University’s Feinberg School of Medicine. Ellen K. Feder is Associate Professor and Acting Chair in the Department of Philosophy and Religion at American University.
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Can You Hear Us Now?
http://www.psychologytoday.com/print/44129
By Alice Dreger
Created Jun 16 2010 - 10:45am

In a brief article entitled "Bad Vibrations" [1] just posted at the Hastings Center's Bioethics Forum [2], my colleague Ellen Feder and I express our shock over the follow-up techniques being used by pediatric urologist Dix Poppas at Weill Medical College of Cornell University on girls whose clitorises Poppas has cut down in size.

There's no point in my repeating here what we say at Bioethics Forum. Instead, I want to use this space to answer some questions I'm already getting from people about this scene.

Poppas says he's using a "nerve-sparing" technique. How confident are we this will make a difference in terms of saving these girls from the sexual dysfunction (and pain) that many in previous generations have suffered following childhood surgeries designed to make their clits look more petite? Not that confident, frankly.

We're glad Poppas cares about function. But if he really cared about maximizing these girls' function, he would not be doing surgery on their healthy clitorises. To quote from a follow-up study published in the Lancet [3], "Although surgery has advanced in many ways, this is not a valid reason for complacency. In this study surgery was done 8-40 years ago, and most individuals had undergone clitorectomy [complete removal of the visible clitoris]. Of the three sexually active participants who had undergone the newer technique of nerve-sparing clitoral reduction, however, two had the worse possible score for orgasm difficulties."

Moreover, "nerve-sparing" techniques from other surgeries also make us pessimistic. "Nerve-sparing" in prostate surgeries has not turned out to dramatically improve rates of continence and sexual potency following prostatectomy. And you know what? To shorten these clitorises, Poppas is saving the glans (tip) but cutting out parts of the shaft. Bo Laurent has pointed out that Masters and Johnsons showed that many women masturbate by rubbing the shafts of their clitorises. (Think about it: the clit is the homologue of the penis. How do men masturbate?) Many women seem to find their clitoral glans almost too sensitive. Poppas's patients are loosing the option of touching parts of their shafts, because he's throwing them out (after the cut-away parts have been sent to pathology to see if he accidentally took out a nerve).

One time I asked a surgeon who does these surgeries if he had any idea how women actually reach orgasm. What did he actually know, scientifically, about the functional physiology of the adult clitoris? He looked at me blankly, and then said, "But we're working on children." As if they were never going to grow up.

Why are they doing that fingernail pressure test? To show the clitoris is still fully alive after surgery. In the past, some girls' clitorises necrosed (died) after these clitoroplasties. Remember: these are elective surgeries done because a clitoris gets labeled "too big" by an adult looking at the child's genitals.

What does the vibrator consist of? These are not like big phallic dildos. They're more like little buzzers, more like the kind of tiny little travel vibrator you can slip past the TSA without major embarrassment on the security line. ("Whose vibrator is this?") But they're still vibrators, and he's still purposely stimulating these girls' clitorises to prove his surgical technique is good.

By the way, when Janet Green asked Poppas about these vibrators at a meeting, he cut her off and insisted she use the term "medical vibratory device." This led to my joking to my mate, "What's the difference between the vibrator in my bedside table and a medical vibratory device? A hospital billing code." I guess size also matters to some. (To me, it's not the size, it's the settings.)

What's with the cotton-tip applicator (Q-tip) tests? Yeah, what is up with those? That kind of test is so ridiculously subjective that it is rather absurd to use it as "scientific" proof of anything. You can't guarantee the Q-tip user is applying the same pressure every time. On top of that, many of us feel like it's actually a bit more creepy than the vibrator. I just would not want my daughter having the memory of having her thigh, her vagina, her labia minora, and her clitoris stroked with a Q-tip while she's asked if she can feel the doctor touching her. ("Can you feel me now?") And as a parent, I can't imagine ever looking at a Q-tip the same way again.

So why the heck do Poppas and other surgeons do these surgeries? They believe it is necessary to ensure "normal" sexual development. If you look historically, there's a whole lotta heterosexism and homophobia behind this clinical model. I traced that in my first book, Hermaphrodites and the Medical Invention of Sex [4], and in my very first article [5] for the Hastings Center. I'm joined [6] by lots [7] of other [8] scholars [8] showing the same [9].

Many of us happen to think "normal" sexual development is actually likely to be thwarted by having parts of your genitals taken away without your consent, and thwarted by follow-up exams like the ones we are describing. Ellen and I have gotten to know hundreds of adults born with sex anomalies who went through these medical scenes growing up. Many have told us that the genital displays involved in the follow-up exams were more traumatic than any other part of the experience. Indeed, when I once asked a group of women with androgen insensitivity syndrome what they wanted me to work on primarily in my advocacy work [10], they said stopping the exams, particularly those in which med students, residents, and fellows parade through to check out the surgeon's handiwork.

When I asked Ellen what she wanted me to be sure to cover in this blog, she answered, "I think the really critical thing is the psychological impact, and how much we don't know about that. We just don't know what parents are and aren't told, and it looks like in so many of these cases, the parents have no access to mental health professionals who can calmly and compassionately spend the weeks and months it takes to help parents think about the long-term issues and the evidence for and against various options."

Ellen (who, like me, is a mother) also added that parents [11] tend to do whatever pediatricians tell them is necessary, because they're scared to "withhold" a medical treatment offered for their children. The parents in Poppas's clinic may well not know their children are essentially being experimented upon.

How come the article says Poppas had IRB (ethics oversight) approval and we suggest he probably didn't? Because what he has approval for is retrospective chart review, a harmless little look back at what he recorded in the charts as having happened to his patients. What he didn't do was to get approval in advance for the "clitoral sensory testing" that he was writing down in the chart and then used to produce the systematic and generalized conclusions about his technique. This may sound like a technicality. It isn't. If he had sought IRB approval for the "sensory testing," the ethics staff might have sat up and asked him what the heck he thought he was doing to these girls, and they would have tried to make sure the parents were informed about the unknowns and risks, and the girls could have refused to participate.

What's going to be Poppas's and his colleagues' response to our writing on this? I anticipate the usual, where they reassure the press that this is medical so it is all OK. They'll say that these girls have a tragic deformity and that parents have the right to choose (but they won't mention that that choice is not being fully informed by the actual evidence). They'll paint us as crazy radicals, and won't mention that, in fact, the medical profession has been moving towards our position [12] about holding off on clitoral surgeries.

Finally, do we really think this is like what happened in the Tuskegee Syphilis Study? Yup. A population gets marked as being not normal sexually, and then ends up as research fodder with sub-standard ethics oversight, without anyone even telling them they're research fodder. The docs publish years of follow-up studies in medical journals, and their colleagues, including the medical journal editors, don't stop and say, "Wait, what now? What are you doing?" And the only way these girls are going to get protected is if the press finally gets involved.

You can expect, as with Tuskegee, that the clinician-researchers are never going to understand that they did anything wrong. They think of themselves as good people (most clinicians are), and they forget that good intentions are not enough, especially when careerism causes tunnel vision.

There's a reason Janet Green calls this scene "Tuskegee North." If you're wondering why I sound kind of grumpy in this post, it's because, as an historian, I feel like we should, you know, learn from the past. Instead, we've got Dr. Poppas asking these post-operative little girls, "Can you hear me now?" as he stimulates their now socially "appropriate" clitorises. Well, I'm asking the higher-ups at Cornell's medical school, "Can you hear us now?"
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TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER II > Part IX > § 1374
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/usc_sec_08_00001374----000-.html
§ 1374. Information regarding female genital mutilation

(a) Provision of information regarding female genital mutilation
The Immigration and Naturalization Service (in cooperation with the Department of State) shall make available for all aliens who are issued immigrant or nonimmigrant visas, prior to or at the time of entry into the United States, the following information:

(1) Information on the severe harm to physical and psychological health caused by female genital mutilation which is compiled and presented in a manner which is limited to the practice itself and respectful to the cultural values of the societies in which such practice takes place.

(2) Information concerning potential legal consequences in the United States for

(A) performing female genital mutilation, or

(B) allowing a child under his or her care to be subjected to female genital mutilation, under criminal or child protection statutes or as a form of child abuse.

(b) Limitation

In consultation with the Secretary of State, the Commissioner of Immigration and Naturalization shall identify those countries in which female genital mutilation is commonly practiced and, to the extent practicable, limit the provision of information under subsection (a) of this section to aliens from such countries.

(c) “Female genital mutilation” defined

For purposes of this section, the term “female genital mutilation” means the removal or infibulation (or both) of the whole or part of the clitoris, the labia minora, or labia majora.
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Cornell funds this guy (along with others). Everyone at Cornell knows about it and the entire staff watch the group institutionalized mutilation and rape of the 6 year olds.

But, Cornell Law submits a white paper pushing for Female Genital Mutilation being a basis for political asylum to the US. Amazing that one can escape opression overseas only to wind up at Cornell University Pedaphile Rape Chambers sanctionad by all of the Dr. groups who pushed for Obamacare.

Anyway, here is the white paper:

http://www.lawschool.cornell.edu/research/cornell-law-review/upload/Harivandi-final.pdf
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What are you trying to insinuate here? As part of Obamacare girls are going to have their clitorises removed? Mutilates and rapes...  :-[

Your sensationalization has put me off for today, and your rational for doing it doesn't help. What comes after my post is also enough for me today.

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4And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.
 5But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him

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What are you trying to insinuate here? As part of Obamacare girls are going to have their clitorises removed? Mutilates and rapes...  :-[

Your sensationalization has put me off for today, and your rational for doing it doesn't help. What comes after my post is also enough for me today.

I am not insinuating anything.

I have just cut and pasted the fact that the top urologist for girls at Cornell University mutilates girls genitals and rapes them anually along with other staff members while colleagues, students, residents, and fellows parade around to view the "medical procedures".

I also provide quite substantial evidence that Cornell University, specifically their medical school and staff, for which this institutional rapist is a top member, was instrumental in lying to the public concerning the truth about the recent insurance bailout and eugenics law signed recently.

It is also important to note that a big part of this eugenics law is to streamline costs by using video conferencing doctor examinations (via GE Healthcare, IBM, CISCO documented for at least 20 years as their direction for the future of healthcare in the US) to limit the number of doctors that have to be certified. This allows for  fewer physicians to control the entire set of procedures that are accepted and then mandated to all patients using rules based systems (so if you have a cough, fever, plus X, Y, Z then the mandated treatment is Q).

It stands to reason and is no stretch of the imagination given how fricking insane these nuts are that this guy would be "the expert" regarding the fabricated disease he proports to be treating. If this is too hard for you to grasp, put on the fricking sunglasses and put down the fricking kool aid.



REF:

Health Care Interpreter Network Taps Cisco Technology
http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2006/prod_080706.html

Cisco invests in telemedicine
http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/04/22/448658/cisco-invests-in-telemedicine.html

GlobalMedia TotalExam™ S-Video Examination Camera
http://www.ivci.com/videoconferencing-global-media-total-exam-s-video-examination-camera.html

Cisco says the doctor will see you now, even from 2,800 miles away.
http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_14876388?nclick_check=1

Telehealth Links Doctors To Remote Patients In Need
http://www.computerizedscreening.com/about/news/04-30-2010/telehealth-links-doctors-to-remote-patients-in-need-


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornell_University

Weill Cornell Medical College, often called Weill Cornell, is on the Upper East Side of Manhattan, New York City. It is home to two Cornell divisions, Weill Medical College and Weill Graduate School of Medical Sciences, and has been affiliated with the New York-Presbyterian Hospital since 1927.[29] Although their faculty and academic divisions are separate, the Medical Center shares its administrative functions with the Columbia University Medical Center. Weill Medical College is also affiliated with the neighboring Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center, Rockefeller University, and the Hospital for Special Surgery. Many faculty members have joint appointments at these institutions, and Weill Cornell, Rockefeller, and Memorial Sloan-Kettering offer the Tri-Institutional MD-PhD Program to selected entering Cornell medical students.

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Page 20 of the 2,400 page deathcare bill
(not counting the additional 2,500 pages created in committee which was never voted on yet is considered also part of the law):

‘‘SEC. 2713. COVERAGE OF PREVENTIVE HEALTH SERVICES. ‘‘(a) IN GENERAL.—A group health plan and a health insurance issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage shall, at a minimum provide coverage for and shall not impose any cost sharing requirements for— ‘‘(1) evidence-based items or services that have in effect a rating of ‘A’ or ‘B’ in the current recommendations of the United States Preventive Services Task Force;
‘(2) immunizations that have in effect a recommendation from the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention with respect to the individual involved; and ‘‘(3) with respect to infants, children, and adolescents, evidence-informed preventive care and screenings provided for in the comprehensive guidelines supported by the Health Resources and Services Administration.



National Institute of Health's stand on Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia (CAH)
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000411.htm

A newborn screening test is available for the most common form of congenital adrenal hyperplasia. It can be done on heelstick blood (as part of the routine screenings done on newborns).
[...]
TREATMENT
Girls with male-looking genitals will usually have surgery between ages 1 month - 3 months to correct the abnormal appearance
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If you had a child with this disorder or you have a family history of this disease and you plan to have other children, talk to your health care provider before conceiving. Genetic counseling is important if you have a family history of congenital adrenal hyperplasia.
[W T F ? This is why they are taking DNA from newborns? Will they then send letters for procedures to be done to people based on genetic aggregate assessments? Like notices of a recall for an automobile defect?]
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Prevention
Parents with a family history of congenital adrenal hyperplasia (of any type) or a child who has the condition should consider genetic counseling. Prenatal diagnosis is available for some forms of congenital adrenal hyperplasia. Diagnosis is made in the first trimester by chorionic villus sampling. Diagnosis in the second trimester is made by measuring hormones such as 17-hydroxyprogesterone in the amniotic fluid. A newborn screening test is available for the most common form of congenital adrenal hyperplasia. It can be done on heelstick blood (as part of the routine screenings done on newborns).



Cornell and Dr. Poppas:
http://www.thehastingscenter.org/Bioethicsforum/Post.aspx?id=4730&blogid=140

Tamar-Mattis added that she is “also concerned about whether parents who take their daughters with CAH (congenital adrenal hyperplasia) to Cornell for genital surgery are being given full information about the risks and unknowns of these surgeries.” Indeed, the Web site for the Division of Pediatric Urology at Weill Cornell Medical College, where Dix Poppas serves as chief, reports that disagreement about infant genital surgery and its putative necessity is in the past; the site does not acknowledge that the practice remains controversial among specialist clinicians as well as patient advocates who have called for reform over the last 15 years.

Parents reading the Cornell Web site are also not informed that there is no evidence that having a big clitoris puts a girl at psychosocial risk. On the contrary, the Web site assures parents that plastic surgery performed between three and six months of age “is recommended because female patients are able to undergo a more natural psychological and sexual development.” As Tamar-Mattis points out, the Web site also seems to promise that girls with CAH who undergo genital surgery at Cornell will have normal sexual function.

It says, “Our approach to clitoroplasty leaves the patient with intact clitoral sensation, painless sexual arousal, a viable and sensate glans clitoris, and appropriate erectile function during sexual arousal.”  Risks of nerve damage, incontinence, urinary tract infections, inability to experience orgasm, or many other problems – including psychosocial problems – associated with genital surgery and follow-up receive no mention. According to Tamar-Mattis, “Parents who find out about these risks only after the fact may be very unhappy, and might even have legal claims against the surgeon and the hospital.”

In a recent conversation about this matter with Janet Green, a longtime patient advocate for girls and women with CAH and atypical genitalia, Green captured our own sense of frustration:

“I had hoped this generation of parents would finally be beyond where the last several generations had been – wondering what they had consented to, what they had done to their children, thinking doctors always know best.”




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What are you trying to insinuate here? As part of Obamacare girls are going to have their clitorises removed? Mutilates and rapes...  :-[

Your sensationalization has put me off for today, and your rational for doing it doesn't help. What comes after my post is also enough for me today.


There is a history of women (and girls) being encouraged to be butchered under the guise of medical treatment...unnecessary hysterectomies, unnecessary c-sections, unnecessary sterilizations, mastectomies, unnecessary abortions, unnecessary implants, reductions, tummy tucks, face lifts, etc.  Now this with the very young?  And you got someone upset over Obamacare being picked on and no outrage at what is taking place?  Talk about misdirected anger. I don't think the person even read the whole article.  In my view point one of the articles, in part, sounded like it was commending Obamacare.
A lot of people in their kool-aid driven frenzy block out all other things when they feel their precious Obama is being attacked either real or imagined.


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Obama-care? More Like Cornell-care

Just as Cornell doesn’t tell us what type of coverage to have, what doctors to see, when we can or cannot have care or what to do with Grandma, this bill doesn’t place any barrier between you and your medical care. What it does do is give 32 million people proper medical care where before they had none.

I imagine that once the dust settles from this long, arduous and often outright-ridiculous debate, people will be able to see clearly what this legislation is: A well thought out market-driven solution to the persistent lack of health care coverage among millions of Americans, coupled with the persistent growth of health care costs. Time will make obvious the absurdity of Revelations-like visions of government tyranny and socialism. Meanwhile, we Cornell students should rest assured, knowing that our future won’t be much different from our present: Not only will we continue to have coverage, but it will be consistent, complete and most likely less expensive.
 
   
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WTF - The National Institute of Health published his study!

He is the expert!

Obamacare mandates that the experts decide for all of society!

That is how we keep costs down!



J Urol. 2007 Oct;178(4 Pt 2):1598-601. Epub 2007 Aug 16.
Nerve sparing ventral clitoroplasty: analysis of clitoral sensitivity and viability.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17707043
Yang J, Felsen D, Poppas DP.

Institute for Pediatric Urology, New York Presbyterian Hospital, Weill Medical College of Cornell University, New York, New York 10021, USA.
Abstract

PURPOSE: Enlargement of the clitoris is often a prominent manifestation of virilizing congenital adrenal hyperplasia and other disorders of sexual development. Controversy persists regarding the viability and sensitivity of the clitoris following clitoroplasty. We present 51 consecutive cases of nerve sparing ventral clitoroplasty performed by a single surgeon. MATERIALS AND METHODS: Nerve sparing ventral clitoroplasty was performed in all patients. Postoperative evaluation for clitoral viability included gross examination and capillary perfusion testing. Patients older than 5 years were evaluated for clitoral sensory testing and vibratory sensory testing. RESULTS: A total of 51 patients 4 months to 24 years old (mean age +/- SD 4.6 +/- 6.8 years) with clitorimegaly underwent nerve sparing ventral clitoroplasty.

Of the patients 41 had capillary perfusion testing of the clitoris, of whom all had a viable clitoris.

Ten of the 41 patients underwent clitoral sensory testing.

Patients reported an average degree of sensation of 3.6 +/- 0.9 at the labia minora and 4.8 +/- 0.4 at the clitoris.

Nine of the 10 patients also underwent vibratory sensory testing. Average values for the introitus, clitoris, labia and thigh were 3.56, 1.61, 5.08, and 5.83, respectively. Mean time after surgery for the patients who underwent clitoral sensory testing/vibratory sensory testing was 2.0 +/- 0.8 years. No variations in the sensitivity results were reported at followup in 2 patients. CONCLUSIONS: To our knowledge this is the largest report of followup testing of clitoral viability and sensation after clitoroplasty.

Continued long-term followup is ongoing to document long-term sexual function using this nerve sparing ventral approach for clitoroplasty.

PMID: 17707043 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]





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HE PRESENTED THIS SHIT AT THE WORLD CONGRESS OF SEX DEVELOPMENT IN ROME!!!!!!!!!!!!

HE IS THE EXPERT!



Invited Presentations
Second World Congress on Disorders of Sexual Development and Hypospadias: Lecture: Clitoroplasty in the CAH Patient, Technique and Outcome, Rome Italy, November 2007.

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Yeah, Mengele was an expert too. Nazi camps were lead by "expert" Doctors. Let us not forget that.
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Isn't it amazing how often a vocation is selected solely dependent upon the individuals particular perversion??? especially if it's cloaked in the cover of respectability via a respected field.  It puts them right in the thick of things.  
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"The doctor and patients' parents allegedly believe that the girls' clitorises are too large and create too much sensation."

Or, it's a gift.
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His name is DIX POPPAS!?
SERIOUSLY!  :o  :-X
You just can't make this stuff up.

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"The doctor and patients' parents allegedly believe that the girls' clitorises are too large and create too much sensation."
Or, it's a gift.

The "patients" and their "parents",  I will assume are from Africa/Middle East... want to continue their "tribal" customs here in america and now they have the good doktor at Cornell to help them along.... - So where are the Cornell "feminists" when you need them?

http://www.feminist.com/resources/artspeech/inter/fgm.htm

Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) by Fran P. Hosken
150 MILLION GIRLS AND WOMEN MUTILATED IN AFRICA-MIDDLE EAST
The number of mutilated women and girls in Africa and the Middle East is increasing steadily due to population growth, according to the latest estimates published by WIN NEWS. But internationally financed population, health and safe motherhood programs ignore Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) and have failed to implement effective preventive education.

The mutilation most often performed is Clitoridectomy or Excision - cutting off, without anesthetic, the clitoris and most of the external genitalia. This is practiced in a broad area from the Red Sea to the Atlantic Coast. The most dangerous operation, Infibulation or Pharaonic Circumcision, is customary in Sudan, Somalia, Northern Kenya, parts of Ethiopia and all along the Red Sea Coasts as well as in West Africa in parts of Mali and adjoining areas. After the clitoris is excised and all external genitalia are carved away, the bleeding raw edges of the large lips are held together by thorns or other fastening devices - until a scar forms to close the entrance to the vagina. The legs of the little girl are tied together for several weeks until the wound heals; a tiny opening is created by inserting a splinter of wood - to allow urination. Thus virginity - which is considered especially important by Moslem men - can be proven before the bride price is paid to the father.

These dangerous operations result in permanent health damage: hemorrhage and shock, which may be fatal; many infections including tetanus, scarring which obstructs normal childbirth and may result in death of both mother and baby; infertility due to infections. The operations are performed on children only a few days old up to puberty - depending on the ethnic groups. They cause urinary and menstrual problems, frigidity, painful intercourse and obstructed labor: the highest childbirth mortality is recorded in areas where FGM is practiced.

FGM has been cited by WHO (World Health Organization) as a major public health problem. At the WHO Seminar in Khartoum on Traditional Practices Affecting the Health of Women and Children (1979), the nine African and Middle Eastern countries which participated formulated four ground-breaking recommendations for abolishing FGM, urging that health education and health training programs should be organized. Fran P. Hosken, who was temporary advisor on FGM to the WHO Seminar documents in The Hosken Report:

Genital and Sexual Mutilation of Females case histories from most African countries where FGM is practiced, including the South of the Arab Peninsula. In Malaysia and Indonesia a less drastic operation is performed by some Moslem population groups.
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As reported in WIN NEWS, immigrants from Africa/Middle East continue to perform the mutilations on their daughters in Europe, North America or wherever they go; in France several little girls from West Africa died as a result of mutilations done in Paris. In England, special legislation was passed to prohibit FGM and education programs were publicly funded. Most European countries have taken steps to prevent FGM which is classified as criminal child abuse in most of the world and cited as a human rights violation.

In Canada, FGM is prohibited under child abuse laws.

In 1993 special legislation to prohibit FGM in the US was introduced in Congress.

Women's International Network is distributing free CBPBs to local Community and Women's Groups, Clinics, Midwifery Schools and Training Programs all over Africa to all who are willing to work for the eradication of FGM. This successful grass roots program, which is regularly reported in WIN NEWS, urgently needs sponsors and support. Contributions to WIN are tax-deductible in the USA.


http://www.members.tripod.com/~Wolvesdreams/FGM.html
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Female Genital Mutilation is the term used for removal of all or just part of the external parts of the female genitalia. There are three varieties to this procedure.
Sunna Circumcision - consists of the removal of the prepuce(retractable fold of skin, or hood) and /or the tip of the clitoris. Sunna in Arabic means "tradition".
Clitoridectomy - consists of the removal of the entire clitoris (prepuce and glands) and the removal of the adjacent labia.
Infibulation(pharonic circumcision)-- consists of performing a clitoridectomy (removal of all or part of the labia minora, the labia majora). This is then stitched up allowing a small hole to remain open to allow for urine and menstrual blood to flow through.
 
In Africa 85% of FGM cases consist of Clitoridectomy and 15% of cases consist of Infibulation. In some cases only the hood is removed.
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Is this practice a cultural or religious practice?

In an FGM society, a girl can not be considered to be an adult until she has undergone this procedure. As well as in most cultures a women can not marry with out FGM. The type of procedure used will vary with certain conditions and these conditions could include the females ethic group, the country they live in, rural or urban areas, as well as their socioeconomic provenance.
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In countries where Muslim's practices FGM, they can justify it, in the words of the Prophet Mohammed, in these two controversial sayings that are found in the Sunnah (words and actions of Mohammed)
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There is an estimated 135 million girls and women that have gone through this procedure with an additional 2 million a year at risk. This procedure is practiced in Africa (28 countries), Middle East, parts of Asia as well as in North America, Latin America, and as well as in Europe. It is now believed that the practice originated in Africa and is a cultural practice.

http://home.earthlink.net/~teriroberts/
FEMALE GENITAL MUTILATION AND THE UNITED NATIONS:: A CASE STUDY OF INTERNATIONAL SOCIALIZATION

http://www.religioustolerance.org/fem_cira.htm
Female Genital Mutilation in North America & Europe
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In the West, the procedure is outlawed in

"Australia (six states), Burkina Faso, Canada, Central African Republic, Côte d’Ivoire, Djibouti, Ghana, Guinea, New Zealand, Nigeria (3 states), Norway, Senegal, Sweden, Tanzania, Togo, the United Kingdom, and the United States.
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US:

After 20 years of personal effort, Representative Patricia Schroeder (D-CO) saw a US federal bill, "Federal Prohibition of Female Genital Mutilation Act of 1995"  passed in 1996-SEP.
The bill had been introduced by Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nevada). 3

The law provides for prison sentences of up to 5 years for anyone who "circumcises, excises, or infibulates the whole or any part of the labia majora or labia minora or clitoris of another person who has not attained the age of 18."

US representatives to the World Bank and similar financial institutions are required to oppose loans to countries where FGM is prevalent and in which there are no anti-FGM educational programs. The law took effect on 1997-MAR-30. The first charges under the law were made in late 2003 when a California couples was arrested in a FBI sting operation allegedly after having agreed to perform a FGM procedure on two fictitious girls. 5

FGM has also been criminalized at the state level in California, Minnesota, North Dakota, Rhode Island, and Tennessee, and other states. At least one FGM assistance, education and support group is operating in the U.S. among immigrants from countries that practice FGM. 1

Specialists in Denver, CO, reported in 1998 that at least  6,000 immigrants have settled in the area from African countries which widely practice FGM. 2  Dr. Terry Dunn, director of a women’s clinic in that city commented: "I know of one patient where it was clear it was performed in this country." About 4 FGM cases are seen each year at the clinic.

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This is evil, arrogant and selfish men enforcing their own doctrine on others, for purposes of power and prestige. Sick beyond belief.
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This is evil, arrogant and selfish men enforcing their own doctrine on others, for purposes of power and prestige. Sick beyond belief.

Shouldn't this guy and his partners be in jail? :

US federal bill, "Federal Prohibition of Female Genital Mutilation Act of 1995"  passed in 1996-SEP. The bill had been introduced by Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nevada). 3

The law provides for prison sentences of up to 5 years for anyone who "circumcises, excises, or infibulates the whole or any part of the labia majora or labia minora or clitoris of another person who has not attained the age of 18."

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Shouldn't this guy and his partners be in jail? :

US federal bill, "Federal Prohibition of Female Genital Mutilation Act of 1995"  passed in 1996-SEP. The bill had been introduced by Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nevada). 3

The law provides for prison sentences of up to 5 years for anyone who "circumcises, excises, or infibulates the whole or any part of the labia majora or labia minora or clitoris of another person who has not attained the age of 18."


Yes!
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Yes!

But for Herr Doktor, it's a "procedure" , and we must help these poor children.
Its for the children you see, that we do these procedures.....

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OMFG!!
What is wrong with these sick people !
For gods sake i cannot imagine how a parent could sit there and let them do this !!!

sick f**ks!

:(

I was told that it is common practice in the UK for women undergoing gynae surgery to have "students" practice on them with speculums etc . . .
Bad enough in women,
But doing this to kids is just flat out wrong !
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>>The program is, quite simply, a mandate. Have health insurance? Good. Don’t have it? Buy ours. Can’t afford it? Apply for financial aid.<<

 They may as well have the school knock them out plug them into a grid and use the suckers for electricity. They are basically trained how to be unsustainable strange disfunctional management.

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WE ALSO SUPPORT THE PRACTICE IN OUR OCCUPIED COUNTRIES !!

“They Took Me and Told Me Nothing”

Female Genital Mutilation in Iraqi Kurdistan



Full Report by Human Rights Watch

http://www.hrw.org/en/reports/2010/06/16/they-took-me-and-told-me-nothing


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HRW, June 16, 2010

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Both males and females should be protected from this kind of practice - its a violation of their bodily integrity for no good reason and a violation of their right to choose on non-essential "procedures". Sadly there seems to be a double standard with the majority of complaints along these lines...

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Both males and females should be protected from this kind of practice - its a violation of their bodily integrity for no good reason and a violation of their right to choose on non-essential "procedures". Sadly there seems to be a double standard with the majority of complaints along these lines...

Double standard? This guy mutilates female genitals and then on a yearly basis rapes the girl while staff also rape her. And the students, residents, and fellows parade around the room while the doctor and nurses are committing these sexual abuses on a yearly basis. Then he writes about it and gives lectures internationally on taxpayer funds to promote the mutilating and raping of children in front of their parents and staff members. But if you want to equate this to male circumcision which has been the CoIntelPro method of obfuscating every rational dialog concerning female genitalia mutilation for the past 10+ years, please do it in the off-topic area. It really is beyond absurd.

This guy performs experimental torture, mutilation surgeries on infants and then rapes them to see if the experiment worked and then brags about it internationally to get more funding. How he is not in jail is beyond me.
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But if you want to equate this to male circumcision which has been the CoIntelPro method of obfuscating every rational dialog concerning female genitalia mutilation for the past 10+ years, please do it in the off-topic area. It really is beyond absurd.

Well excuse me for desiring equal rights...what is cointelpro about that? As has been pointed out, there is already a law here that Cornell and co. should be prosecuted under. Why are you suggesting that male circumcision is somehow different in its aim or even for the most part its effects? (when compared to female clitoral snipping etc)

Edit: It is interesting how much the two overlap in occurence, certainly in developing countries...

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freedom-commonsense - i agree male circumscision is un-necessary - but it is not the same as female genital mutilation.

to get a true paralel (anatomically speaking) you would have to remove chunks of the glans

removing the for-skin does not diminish sexual sensation for the male. chopping of half a clitorus would i am sure diminish sexual sensation - in addition having this mind warped quack poking around a childs private regions is probably going to mess these kids up mentally too.
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freedom-commonsense - i agree male circumscision is un-necessary - but it is not the same as female genital mutilation.

to get a true paralel (anatomically speaking) you would have to remove chunks of the glans

removing the for-skin does not diminish sexual sensation for the male. chopping of half a clitorus would i am sure diminish sexual sensation - in addition having this mind warped quack poking around a childs private regions is probably going to mess these kids up mentally too.

It would be like the doctor and nurses performing manual stimulation on the child-victim and also using some robotic stimulation device on the victim's genitalia annually in front  of the entire Cornell medical staff, residents, students, fellows to verify the circumcision did not diminish his sexual sensation. Then having this "expert" write papers that are published by the National Institute of Health (to be used as the "standard" for diagnosis, prevention, treatment, and follow-up) and going on international speaking engagements promoting these followup to other nutcases who will cheer the idea on the taxpayer's account.

HOW ARE THESE PEOPLE NOT IN JAIL!
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Honestly - i really have no clue how he is not in prison.
Probably because the  parents give consent

WHY they do that i do not know - if i seen anyone edging toward my daughter with a vibrator - ear bud or anything else i would snap their neck.

 
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Honestly - i really have no clue how he is not in prison.
Probably because the  parents give consent

WHY they do that i do not know - if i seen anyone edging toward my daughter with a vibrator - ear bud or anything else i would snap their neck.

 

Parents have no right to give consent to having their child raped. All that does is make them a co-conspirator to the crime.
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I think so ! There has to be some level of just knowing this is wrong and not doing it - is he some kinda paedophile or what?
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I think so ! There has to be some level of just knowing this is wrong and not doing it - is he some kinda paedophile or what?

The whole system seems to be creating a padophile institution. This guy is Cornell's finest. Cornell is promoting this shit. The National Institute of Health is promoting this. The Eugenics Bill promotes this shit. This ain't just one guy, this is institutionalized rape of morality, humanity, and many individuals.
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